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(Yahoo)   "The 10 Cities You Don't Want to Drive in." #1- New York City- like anybody besides cabbies, cops, and the FED-EX guy who destroyed your monitor drive there   (autos.yahoo.com) divider line 104
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2012-02-11 11:19:16 AM  

thornhill: The only people who panic about driving in the New York City area are people who have never driven in the New York City area. While driving in the metro area can be brutal during rush hour, but it's brutal in just about any major city. And during non-rush hour times it's actually a lot better than most major cities.

The worst is obviously LA. The non-stop weaving on the highways, most notably the 405, can bring everything to a standstill. What they need to do is have dedicated lanes for people who are driving 10 mile stretches so to limit how many people are constantly changing lanes in order to shave a few minutes off their trip.

DC is second worse. It doesn't matter what time of day or year, but going driving anywhere near the city is a nightmare.

I'd also add Atlanta to the list. The highway interchanges are confusing, the signage poorly worded (for example, leaving the airport and getting on 85 South) and the neighborhoods were not designed for the number of people that drive cars in the city.


Atlanta, due to right lanes becoming mandatory exits, requires driving at high speed in the left lane then diving across 2 lanes within a hundred yards of your exit.
 
2012-02-11 11:22:19 AM  
Add Lynnwood, WA to the list of traffic-camera towns. It generated so much revenue that city officials started to make it a political issue; towns around it voted to ban cameras; and now there's an initiative to ban them statewide.
 
2012-02-11 11:24:00 AM  
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Without a shade of a doubt, the WORST city in the northern hemisphere to drive in. Reckless, ZERO regard for human safety, turn signals are practically illegal, crossing several lanes at once, etc. Suprisingly, no road rage, since they're probably all immune to the horrors of the Florida freeways.
 
2012-02-11 11:50:17 AM  
To drive in NYC, you need to be good at what I call 'insanely aggressive defensive driving'.

Know the dimensions of your car to the nearest millimeter. As long as you have an air gap with the next car, it's all good. Know how to play chicken, and when to flinch. Right of mass wins over right of way, cabs trump all. Some colorful metaphors and hand gestures is just the NYC version of 'thank you for letting me merge behind you', not an insult to seven generations of your family.

CSB: One time in NYC, I was trying to squeeze between some double parked cars. I knew it was going to be close, and heard scraping as I went by. When I checked my car, there was a scratch in the dirt down the side of my car, but the paint wasn't scratched at all.

/learned to drive in NYC
//driving in NYC mode in other cities is a great way to get through traffic and scare passengers
 
2012-02-11 11:57:48 AM  
Chicago is pretty nice.

Not only do we have red light cameras that cause accidents, we're getting SPEED cameras! There's nothing better than coming home to find a 100$ ticket in the mailbox.
I feel so safe! Well, except at intersections where everyone either slams on their brakes at the first glimpse of a yellow light, or floors it to race through the yellow light. But o well, the cops are here to take our money not keep us safe. Besides, with the gangs running rampant with handguns noone's really ever that safe. I dont have a handgun. It's actually illegal to own a hangun in chicago so the gangbangers are the only ones that are armed, and boy are they ever armed!
So if you're planning to visit our great city, make sure you STAY IN THE LOOP Downtown! There's about a 5 square mile area right Downtown that is clean, and safe, and the cops make DAMN sure the tourists areas are safe. The ENTIRE West and South sides of the city are dangerous ghetto war zones where people are literally dinged by stray bullets all day and night long. Little kids even get killed playing in their bedrooms from bullets flying in their barred windows. O yeah, you'll notice the houses and every business/store have big metal bars and gates over all the windows and doors. Thats because the cops are really only only interestd in writing tickets cuz the city and State is DEEP in debt despite having the highest taxes in the country, so they don't really respond to burglery or robbery calls until after the fact. So if you're staying with friends or relatives living anywhere except Downtown, make sure they have bars and gates, and keep away from the windows!
 
2012-02-11 12:01:57 PM  
I call bullshiat on Austin. If you can even reach the speed limit, you'll find they're adequate for a city of that size. Not that anyone needs them. I'm looking at you, pickup truck driver on Ben White doing 55 in a 70.

Once in a while you'll see a bike cop on 35 with his radar gun out but it's nowhere what Trapster makes it out to be. Now Trapster, that's a rant for another day...
 
