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2012-02-10 02:36:02 PM
3 votes:

Antimatter: The problem is the internet generation has no morals or ethics, because they no they won't be caught. they have an entitlement complex about everything digital, and see no value in such items.

Eventually, this will lead to the death of the anonymous internet, once governments decide that's the only way to properly tract and detect cyber criminals.


Not sure if trolling or stupid.

There's been countless studies showing that if you provide content people want, at a price they're comfortable with, in the way they desire, they'll line up for the chance to pay you for it. When you charge them exorbitant prices for less content than ever, and limit the ways in which it can be accessed and forcing consumers to jump through hoops to access the content, when the alternative is "just download the farking thing in 10 minutes", you won't be able to compete.

The issue with your bottom line is that you're pissing off your consumers. That's why they're pirating. If I buy a DVD, I have to watch the FBI piracy warning (I'm Canadian. It doesn't apply to me, at all, even a little.), watch mandatory previews that I probably have already seen since they're previews for movies hitting DVD shelves, not entering theaters, and probably watch an add for the publishing company's catalogue or even a blu-ray commercial.

If you were providing the stuff to me for free, and that's why I had to sit through unskippable commercials, fine. Charging me more than double what it would have cost to see it in theaters for the privilege of unskippable bullshiat, and my choice is being made for me. By you. You're treating me like a dick, so fark you, I'll go pirate something that doesn't make me feel both guilty and annoyed for having purchased and viewed it.
2012-02-10 02:11:14 PM
3 votes:
CSB time:

I just returned the LG blu-ray drive I bought from Best Buy weeks ago. Why because I cant play Blu-Ray movies with it. First PowerDVD complained that I was using a VGA cable which does not support DRM. After replacing the VGA cable with a HDMI cable Power DVD gave some vague error about 'being under attack' and refused to play any Blu-Ray disk I tried. Again a DRM issue.

However a ripped HD movie plays with no problem.

Bottom line:
Legally buy a Blu-Ray disk = cant play it.
Download a ripped movie = No problem
2012-02-11 03:07:33 AM
2 votes:

chewy milk: haha screw the haters i think best in the world is hilarious


I'm impressed with the amount of
time it would take someone smart enough to fake those posts to construct those posts. Based on the volume of spam, they not only do it well, they do it frequently. It's a conundrum of stupidity wrapped in a layer of sock genius I've never seen.

Based on the name, I'm guessing a CM Punk fan, inspired by the fWc stylings of a poster like smiths, but not smiths.

Vey entertaining, none the less.
2012-02-10 07:26:51 PM
2 votes:

Dired: But if you make it harder, even just a little bit harder, they lazy will find something else to do and the stupid will be easily caught.


Better yet, if you make downloading LEGIT copies of the movie easier and cheaper, just a little bit easier and cheaper, people with any sort of disposable income at all (read: most adults) will happily PAY YOU for your content and skip pirating altogether for that same reason - they're lazy.

Hordes of people pay for legitimate copies of songs now because you can buy them for 99 cents and fully own the things (no DRM). $20 or $15 for a CD full of songs no one wants just to get the single wasn't market-bearable prices, that was the problem.

Well, movies and TV face the same issues. Media doesn't have to be FREE. But it needs to be reasonably priced and easy to get (that means fark the market segmentation bullshiat too).

Lots of people sign up for Netflix and the like already - why? Because it's not too expensive for most normally employed people who watch a decent amount of movies, and it's EASY, there's no dealing with virus ridden skeevy websites constantly changing their name all the time or worrying if the movie you get will cut out in the middle.

Make some truly international version (or versions, but allowing people to sign up from any location) of that with wide catalogs and you're golden.
2012-02-10 06:56:03 PM
2 votes:
Funny, one can undetectably "record" streaming audio off sites like Spotify at high bitrates using programs like Audio Hijack and have a high quality totally DRM free copy of basically any recorded music in an instant. Videos are fairly easy to get on torrents if you use unsecured wifis, like at internet cafes. And there are literally thousands of locker sites in Korea and Japan to stash files. So why do people care about shiat sites like Megaupload?
2012-02-10 02:41:25 PM
2 votes:

Antimatter: The problem is the internet generation has no morals or ethics, because they no they won't be caught. they have an entitlement complex about everything digital, and see no value in such items.


Eh, yes and no. A very large part of piracy is a symptom of poorly served markets, and could be solved by not treating your customers like slaves and/or criminals.

