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Backwards Cornfield Races
2012-02-10 03:59:29 PM
If he even gets close the DEA or the cartels will take care of it
 
Car_Ramrod
2012-02-10 04:11:00 PM
Am I reading this right? Are they basically saying, "We don't care who the people vote for, RON PAUL supporters know better and will decide for them"?

How else does this happen:

In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.
 
Amos Quito
2012-02-10 04:22:06 PM

AND he's had his hands on more pussy than all the other candidates combined.

RON PAUL
 
rynthetyn [TotalFark]
2012-02-10 04:36:25 PM
One step closer to my dream of seeing a brokered convention.
 
RminusQ [TotalFark]
2012-02-10 05:15:12 PM
Car_Ramrod: Am I reading this right? Are they basically saying, "We don't care who the people vote for, RON PAUL supporters know better and will decide for them"?

How else does this happen:

In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.

Because Republican caucuses are intentionally un-democratic. There are two completely separate processes in most Republican caucus states:
1. Voters conduct an "advisory primary", also known as a "beauty contest primary", the results of which have no bearing on delegate selection.
2. Voters elect delegates to a county convention, at which delegates are elected to a district convention and then state convention. The latter two elect national delegates. The selection of national delegates, as well as whether they are bound to presidential candidates, is at the discretion of the state convention.

The Ron Paul organization, just like it realized that Florida and other winner-take-all states were a waste of time, has decided that #1 is irrelevant (as it is, except for momentum), and #2 is where it's at in terms of becoming the nominee (or more likely, affecting the party's platform in Tampa).
 
GAT_00 [TotalFark]
2012-02-10 05:15:38 PM
Ron Paul Secretly Won the Caucuses

i575.photobucket.com
 
Kumana Wanalaia
2012-02-10 05:23:54 PM
The GOP doesn't have a single viable candidate.

Not one.
 
Tyrone Slothrop
2012-02-10 05:24:27 PM
So what's the actual delegate count so far?
 
Summer Glau's Love Slave
2012-02-10 05:25:18 PM
Funniest. Election. Ever!
 
Cup_O_Jo [TotalFark]
2012-02-10 05:36:42 PM
It's really sad that I would like Drunk Uncle Guy over those other ones right now..
 
Smoking GNU
2012-02-10 05:37:05 PM
Summer Glau's Love Slave: Funniest. Election. Ever!

In a sad, depressing, WTF-is-happening-to-the-country kinda way.
 
Car_Ramrod
2012-02-10 05:40:57 PM
RminusQ: Car_Ramrod: Am I reading this right? Are they basically saying, "We don't care who the people vote for, RON PAUL supporters know better and will decide for them"?

How else does this happen:

In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.

Because Republican caucuses are intentionally un-democratic. There are two completely separate processes in most Republican caucus states:
1. Voters conduct an "advisory primary", also known as a "beauty contest primary", the results of which have no bearing on delegate selection.
2. Voters elect delegates to a county convention, at which delegates are elected to a district convention and then state convention. The latter two elect national delegates. The selection of national delegates, as well as whether they are bound to presidential candidates, is at the discretion of the state convention.

The Ron Paul organization, just like it realized that Florida and other winner-take-all states were a waste of time, has decided that #1 is irrelevant (as it is, except for momentum), and #2 is where it's at in terms of becoming the nominee (or more likely, affecting the party's platform in Tampa).

That's stupid.

(Thank you for the info)
 
Leo Bloom's Freakout
2012-02-10 05:42:12 PM
Smoking GNU: Summer Glau's Love Slave: Funniest. Election. Ever!

In a sad, depressing, WTF-is-happening-to-the-country kinda way.

Yeah, I have to agree. At times, I find myself laughing at the shenanigans and getting caught up in the absurdity of the moments. Then, I have flashes of realization that remind me this is for real, these people think this is the way to act and win the highest office in the country. this is how a world power's leader and highest ambassador should conduct themself. Additionally, they have cadres of supporters who agree...

Then I drink...
 
Leo Bloom's Freakout
2012-02-10 05:43:28 PM
Kumana Wanalaia: The GOP doesn't have a single viable candidate.

Not one.

You know... one way to deal with non-viable offspring is... no no, that's not an option for them
 
Kuoxasar
2012-02-10 05:53:36 PM
Tyrone Slothrop: So what's the actual delegate count so far?

According to the Calvinball Rulebook, 3rd Edition:

Mitt Romney: 86
Rick Santorum: Q
Ron Paul: Jay Buhner and a sandwich to be named later
Newt Gingrich: a box filled with bees and disappointment
 
urban.derelict
2012-02-10 05:54:26 PM
Car_Ramrod: How else does this happen:

Look at the state. Colorado.

