So the NRA is starting the long downhill slide into MADD-style lack-of-purpose crazy? How...unexpected?

Must be membership drive time at the NRA. Those guys are worse than public TV.

Hey look, Republicans are saying for the 700th time that he's going to take your guns, never mind that there has never been a hint of movement towards it, he didn't campaign on it, and gun rights have INCREASED under this President.

I guess they figure if Walker decided to fark his own state in the ass for something he didn't campaign on, everyone is as dishonest as he is and so he must be going to take the guns.

i heard Obama's going to send the black panthers to the home of every gun owner. They're going to take away the guns first. Then they'll take everything of value to give to black people and other minorities. Then they'll steal away the women, for use in whatever they want. And I do mean whatever.

that includes housework.

That's what Obama's been waiting to do ever since he got elected.

Stupid Moonies. Obama's done more for gun owners' rights than any president in the last... jeeze... how many years? 30? 50? 70?

Yes, I'm sure he has lots of evidence to back this assertion up, too.

Or maybe he's just crazily talking out of his ass in order to spark up fear among his organization.

NewportBarGuy: Is it time to increase the price of ammo because the sheep will be led to hoarding again? Oh, great.

well.. there was this, too.

A government report says that US forces are now using 1.8 billion rounds of small-arms ammunition a year

Thats so much, that the US has to import small arms.

Party Boy: to import small arms + ammunition.
/the good 'ol American unload.

oldernell: CapnBlues: i heard Obama's going to send the black panthers to the home of every gun owner. They're going to take away the guns first. Then they'll take everything of value to give to black people and other minorities. Then they'll steal away the women, for use in whatever they want. And I do mean whatever.

Is there a number 6 dance afterwards?

i don't know what that means. but if it's something bigoted and paranoid, you can be pretty sure the NRA thinks it's going to happen.

oldernell: CapnBlues: i don't know what that means

Blazing Saddles reference. Humorous.

i'm ashamed of myself. i should know better. :)

So, what's the cash value of the prize they give away to biggest DERP at CPAC?

hiiii. my name is waaaayne lapierre. i'm a gun guy.

bangbang!

If you can't trust a paper run by an old Korean man who claims to be the Messiah, what, I ask you, can you trust?

Herpity derpity doo.

They've been saying this since 2008, and it never happened. If Obama is anti-gun, he's keeping it to himself.

If Obama takes away their guns, they'll only have their religion to cling to!

I heard that Obama is working with the UN to build concentration camps for white men.

/True story

So by this line of reasoning, is it correct to assume that since I am not a gun owner and never have been, Obama took my guns?

Whar @nd?!?!!!!!

Best part?????!!1!!?!?!?!

Lionel Mandrake: Wayne LaPierre is fkng insane.

That is all.

I think he's an attention whore. The NRA is growing irrelevant, it's getting harder and harder to tag Democrats as "anti-gun" which means other bat shiat crazy Republican causes (he wishes he could have a SGK level scandal about now) are getting more attention these days. This is just a desperate plea for somebody to pay attention to them, and shovel a boat load of cash into their bank account.

If it isn't Obama grabbing guns...someone else will. Actually, people like DNC Head/Pube Head Debbie WantsToBeAMan Schultz are bigger threats to the 2d Amendment than Obama

Even GOP is not far removed in the issue....NJ Governor Chris Christie is a gun-grabber....which is why he will never be elected President.

VictoryCabal: So the NRA is starting the long downhill slide into MADD-style lack-of-purpose crazy? How...unexpected?

Starting? The NRA leadership has been bonkers for a couple decades. The rank and file are usually fine folk (surrogate penis collectors notwithstanding) and the org does a great job training and promoting gun safety but the brass are paranoid, conservative wackos who've turned their club into a Republican propaganda outlet.

cling

The NRA is known to have poor reasoning skills.

October 7, 1993--Associated Press

GUNS IN THE HOME FOUND TO INCREASE RISK OF DEATH.

People who keep guns at home nearly triple their chances of being murdered, usually by friends or relatives, but fail to protect themselves from intruders... However, Paul Blackman, research coordinator at the National Rifle Association, criticized the study... ``These people were highly susceptible to homicide,'' he said. ``We know that because they were killed.''

sendtodave: If Obama takes away their guns, they'll only have their religion to cling to!

He's been chipping away at the first amendment, by mid-term he may have successfully transferred most lay activities of churches to the State by closing them down.

Yawn. 0/10, NRA.

We get it. He's black.

robmilmel: They said the same shiat 4 years ago. And 3...and 2...last year...last month.

Gun-nuts said the exact same thing for eight solid years of Clinton, too. Remember?

"HE'S GONNA TRY TO TAKE OUR GUNS!!!1!"

PanicMan: Yawn. 0/10, NRA.

No, this time for realsy!

/better stock up on ammo and guns, btw feel free to click on our sponsors links they have a sale going on right now!!

CapnBlues: i heard Obama's going to send the black panthers to the home of every gun owner. They're going to take away the guns first. Then they'll take everything of value to give to black people and other minorities. Then they'll steal away the women, for use in whatever they want. And I do mean whatever.

that includes housework.

That's what Obama's been waiting to do ever since he got elected.

Just in case you or somebody else doesn't know what the Turner Diaries is...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_Diaries

For those that can't be bothered: Book by white supremacist in which the scenario described by Capn comes true more or less. Race wars and such. The white people win of course and kick all the non-whites out of their new formed country which consists of some western-south western states... Except the Jews of course, they just kill them.

I made an effort at one time to read all controversial books and I don't mean things like Harry Potter that somebody wants thrown out of the library for witch craft. Communist Manifesto, Mein Kampf, Turner Diaries, ect ect.

Know your enemies.

As to the topic at hand. Obama would like nothing more than to completely do away with the second amendment and outlaw the ownership of guns and while his administration mulls over how to go about that from time to time and the UN would dearly love to help him with that somehow there's no real way to do it legally since liberals haven't managed to find a "make shait up that isn't in there" reason in the Constitution after their "only the militia" nonsense was shut down completely.

From everything I've seen from Obama so far, I think his contempt for "clinging to guns and religion" people (and yes, the Freepers are right, he was contemptuous) would lead him to absolutely do nothing to change gun laws. It doesn't strike me as the kind of culture war he cares to ignite.

And it's a waste of political capital in America to even touch the issue. Look how much mileage the NRA gets from literally nothing but fear. Obama isn't Clinton, and this isn't the 1990s. He has different priorities.

Mr_Fabulous: Once again... There is 0.0% chance that I will ever click on any link to a propaganda sheet published by the Unification Church of the Rev. Sun Myung-Moon (aka, "the moonies").

Furthermore, the mod/mins of Fark.com disgrace themselves and cheapen their brand every time they greenlight this unspeakable horseshiat.

I don't click links to that crap either, but I think you're missing the point of Fark, which is to highlight alleged "news" for the purpose of mockery.

We need a site called farkfark.com where we can mock fark.com.

The NRA is ferociously against all Democratic policies pertaining to guns.

We have a Democratic president.

Even though he has show to be a supporter of gun rights, he's still a Democrat, and therefore must be removed, because, um, socialism?

The NRA has nothing to attack him on, so... just make shiat up.

Funny thing is, one of my friends posted this article on Facebook, and a bunch of her friends, who I am happy to not know myself, completely believe that this is legitimate news, that Obama is putting this is motion, and that this isn't just some "prophecy" from a psychopath who has proven time and time again to stir up the hornets nest any time he gets bored.

theknuckler_33: randomjsa: Obama would like nothing more than to completely do away with the second amendment and outlaw the ownership of guns

This statement is based on what, exactly?

The fact that he's done more to relax gun restrictions and expand gun ownership rights than George W Bush did.

theknuckler_33: This statement is based on what, exactly?