Yes, there are people and groups that actually put out fake copies of products and sell them as if they are real. Yes, this should be illegal. That is a legitimate problem. One I feel can be largely addressed by making the real products as accessible and as affordable as the knockoffs - but nobody ever seems to consider that option.

As for digital piracy, the number of times I've downloaded cracks and pirate versions of games and software I legitimately purchased outnumbers the times I've downloaded same just because I didn't feel like paying for it. Obnoxious copy protections/DRM and companies terminating their authorization services being the primary motivations. Meanwhile, I've given money to companies whose products are free because I felt they were worth paying for, and they didn't give me a hard time about using the free versions.

This isn't about piracy, and it never really was. It's about control. The movie and music industries have had nearly a century where they controlled the means of production and delivery. The internet and inexpensive computing power have put those means into the hands of anybody who wants it, often with adequate free time and willingness to learn being the only barriers to entry.

Rather than modify their business models to keep up with a changing marketplace, they lobby governments to pass hilariously ineffective, draconian laws which only make things worse for everyone.

Calling it an "entitlement complex" belies a very flawed and limited view of the problem.
=Smidge=
2012-02-11 01:23:44 AM
1 votes:
you know...these movie and record companies have been stealing revenues from the people who create, make, work in and around the creation of the "product" for years.

artists, craftspeople etc...

Lucas telling David Prowse that Star Wars never "recouped" is a fantastic example...

Link (new window)

the recording artists ripped off are too many to count.

both businesses are run largely by crooks and thieves with connections to the mob families via booze, bootlegging, hedge funds, venture capitol or parented by larger legislated big crime..err..corporations...

so...by adopting a properly accountable "product to purchaser" model, they can't rig the game any more. they can't skim. they can't screw the artist. they can't price fix.

another fine example was a record company that bought up its own crap so it went "gold" on the charts and then down sold it to retailers at a loss so they could write it all off against a seller that they might have to pay tax on...

it went from one warehouse to another. who paid for that? the artists did. "we went gold, how come we are broke?"

that's just one example of the depth that is missing from the "property" component of these discussions...

the big dinosaurs are smelling the spark plugs and trying to get a quick cash grab in before it's totally gone. the 360 deals, the comcast deals etc...live nation etc etc...


the pea is still there..it's just under a different cup.

again, this is more about domestic surveillance without a court order than it is about illegal downloading... read up..it's all out there...

on the internet.....


CARRIER LOS..........
2012-02-11 01:02:47 AM
1 votes:
Let it first be said that I pirate like a mofo.

Now...

If you keep stealing (you're depriving them of potential, a viable business asset and taking their intellectual property - even if only a copy and not depriving them of the original so don't quibble the language, man up and admit it) they get mad. It only stands to reason.

Meh... I can afford to buy stuff. Screw 'em. Pirating is easier and I'm lazy these days.
2012-02-11 12:38:09 AM
1 votes:
Why hasn't anyone blamed piracy on income disparity? Anyone? Anyone?
2012-02-10 09:30:09 PM
1 votes:
Piracy still happens, but access to third-party mod files to games are no longer available. Files that are not illegal or copyright violations due to fair use and the fact that they are useless unless a person has the proprietary game programming. And so I'm annoyed since I cannot play the Warhammer 40K mod for Operation Flashpoint Resistance because my hard-drive crashed a year ago.
2012-02-10 09:27:45 PM
1 votes:

DigitalCoffee: Remember the DVD season bundles of X-Files, Star Trek, Dr Who, etc all for the low low price of $100 per farking season? fark T H A T !!!


SRSLY. I have to laugh when I'm watching my (pirated!!) TV downloads, at the end of the episode they always have a little ad where characters from the show hold up either the DVD or else some ad for the "online streaming!!!" services where "you can watch this episode!" except of course I can't because I'm in the wrong country.

...though some of the pure streaming stuff now I CAN do legally, if we just ignore the fact that my computer isn't physically positioned where I claim it is. I'm accessing legal streams, I just used a fake ID to get into the theater. Meaning that technically I did pay to see the show, but I paid some random middleman rather than the TV station.
2012-02-10 08:40:01 PM
1 votes:
Not to mention WinMX/WinNY/Share...