What's one of Paul's big campaign promises? To end... not only the Federal Reserve, but also the 'war on (some) drugs.'

http://legalize2012.com/ may be relevant to your interests.
 
Corvus
2012-02-10 05:58:44 PM
Then why does this say he only has 8 delegates?

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates
 
Corvus
2012-02-10 06:01:18 PM
urban.derelict: Car_Ramrod: How else does this happen:

Look at the state. Colorado.

What's one of Paul's big campaign promises? To end... not only the Federal Reserve, but also the 'war on (some) drugs.'

http://legalize2012.com/ may be relevant to your interests.

And he supports DOMA a federal law that doesn't recognize gay marriage.

Also he believes states should be able to make laws banning homosexual acts, and can form official religions and ban abortion.

He is not mr. personal freedoms like people like to pretend.

Also his stopping "the war on drugs" would only be on a federal level. Many states would still ban them and he thinks that is ok because he is a confederate not a libertarian.
 
urban.derelict
2012-02-10 06:01:35 PM
But, uh... yeah that would be some really severe media spin; then again, yesterday's headlines stated 'Santorum Sweeps up 3 Primaries' when... there was a primary (binding) and 2 caucuses (not binding).

That's what the article's talking about, suggesting the delegates that the other candidates had won would like, forget to continue to do their duties as delegates for the other candidates.

/spin it to the left (shake shake shake)
//spin it to the right (shake shake shake)
///that's just something SpiceWorld implanted in my brain while I was watching Victoria refuse to crawl through mud in her camo mini-dress
 
A Dark Evil Omen
2012-02-10 06:02:29 PM
Kuoxasar: Tyrone Slothrop: So what's the actual delegate count so far?

According to the Calvinball Rulebook, 3rd Edition:

Mitt Romney: 86
Rick Santorum: Q
Ron Paul: Jay Buhner and a sandwich to be named later
Newt Gingrich: a box filled with bees and disappointment

And the spread between Romney and Santorum is oogie to boogie. It's a tough race.
 
Jacobin
2012-02-10 06:03:55 PM
Car_Ramrod: Am I reading this right? Are they basically saying, "We don't care who the people vote for, RON PAUL supporters know better and will decide for them"?

How else does this happen:

In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.

Wow. 13 votes out of fifty million in the general

This is bad news.... For u know who
 
Corvus
2012-02-10 06:04:27 PM
Tyrone Slothrop: So what's the actual delegate count so far?

Mitt: 94
Santorum: 71
Gingrich: 29
Paul: 8

I'm not sure what this article is counting. Maybe they are counting the "non-pledged" delegates I am not sure.
 
heinekenftw
2012-02-10 06:05:08 PM
Smoking GNU: Summer Glau's Love Slave: Funniest. Election. Ever!

In a sad, depressing, WTF-is-happening-to-the-country kinda way.

I mean, does Obama even have to do anything? The way this is going, they'll still be bickering over who's going to win the nomination long after Obama gets re-elected.
 
Craptastic
2012-02-10 06:05:43 PM
subby: Ron Paul is quietly amassing delegates.

No he isn't.

Stop snickering

No sir. I will not. *tee hee hee*
 
Car_Ramrod
2012-02-10 06:08:09 PM
heinekenftw: Smoking GNU: Summer Glau's Love Slave: Funniest. Election. Ever!

In a sad, depressing, WTF-is-happening-to-the-country kinda way.

I mean, does Obama even have to do anything? The way this is going, they'll still be bickering over who's going to win the nomination long after Obama gets re-elected.

img703.imageshack.us
 
urban.derelict
2012-02-10 06:08:31 PM
Corvus: urban.derelict: Car_Ramrod: How else does this happen:

Look at the state. Colorado.

What's one of Paul's big campaign promises? To end... not only the Federal Reserve, but also the 'war on (some) drugs.'

http://legalize2012.com/ may be relevant to your interests.

And he supports DOMA a federal law that doesn't recognize gay marriage.

Also he believes states should be able to make laws banning homosexual acts, and can form official religions and ban abortion.

He is not mr. personal freedoms like people like to pretend.

Also his stopping "the war on drugs" would only be on a federal level. Many states would still ban them and he thinks that is ok because he is a confederate not a libertarian.

He wants everything left up to the states. And months ago, curiosity struck me so I checked his very campaign website; publicly he claims 'life begins at conception; all we need to do is pass a constitutional amendment saying so,' yeah right, like the House and Senate are going to both approve that for him to sign; it's a red-herring (if i recall college philosophy correctly)

He's staying quiet on the issue because, I believe, it's a non-issue for him, he is simply doing what anyone in his position would do -- like Reagan who campaigned on anti-abortion -- and then never again once elected into office.