The bright red colors of the sky in his troll world.

Wow the tinfoil hat brigade is going to LOVE this one... O_o

Why are the biggest clingers to guns the biggest paranoid crybabies?

Kibbler:
We need a site called farkfark.com where we can mock fark.com.

Farkfark.com. It's not news. End of tagline.

randomjsa: CapnBlues: i heard Obama's going to send the black panthers to the home of every gun owner. They're going to take away the guns first. Then they'll take everything of value to give to black people and other minorities. Then they'll steal away the women, for use in whatever they want. And I do mean whatever.

that includes housework.

That's what Obama's been waiting to do ever since he got elected.

Just in case you or somebody else doesn't know what the Turner Diaries is...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_Diaries

For those that can't be bothered: Book by white supremacist in which the scenario described by Capn comes true more or less. Race wars and such. The white people win of course and kick all the non-whites out of their new formed country which consists of some western-south western states... Except the Jews of course, they just kill them.

I made an effort at one time to read all controversial books and I don't mean things like Harry Potter that somebody wants thrown out of the library for witch craft. Communist Manifesto, Mein Kampf, Turner Diaries, ect ect.

Know your enemies.

As to the topic at hand. Obama would like nothing more than to completely do away with the second amendment and outlaw the ownership of guns and while his administration mulls over how to go about that from time to time and the UN would dearly love to help him with that somehow there's no real way to do it legally since liberals haven't managed to find a "make shait up that isn't in there" reason in the Constitution after their "only the militia" nonsense was shut down completely.


It's true. Obama is just lying awake every night thinking about how he can fark your shiat. Boo!

Moony Times knows this because socialism

Want to watch a gun nut implode?

Remind him that Reagan and Bush together banned more guns than all the Democrats combined.

randomjsa: liberals haven't managed to find a "make shait up that isn't in there" reason

Hey, we agree on something! Liberals haven't found out how to use this tactic, which is why Conservatives have a monopoly on it!

/Subby is a bad person, and he should feel bad.

Sid_6.7: andrewagill: The NRA is known to have poor reasoning skills.

October 7, 1993--Associated Press

GUNS IN THE HOME FOUND TO INCREASE RISK OF DEATH.

People who keep guns at home nearly triple their chances of being murdered, usually by friends or relatives, but fail to protect themselves from intruders... However, Paul Blackman, research coordinator at the National Rifle Association, criticized the study... ``These people were highly susceptible to homicide,'' he said. ``We know that because they were killed.''

To be fair I think the guy is saying that while the correlation may exist, people who are at risk of being murdered might be more likely to buy a gun, as opposed to buying a gun making it more likely you will be murderer. I'm not saying he's correct, but I think that that's what he's trying to say.

No, he would have said ``We know that because they bought a gun for protection'' in that case. What he said was circular reasoning.

Also, I'm rather pleasantly surprised that I found this in Dinosaur Comics form:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: 0Icky0: If you can't trust a paper run by an old Korean man who claims to be the Messiah, what, I ask you, can you trust?

Every article in The Washington Times should start: RE: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: RE: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: RE: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD:

Thought you would appreciate the knowledge that I just favorited you. Not that you should care, it's just a rare occasion for me.

Magorn: Party Boy: NewportBarGuy: Is it time to increase the price of ammo because the sheep will be led to hoarding again? Oh, great.

well.. there was this, too.

A government report says that US forces are now using 1.8 billion rounds of small-arms ammunition a year

Thats so much, that the US has to import small arms.

I read last year that US troops were firing a quarter-million bullets for every insurgent killed in Iraq and Afghanistan (new window)

Could some military vet farker explain to me how that number is even remotely possible? I mean there is being a bad shot, and then there's this

That's a valid question. Bunch of things will skew that number... First and foremost, suppressive fire. Go on Youtube and look up "Mini-gun". They're being increasingly used as door guns on most helicopters. Come into an LZ and lay down some fire to keep heads down. Think there's fire coming from that tree line? BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR There goes 500 rounds of 7.62X51. A couple of bursts like that and you've ripped through 2,000 rounds.

Same thing goes for leg infantry. Squad leader says, "Give me 3 seconds of suppressive on that door/window/whatever." Now you've got 8-10 guys hammering away with M-16A4's and M-4, plus maybe two SAW gunners (think a light, belt-fed machine gun) ripping through belts. That's a couple of hundred rounds easy. Did you kill anyone? No... But that's not the point. You wanted to keep the bad-guys tied up and/or keep their heads down while your maneuver element was out in the open, thus sparing YOU casualties.

See bad guys run behind a block wall? A fire-team (4 guys) are going to open up on the wall long enough to figure out a). we can take this wall apart or b). we can shoot at this farking wall all day and it's not going to do shiat. That's a couple of hundred rounds, right there.

An afternoon of that at the platoon level is a shocking amount of ammunition.

Plus, you're talking about confirmed enemy KIA's... That's to say "kicked and counted". Did you hit a guy and had enough juice left to leave with his buddies only to die from his wounds that night? Not counted (generally). Did his buddies carry him away? Not counted. Five bad guys buried in rubble because a squad got tired of farking around with small arms and called in a Harrier to level the building they were hiding in? Maybe counted, maybe not.

Then, look at the actual effectiveness of an average infantry squad. Out of 12-13 guys or so you're going to have a handful that are your real, hard-core "bump and rumble" guys. Maybe 3 or 4 of them will be accounting for 70% (maybe 80% or higher) of your squads kills. Maybe a couple that are somewhat less effective and the rest are just putting out rounds. Just like any sports team, you're going to have your star-players and your second string.

Lots of factors go into that equation while at the same time the ability of a modern infantry platoon to put out incredible volumes of fire would absolutely boggle the mind of the average civilian.

0Icky0: If you can't trust a paper run by an old Korean man who claims to be the Messiah, what, I ask you, can you trust?

Waiting for his record 1000 couple mass gay marriage on the National Mall.

randomjsa: I made an effort at one time to read all controversial books and I don't mean things like Harry Potter that somebody wants thrown out of the library for witch craft. Communist Manifesto, Mein Kampf, Turner Diaries, ect ect.

Did you forget to switch alts or are you attempting to explain why you frequently go off on insane rants that the average fifth grader could debunk?

So an organization that benefits when people get all worked up over the right to bear arms is saying that Obama is planning to take away everyone's guns? Really?



This is my surprised face...

Magorn: It's politics by paranoid delusion a fairly cynical way for the gun industry and its various hangers-on to generate business and/or donations

FTFY

Not their fault their customer base is made up of notoriously gullible right wing crackpots, is it? See also:

Sigh. When are people going to learn that the Democrats of the 2010s are a pro-gun, pro-tax cut, pro-corporate party? Conservatism won, yet Republicans are still battling as if it were the late 1980s.

Shaggy_C: Sigh. When are people going to learn that the Democrats of the 2010s are a pro-gun, pro-tax cut, pro-corporate party? Conservatism won, yet Republicans are still battling as if it were the late 1980s.

Because it's called the WHITE house for a reason.

Holy mother of Glod. The level of fear you White American ConservaNuts have for the Big Scary Black man in the white house is Hilarious.



Personally, i WISH my president was as WHITE as this.

I'm strongly pro-gun, a fiscal conservative and social libertarian. And I'll be voting for Obama because neither party can control spending, at least the Dems stay out of consensual sexual partnerships between adults and don't force me to pray to Jeebus, Obama has at least tried to stand up to Israel regarding the occupation, and Obama is plainly not anti-gun. He's also not pro-gun, but he's been content to leave it alone at the federal level. That's enough for me.

I know the rest of my pro-gun brethen get their camo panties in a twist about Operation Fast and Furious as a ruse to grab all our guns, and that Obama has just been playing nice so we can get converted into a socialist-fascist-muslim dictatorship, but all the evidence points to the contrary.