2012-02-11 12:10:05 PM  

matthew_tray: Tax Boy: #10 Austin

Like it's actually possible to exceed the speed limit there. Road system designed when Austin was a tiny college town with about 150K people in the 1970s & 1980s. Now 800K people live in the area thanks to Dell and other techies.

Worst traffic I've ever had to deal with, and I've lived in Houston, Boston, LA & DC.

There's a reason I choose to live in the wells branch neighborhood in addition to working there. Sure, it's easily the most boring neighborhood of Austin, but my life isn't going to be exponentially improved if I move to 78704 & commute everyday. Now I can walk to work & completely forget about traffic. There's definitely an upside there.


hi former neighbor!

Maybe convenient to Samsung, etc. but I drove from there to my job at UT. Fun fun fun, it was faster to drive on Burnet than I-35 or Mopac. Freeway fail.

The commuter rail made life for me sooooo much better once it started up.
 
2012-02-11 12:25:49 PM  
As someone who's got to drive through downtown Dallas in a few minutes, I'm not getting a kick out of these replies

/no, traffic's not all that bad; I'm just a timid hick from Idaho
 
2012-02-11 12:30:27 PM  

JustFarkingGreat: The key to safe driving in Manhattan is being aggressive. The slower and more timid you are, the more likely you are to be railed by a maniac cab driver.


Pretty much. You don't even have to be super-aggressive; just, you know, get your nose in there and don't wait for anyone to give you the go-ahead. And remember that buses yield to no one. For the most part, drivers there are aggressive but not stupid; they'll respect you for standing up for yourself.
 
2012-02-11 12:39:04 PM  
LA definitely #1, maybe when NYC learns to build out instead of up, all the neighborhoods can experience the nightmare traffic we do here in the city of angels.

Our angelic behavior includes a turn signal is essentially being an invitation for the person in that lane to speed up before you have a chance to turn into it. If the driver behind you feels you could've made that turn through oncoming cars, they'll honk at you to encourage you forward. Stealing parking spaces is considered as nothing more than opportunistic, making every driver a thief or a victim. Our driving behavior is much like eager shoppers at a going out of business sale, racing towards the cashier's with the shortest line.

It's not all bad news, though, traffic etiquette has improved most significantly in that there's less freeway shootings.

Also, this, my biggest sin... legalized by our demonic overlords:
26.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-02-11 12:42:07 PM  
My city spent major bucks installing red light cameras.

I don't recall there being any public discussion about it, but, one day, there they all were.

Recently, the son of a friend, riding past a huge retirement community on a highway on his bicycle got flattened by this lady pulling out -- and who kept on going. Red light cameras were at the intersection, so the guy, banged up but not seriously hurt, suggested the cops pull the tape and track the car.

Cops couldn't. It seems most of the redlight cameras are not hooked up. They're mainly there to scare drivers. Some time in the future, they'll be hooked up -- probably after they've rotted out from exposure to the elements.

My once rural, peaceful road has, over the last couple of decades, turned into a secondary thoroughfare between two major roads. It went from maybe 10 cars a day passing my house to thousands. Many come flying down the road, which is long and straight, like it's a raceway. Traffic is now on it 24/7.

Complaints to the city and county are ignored. The traffic ignores even the couple of cops who have lived along the road, with their marked cars in plain sight.

I hold a special grudge for the motorcyclist's who, driving things the size of Harley's, running straight pipes, come blasting through in the middle of the night as if the devil himself was chasing them.

What makes it worse is that my rural road, once very sparsely populated, has now been developed nearly into oblivion. Houses cram nearly every available square foot. I started backing into my drive way because backing out to go somewhere became far too entertaining.

A school bus stops a house away from me -- and traffic begrudgingly stops for it but only so long as those red lights are flashing. If the driver cuts them off too soon, any kid crossing the street is pretty well on his own.

Ambulances, fire trucks and fire rescue have become a common sight on my road. Frequently cops come blasting down it, sirens wailing.

In 1968, we were lucky to see a cop car once a month, making patrols, and once a year for the ambulance. Fire trucks showed up only if the woods caught fire, which they did every few years.

I'm considering petitioning the county to install speed bumps -- with spikes. The normal speed bumps, installed years ago, did nothing and were removed.
 
