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2012-02-10 07:45:52 PM
Oh no you didn't.

Oh, but you did.

It's gonna hurt worse than you imagine, like a horse hoof to the face...

;)
 
2012-02-10 07:46:35 PM
I told them holding this years darby on the floor of the ocean was a mistake.
 
2012-02-10 07:47:06 PM
Aw man, we'll need a whole platoon to beat that dead horse.
 
2012-02-10 07:47:31 PM
Well, there goes the chances of Sex and the City 3.
 
2012-02-10 07:48:06 PM
Look, if I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: horses are NOT required for water polo!
 
2012-02-10 07:52:04 PM
According to the article, they couldn't get to the emergency make-the-horse-stop-kicking-the walls switch in time.
 
2012-02-10 07:52:12 PM
FTA: "Investigators said the horse inside the room, which is filled with pure oxygen under pressure, began kicking with its steel shoes to get out.

The horse managed to kick through the padding of the room to the metal walls. "


Are you farking kidding me? How is it possible for people so stupid to get oxygen from Airgas? Nobody saw this coming? I mean, really, wtf?
 
2012-02-10 07:55:09 PM
whoa-nelly
 
2012-02-10 07:56:35 PM
You would think that before you bring a horse into tight enclosed space with the potential to blow up, you'd a least give it some Ativan or something first.
 
2012-02-10 07:57:35 PM
A pure 02 hyperbaric chamber? Whose bright idea was that? And how is that not toxic? Is this a very low value of "hyper"?
 
2012-02-10 07:57:54 PM
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize you don't want sparks in a pure oxygen environment.
 
2012-02-10 07:58:10 PM
What about the money?

Launder it. (new window)
 
2012-02-10 07:58:41 PM
why, WHY, WHY???????????!???????????!??????????
 
2012-02-10 07:59:45 PM
I had some exposure to hyperbaric chambers at Navy diving school. They are very careful about what goes inside one of them. The question here is, what was the combustible material in this "chamber"? Horse farts?
 
2012-02-10 08:01:25 PM
This is actually a very sad story, terrible stupidity cost the life of a horse and a woman and nearly killed another woman. Oxygen is so volatile, that they didn't have a farrier remove the shoes from the horse is either gross stupidity or someone didn't want to pay for the farrier to do the job. Anyway you see it, this is negligence and grounds for a whopping huge lawsuit against the facility.
 
2012-02-10 08:01:47 PM

RoyBatty: It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize you don't want sparks in a pure oxygen environment.


But a rocket scientist would be useful in describing the result.
 
2012-02-10 08:02:37 PM

Jamdug!: What about the money?

Launder it. (new window)


I thought Timothy Dalton was one of the best James Bonds. Certainly way better than Roger Moore or Craig Daniel, and I think better than Pierce Brosnan as well.
 
2012-02-10 08:05:25 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: I had some exposure to hyperbaric chambers at Navy diving school. They are very careful about what goes inside one of them. The question here is, what was the combustible material in this "chamber"? Horse farts?


Floor covering? Padding on the wall? It's got to be somewhat comfortable for a horse to stand on.
 
2012-02-10 08:05:56 PM
I hate when this happens.
 
2012-02-10 08:08:16 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: I had some exposure to hyperbaric chambers at Navy diving school. They are very careful about what goes inside one of them. The question here is, what was the combustible material in this "chamber"? Horse farts?


The metal walls and the padding wouuld be combustable in the presence of O2 and a spark, no methane needed. Especially if the O2 was under pressure.
 
2012-02-10 08:10:16 PM

maq0r: Well, there goes the chances of Sex and the City 3.


savage
 
2012-02-10 08:11:14 PM

SeedFreak: This is actually a very sad story, terrible stupidity cost the life of a horse and a woman and nearly killed another woman. Oxygen is so volatile, that they didn't have a farrier remove the shoes from the horse is either gross stupidity or someone didn't want to pay for the farrier to do the job. Anyway you see it, this is negligence and grounds for a whopping huge lawsuit against the facility.


My dad was a farrier. I just asked him why the horse was wearing shoes in the first place, and he just said that the horse must wear it all the time.

He's...he's not very bright.
 
2012-02-10 08:12:55 PM
If it wasn't for that horse, I'd never have spent that year in veterinary school
 
2012-02-10 08:14:39 PM

LoneWolf343: SeedFreak: This is actually a very sad story, terrible stupidity cost the life of a horse and a woman and nearly killed another woman. Oxygen is so volatile, that they didn't have a farrier remove the shoes from the horse is either gross stupidity or someone didn't want to pay for the farrier to do the job. Anyway you see it, this is negligence and grounds for a whopping huge lawsuit against the facility.