/slashie

Fark It: It's too bad because we could still use the NRA to fight the good fight against Chicago, California, DC, NYC, etc. Instead they seem more interested in hyperbole and igniting culture wars, unlike GOA and the 2AF, two gun-rights organizations that have actually done shiat for gun rights recently. They need to focus on the battles that count, like in Illinois where Rahm Emanuel is going to introduce legislation to the General Assembly that calls for statewide registration and obscene fees for the privilege of buying handguns.

And this.

andrewagill: Also, I'm rather pleasantly surprised that I found this in Dinosaur Comics form:

That was awesome, nice find.

You know who was really anti-gun? I mean not pretend future sekrit anti-gun, but real anti-gun? Reagan.

fark Wayne Lapewpew. I own over a dozen guns and as long as he's there I'll never join the NRA. Assholes like him are why I couldn't find an AR barrel or primers in 2009.

Smoking GNU: Holy mother of Glod. The level of fear you White American ConservaNuts have for the Big Scary Black man in the white house is Hilarious.

The foundation of conservatism is fear; fear of change, fear of the other, fear of loss.

Just look at the old conservative chestnut "a liberal is just a conservative that hasn't been mugged yet," it presupposes that a mugging will occur at some point and that the liberal will change their views if something bad happens to them. It's hardly surprising that conservatives would simultaneously want to own guns to give them a (false) sense of security and fear that the "other" is going to take that away from them.

If I can't go to the store, drive, work, and sleep with my gun then how can I be free? I mean really we have the right to ensure that we are protecting our FREEDOM by bearing these arms, infact to ensure it assists this AND make it easier to PROTECT OUR FREEDOM all weapons must have a hair trigger, be fully automatic, and no safety or gun locks are allowed.

Only a filthy pinko commie liberal would allow anything to come between them and their weapon! Now we know this might endanger some people but honestly if they are afraid of it or anyone speaks up against it they obviously are against FREEDOM and our rights. YOU know how to handle your weapon, not some filthy libural who tells you to lock it up!

Remember, liberals could be anywhere, so remember to take the gun lock off, keep the safety off, and sleep with your gun under your pillow and your hand on the trigger. Be forever vigilant! You're doing your part every night you do this. Also give a gun to your children and have them. An armed family is a safe family.

shower_in_my_socks: ELECTION YEAR! Time to dust-off the old Republican boogiemen.

Planned Parenthood / Abortion attack? CHECK

Contraception war? CHECK

"Dems gonna steal away all our guns"? CHECK

Up next: Gay marriage!

/GOP needs a new script.
//And a clue.
///Currently have neither.

Contribution Corsair: If I can't go to the store, drive, work, and sleep with my gun then how can I be free? I mean really we have the right to ensure that we are protecting our FREEDOM by bearing these arms, infact to ensure it assists this AND make it easier to PROTECT OUR FREEDOM all weapons must have a hair trigger, be fully automatic, and no safety or gun locks are allowed.

Only a filthy pinko commie liberal would allow anything to come between them and their weapon! Now we know this might endanger some people but honestly if they are afraid of it or anyone speaks up against it they obviously are against FREEDOM and our rights. YOU know how to handle your weapon, not some filthy libural who tells you to lock it up!

Remember, liberals could be anywhere, so remember to take the gun lock off, keep the safety off, and sleep with your gun under your pillow and your hand on the trigger. Be forever vigilant! You're doing your part every night you do this. Also give a gun to your children and have them. An armed family is a safe family.

As I read that, I kept hearing ricochets and broken glass and cat yowls, interspersed with "Oops!" and "Sorry!" and "Didn't like that vase anyway!"

Kibbler: I heard that Obama is working with the UN to build concentration camps for white men.

/True story

That's ridiculous..... It's only white Christians (and Jews, because he hates Israel that much). Atheists can still remain free.... For now.

Gun sales must be dropping.

So now I have to choose between a Democrat that will destroy the Second Amendment and a Republican who will start WWIII just to please a bunch of warmongering paranoid Zionists?

bujin: Kibbler: I heard that Obama is working with the UN to build concentration camps for white men.

/True story

That's ridiculous..... It's only white Christians (and Jews, because he hates Israel that much). Atheists can still remain free.... For now.

*scribbling furiously in notebook*
*snapping notebook shut*
*pointing at eyes*
*pointing at you*

clancifer: Do not stress, Gun Nut Republicans. Even if Obama were to try this, he would cave and rescind in a matter of days anyhow.

Four letters: N D A A

This is just like with Obama's never ending quest to raise taxes. Sure, he hasn't done it... but you just KNOW he's thinking about it!

Guns are a dead issue. Relax.

Well seems like to me he realy does not want votes from wv does he??? There is not a peson in wv who does not go hunting in the their spare time or have has at least one gun in their house!!!! What the hell is he thinking??????????????

LasersHurt: Amos Quito: clancifer: Do not stress, Gun Nut Republicans. Even if Obama were to try this, he would cave and rescind in a matter of days anyhow.

Four letters: N D A A

What does that have to do with absolutely anything?

Obama signed funding for the US military which means that he's coming for your guns and your white wimmins.

With all of the wingnut republitards roaming this country, any good dumbocrat is going to get himself a gun so he can gun down the wingnuts before they gun him down.

Sanity is a rate commodity and intelligence has left the building.

Magorn: Holy hopping hell! I read the First sentence of TFA :
A top official with the National Rifle Association said Friday that President Obama will move to "destroy" gun rights and "erase" the Second Amendment if he is re-elected in November.


and I came to post a snarky comment along the lines of "Yes Wayne, the fact that Obama has done absolutely nothing to restrict gun rights in his first term is all part of his master plan to lull you into a false sense of security"

Then I read the next sentence and realized that was his ACTUAL ARGUMENT:

While delivering one of the liveliest and best-received speeches at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said the president's low-key approach to gun rights during his first term was "a "conspiracy to ensure re-election by lulling gun owners to sleep."

"All that first term, lip service to gun owners is just part of a massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and hide his true intentions to destroy the Second Amendment during his second term," he said


Mother of god, We've just passed the Derp Event Horizon. Now they are not only criticizing everything Obama does, but they are attacking him for what he DOESN'T DO, but in their minds secretly WANTS to do


It's politics by paranoid delusion

It's desperation, is what it is. Their wedge issue, the NRA's entire reason for being, is rapidly disappearing and they're trying to cling to it so they'll keep bringing in those donations.

Amos Quito: Zionists?

Nobody who uses this world unironically has any credibility. It's right up there next to "Sheeple".

/unless you were being ironic
//in which case, +1 and carry on

Mrbogey: Shaggy_C: Sigh. When are people going to learn that the Democrats of the 2010s are a pro-gun...

Probably when they stop appointing anti-gun judges and AG's and pretending as if their support on an issue begins and ends on verbal declarations.

most Attorneys General are elected.

See, this is one of the many problems with the Tea Party and Conservative movements in general -- they seem to have a very limited knowledge of civics and government. Their participation seems to come largely from adhering to the authority of very specific individuals and organizations.

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Smoking GNU: Holy mother of Glod. The level of fear you White American ConservaNuts have for the Big Scary Black man in the white house is Hilarious.

The foundation of conservatism is fear; fear of change, fear of the other, fear of loss.

Just look at the old conservative chestnut "a liberal is just a conservative that hasn't been mugged yet," it presupposes that a mugging will occur at some point and that the liberal will change their views if something bad happens to them. It's hardly surprising that conservatives would simultaneously want to own guns to give them a (false) sense of security and fear that the "other" is going to take that away from them.

My 8th grade history teacher had a variation on that -- "a liberal is just a conservative that hasn't been mugged yet, and a conservative is just a liberal that hasn't been fired yet."