2012-02-11 12:55:09 PM  
Emporia, VA on Route 58 (near the intersection of I-95) -- local legendary speed trap
 
2012-02-11 01:09:11 PM  

superdude72: How about just following the posted speed limit and then you don't have to worry about the "speed traps."


How about just sit in the back of the bus and don't marry outside your race, then you won't have to worry about those "laws".

I guess there had to be at least one of you in this thread...
 
2012-02-11 01:11:45 PM  

Rik01: ...


Your entire rant can be boiled down to, "Get off my lawn!"
 
2012-02-11 01:18:37 PM  

TheMadChaosopher:
So if you're planning to visit our great city, make sure you STAY IN THE LOOP Downtown! There's about a 5 square mile area right Downtown that is clean, and safe, and the cops make DAMN sure the tourists areas are safe. The ENTIRE West and South sides of the city are dangerous ghetto war zones where people are literally dinged by stray bullets all day and night long.


As someone who frequently travels to Chicago for business and stays in the Loop, how far south is safe? Seemed OK down a little way down State Street when I went to Lou Malnati's, and on my next trip plan on going to Buddy Guy's Legends for dinner some jambalaya and blues one night, which is in the same area.
 
2012-02-11 01:18:55 PM  
Rather than speed traps, I'd avoid driving through St. Louis for fear of carjacking or getting straight up shot.
 
2012-02-11 01:28:13 PM  

clear_prop: To drive in NYC, you need to be good at what I call 'insanely aggressive defensive driving'.

Know the dimensions of your car to the nearest millimeter. As long as you have an air gap with the next car, it's all good. Know how to play chicken, and when to flinch. Right of mass wins over right of way, cabs trump all.


Not exactly. Delivery vans trump cabs. They park on the sidewalk at will, double-park, graze pedestrians at intersections, and cabs give way to them. I put a cab into the curb once, driving a 15-pax van. Teach him to try to pass on the right.
 
2012-02-11 01:36:21 PM  

mbillips: clear_prop: To drive in NYC, you need to be good at what I call 'insanely aggressive defensive driving'.

Know the dimensions of your car to the nearest millimeter. As long as you have an air gap with the next car, it's all good. Know how to play chicken, and when to flinch. Right of mass wins over right of way, cabs trump all.

Not exactly. Delivery vans trump cabs. They park on the sidewalk at will, double-park, graze pedestrians at intersections, and cabs give way to them. I put a cab into the curb once, driving a 15-pax van. Teach him to try to pass on the right.



I was told once that there is a sort of pecking order as to NYC traffic:

1. FDNY/NYPD/Ambulances
2. Sanitation trucks, road maintenance, and other such gov't vehicles
3. MTA buses
4. Delivery vans & trucks
5. Taxis
6. Manhattanites
7. The bridge & tunnel crowd
8. Anyone that doesn't have either a NY, NJ, or CT license plate.

Close to the truth?
 
2012-02-11 01:53:01 PM  

JesusHoffaChrysler: The American Automobile Association put up two signs on 301 going toward Gainesville Florida

[bydianedaniel.files.wordpress.com image 500x339]

[dustingrove.com image 400x270]


Awesome. That is a worthwhile investment.
 
2012-02-11 02:29:51 PM  
My rule of thumb: If a city has a good subway system, use it (I realize there are situations where this is not practical). Chances are the city is also way too dense for driving to be an effective means of transit.


/Grew up on Long Island
//Going to Manhattan meant taking the LIRR, then the subway or a cab. Driving (especially the parking part) in NYC is more stress than it's worth.
 
2012-02-11 02:32:52 PM  
I haven't owned a car since moving to NYC 20 years ago, but when I do have to drive in the city, I dig it. It's like being in a really intense video game. As long as you drive well and decisively, you'll be okay.
 
2012-02-11 02:56:11 PM  
I'm honestly surprised to see Colorado Springs on the list. I lived there for well over a decade and never noticed that many speed traps. Sure, there are a decent number of unmarked cars but they're always easy to spot. They're almost always black or white Chargers, Impalas, or Tauruses.

While not a city, I-81 in Virginia sticks out to me as a place with an excessive number of speed traps. Just recently I was on that road for a couple hours and counted 25+ State Troopers hidden on various road cut throughs. Those cut throughs seem deliberately well hidden on that road as well. Then to top it off, they give out misdemeanor reckless driving tickets for just going 11 over...
 
