DO these people know anything about Gene Roddenberry?

Good commentary.

I think the real divide between conservative and liberal/socialist thinking is that conservatism is the ideology of adults. Adults want to be free and left alone. Liberalism is the ideology of children who want to be taken care of.

Liberalism only thrives when there is ignorance and immaturity.

What an adult may look like:

Yeah... here's an episode that had some conservative ideas

But Kirk broke the Prime Directive and mucked about with every government he...wait a second...maybe they're right?

kronicfeld: What an adult may look like:

Yore?

Obvious troll is obvious.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Yeah... here's an episode that had some conservative ideas
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I'd go with the Roman Episode. But limiting it to TOS leaves out their real heroes, the Ferengi.

Aarontology: DO these people know anything about Gene Roddenberry?

Why should Roddenberry be treated differently than anything else?

FloydA: Aarontology: DO these people know anything about Gene Roddenberry?

Why should Roddenberry be treated differently than anything else?

Facts get in way and slow things down.

GAT_00: Hell yeah, Star Trek was the epitome of conservative values! No money, a society that lived under the idea of 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs,' a single world government...

It's Republican utopia!

And Spock, who was half-human, half-vulcan, promoted the idea of races getting along and even mixing, and adhering to logic, science, and education as the basis of their culture.

That's what the Republican party stands for!

This is laughable, as the national socialist Nazis were everything the left claims to love

Socialist! It's right there in the name. It must be true!

Just like conservatives like to conserve and are very fond of conversation which is why they so vehemently oppose drilling in Alaska (for example).

Is that the one where Kirk and Spock go down to that planet and make the rulers cut taxes on the wealthy? I loved that one.

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Is that the one where Kirk and Spock go down to that planet and make the rulers cut taxes on the wealthy? I loved that one.

I like the one where they mandate school prayer.

You just know Kirk and Spock were Evangelicals.

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Is that the one where Kirk and Spock go down to that planet and make the rulers cut taxes on the wealthy? I loved that one.

Still wrong show. TNG, the Prime Directive says fark'em, let them die.

The author demonstrates a shocking lack of understand of what liberals believe...

I believe this is the second or third time I've said this about a conservative op-ed in a week or so.

NewportBarGuy: kronicfeld: What an adult may look like:

Yore?

Obvious troll is obvious.

And the crossbar on the zed. Real Americans don't slashie their zees.

Remember when Kirk fought that Gorn with a makeshift mortar?

The Gorn represents Lyndon Johnson's failures as an American leader.

Shostie: Remember when Kirk fought that Gorn with a makeshift mortar?

The Gorn represents Lyndon Johnson's failures as an American leader.

Dude, I think you just lost 75% of Fark there. Yeah, I was there and marching.

On its surface, you might think a story about Nazis is left wing. After all, Hollywood wants you to believe the Nazis were a right-wing phenomenon equivalent to Libertarianism/ Conservatism. This is laughable, as the national socialist Nazis were everything the left claims to love. Yet, many people still ignorantly accept the idea the Nazis were rightists rather than leftists because that's what they've been taught by leftist teachers. So it shouldn't surprise us if a show about Nazis was meant as an attack on conservatives.



It is a unique variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism.[5] Nazism was founded out of elements of the far-right racist völkisch German nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany.[6] The ideology was developed first by Anton Drexler and then Adolf Hitler as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[7] Initially Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, though such aspects were later downplayed in the 1930s to gain the support from industrial owners for the Nazis; focus was shifted to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes.[8]

the nazi's are farkING FAR RIGHT FASCISTS >.....

the fact that the RIGHT is trying to rebrand the nazi's as being LEFTIST??? WTF

I commented on the site and I'm up to -6!

Mugato: I commented on the site and I'm up to -6!

Meaning that you've pissed off a few zealots,I hope?

