Is this really a fight you want to pick, R-tards? Really?

In case you haven't noticed, many women are sexually active, and the really like birth control.

Fark it - it's your funeral.

RIP GOP

Let's just hope that Catholics and the Pope, don't exercise their authority to legislate health care insurance policy.

I would love to see the Catholic church throw its wait around in a futile attempt to change decision based on women's health. It will give Americans pause before electing a devote Catholic (or a Mormon) for that matter.

Lionel Mandrake: Is this really a fight you want to pick, R-tards? Really?

In case you haven't noticed, many women are sexually active, and the really like birth control.

Fark it - it's your funeral.

RIP GOP

America needs a good old pussy strike. American women: I hereby call on you to stop having any form of sex with your Republican boyfriend, husband or pervy church leader. If you are simply a beard for your closeted Republican companion, force your vagina on him as much as possible.

Do it right and the US will become so socially left, it could join the EU. Or become something like Iran. It could go either way I suppose.

The Obama administration issued a declaration on Jan. 20 that religious institutions, such as Catholic hospitals and universities, would be required to offer free birth control to employees as a health care benefit.



here's the thing - most american catholics ignore the church's rulings on birth control. they don't talk about it much, and i'm sure they secretly approve of this health care provision. And I think that's really what's got the clergy pissed off. Obama hit a nerve with the Church leadership, and kinda just blundered into what's been a quiet sort of cold war between Church doctrine and reality.

So of course the Church is gonna hit the roof over this. it's something they started off being very touchy about. Especially when the rank and file here in the states don't really grok to Church doctrine on birth control. At best, most sexually active catholics pretend to follow the rules, but in reality most use birth control and don't really consider it a sin no matter what the Pope says on the matter.

So, where are the people who were so terrified of Kennedy becoming President because they feared Rome would dictate policy? The Catholic Church is demanding that we adapt to their antiquated, bullshiat oppressive rules. How the fark is the religious right not screaming this one down? They want the Catholic Church dictating US policy?

Pates, who was recently elected chairman of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops' office for International Peace and Justice, which, among other things, works to promote religious liberty around the globe. "We need to take this out of the political sphere. This is a human rights issue that is not intended to be politically aligned one way or the other."

Religious liberty, as long as you agree with them, otherwise you're oppressing them by giving people the option to use birth control. But yes, because you're raising hell about this, it's the President's fault that this is in the political sphere, not your fault for putting it there. And it is a human rights issue: you're trying to take away human rights!

Just...ugh. Someone needs to, at minimum, punch this guy in the dick.

GAT_00: They want the Catholic Church dictating US policy?

At this point, I think the various theocrat factions within the religious right (here in the US I mean) are united against Obama and what they see as the 'demon lefties'. so they're not going to break ranks UNTIL they get Obama out of office, and sweep as many Democrats, libruls and enemies out of office as they can manage.

Once that's done, then you'll see fractures along doctrinal lines.

Raharu: GAT_00: So, where are the people who were so terrified of Kennedy becoming President because they feared Rome would dictate policy? The Catholic Church is demanding that we adapt to their antiquated, bullshiat oppressive rules. How the fark is the religious right not screaming this one down? They want the Catholic Church dictating US policy?

To be fair, if I recall Kennedy did give a very public speech on the matter saying he does not and would not bow to the pope.

I don't remember Santorum or Rmoney doing the same for their respective religions.

They give speeches every day that, if they were Catholic, would promise to bow to the Pope.

Raharu: I don't remember Santorum or Rmoney doing the same for their respective religions.

Santorum is openly campaigning on a christian dominionist ticket. Romney and Perry seem a bit more circumspect on the issue...but only just barely.

mrshowrules: Lionel Mandrake: Is this really a fight you want to pick, R-tards? Really?

In case you haven't noticed, many women are sexually active, and the really like birth control.

Fark it - it's your funeral.

RIP GOP

America needs a good old pussy strike. American women: I hereby call on you to stop having any form of sex with your Republican boyfriend, husband or pervy church leader. If you are simply a beard for your closeted Republican companion, force your vagina on him as much as possible..

If only there were some historical example to draw upon...

It's not intolerance, or otherwise unacceptable, for the government to make it easy for someone to do something 'immoral'. If that were the case, the government could do absolutely nothing. Because every action, in someone's eyes, is immoral.

Blathering Idjut: I think that could be it but more likely in was a cynical and political move by the church leadership to take the focus off of recent positive jobs report and keep the culture war burning.

That's not really going to work, though. The simply don't have the voters to win a culture war.

Catholics are still pissed at Obama. Apparently, they won't be satisfied until they nail him to the wall cross.

FTFY obvious but still needed sayin'. GREAT title!
Hawaiian on a stick! Come on, pay some taxes on those Golden Palaces,Swiss accounts and Child molest....er....daycare centers!!! Business is business!! Same for you Big Universities what say you kick in a little more? Last but not least you 1-2%'ers. Patriots or greedy sniveling little toadies! What say you?

I thought so....
Toadies! And you are even trying to elect one! Man you must be proud to be leading us down that road. Fasten your seatbelt...it's going to get bumpy!

hillbillypharmacist: It's not intolerance, or otherwise unacceptable, for the government to make it easy for someone to do something 'immoral'. If that were the case, the government could do absolutely nothing. Because every action, in someone's eyes, is immoral.

Indeed, every action and the opposite action is immoral.