2012-02-11 03:09:49 PM  
Visitors to New York: leave your car across the Hudson and take a ferry or train into Manhattan. New York has great cheap public transportation and anyone will help you if you ask. And if you need to take a cab for some reason it will still be cheaper than parking your car in one of those scam parking lots in midtown.
 
2012-02-11 03:13:04 PM  
Maus III : DON'T YOU DARE drive 1 mile/hour over the limit in Normal, IL or Las Vegas, NV.

How can you even drive the limit in Las Vegas, NV?
 
2012-02-11 03:13:42 PM  
Even without the speed traps driving in Orlando really sucks. Chicago, surprisingly, isn't really that bad - just have to bring your "A" game whenever you hit the road.

Having been a pedestrian in NYC, I dispute the claim that the "police enforce speed very seriously." Just trying to cross the street in midtown is to take your life into your own hands.
 
2012-02-11 03:32:15 PM  
Spent a whopping $18 on transit last month.

That figure doesn't include wear-and-tear on my shoes, but it does include everything else.
 
2012-02-11 04:05:35 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: Rather than speed traps, I'd avoid driving through St. Louis for fear of carjacking or getting straight up shot.


You know, when these surveys get done, and St. Louis is in consideration, they always pick the one which is worse: 1) The City of St. Louis, or 2) The Metro Area (which may include the Illinois part, depending on whom you ask).

I've lived in "St. Louis" almost my entire life. For some years I lived within the city limits. Right now I live right outside the city limits, in an area which is still urban.

In all that time, I've never heard a single gunshot. I've seen stuff on the news ... but every place I know about that has impoverished areas has violent crime to some degree. Where I live (which is a nice but not wealthy area), I've walked around in the middle of the night when I've had insomnia. Nobody has ever bothered me. When I lived within the city itself, the worst that happened to me over a period of about ten years was being approached by panhandlers.

So, I'm curious: do you actually know what you're talking about from experience, or is your comment based on what you read in these surveys? I'm going to assume you're not trolling, even though a lot of that happens here on Fark.
 
2012-02-11 04:33:20 PM  

mbillips: DC traffic is terrible, because there aren't enough lanes on the expressways, and you have a combination of Virginia commuters who want to drive 80 and DC bureaucrats who get scared if they go 56 in a 55.

Manhattan is a lot of fun to drive in when it's not rush hour, as long as you have parking at your destination. I probably get 5 mpg and need an alignment every 5,000 miles the way I drive there, but I never use my own car.


I have to say DC is much worse than L.A.. D.C. highways are just as clogged, but unlike L.A.--which is a grid you'd have to be a complete chimp to get lost in--DC's street plan is all sorts of f*cked up for security purposes. Can't get out of one place the same way you got in, etc. And yeah, the speed and behavior difference in commuters and locals is vast. Also, if i see Maryland plates, I expect the absolute worst.
 
2012-02-11 04:38:59 PM  
Lived in Colorado Springs for about three and a half years now... never had a problem with speed traps. We had red light cameras at four intersections for about a year, but they were recently removed. Just my experience, but no complaints here.
 
2012-02-11 05:10:10 PM  

SageC: LA definitely #1, maybe when NYC learns to build out instead of up, all the neighborhoods can experience the nightmare traffic we do here in the city of angels.

Our angelic behavior includes a turn signal is essentially being an invitation for the person in that lane to speed up before you have a chance to turn into it. If the driver behind you feels you could've made that turn through oncoming cars, they'll honk at you to encourage you forward. Stealing parking spaces is considered as nothing more than opportunistic, making every driver a thief or a victim. Our driving behavior is much like eager shoppers at a going out of business sale, racing towards the cashier's with the shortest line.

It's not all bad news, though, traffic etiquette has improved most significantly in that there's less freeway shootings.

Also, this, my biggest sin... legalized by our demonic overlords:
[26.media.tumblr.com image 500x553]


I don't think that people from other parts of the country realize how friggin' big LA is. It's possible to drive for two hours in any direction and still be in the city.
 
2012-02-11 05:21:04 PM  

Rik01: My city spent major bucks installing red light cameras.

I don't recall there being any public discussion about it, but, one day, there they all were.

Recently, the son of a friend, riding past a huge retirement community on a highway on his bicycle got flattened by this lady pulling out -- and who kept on going. Red light cameras were at the intersection, so the guy, banged up but not seriously hurt, suggested the cops pull the tape and track the car.