/CSB

LasersHurt: Amos Quito: clancifer: Do not stress, Gun Nut Republicans. Even if Obama were to try this, he would cave and rescind in a matter of days anyhow.

Four letters: N D A A

What does that have to do with absolutely anything?


If he (and Congress) are willing to give us a law that guts Amendments 3, 4, 5, (etc) - what makes you think they give a damn about the other Amendments?

Funny how libs continue to trust Obama. We know less about him than any other Presidential candidate in history. Simple things like his birth, faith, school records are all obfuscated at best or just out right lies. But fine, if you believe he won't come after gun owners, you go right ahead. In the mean time I will be adding to my collection and keeping my kids trained.

i don't think you guys understand. Gun rights have expanded because of Obama's complete ineptitude and strong conservative leaders like Rick Scott/Scott Walker. That does NOT mean Obama has not already begun to implement his treasonous plot to seize all firearms from law-abiding citizens.

Amos Quito: If he (and Congress) are willing to give us a law that guts Amendments 3, 4, 5, (etc) - what makes you think they give a damn about the other Amendments?

I'm pretty sure the 13th is safe.

do you really think you could "outlaw" guns in the USA when every nutjob has ten of 'em?

it's a little late for that.

RandomExcess: Funny how libs continue to trust Obama. We know less about him than any other Presidential candidate in history. Simple things like his birth, faith, school records are all obfuscated at best or just out right lies. But fine, if you believe he won't come after gun owners, you go right ahead. In the mean time I will be adding to my collection and keeping my kids trained.

my god you're just awful

The NRA has been saying this for years. Obama is a secret muslim socialist kenyan anti-christ gun taker, while he has actually signed at least three pieces of legislation that have made guns more available than they were in the Bush administration.

Ya, go with that one, that's the one that will work.


/ODS

Cromulent User Name: i don't think you guys understand. Gun rights have expanded because of Obama's complete ineptitude and strong conservative leaders like Rick Scott/Scott Walker. That does NOT mean Obama has not already begun to implement his treasonous plot to seize all firearms from law-abiding citizens.

treasonous? Bit over the top, don't ya think?

RandomExcess: Funny how libs continue to trust Obama. We know less about him than any other Presidential candidate in history. Simple things like his birth, faith, school records are all obfuscated at best or just out right lies. But fine, if you believe he won't come after gun owners, you go right ahead. In the mean time I will be adding to my collection and keeping my kids trained.

It isn't that we trust him, we know that as the Antichrist he will betray us as well but, being liberals, we can't help but worship and assist him in his hellish crusade.

TsukasaK: Amos Quito: Zionists?

Nobody who uses this world unironically has any credibility.


That's what Zionists like to say.

;-)

HeartBurnKid: Their wedge issue, the NRA's entire reason for being, is rapidly disappearing

I would't be so sure about that. The NRA is quite possibly one of the only organizations I can give a pass to when they begin to herp the derp. Reason being, gun rights are one of those "if you give an inch, they'll take a mile" type things. Once something is gone, it's gone for good. And if there's something that derp is good for, it's rapidly mobilizing lots of weak-minded people. What's the term.. useful idiots?

Just because Heller vs DC was decided sanely doesn't mean that any threat by state or local governments is automatically invalid. Is DC even in compliance with that ruling yet?

On the other hand, this is farking stupid. Obama isn't coming for your guns.

And speaking of farking stupid:

Mrbogey: Obama is not neutral towards gun rights. Given every chance he's appointed someone who doesn't support gun rights at major positions. And despite protests, he had in the 90s stated he was against personal gun ownership. Unlike gravity, no amount of anger or outrage at those "evil white Christian Republicans" can warp space and time to make reality fit your views.

Nobody cares. The case law has been decided, personal gun ownership has been affirmed. He, his appointees, and every member of the executive branch can be as "against" gun rights as the most radical-left hippie out there, but it matters not. What's done is done. Kind of like how if RON PAUL was elected, he could want the gold standard with every fiber of his being, that doesn't mean it's going to pass congress.

shower_in_my_socks: ELECTION YEAR! Time to dust-off the old Republican boogiemen.

Planned Parenthood / Abortion attack? CHECK

Contraception war? CHECK

"Dems gonna steal away all our guns"? CHECK

With Obama shoving the "Dems are soft on national defense" meme down Republicans' throats, and the economy recovering, expect more of the old social issue bullshiat to crawl into the debate to motivate the scared simpletons into voting for people who have no issue with the income gap, want to strip away people's healthcare, want to legislate their personal lives, install theocratic institutions, start unnecessary wars, and on and on.

You forgot his war on religion. It was even the main theme at CPAC. Son, I am disappoint.

I get all my news from cult newsletters. It makes life more interesting.

acs17: Well seems like to me he realy does not want votes from wv does he??? There is not a peson in wv who does not go hunting in the their spare time or have has at least one gun in their house!!!! What the hell is he thinking??????????????

I the modern era, Democrats don't usually win WV in Presidential elections. So to answer your question, no, he doesn't really want votes from WV.

This is why I'm not an NRA member. I own dozens of guns, I love shooting, and I'm a believer in the Second Amendment, but I cannot support these shiat heads.

MisterLoki: I get all my news from cult newsletters. It makes life more interesting.

I do miss the Weekly World News. I wonder how Bat Boy and Elvis are doing.

Mr_Fabulous: Once again... There is 0.0% chance that I will ever click on any link to a propaganda sheet published by the Unification Church of the Rev. Sun Myung-Moon (aka, "the moonies").

Furthermore, the mod/mins of Fark.com disgrace themselves and cheapen their brand every time they greenlight this unspeakable horseshiat.

That's okay. After reading your post, I clicked twice for you, so your hands are clean.

Amos Quito: LasersHurt: Amos Quito: clancifer: Do not stress, Gun Nut Republicans. Even if Obama were to try this, he would cave and rescind in a matter of days anyhow.

Four letters: N D A A

What does that have to do with absolutely anything?


If he (and Congress) are willing to give us a law that guts Amendments 3, 4, 5, (etc) - what makes you think they give a damn about the other Amendments?

What laws have they passed that gut any of the Amendments? Yea, I didn't think so.

Mugato: Lionel Mandrake: Wayne LaPierre is fkng insane.

Maybe if his name wasn't so fruity he wouldn't be such a nutcase.

Why does it seem that the most insane right-wingnuts, in your country, have French last names ?

chuckufarlie: What laws have they passed that gut any of the Amendments?

One could make a number of convincing arguments that provisions of the NDAA are very, very unconstitutional.

Mr. LaPierre, who said "there is no greater freedom than to own a firearm," predicted that gun owners will rally en masse to defeat Mr. Obama in November.

How about the freedom to say the first stupid thing that comes into your pea-sized brain?

chuckufarlie: Amos Quito: LasersHurt: Amos Quito: clancifer: Do not stress, Gun Nut Republicans. Even if Obama were to try this, he would cave and rescind in a matter of days anyhow.

Four letters: N D A A

What does that have to do with absolutely anything?


If he (and Congress) are willing to give us a law that guts Amendments 3, 4, 5, (etc) - what makes you think they give a damn about the other Amendments?

What laws have they passed that gut any of the Amendments? Yea, I didn't think so.

He said it happened. On the internet. Therefore, it's true. Proof is for liars like yourself.

RandomExcess: Funny how libs continue to trust Obama. We know less about him than any other Presidential candidate in history. Simple things like his birth, faith, school records are all obfuscated at best or just out right lies.

He's a complicated man, no one understands him but his woman.

/Right on.
//He's the cat that won't cop out, when there's danger all about.

why don't they just take the guns away from the gangs?

most people keep their guns in their house to protect against burglers.

the gangsters are the ones using the guns for crime...

the should seriously make a law banning the gangbangers from having guns!