Gay sex is pretty consistently immoral except it is perfectly cool to hang out exclusively with men and rub each other's feet with expensive oils. Touch their peener and you've definitely crossed a line (unless it is a for the purpose of torture and then there is some latitude in certain religions).

I can't wait for the general election, to have a 60+ year old white guy campaigning against birth control.

Hey remember when the group that covered up child rape for centuries tried to dictate to the American people what kind of birth control they should use?

Blathering Idjut: I think that could be it but more likely in was a cynical and political move by the church leadership to take the focus off of recent positive jobs report and keep the culture war burning.

also possible...and not mutually exclusive of my earlier point. it's very possible that a bit of both situations could be occuring here. God knows, the Church isn't above a bit of politics every now and then. they've been around for centuries, and they know their way around the public relations scene better than most.

what_now: Hey remember when the group that covered up child rape for centuries tried to dictate to the American people what kind of birth control they should use?

you don't even have to go that far. the Church is very much aware that the majority of US catholics don't follow Church doctrine regarding the use of birth control technologies.

9beers: No wonder so many people accuse Obama of pushing socialism.

I wish he would. If we had socialized health care, this wouldn't be an issue because we wouldn't have employer based health insurance.

what_now: Hey remember when the group that covered up child rape for centuries tried to dictate to the American people what kind of birth control they should use?

Thanks to the plank in their eyes, they're blind to everything but the speck in ours.

9beers: Employers have the right to choose the health care that they provide to their employees. Employees have the right to find employment that provides the health benefits they need. The farking government needs to stay the fark out of it. No wonder so many people accuse Obama of pushing socialism.

did you know that we could completely fund a single payer health care plan in this country and STILL not exceed the money we spent on Iraq and Afghanistan?

bombs or health care - and we keep choosing bombs. i'm wondering if that's the right choice....

9beers: Employers have the right to choose the health care that they provide to their employees

Really? Can you cite to me the part of the constitution that that "right" is enumerated in? Thanks.

Weaver95: what_now: Hey remember when the group that covered up child rape for centuries tried to dictate to the American people what kind of birth control they should use?

you don't even have to go that far. the Church is very much aware that the majority of US catholics don't follow Church doctrine regarding the use of birth control technologies.

But...I do.

Human beings are not meant to be celibate, and the celibacy clause came about as a way to keep priests from leaving wealth to their families. The result of a LIFETIME of sexual frustration will inevitably lead to a portion of these people taking sexual advantage of the weakest people they can find.

Weaver95: The Obama administration issued a declaration on Jan. 20 that religious institutions, such as Catholic hospitals and universities, would be required to offer free birth control to employees as a health care benefit.



here's the thing - most american catholics ignore the church's rulings on birth control. they don't talk about it much, and i'm sure they secretly approve of this health care provision. And I think that's really what's got the clergy pissed off. Obama hit a nerve with the Church leadership, and kinda just blundered into what's been a quiet sort of cold war between Church doctrine and reality.

So of course the Church is gonna hit the roof over this. it's something they started off being very touchy about. Especially when the rank and file here in the states don't really grok to Church doctrine on birth control. At best, most sexually active catholics pretend to follow the rules, but in reality most use birth control and don't really consider it a sin no matter what the Pope says on the matter.

Yeah, that's it right there. I remember growing up in a Catholic family, even back in the 60's, there was this weird division of Catholics in our churches. There were the New World Catholics and the Old World Catholics. We second, third and fourth generation Irish, Italian, and other European Catholics looked at our first generation relatives and neighbors as kind of quaint relics. They were the ones who still put ashes on their foreheads on Ash Wednesday, pinned palm crosses above the doorways on Palm Sunday, and wore kerchiefs on their heads during Mass. They still believed in the infallibility of the Pope, even though there were cracks in the plaster even among them. The rest of us didn't really take much of it seriously at all. Most of the old timers knew better than to really push the issue.

The funny thing was the influx of a new phenomenon - Third World Catholics. During the 60's, we saw large groups of Latin Americans moving into our cities, and these Catholics were much more hardcore than the Old World Catholics. Of course, rather than embrace them, the Old World Catholics segregated them into their own churches with masses in Spanish. So as the Old World Catholics died out, the gap between official Catholic teaching and actual Catholic practice became something best not spoken of. Now, I think most European descent American Catholics are of the Stephen Colbert variety.

9beers: Employers have the right to choose the health care that they provide to their employees. Employees have the right to find employment that provides the health benefits they need. The farking government needs to stay the fark out of it. No wonder so many people accuse Obama of pushing socialism.

...says the guy who doesn't understand the words he uses.

Master of the Flying Guillotine: To be fair, the Catholic higher-ups don't think much about contraception for women since they're busy raping the shiat out of underage boys.

/obvious joke is obvious

Obvious but also something that they should be reminded of at every turn. The head of the Catholic Church literally facilitated the rape of young boys left in their care. I really can't see how they could possibly ever take the moral high ground on any subject ever again. They have a very short window to replace this Pope before he dies. That's a minimum but there is much more they need to do otherwise the Church should die with this Pope.

Whenever anyone takes a moral position on anything, the first question should be: "Did you every facilitate the rape of children?" If the answer is "yes", you should be able to kick them in the teeth and send them on their way.

/Roman Catholic who was confirmed by a Cardinal (never been molested/raped myself but this problem was rampant in Canada especially with kids whose lives were already a mess). It has been going on for hundreds of years with the support/facilitation of the Vatican.