My dad was a farrier. I just asked him why the horse was wearing shoes in the first place, and he just said that the horse must wearhave worn it all the time.

He's...he's not very bright.


Sorry, my Kansan accent slipped through there.
 
2012-02-10 08:15:25 PM
Oxygen is now flammable. No wonder I failed chemistry.
 
2012-02-10 08:21:45 PM
Stoopit. The headline, the story, everything but the horse.
 
2012-02-10 08:22:13 PM

RoyBatty: Old_Chief_Scott: I had some exposure to hyperbaric chambers at Navy diving school. They are very careful about what goes inside one of them. The question here is, what was the combustible material in this "chamber"? Horse farts?

Floor covering? Padding on the wall? It's got to be somewhat comfortable for a horse to stand on.


I don't know. Something isn't adding up here. You can't build up too much of a pressure head in a room big enough to get a horse in and out of because the doors would have to be massive and all of the pictures just show light sheet metal strewn about. Was this something that was cobbled together on site?
 
2012-02-10 08:22:32 PM
Knowing what I know about explosive decompression and hyperbaric chambers, that must have been messy.

Think "Ludacris Gibs" messy.
 
2012-02-10 08:27:25 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: RoyBatty: Old_Chief_Scott: I had some exposure to hyperbaric chambers at Navy diving school. They are very careful about what goes inside one of them. The question here is, what was the combustible material in this "chamber"? Horse farts?

Floor covering? Padding on the wall? It's got to be somewhat comfortable for a horse to stand on.

I don't know. Something isn't adding up here. You can't build up too much of a pressure head in a room big enough to get a horse in and out of because the doors would have to be massive and all of the pictures just show light sheet metal strewn about. Was this something that was cobbled together on site?


My guess is that they are being fast and loose with the definition of "hyperbaric". I guess if the partial pressure of oxygen in the chamber is significantly above normal atmospheric, AND you have some morons in marketing, you could call that "hyperbaric".
 
2012-02-10 08:31:10 PM

BronyMedic: Knowing what I know about explosive decompression and hyperbaric chambers, that must have been messy.

Think "Ludacris Gibs" messy.


Yeah, I almost would like to see photos of what was left, just to satisfy my sick curiosity.
 
2012-02-10 08:35:07 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

Mr. Popo is not amused.
 
2012-02-10 08:37:53 PM

GreenSun: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 315x230]

Mr. Popo is not amused.


Wow.
 
2012-02-10 08:39:35 PM
Another story I read about this stated that the woman that survived was visiting from Ireland to observe things because she was interested in introducing the treatment to europe. I suppose she's going to give up on that now.
 
2012-02-10 08:44:56 PM

jagec: some morons in marketing


Say no more.
 
2012-02-10 08:46:09 PM
The Byford Dolphin (new window), ask for it by name when looking for the best in explosive decompression accidents.
 
2012-02-10 08:53:23 PM
God damn I wish there was video of this.

Bob Down: Oxygen is now flammable. No wonder I failed chemistry.


Fire extinguishers displace the oxygen for a reason.
 
2012-02-10 09:00:11 PM

umad: Bob Down: Oxygen is now flammable. No wonder I failed chemistry.

Fire extinguishers displace the oxygen for a reason.


To stop the other stuff from burning in the presence of the oxygen, not the oxygen itself (after all, if it just displaced the oxygen, then the oxygen would still be burning somewhere else).

I, too, am curious about what actually happened here. Perhaps the padding in the room went up in flame almost instantly and caused an over pressure that blew off the doors? Still, I am surprised that a pure oxygen fire could cause an explosion like that -- any chemists/chemical engineers able to weigh in on this?
 
2012-02-10 09:03:28 PM

GreenSun: Mr. Popo is not amused.


I came.
I saw.
I leave a happy camper.
 
2012-02-10 09:07:47 PM

dukeblue219: umad: Bob Down: Oxygen is now flammable. No wonder I failed chemistry.

Fire extinguishers displace the oxygen for a reason.

To stop the other stuff from burning in the presence of the oxygen, not the oxygen itself (after all, if it just displaced the oxygen, then the oxygen would still be burning somewhere else).

I, too, am curious about what actually happened here. Perhaps the padding in the room went up in flame almost instantly and caused an over pressure that blew off the doors? Still, I am surprised that a pure oxygen fire could cause an explosion like that -- any chemists/chemical engineers able to weigh in on this?