The NRA needs to remain relevant to keep their coffers full.

The NRA won. The Supreme Court settled the longstanding "militia" argument about the Second Amendment by ruling that there actually is an individual right to keep and bear arms, just what the NRA always wanted it to mean.

There is nothing further for the NRA to fight for on the national level, but they desperately want the war to go on because that's their business model.

Obama is a gun store's best friend.

Mrbogey: CapnBlues: most Attorneys General are elected.

See, this is one of the many problems with the Tea Party and Conservative movements in general -- they seem to have a very limited knowledge of civics and government. Their participation seems to come largely from adhering to the authority of very specific individuals and organizations.

Wait, you just lectured me on not knowing civics when you just asserted the USAG is an elected position. Hoooooooooooow does your brain work?

Hi there -- just to clarify, 43 out of 50 states elect their attorneys general. at no point did i say that the USAG is elected.

How does my brain work? the same way yours does: oxygen and glucose.

Mrbogey: At best, Obama is semi-neutral towards guns. Maybe it just doesn't matter to him. But if it didn't matter to him then certainly his choices would have somewhat of a 50-50 split in their view of the 2nd Amendment. And yet it doesn't.

Obama knows that gun control is a major hot-button issue and that he's got enough to do in office already. Even if he wanted to enact more gun laws, why spend his time and energy on that when he's currently fixing the economy, getting us out of war, and expanding healthcare coverage?

He realizes (unlike a lot of dems or republicans) that gun control just isn't that important on the grand scale of things.

Kibbler: Contribution Corsair: If I can't go to the store, drive, work, and sleep with my gun then how can I be free? I mean really we have the right to ensure that we are protecting our FREEDOM by bearing these arms, infact to ensure it assists this AND make it easier to PROTECT OUR FREEDOM all weapons must have a hair trigger, be fully automatic, and no safety or gun locks are allowed.

Only a filthy pinko commie liberal would allow anything to come between them and their weapon! Now we know this might endanger some people but honestly if they are afraid of it or anyone speaks up against it they obviously are against FREEDOM and our rights. YOU know how to handle your weapon, not some filthy libural who tells you to lock it up!

Remember, liberals could be anywhere, so remember to take the gun lock off, keep the safety off, and sleep with your gun under your pillow and your hand on the trigger. Be forever vigilant! You're doing your part every night you do this. Also give a gun to your children and have them. An armed family is a safe family.

As I read that, I kept hearing ricochets and broken glass and cat yowls, interspersed with "Oops!" and "Sorry!" and "Didn't like that vase anyway!"

You must be one of those silly liberals who want to take the guns away. A True American doesn't have those kind of problems, the guns only go off when aimed at a practice target at the range, a terrorist, or someone invading your home.

To imply otherwise is just more liberal propaganda to try to push gun control and revoking the second amendment!

A gun in every hand and twice as much ammo! Thats the ticket! And just remember if the gun goes off and hits something, that thing was obviously a commie liberal traitor to the Constitution and an enemy of our Lord. He wanted it destroyed or dead and thus He chose to guide your weapon. That is why you need to keep your finger on the trigger AT ALL TIMES and ready to fire with no safety. The Lord's will may try to guide your hand at any time and if you have placed blocks in the way you obviously are weak of faith.

Mrbogey: The gov't can still ban guns.

Oh really? Do tell.

Mrbogey: Most people don't know this because they prefer to be ignorant of the issues they talk about but the USAG already has the ability to ban guns from importation.

And yet, this isn't happening. So much for the "anti-gun" Obama, huh? Hell, I'm pro-gun, and could probably be significantly more evil than that.

Mrbogey: They can also regulate gun sales as long as it's "reasonable".

Point being? Sales of anything are "regulated".

Mrbogey: There's been no case affirming an absolute right to firearm ownership.

Where did this word "absolute" come from? There are no "absolute" rights anywhere in the world. Pretty sure I didn't say it.

I'm not going to spend the time to copypasta from the ruling for your benefit. Suffice to say, you are wrong. SCOTUS explicitly affirmed the second amendment.

iaazathot: Doctor Funkenstein: Of all the pant-shiatting, bed wetting, insane conspiracies that conservatives dream up I think this 'Bammy's comin' fer mah guns' fantasy pisses me off the most. Has Fartbongo even uttered the word 'gun' outside of telling the Navy SEALS to go get theirs and blow some terrorists face off?

Only when he pointed out the truth about the whackadoodles clinging to their guns and religion. Ever since they have been dialing it up to 11, and I now think that he purposefully baited them. Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. Make them visible throught their insane actions.

The NRA is the biggest scam and these morons just keep pumping money into it, because they are afraid of the n*gger in the WH.

didn't the NRA start around the same time that the KKK fell out of fashion?

Eddie Adams from Torrance: 0Icky0: If you can't trust a paper run by an old Korean man who claims to be the Messiah, what, I ask you, can you trust?

Every article in The Washington Times should start: RE: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: RE: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: RE: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD:

And end with: People who agree pass this on. People who don't, that's your right but keep it to yourself

shower_in_my_socks: ELECTION YEAR! Time to dust-off the old Republican boogiemen.

Planned Parenthood / Abortion attack? CHECK

Contraception war? CHECK

"Dems gonna steal away all our guns"? CHECK

With Obama shoving the "Dems are soft on national defense" meme down Republicans' throats, and the economy recovering, expect more of the old social issue bullshiat to crawl into the debate to motivate the scared simpletons into voting for people who have no issue with the income gap, want to strip away people's healthcare, want to legislate their personal lives, install theocratic institutions, start unnecessary wars, and on and on.

Just the rural folks clinging to their guns and abortions, or whatever that quote was. I'm anxiously waiting to find out what he's going to shove down our throats.

NewportBarGuy: Is it time to increase the price of ammo because the sheep will be led to hoarding again? Oh, great.

Aw shiat. You're probably right. I'd better start hoarding before it becomes obvious to even the delusional Limbaugh crowd that the Republicans have no chance.

I suppose that makes me part of the problem... but at least I'll have ammo.

TheMadChaosopher: why don't they just take the guns away from the gangs?

most people keep their guns in their house to protect against burglers.

the gangsters are the ones using the guns for crime...

the should seriously make a law banning the gangbangers from having guns!

Serious? I honestly can't tell.

Magorn: Party Boy: NewportBarGuy: Is it time to increase the price of ammo because the sheep will be led to hoarding again? Oh, great.

well.. there was this, too.

A government report says that US forces are now using 1.8 billion rounds of small-arms ammunition a year

Thats so much, that the US has to import small arms.

I read last year that US troops were firing a quarter-million bullets for every insurgent killed in Iraq and Afghanistan (new window)

Could some military vet farker explain to me how that number is even remotely possible? I mean there is being a bad shot, and then there's this

Suppressing fire

/and remember, we fired more rounds in Korea than we did in WWII

Mrbogey: CapnBlues: Hi there -- just to clarify, 43 out of 50 states elect their attorneys general. at no point did i say that the USAG is elected.

And yet clearly I was talking about AG Holder. You know, the one that is appointed by Obama... the guy who everyone in the thread is talking about.

There is really no reason to be such a dick, except that you are trying to get a reaction out of people. I'm sorry that this is where your life has led you. Take care, friend, I hope things go better for you soon.

edmo: They've been saying that for four years now and it still hasn't happened.

What's tragic in America is people will vote for this BS but not on reality. People claim the economy is worse off than four years ago even though it is doing much better. Talking heads cry appeasement when we withdraw from a country whose ass we thoroughly kicked nearly a decade ago.

Let's face it, the GOP has squandered another election by pushing the fruitcakes to the front.