Cops couldn't. It seems most of the redlight cameras are not hooked up. They're mainly there to scare drivers. Some time in the future, they'll be hooked up -- probably after they've rotted out from exposure to the elements.

My once rural, peaceful road has, over the last couple of decades, turned into a secondary thoroughfare between two major roads. It went from maybe 10 cars a day passing my house to thousands. Many come flying down the road, which is long and straight, like it's a raceway. Traffic is now on it 24/7.

Complaints to the city and county are ignored. The traffic ignores even the couple of cops who have lived along the road, with their marked cars in plain sight.

I hold a special grudge for the motorcyclist's who, driving things the size of Harley's, running straight pipes, come blasting through in the middle of the night as if the devil himself was chasing them.

What makes it worse is that my rural road, once very sparsely populated, has now been developed nearly into oblivion. Houses cram nearly every available square foot. I started backing into my drive way because backing out to go somewhere became far too entertaining.

A school bus stops a house away from me -- and traffic begrudgingly stops for it but only so long as those red lights are flashing. If the driver cuts them off too soon, any kid crossing the street is pretty well on his own.

Ambulances, fire trucks and fire rescue have become a common sight on my road. Frequently cops come blasting down it, sirens wailing.

In 1968, we were ...


You sound old.....
 
2012-02-11 05:47:08 PM  
I live in NYC. On the occasion I rent a car, driving has been a breeze and even during rush hour traffic isn't nearly as bad as you would expect from America's largest city. I just don't like driving the cross Bronx.

Congestion in parts of Jersey is awful though.

Worst town to drive in? Boston's horrific, but the traffic during a Tampa rush hour is the worst.
 
2012-02-11 05:47:34 PM  

pete1729: I bet you're fat and ugly and no one 'likes' you.


I also look at rude books...with rude pictures in them!

/gotta go.... my tea's ready
 
2012-02-11 06:29:20 PM  
PORTLAND, OR

That is all.
 
2012-02-11 06:31:32 PM  
Driven in Manhattan and Chicago. I agree Manhattan driving is stressful but one way streets on a perfect grid is a walk in the park compared to Chicago and LA. Urban Chicago is a strange hybrid of inner city driving (high car density) and suburban cruising (potential for speeding violations).

LA is the worst city to drive in hands down because I'm willing to bet the ratio of petty parking violations to speeding tickets is 1000:1 here. Plus it's got all of Chicago and NYC's insanity, but throw in Mexicans driving dented-up beaters with no insurance.
 
2012-02-11 07:14:10 PM  

Fapinator: SN1987a goes boom: Rather than speed traps, I'd avoid driving through St. Louis for fear of carjacking or getting straight up shot.

You know, when these surveys get done, and St. Louis is in consideration, they always pick the one which is worse: 1) The City of St. Louis, or 2) The Metro Area (which may include the Illinois part, depending on whom you ask).

I've lived in "St. Louis" almost my entire life. For some years I lived within the city limits. Right now I live right outside the city limits, in an area which is still urban.

In all that time, I've never heard a single gunshot. I've seen stuff on the news ... but every place I know about that has impoverished areas has violent crime to some degree. Where I live (which is a nice but not wealthy area), I've walked around in the middle of the night when I've had insomnia. Nobody has ever bothered me. When I lived within the city itself, the worst that happened to me over a period of about ten years was being approached by panhandlers.

So, I'm curious: do you actually know what you're talking about from experience, or is your comment based on what you read in these surveys? I'm going to assume you're not trolling, even though a lot of that happens here on Fark.


St. Louis has rated in the top 3 most violent and criminal cities in the US consistently for over the past 10 years.
 
2012-02-11 07:53:30 PM  

SageC: maybe when NYC learns to build out instead of up


Are we building on the ocean, the sound or the rivers? There is no more building out, it's already a sprawl.
 
2012-02-11 08:07:55 PM  
The freeways into and out of Vegas are patrolled by airplanes, and the ticket is outrageous.

Limit is 75.

/the more you know
 
2012-02-11 08:11:37 PM  
Used ingenuity to drive the Alaskan Way viaduct in Seattle. So they're rebuilding it now...for whatever reason..should have just been torn down and left open.
 