What happened was that there was a spark in an enclosed space containing pure oxygen. We have known for a long time that doing such things is a bad idea. Link (new window)
 
2012-02-10 09:08:22 PM
Came for mention of the Byford Dolphin, left satisfied.

Also more than a bit surprised they were treating EPM (which is basically a type of equine meningitis caused by protozoa, but not quite as severe as, say, primary amoebic meningoencephalitis in humans) in a "hyperbaric" (more "high-oxygen") chamber when there's an effective and remarkably non-oxidising FDA-approved treatment that can be administered like ivermectin paste--and seeing as there's not a whole lot of evidence that hyperbaric oxygen therapy works in restoring brain function in horses that do have brain damage from past EPM infection.

(I have heard of legit uses of hyperbaric therapy in infections, but this usually involves infections by anaerobic organisms--say, wounds at threat of gas gangrene--or in treatment of infections of severe burns. Haven't ever heard of it in the context of equine rehabilitation from brain injuries.)

Also, add me in to those questioning why the horse wasn't unshoed or at least re-shoed with something...not quite as likely to cause a spark in a highly oxidising atmosphere. (Yes, rubber shoes--for one--do exist for horses, and there are also other non-ferric shoeing materials for horses.)
 
2012-02-10 09:10:49 PM

dukeblue219: Perhaps the padding in the room went up in flame almost instantly and caused an over pressure that blew off the doors? Still, I am surprised that a pure oxygen fire could cause an explosion like that -- any chemists/chemical engineers able to weigh in on this?


If the padding was flammable in the presence of pressurized oxygen (!), then hells yeah, it can combust so fast, especially after a long soak, that it can deflagrate very enthusiastically. Sort of a bright FOOMPF. The overpressure would be significant.
 
2012-02-10 09:11:34 PM

cscanlon7: GreenSun: Mr. Popo is not amused.

I came.
I saw.
I leave a happy camper.


Inside insulting campers face indirect ineptitude.

Good luck.

;)
 
2012-02-10 09:11:52 PM
Dang- that building should of had blow-out panels.
 
2012-02-10 09:13:34 PM

umad: What happened was that there was a spark in an enclosed space containing pure oxygen...


In that case, as in any other, it's not the oxygen that's acting as a fuel. Apollo 1 was full of combustible plastics, and the suit cooling loop was full of a combustible fluid. Later flights were not.

You can have all the sparks you'd like in pure oxygen, as long as nothing in there will burn at that pressure level. Of course, you get enough partial O2 pressure and you can get teflon to burn.
 
2012-02-10 09:20:25 PM

Great Porn Dragon: Also, add me in to those questioning why the horse wasn't unshoed or at least re-shoed with something...not quite as likely to cause a spark in a highly oxidising atmosphere


You can put horse boots on them. Taking the shoes off and re-shoeing is somewhat non-trivial.
 
2012-02-10 09:20:47 PM

erewhon: umad: What happened was that there was a spark in an enclosed space containing pure oxygen...

In that case, as in any other, it's not the oxygen that's acting as a fuel. Apollo 1 was full of combustible plastics, and the suit cooling loop was full of a combustible fluid. Later flights were not.

You can have all the sparks you'd like in pure oxygen, as long as nothing in there will burn at that pressure level. Of course, you get enough partial O2 pressure and you can get teflon to burn.


I realize that. I wasn't trying to imply that O2 is flammable by itself, just that this situation isn't unique.
 
2012-02-10 09:28:57 PM

umad: I realize that. I wasn't trying to imply that O2 is flammable by itself, just that this situation isn't unique.


It amazes me how often people do this sort of thing. You'd have thought that North American wouldn't have filled Apollo 1 with plastic and glycol suit coolant.

I've seen guys that should know better use combustible lubricant on rebreather o-rings.

Most techs doing hyperbaric treatments on people are real bears on the stuff going into the chamber. For big animal vets, maybe not so much.
 
2012-02-10 09:30:03 PM
A horse. Wearing metal horse shoes. In a hyperbaric chamber. Filled with pure oxygen.

God damn, sometimes really do wonder how a bunch of idiot monkeys managed to become the dominant species on this planet.

/poor horsey.
 
2012-02-10 09:33:19 PM
www.horseconnection.com
Bottom left pic is the chamber.
 
2012-02-10 09:34:37 PM
Horse burn so fast, it look like explosion.
 
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