He wants everything to be left up to the states. If the southern states never legalize same-sex marriage, that's up to them. Several states have already been legalizing same-sex marriage.

He's trying to deconstruct the monstrosity that is the Federal Government. (And, Constitutionally, he's right; their only jobs are to protect against foreign enemies/invasions and regulate interstate commerce.

If states want to outlaw cocaine and heroin (and don't already have laws on the books) they're free to write them if and when he dissolves the DEA. If states want to outlaw abortion or same-sex marriage, they're free to do that too.
There were no federal police agencies for a reason at the inception of this country; if you read http://tinyurl.com/1mn (i know I post it here a lot) its mentioned how in the 1920s/30s two federal police agencies were created: FBI, FBN (narcotics) (which eventually becomes the DEA)
 
Corvus
2012-02-10 06:10:02 PM
We are confident in gaining a much larger share of delegates than even our impressive showing yesterday indicates. As an example of our campaign's delegate strength, take a look at what has occurred in Colorado:

Colorado is non-binding. Good jorb. (besides I cant even find anything confirming these even non-binding delegate numbers)

I find another delegate count that had higher ones for Paul but they still where way below this article:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/republican_del e gate_count.html

Romney 90
Santorum 44
Gingrich 32
Paul 13
 
urban.derelict
2012-02-10 06:10:06 PM
Corvus: I'm not sure what this article is counting. Maybe they are counting the "non-pledged" delegates I am not sure.

Cacuses =/= primaries. Delegates can pledge their votes but they can be changed at a later time, depending on the RNC. Like I said above, headlines read 'santorum wins 3 primaries' but there was only 1 primary and 2 caucuses yesterday.
 
Corvus
2012-02-10 06:15:03 PM
urban.derelict: He wants everything to be left up to the states. If the southern states never legalize same-sex marriage, that's up to them. Several states have already been legalizing same-sex marriage.

No he doesn't he is a stronger supporter of federally not recognizing same sex marriage.

And believing states can infringe on people's right is a CONFEDERATE not a LIBERTARIAN. Libertarians believe NO GOVERNMENT can infringe on your rights.

Just because you WANT to believe Ron Paul believes something doesn't mean he actually believes it.

urban.derelict: If states want to outlaw abortion or same-sex marriage, they're free to do that too.

But he believes no state should be able to make abortion legal.. He also will not have the federal government recognize same sex marriages even if the state does. This is the ONLY federal definition of marriage that exists.

He is all for states powers unless it's things he doesn't like. He is hypocrite.
 
urban.derelict
2012-02-10 06:17:00 PM
Corvus: Colorado is non-binding. Good jorb.

Yes but they will be binding once the RNC happens/more candidates are whittled out (and Paul's on record saying he has no intention of ever dropping out of this race). It's not a primary, it's a caucs. it's not a vote, it's a popularity poll.
 
Corvus
2012-02-10 06:17:42 PM
urban.derelict: Corvus: I'm not sure what this article is counting. Maybe they are counting the "non-pledged" delegates I am not sure.

Cacuses =/= primaries. Delegates can pledge their votes but they can be changed at a later time, depending on the RNC. Like I said above, headlines read 'santorum wins 3 primaries' but there was only 1 primary and 2 caucuses yesterday.

I like how you quote something I said and then pretend I said something else.

Where did i say a caucus is the same as a primary?
 
Corvus
2012-02-10 06:19:38 PM
urban.derelict: Corvus: Colorado is non-binding. Good jorb.

Yes but they will be binding once the RNC happens/more candidates are whittled out (and Paul's on record saying he has no intention of ever dropping out of this race). It's not a primary, it's a caucs. it's not a vote, it's a popularity poll.

So you are saying no caucuses have binding delegates? (once again you are making up things I never said and trying to make shiat up).
 
urban.derelict
2012-02-10 06:19:45 PM
Corvus: Just because you WANT to believe Ron Paul believes something doesn't mean he actually believes it.

Of course, otherwise I wouldn't have so carefully crafted my sentence to make sure they said exactly what I meant and nothing more.

Corvus: But he believes no state should be able to make abortion legal.

BUT IT'S NOT UP TO THE PRESIDENT to do something like that; states have rights too! Or at least they did before the powers that have been devoted so much time and expertise into consolidating all the power to that suburb south of the original capitol (Philly) called Washington DC.
 