/In other news, the guns and ammo marketing association has helped gun sellers set yet another yearly sales record.

CapnBlues: Mrbogey: Shaggy_C: Sigh. When are people going to learn that the Democrats of the 2010s are a pro-gun...

Probably when they stop appointing anti-gun judges and AG's and pretending as if their support on an issue begins and ends on verbal declarations.

most Attorneys General are elected.

See, this is one of the many problems with the Tea Party and Conservative movements in general -- they seem to have a very limited knowledge of civics and government. Their participation seems to come largely from adhering to the authority of very specific individuals and organizations.

Okay, let's see: the Republicans fark up their selection process, allowing several losers from past elections (or disgraced lunatics) to get support. Now faced with their inability to actually act like a political party, they now pull out the only thing they really control--various media sources--and start pushing the fear narrative en masse. So far we've already had Birthers, and now it's gun control that's just more dogwhistle racism.

Yawn central. What's next, the big 'immigration' problem? Mexicans taking our jerbs?

RandomExcess: Funny how libs continue to trust Obama. We know less about him than any other Presidential candidate in history. Simple things like his birth, faith, school records are all obfuscated at best or just out right lies. But fine, if you believe he won't come after gun owners, you go right ahead. In the mean time I will be adding to my collection and keeping my kids trained.

AAHHHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! Holy Poe's Law, but it's farkin funny either way.

Mrbogey: And despite protests, he had in the 90s stated he was against personal gun ownership.

OK?

I've said time and time again I'm against abortion, but I'm still pro-choice, because I don't feel my personal dogma should be the basis for legislation. I don't understand how his opinion changes his public policy.

Maybe it's just because I'm a liberal?

Liberal: Voting for the public good regardless of personal standing.
Conservative: Voting for ME ME ME ME ME

They are not getting my Jumpin Jesus 50 cal auto that I lovingly refer to as my gubermint' fly swatter! Tommy freekin Jefferson said I can keep it loaded and in the winder of in my pickemup truck. Jes in case a commie or a darkie should insult my rights or free tinkin'. Don't take mush edumacatin to figur out how to load a gun neither. "bout second or tird grades all y'need. Sall I gots! n' I loads jes fine. Gun-Grabber! Wey doggie that is a good un'! Where'all youse people comes up with alls them fancy words? I'll be usin that right next to Fartbongo! My sides are a splittin'!

It looks like the republican rebuttal in this thread is: Look at this entirely unrelated thing I hate over here. Splutter splutter splutter. Therefore gun grabber.

Obama drinks fancy beer and his wife talks about healthy eating. Tell me he's not looking to take every god-fearing American's gun now, libs.

Mr_Fabulous: Once again... There is 0.0% chance that I will ever click on any link to a propaganda sheet published by the Unification Church of the Rev. Sun Myung-Moon (aka, "the moonies").

Furthermore, the mod/mins of Fark.com disgrace themselves and cheapen their brand every time they greenlight this unspeakable horseshiat.


You're just mad because Obama took your gun.

Good idea. Just go see "guy shoots laptop to punish daughter" thread* to see why gun ownership by average citizens should definitely be heavily regulated like in UK, Europe and Japan.

*Or any story where little Traeger and his buddy Aspen are fooling around with daddy's piece and one of them gets ventilated.

Magorn: Holy hopping hell! I read the First sentence of TFA :
A top official with the National Rifle Association said Friday that President Obama will move to "destroy" gun rights and "erase" the Second Amendment if he is re-elected in November.


and I came to post a snarky comment along the lines of "Yes Wayne, the fact that Obama has done absolutely nothing to restrict gun rights in his first term is all part of his master plan to lull you into a false sense of security"

Then I read the next sentence and realized that was his ACTUAL ARGUMENT:

While delivering one of the liveliest and best-received speeches at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said the president's low-key approach to gun rights during his first term was "a "conspiracy to ensure re-election by lulling gun owners to sleep."

"All that first term, lip service to gun owners is just part of a massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and hide his true intentions to destroy the Second Amendment during his second term," he said


Mother of god, We've just passed the Derp Event Horizon. Now they are not only criticizing everything Obama does, but they are attacking him for what he DOESN'T DO, but in their minds secretly WANTS to do


It's politics by paranoid delusion

Dude, the NRA endorsed McCain last time for the same reason:

"Um, both candidates' gun policies are the same, but Obama's a n... liberal who is obviously lying, so we say McCain's better!"

Wow, the fact that they always trump this shiat out, and it works, if farking ridiculous. I really doubt that President Obama wants to spend every bit of his political capital in a failed attempt to alter the bill of rights.

Here's a funny one: this dummkopf at a gun show let a 7-year-old fire a mini-Uzi and the gun bounced up and the boy blew the side of his head off:



I wish someone would leak that video.

PeppaJack: Wow, the fact that they always trump this shiat out, and it works, if farking ridiculous. I really doubt that President Obama wants to spend every bit of his political capital in a failed attempt to alter the bill of rights.

Yep and the low information voters just eat it up every single time. I honestly can't wait to see what's on the agenda for Obama's second term. I'm hoping for decriminalization of marijuana at the federal level since it's still to early for single payer healthcare.

Primum: Here's a funny one: this dummkopf at a gun show let a 7-year-old fire a mini-Uzi and the gun bounced up and the boy blew the side of his head off:

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I wish someone would leak that video.

Obviously, that boy would have been saved if he had been carrying a concealed handgun, moran.

Fark It: Primum: Good idea. Just go see "guy shoots laptop to punish daughter" thread* to see why gun ownership by average citizens should definitely be heavily regulated like in UK, Europe and Japan.

Explain.

Obviously, if an individual uses a firearm to destroy his or her own property under controlled circumstances in a manner that causes no physical harm to anyone, then firearm ownership should be entirely prohibited to civilians because firearms are frightening and the sight of them causes Primum to void his bladder involuntarily.

Homoerotic Overtones Enliven NRA Meeting

COEUR D'ALENE, ID-Repression was the order of the day as the National Rifle Association's North Idaho Chapter held its annual convention this weekend.

More than 25,000 dedicated gun lovers from across Northern Idaho flocked to the Coeur d'Alene Convention Center for the two-day event, happily sublimating homosexual impulses amid a carefully maintained facade of platonic camaraderie.

Moscow, ID, resident Richard Hoflinger, 47, a longtime gun-rights activist, proudly exhibited the collection of antique rifles through which he has channeled his culturally unacceptable impulses. "Guns should be part of any upstanding Christian family," Hoflinger said, sticking a long, thick, oily pipe-cleaner 14 inches up an 1886 Remington.

In the next booth, another latent gay man, Duane Erlich of Sandpoint, moved his hand slowly up and down a well-polished 1948 Winchester. "Ain't she a beautiful baby?" Erlich said, displaying the kind of feminization/infantilization of firearms for which NRA members are renowned.

Erlich then demonstrated the proper loading procedure for his "baby," lovingly inserting a pair of bullets into the dark, snug-fitting tunnels before thrusting the gun's bolt smoothly into the action, cocking it firmly.

"This'll blow a man straight to heaven," he said.

The tone of the event was set by chapter president John Henry Unger, whose opening remarks cited the "wonderful variety of weaponry on display, from little snub-nosed pieces that fit snugly in your pocket to big, meaty shooters with barrels as thick as your arm."

Unger then fired his father's prize Colt Peacemaker revolver into the air, drawing raucous applause from the crowd, many of whose own fathers had suppressed latent physical attraction for their adolescent sons by channeling their forbidden feelings into totemistic firearms.

All over the convention floor, gun manufacturers proudly unveiled new technologies which will allow simmering homoerotic tensions to be expressed with greater nuance than ever before. At the Smith & Wesson booth, company spokesman Darrell Trace displayed a handgun made from a newly developed metal alloy whose "incredibly hard" nature, he explained, gives it no recoil after discharge, providing its user with "a far greater sense of control over his piece."