2012-02-11 08:14:05 PM  

Chariset: As someone who's got to drive through downtown Dallas in a few minutes, I'm not getting a kick out of these replies

/no, traffic's not all that bad; I'm just a timid hick from Idaho


Ever try the southbound I-35 to I-45 link? Left exit and cross 4 lanes while everyone else is trying to get on I-20.
 
2012-02-11 09:06:10 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: St. Louis has rated in the top 3 most violent and criminal cities in the US consistently for over the past 10 years.


Did you even read what I wrote? If you did, then you didn't comprehend it. It's also obvious that you haven't been here.

The City of St. Louis is a small part of the St. Louis metro area. It's not even in St. Louis County. The population of the City of St. Louis is a little over 300,000. That's where most of the violent crime happens, and the "St. Louis" of the ratings you refer to is that St. Louis. The rest of the metro area is much safer, but that's not the area referred to in those statistics. Metro St. Louis has a population of over 2.8 million. Do you see the problem with the conclusion you've drawn?

You could at least have a look at the Wikipedia article.

"Since the mid 1990s, St. Louis index crime rates have declined, although homicide rates in the city of St. Louis have remained higher than the United States national average. St. Louis also frequently is ranked among the "most dangerous" in the country by CQ Press, although these rankings are controversial and do not reflect the crime rate of Greater St. Louis."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis#Crime (new window)
 
2012-02-11 09:49:15 PM  

Joe USer: Are we building on the ocean, the sound or the rivers? There is no more building out, it's already a sprawl.


this, plus the fact that development out instead of up is not exactly environmentally friendly.
 
2012-02-11 10:02:16 PM  

gtp123: Visitors to New York: leave your car across the Hudson and take a ferry or train into Manhattan. New York has great cheap public transportation and anyone will help you if you ask. And if you need to take a cab for some reason it will still be cheaper than parking your car in one of those scam parking lots in midtown.


Meh. Disagree. Park on the upper west side, upper east side, or in Hell's Kitchen, where street parking is reasonably obtained and often free, and take a train from there. Until I moved to New York, any time I needed to visit I would park between Broadway and the Hudson between 110th and 120th, and walk to the 1/2/3 at 116th. Lots of available parking, never cost a dime, and I didn't have to pay for NJ transit.
 
2012-02-11 10:15:31 PM  
Meh. NYC isn't that bad if you're not a complete tool. Chicago, however, is always bad. I'd take midweek NYC rush hour over any day/time in Chicago.

/And all of New Jersey is pretty much a free for all.
 
2012-02-11 10:16:56 PM  
Why did I read that as "the FED-EX guy who destroyed your Mom"?

Sometimes, even I think there is something wrong with me.
 
2012-02-11 10:40:58 PM  
Don't speed. Don't run red lights. It's pretty simple.
 
2012-02-12 12:06:05 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: Don't speed. Don't run red lights. It's pretty simple.


It said driving in CITIES.

Boston is crazy. Crazy works only when everyone isn't playing the crazy card at the same time. NYC is super aggressive, but also very competent. LA drivers are just morons. A slight misting and they drive off the road for no apparent reason.
 
2012-02-12 02:09:59 AM  

sseye: Fark Me To Tears: Don't speed. Don't run red lights. It's pretty simple.

It said driving in CITIES.

Boston is crazy. Crazy works only when everyone isn't playing the crazy card at the same time. NYC is super aggressive, but also very competent. LA drivers are just morons. A slight misting and they drive off the road for no apparent reason.


I'm going to start installing sprinklers along the highways there, if that's the case. You can all thank me later.
 
2012-02-12 03:30:56 AM  

mikdeetx: Used ingenuity to drive the Alaskan Way viaduct in Seattle. So they're rebuilding it now...for whatever reason..should have just been torn down and left open.


This sense no makes.
 
2012-02-12 05:16:04 AM  
Milwaukee County Sheriffs are pretty aggressive on speed enforcement. It's kind of a local punchline. Years ago, they had a helicopter. It spent most of its time being used to assist other agencies. It crashed and killed the deputies on board while coming back from assisting another county. There was major debate about getting a new one, which they never did. This whole discussion reminds me of a quote from a local talk show host: "Why do they need a new helicopter? They can't hide it under an overpass."

Speeding isn't the problem. It's lack of attention and assholeishness that is. There are laws on the books for inattentive driving and endangering safety. If only having law enforcement pulling people over for driving like a dick was a moneymaker...
 
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