Cup_O_Jo [TotalFark]
2012-02-10 06:21:14 PM
urban.derelict: Corvus: Just because you WANT to believe Ron Paul believes something doesn't mean he actually believes it.

Of course, otherwise I wouldn't have so carefully crafted my sentence to make sure they said exactly what I meant and nothing more.

Corvus: But he believes no state should be able to make abortion legal.

BUT IT'S NOT UP TO THE PRESIDENT to do something like that; states have rights too! Or at least they did before the powers that have been devoted so much time and expertise into consolidating all the power to that suburb south of the original capitol (Philly) called Washington DC.

OH LOOK why am I not surprised Corvus bought the Choice argument.. If people stop biting the bait we will have a better government.
 
NobleHam
2012-02-10 06:21:42 PM
Car_Ramrod: Am I reading this right? Are they basically saying, "We don't care who the people vote for, RON PAUL supporters know better and will decide for them"?

How else does this happen:

In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.

The precinct usually splits the delegates by vote share, but the delegates aren't necessarily selected from the candidate's support base, they're selected from the people with the will and energy to go to the next meeting, so presumably about half of those Ron Paul delegates agreed to support Santorum at the next level of caucuses. Nothing says they HAVE to, but they almost certainly said they would.
 
urban.derelict
2012-02-10 06:23:07 PM
Corvus: I like how you quote something I said and then pretend I said something else.

I'm not claiming you said anything you didn't say! Did i not quote from you directly? I didn't edit any lines after i highlighted something of yours and clicked the 'farkit' button. I'm trying to explain it like I would a moron because a lot of people ARE morons and Fark takes all kinds.

Just because a president doesn't agree with something a state does doesn't give him the right to overpower it. HOWEVER that HAS been happening for the last who-knows-how-long. That's why we have the federal drug schedule; it removes all rights regarding naturally growing drugs from the states and throws them under Federal law.
 
Smackledorfer
2012-02-10 06:23:12 PM
Corvus: urban.derelict: Car_Ramrod: How else does this happen:

Look at the state. Colorado.

What's one of Paul's big campaign promises? To end... not only the Federal Reserve, but also the 'war on (some) drugs.'

http://legalize2012.com/ may be relevant to your interests.

And he supports DOMA a federal law that doesn't recognize gay marriage.

Also he believes states should be able to make laws banning homosexual acts, and can form official religions and ban abortion.

He is not mr. personal freedoms like people like to pretend.

Also his stopping "the war on drugs" would only be on a federal level. Many states would still ban them and he thinks that is ok because he is a confederate not a libertarian.

I'm no states rights guy, but breaking off at the federal level would destroy the war almost entirely. If half the states want to give up revenues and can come up with assloads of cash to get cops fighting drugs, fine. They don't have the pockets of the federal government, they won't be able to sustain the drug war at that point.
 
Desecrated
2012-02-10 06:24:49 PM
urban.derelict: Corvus: urban.derelict: There were no federal police agencies for a reason at the inception of this country ...

There weren't police agencies, correct. But if you farked up, the federal army marched on your dumbass a la Shay's Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion. Which also happen to be two events that showed the Founder's did actually want a strong Federal government.
 
urban.derelict
2012-02-10 06:25:22 PM
Corvus: So you are saying no caucuses have binding delegates?

I'm not making shiat up about you, i'm not pretending you said something you didn't...

Caucuses' opinions are just that! they are OPINIONS, they can be changed; that's why they're not called PRIMARIES! THOSE are committed votes!
 
urban.derelict
2012-02-10 06:27:18 PM
Desecrated: There weren't police agencies, correct.

The FBI and the FBN weren't police agencies? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, CAN I QUOTE YOU ON THAT GOOD SIR?

You trying to tell me you don't think a farking (FEDERAL) FBI agent can arrest, say, ME, a citizen of Pennsylvania?
 
andrewagill
2012-02-10 06:27:35 PM
So let me get this straight.

When Fox News puts up something like this:

i158.photobucket.com

It means that the media is is actually paying attention to the wrong poll information?
 
Corvus
2012-02-10 06:28:59 PM
urban.derelict: BUT IT'S NOT UP TO THE PRESIDENT to do something like that;

Really the president doesn't get to pick Supreme court justices?
Funny I thought they did!urban.derelict: states have rights too!

States have "rights" not powers? Where in the constitution does it mention these "State's rights" exactly?

The whole "State's rights" BS is to give power to state's to infringe rights of the people. Read the history of "state's rights" it has been used to justify slavery, segregation and racist laws.

It's a shame to give a nice name to "bigotry" and "intolerance". Sorry letting a state to say "Blacks are not allowed to..." is some sort of magic right.