"It's a very comfortable gun, very soft in the hands," added Trace, noting that Smith & Wesson had designed the gun to appeal to "shooters tired of coming home from the firing range with sore, worn-out wrists."

But even as conventioneers reveled in a two-day orgy of firearm-to-phallus transference, a dark cloud hung over the event. The NRA has declined in power over the last decade, and its once-potent lobbyists have come out on the losing end of key legislative battles like the Brady Bill, causing many members to bring their lifelong subconscious fears of castration to the fore.

"If the gun-control lobby wants my rod, they'll have to yank it from my dead body," said Pocatello-area bar-owner Joseph Greer, cradling a tell-tale snub-nosed revolver.

"Those guys out there in Washington are tryin' to take our guns away, but we ain't gonna let 'em," Greer continued, adding classic paternal displacement to the already-rich psychosexual tapestry. "No siree, Bob."

The Onion

I really think it's time to change the Republican party symbol from the elephant to something more appropriate. since many of them spend a lot of time shiatting themselves in terror, how about Mitt Rmoney's dog?

Primum: Here's a funny one: this dummkopf at a gun show let a 7-year-old fire a mini-Uzi and the gun bounced up and the boy blew the side of his head off:

The idiot's head or the kid's head?

If it's the kid, that's a tragedy.
If it's the adult, that's still sad but with a heavy dose of schadenfreude.

The past several decades have seen a steady, continuous shift of power away from States and the People and into the hands of the Federal Government. This trend has continued under both Republican and Democrat administrations, and regardless of who controlled Congress.

These Federal power grabs increased exponentially during the aftermath of 9/11, as we were assured that it was absolutely necessary for us to surrender our rights in order to ensure Big Brother's ability to protect us from the Bogeymen.

At the same time the wealth of the nation has steadily been siphoned away from the masses and into the hands of a few oligarchs whose influence on politics has increased dramatically as a result. The middle class continues to shrink as we move toward the return to a feudal system of virtual Lords and peasants, and US politics and policies are increasingly controlled not by the voters, but by those who have amassed wealth.

The original purpose for the RKBA was to ensure that the PEOPLE were provided with the ability to oppose tyranny within their own government - should the need arise. Needless to say that the idea of an armed populace is not something that those who aspire to oligarchy are keen on, and rogue movements like OWS that might tend to threaten them directly have given them a renewed interest in seeing that the peasantry is declawed.

An armed populace is antithetical to the goals of those who seek a Centralized Authoritarian Government.

gov·ern (new window)

verb (used with object)
1. to rule over by right of authority: to govern a nation.
2. to exercise a directing or restraining influence over; guide: the motives governing a decision.
3. to hold in check; control: to govern one's temper.


The desire to increase, consolidate and centralize power is rooted in human nature, and this is the natural aspiration of any and all governments. The only defense the governed have is their determination to oppose and limit these aspirations, preferably by exercising the power of voice and vote.

Preferably.

As one of the many Fark gunnuts, gun rights/control is so far down the list of issues/concerns this year it is almost a non-issue for me. The NRA is a lobbying organization and they are using CPAC as a platform for them to raise cash. *yawn*

wedding vegetables: I really think it's time to change the Republican party symbol from the elephant to something more appropriate. since many of them spend a lot of time shiatting themselves in terror, how about Mitt Rmoney's dog?

I thought they already updated it years ago?

If Obama wasn't after my guns four years ago, what makes you think he is after them now?

Mr. LaPierre's inflammatory rhetoric is most likely to damage the cause of civilian firearm ownership rights advocacy. His irrational, hyperbolic claims serve to polarize the National Rifle Association, dissuading otherwise rational progressive individuals who, were they informed of relevant facts regarding civilian firearms, current legislation and the unreasonable nature of some legislative proposals claimed to be "common sense", may otherwise side with the organization. The National Rifle Association would be well-served with a new vice president who does not intentionally create the impression that the National Rifle Association is explicitly a neoconservative organization.

Fark It: So, what further laws and regulations on automatic weapons would have prevented that?

It was probably semi-automatic. If the kid wasn't ready for the kick and was startled the instinctive response is to grab on in which case he could easily have squeezed off a second, third, or even fourth shot.

Fark It: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Primum: Here's a funny one: this dummkopf at a gun show let a 7-year-old fire a mini-Uzi and the gun bounced up and the boy blew the side of his head off:

The idiot's head or the kid's head?

If it's the kid, that's a tragedy.
If it's the adult, that's still sad but with a heavy dose of schadenfreude.

The kid's head. The gun show's promoters put a teenager in charge of handling that particular demonstration, while the idiot dad signed off on it. Every adult involved in that debacle is a moron that shares the blame, although it was in Massachusetts so it was the evil guns' fault and not the dad's.

Although I can't care less about guns on either side of the issue, and I take umbrage with Primum's use of the word "funny", do incidents like this not even beg the question "do private citizens even need automatic weapons in the first place". I'm not saying yes or no, I'm merely saying to write it off as merely "dumb people making dumb decisions" is glancing over the issue, as most people, at one time or another, make a dumb decision or twelve. The least we could have is an honest debate and not this "ALL OR NONE" argument that seems to pervade any argument on second amendment rights.

Uh-huh. Gun sales and NRA donations must be down.

chuckufarlie: Amos Quito: LasersHurt: Amos Quito: clancifer: Do not stress, Gun Nut Republicans. Even if Obama were to try this, he would cave and rescind in a matter of days anyhow.

Four letters: N D A A

What does that have to do with absolutely anything?


If he (and Congress) are willing to give us a law that guts Amendments 3, 4, 5, (etc) - what makes you think they give a damn about the other Amendments?


What laws have they passed that gut any of the Amendments?


President Obama Signs Indefinite Detention Into Law (ACLU)

QUOTE

President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) today, allowing indefinite detention to be codified into law. As you know, the White House had threatened to veto an earlier version of the NDAA but reversed course shortly before Congress voted on the final bill. While President Obama issued a signing statement saying he had "serious reservations" about the provisions, the statement only applies to how his administration would use it and would not affect how the law is interpreted by subsequent administrations.

The statute is particularly dangerous because it has no temporal or geographic limitations, and can be used by this and future presidents to militarily detain people captured far from any battlefield.

Under the Bush administration, similar claims of worldwide detention authority were used to hold even a U.S. citizen detained on U.S. soil in military custody, and many in Congress now assert that the NDAA should be used in the same way again. The ACLU believes that any military detention of American citizens or others within the United States is unconstitutional and illegal, including under the NDAA. In addition, the breadth of the NDAA's detention authority violates international law because it is not limited to people captured in the context of an actual armed conflict as required by the laws of war.

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chuckufarlie: Yea, I didn't think


Well there's your problem, right there.

DrBenway: Yep, it's true. He's gonna take your guns. And you know what he's gonna take after that? He's gonna take your TRUCK.

Ooooooooooooooooh!

and your women. and he'll take your money, too. he'll give all those things to black people.

Amos Quito: The past several decades have seen a steady, continuous shift of power away from States and the People and into the hands of the Federal Government. This trend has continued under both Republican and Democrat administrations, and regardless of who controlled Congress....

You think anything has changed, lately? It seems like this is the way everything has always been. I wonder what politics would look like without the nazi/communist propaganda that is just rhetoric and exaggeration?

Good! The 2nd Amendment is outdated and not applicable in today's society.

Amos Quito: chuckufarlie: Amos Quito: LasersHurt: Amos Quito: clancifer: Do not stress, Gun Nut Republicans. Even if Obama were to try this, he would cave and rescind in a matter of days anyhow.

Four letters: N D A A

What does that have to do with absolutely anything?