The Enterprise was always bombing third-world planets in pre-emptive strikes to facilitate regime change.

federation clearly had money.
the episodes where they pretended they didnt have money were non canonical

how do you trade with aliens?
trade always includes the concept of currency, real or fiat
dilithium crystals were rare and valuable therefore "money" existed

dont get me started about STNG
it is impossible or SILLY to play poker without currency
I RAISE INFINITY !!!

you can not bluff so no one would ever fold so all hands would basically be pure random with no skill.
no risk of losing something of value = everyone stays in to the end ....

playing for chips is "fine" but you still have nothing to lose

and if they are playing for say "watch chit", that becomes the currency.
you lose, you do their work ....

bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

namatad: federation clearly had money.
the episodes where they pretended they didnt have money were non canonical

how do you trade with aliens?
trade always includes the concept of currency, real or fiat
dilithium crystals were rare and valuable therefore "money" existed

dont get me started about STNG
it is impossible or SILLY to play poker without currency
I RAISE INFINITY !!!

you can not bluff so no one would ever fold so all hands would basically be pure random with no skill.
no risk of losing something of value = everyone stays in to the end ....

playing for chips is "fine" but you still have nothing to lose

and if they are playing for say "watch chit", that becomes the currency.
you lose, you do their work ....

bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

The federation ran off of energy credits, or something similar.

However, no one wanted for food, shelter, or any other basic needs. So, they were free to expand their minds and follow their dreams in the great Federation Republican Utopia that all began when President Newt took us to the MOON!

Tor_Eckman: "A lot has changed in the past 300 years. People are no longer obsessed with the accumulation of things. We've eliminated hunger, want, the need for possessions. We've grown out of our infancy."
- Picard to Ralph Offenhouse, a 20th century financier revived from cryogenic stasis.

That's the episode I was thinking of.

What is more conservative that Nazi revisionism?

NewportBarGuy: kronicfeld: What an adult may look like:

Yore?

Obvious troll is obvious.

You missed "goverment."

Liberals desire powerful government. They believe that even totalitarian regimes can be good so long as they are run benignly. Indeed, you'll often hear liberals suggest that we should suspend things like rule of law and free elections or give the state tremendous power so it can achieve some supposedly noble goal that can't be achieved the legal way.

Man this is some serious projection. Someone with a degree in psychiatry should just write papers on Breitbart.

So first part Liberals desire powerful government. I guess the use of the word powerful can be ambiguous but I am reminded about how Bush Jr was very keen on expanding the role of government; making it more invasive, increasing its scope, so on.

They believe that even totalitarian regimes can be good so long as they are run benignly.

No, that much more closely aligns with republicans of late who were perfectly fine with Bush increasing the power of the oval office based on his "christian" leanings.

Indeed, you'll often hear liberals suggest that we should suspend things like rule of law and free elections or give the state tremendous power so it can achieve some supposedly noble goal that can't be achieved the legal way.

I can't say I have heard of liberals calling for suspension of the rule of law or free elections. Republicans during the Bush Jr administration seemed quite content with it though. Anyone recall phillip atkiss I think it was saying that Bush should become dictator for life? What about the article calling for a military coup against obama and a military junta running the country? Any of this or other similar proposals come to mind?

namatad: federation clearly had money.
the episodes where they pretended they didnt have money were non canonical

how do you trade with aliens?
trade always includes the concept of currency, real or fiat
dilithium crystals were rare and valuable therefore "money" existed

dont get me started about STNG
it is impossible or SILLY to play poker without currency
I RAISE INFINITY !!!

you can not bluff so no one would ever fold so all hands would basically be pure random with no skill.
no risk of losing something of value = everyone stays in to the end ....

playing for chips is "fine" but you still have nothing to lose

and if they are playing for say "watch chit", that becomes the currency.
you lose, you do their work ....

bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Oh you know Riker was always wanting to play strip poker. There's all sorts of other stakes you can have in the TNG era. Being forced to shave your beaed for two years, having to wear the male uniform with the skirt, etc.