PEOPLE have rights. Not governments.
 
urban.derelict
2012-02-10 06:29:26 PM
No i misread what you said, you agreed with me that there were no federal police agencies at the founding of the country. So scratch that argument because it was crossed communication.
 
Smackledorfer
2012-02-10 06:29:41 PM
Cup_O_Jo: urban.derelict: Corvus: Just because you WANT to believe Ron Paul believes something doesn't mean he actually believes it.

Of course, otherwise I wouldn't have so carefully crafted my sentence to make sure they said exactly what I meant and nothing more.

Corvus: But he believes no state should be able to make abortion legal.

BUT IT'S NOT UP TO THE PRESIDENT to do something like that; states have rights too! Or at least they did before the powers that have been devoted so much time and expertise into consolidating all the power to that suburb south of the original capitol (Philly) called Washington DC.

OH LOOK why am I not surprised Corvus bought the Choice argument.. If people stop biting the bait we will have a better government.

You are the worst character ever, cup.
 
Corvus
2012-02-10 06:30:16 PM
urban.derelict: Corvus: So you are saying no caucuses have binding delegates?

I'm not making shiat up about you, i'm not pretending you said something you didn't...

Caucuses' opinions are just that! they are OPINIONS, they can be changed; that's why they're not called PRIMARIES! THOSE are committed votes!

can you answer my question then? Are you saying caucuses can't have binding delegates?
 
urban.derelict
2012-02-10 06:33:10 PM
Corvus: States have "rights" not powers? Where in the constitution does it mention these "State's rights" exactly?

THE 10TH farkING AMENDMENT, DICKBAG!

/don't get stupid 'oh i said "constitution" not 'bill of rights' derp derp", please. They're both legally binding documents.

The Bill of Rights limits...not the people, the Bill of Rights limits the Federal Government. The Constitution... what does the constitution do? It's a founding document but it ain't no short list of 10 laws to prohibit the Federal Government from overstepping the bounds conceived by the Founders. Doesn't it explain how the various federal offices will be run? Doesn't it determind the time periods between elections, what's required for colonies to become states, etc?
 
Desecrated
2012-02-10 06:33:58 PM
urban.derelict: Desecrated: There weren't police agencies, correct.

The FBI and the FBN weren't police agencies? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, CAN I QUOTE YOU ON THAT GOOD SIR?

You trying to tell me you don't think a farking (FEDERAL) FBI agent can arrest, say, ME, a citizen of Pennsylvania?

Step back from the bong and read your own quote. You said there were no police agencies at the inception of this country, a proposition I agreed with. I then went on a bit further to explain that your point is irrelevant because it was a federal army marching on US citizens who got out of line, not a police force.

Farking history, how does it work?
 
Corvus
2012-02-10 06:34:47 PM
urban.derelict: Just because a president doesn't agree with something a state does doesn't give him the right to overpower it.

Then why is it ok for Ron Paul to want to stop gay marriage at the federal level?

And why is it ok for Ron Paul to believe that abortion should be banned federally?

So then you are saying salvery should be decided at the state level? For what matters are our civil rights protected from state law? Just the ones you and Ron Paul like? But one's like Gay marriage or not being discriminated legally because of our color or religion, states can discriminate against fully because according to you and him "state's right" trump the rights of actual people.
 
cenobyte40k
2012-02-10 06:35:14 PM
I want him to help shape the Republican message. Some of his stuff is crazy, but the stuff people generally love is not really that crazy. End the war on drugs, reduce the size of government, give some of the federal power back to the states, bring many troops home and reduce military spending. If there was a smart republican candidate in the bunch they would use those issues that people seem to like and use them as their own. Paul looses people when you get into his message past those well liked issues. They might give Obama a race where he has to listen to the people in order to get elected again.
 
Corvus
2012-02-10 06:36:03 PM
urban.derelict: Corvus: States have "rights" not powers? Where in the constitution does it mention these "State's rights" exactly?

THE 10TH farkING AMENDMENT, DICKBAG!

/don't get stupid 'oh i said "constitution" not 'bill of rights' derp derp", please. They're both legally binding documents.

The Bill of Rights limits...not the people, the Bill of Rights limits the Federal Government. The Constitution... what does the constitution do? It's a founding document but it ain't no short list of 10 laws to prohibit the Federal Government from overstepping the bounds conceived by the Founders. Doesn't it explain how the various federal offices will be run? Doesn't it determind the time periods between elections, what's required for colonies to become states, etc?

Can you cut and paste where it says "State's rights" in the 10th amendment?
 
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