If he (and Congress) are willing to give us a law that guts Amendments 3, 4, 5, (etc) - what makes you think they give a damn about the other Amendments?


What laws have they passed that gut any of the Amendments?


President Obama Signs Indefinite Detention Into Law (ACLU)

QUOTE

President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) today, allowing indefinite detention to be codified into law. As you know, the White House had threatened to veto an earlier version of the NDAA but reversed course shortly before Congress voted on the final bill. While President Obama issued a signing statement saying he had "serious reservations" about the provisions, the statement only applies to how his administration would use it and would not affect how the law is interpreted by subsequent administrations.

The statute is particularly dangerous because it has no temporal or geographic limitations, and can be used by this and future presidents to militarily detain people captured far from any battlefield.

Under the Bush administration, similar claims of worldwide detention authority were used to hold even a U.S. citizen detained on U.S. soil in military custody, and many in Congress now assert that the NDAA should be used in the same way again. The ACLU believes that any military detention of American citizens or others within the United States is unconstitutional and illegal, including under the NDAA. In addition, the breadth of the NDAA's detention authority violates international law because it is not limited to people captured in the context of an actual armed conflict as required by the laws of war.

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chuckufarlie: Yea, I didn't think


Well there's your problem, right there.

and how does that gut all of the Amendments you listed?

In my country, we can carry as many guns as we want to.

We also have low, low taxes and very little government enforcement or regulation. Abortion is illegal, church and state are deeply enmeshed, homosexuality is not tolerated, and we even have a town called Palin. Our rich are rich and the poor know their place! We even have a university based on Libertarian values and Austrian economics: UFM (new window)

So, hey, I invite all you dissatisfied Tea Partiers to move down to sunny Guatemala-- the USA you always wanted, TODAY!

/BTW, bring your guns-- 'coz you're gonna need 'em. This place is a shiathole.

9beers: Good! The 2nd Amendment is outdated and not applicable in today's society.

The majority of the United States population disagrees with your assessment.

Fark It: No, it was full-auto, I remember reading about it. You can YT the video up to the point right before the fatal shot is fired and see.

Tragic and stupid. What the fark were they thinking putting an automatic weapon in the hands of an 8 year old?

Umeraken Ideut: Although I can't care less about guns on either side of the issue, and I take umbrage with Primum's use of the word "funny", do incidents like this not even beg the question "do private citizens even need automatic weapons in the first place". I'm not saying yes or no, I'm merely saying to write it off as merely "dumb people making dumb decisions" is glancing over the issue, as most people, at one time or another, make a dumb decision or twelve. The least we could have is an honest debate and not this "ALL OR NONE" argument that seems to pervade any argument on second amendment rights.

Fully automatic firearms are not readily available to civilians in the United States. What additional regulation could be proposed to prevent the reported incident?

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Fark It: No, it was full-auto, I remember reading about it. You can YT the video up to the point right before the fatal shot is fired and see.

Tragic and stupid. What the fark were they thinking putting an automatic weapon in the hands of an 8 year old?

They were thinking that it was well within their rights, duh. And you know what, it was!

Every farking time the NRA\GOP\Teatards\et al. speaks I just play this scene in my head (new window)

// BOOGIE-BOOGIE-BOOGIE!!!
// Gun owner and proud of it!
// Not an NRA member and more proud of it every farking day!

Mugato: Amos Quito: An armed populace is antithetical to the goals of those who seek a Centralized Authoritarian Government.

Yeah but what does your paranoia have to do with Obama specifically?

I didn't mention Obama specifically - but noted that the trend toward Centralized Authoritarian Government has continued regardless of who or which party is in power.


And the idea of an "armed populace" standing up to the government was cool back when everyone involved had muskets but it's a little silly now.


Remember what the Egyptian Military did to protect Mubarak's regime from the angry crowds in Egypt last year?

They didn't protect Mubarak's regime at all, did they?

Members of the military are people too. Have you noticed which US presidential candidate members of the military and veterans tend to be supporting this election cycle?

Obama should introduce a nationally standardized concealed carry law just to watch the Republicans argue against it.

Umeraken Ideut: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Fark It: No, it was full-auto, I remember reading about it. You can YT the video up to the point right before the fatal shot is fired and see.

Tragic and stupid. What the fark were they thinking putting an automatic weapon in the hands of an 8 year old?

They were thinking that it was well within their rights, duh. And you know what, it was!

Yes, it was within their rights, and that kid is dead because every adult involved exercised their rights in an irresponsible manner.

Dimensio: Umeraken Ideut: Although I can't care less about guns on either side of the issue, and I take umbrage with Primum's use of the word "funny", do incidents like this not even beg the question "do private citizens even need automatic weapons in the first place". I'm not saying yes or no, I'm merely saying to write it off as merely "dumb people making dumb decisions" is glancing over the issue, as most people, at one time or another, make a dumb decision or twelve. The least we could have is an honest debate and not this "ALL OR NONE" argument that seems to pervade any argument on second amendment rights.

Fully automatic firearms are not readily available to civilians in the United States. What additional regulation could be proposed to prevent the reported incident?

They're not? Is it because the ATF Form 4 (5320.4) is too hard to fill out, or because you're too lazy? Because that's basically all you need.

badhatharry: Hahaha. Tell that to the people of Libya, Egypt, and Syria. Or those silly insurgents in Iraq.

I hear there's a toilet paper shortage.

Umeraken Ideut: Dimensio: Umeraken Ideut: Although I can't care less about guns on either side of the issue, and I take umbrage with Primum's use of the word "funny", do incidents like this not even beg the question "do private citizens even need automatic weapons in the first place". I'm not saying yes or no, I'm merely saying to write it off as merely "dumb people making dumb decisions" is glancing over the issue, as most people, at one time or another, make a dumb decision or twelve. The least we could have is an honest debate and not this "ALL OR NONE" argument that seems to pervade any argument on second amendment rights.

Fully automatic firearms are not readily available to civilians in the United States. What additional regulation could be proposed to prevent the reported incident?

They're not? Is it because the ATF Form 4 (5320.4) is too hard to fill out, or because you're too lazy? Because that's basically all you need.

Also required is a significant amount of money, because civilian-available fully automatic firearms are a limited and never-increasing quantity.

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Umeraken Ideut: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Fark It: No, it was full-auto, I remember reading about it. You can YT the video up to the point right before the fatal shot is fired and see.

Tragic and stupid. What the fark were they thinking putting an automatic weapon in the hands of an 8 year old?

They were thinking that it was well within their rights, duh. And you know what, it was!

Yes, it was within their rights, and that kid is dead because every adult involved exercised their rights in an irresponsible manner.

Which seems to happen an awful lot, don't you notice?

Isn't it kind of a cop-out to treat every case of accidental gun violence as "well, he was an idiot"? How many times must it happen before you stand back and go "OK, maybe we should have a few more rules"?

Dimensio: Umeraken Ideut: Although I can't care less about guns on either side of the issue, and I take umbrage with Primum's use of the word "funny", do incidents like this not even beg the question "do private citizens even need automatic weapons in the first place". I'm not saying yes or no, I'm merely saying to write it off as merely "dumb people making dumb decisions" is glancing over the issue, as most people, at one time or another, make a dumb decision or twelve. The least we could have is an honest debate and not this "ALL OR NONE" argument that seems to pervade any argument on second amendment rights.

Fully automatic firearms are not readily available to civilians in the United States. What additional regulation could be proposed to prevent the reported incident?

Ban them all so they're completely unavailable. Since some parents can't be bothered to supervise their kids let's ruin it for everyone. It worked for swimming pools, which killed 4 times as many kids yearly as guns, but now kill none since they were outlawed and filled with cement last year. Just like it worked when we banned Bic lighters and bleach a decade ago.