Or speaking of "tha flea," we used to rent VHS videos of TV at the supermarket all the time, some guy would record all the TV to VHS from some huge dish (in the US, as the tapes were US-market) and rent the things for $2/week or so, all the markets had them. That converted over to DVD eventually, same story. Go to an ethnic market with shoppers from Country X background, rent tapes/DVDs of any TV you want from Country X. Obviously you need to speak the language of Country X.

Those services have fallen off (at least by me) now just because people can all DIY at home, but there's always been markets for "pirated TV" that people simply can't get otherwise due to location.
2012-02-10 08:30:25 PM
1 votes:

MacWizard:
I didn't assert the validity of it, just quoted the headline. Kazaa was decentralized -- and didn't require Facebook. It was not unstoppable, either.


Erm... they might of sued the company in to oblivion, same with Limewire, but the underlying network is (or was) still functional. gNutella in the case of Limewire.
2012-02-10 08:22:34 PM
1 votes:
'Who wants music in there head?
torrentfreak.com

\Yar har fiddle dee dee
2012-02-10 07:49:00 PM
1 votes:

degenerate-afro: MacWizard: Saberus Terras: Hell, I wouldn't have been surprised if they reported incidents of piracy spiked after MegaUpload was shut down, as the internet community gave the US gov't a gargantuan collective middle finger.

What they did report (linked on the same page) is a totally decentralized "Unstoppable file-sharing network".

Facebook required? Umm.... yeah. Unstoppable.


I didn't assert the validity of it, just quoted the headline. Kazaa was decentralized -- and didn't require Facebook. It was not unstoppable, either.
2012-02-10 07:21:58 PM
1 votes:
The studios are forcing me to download some movies. I want to watch them legitimately. I've been waiting patiently for them to be streamed on Netflix. But those bastards simply won't let Netflix stream them. They are DVD only. Here's a hint. The people who want to make illegal copies prefer to rent the DVD and rip it directly. It has better quality than capturing the streaming movie.

Here's a short list of some of the movies I've been waiting to watch: Inglorious Basterds, Idiocracy, Avatar. There's more, but those are what I can think of immediately. No, I won't buy them. I never buy movies that I have never seen. I buy movies that impress me enough to want to own so I can watch it at my convenience in the future.

So both the arguments for not streaming are not valid. It's not hurting their sales because I won't buy before I view. It's not preventing illegal copying because the people who copy use the DVD. So that leaves only one possible reason. The are farking morons.
2012-02-10 06:25:27 PM
1 votes:
dl.dropbox.com
2012-02-10 05:34:32 PM
1 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Best In The World: "To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace." - Tacitus


& that's just it homie. U'll neva stop it cuz it's like vapor. It comez in all forms. Since I was out tha crib ppl @ the flea market been sellin pirate VHS tapes of movies while they still in the theater. Then they sold DVDs. Actually, they still do & those Chinese ppl are ballin. They have 1 of the nicest tables @ tha flea & I kno cuz I work summers @ tha flea. For realz, if ur a Chinese immigrant u have 2 choices in New Jersey. Collect canz & return them in NYC (cuz we ain't got redemption in tha Jerz) or sell pirate DVDs. Let's do tha mathz:

1 can = 5 cents
1 DVD = $10 = 200 cans

U know how many goddamn cans a china man has 2 push across tha GW Bridge in order to make what he could sitting behind a table @ tha flea? Yo, & this is just physical items. I'm not even spitting on the internet business. Yo, trying 2 stop that iz like trying to build a dam in tha middle of tha Atlantic ocean.

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Excuse me, stewardess. I speak jive.
2012-02-10 04:55:09 PM
1 votes:

the_sidewinder: Quasar: Just because it didn't magically eliminate piracy doesn't mean they shouldn't have shut it down.

I think the point is that they are spending a lot of time/effort/money on putting a bandaid on a problem that you can never completely eliminate, and that altering some of your business practices might have a larger impact on piracy rates than shutting down a single site would


Not to mention the fact that the "piracy" really does not hurt their bottom line and potentially even helps it. If this were not true media companies would have died when people made tape/cd/dvd copies of media in the past. Quite the opposite has happened as their industries have expanded tremendously. Also, the vast majority of people who "pirate" content would not have spent money on the content in the first place. If they were using "pirated" content to make money then I would have a major issue... but there are already laws for that. I also submit that the increased exposure can cause more real viewers / purchases of said content if the content turns out to actually be good.

I am not justifying "piracy" as I agree people are entitled to payment for their work. However, I think a major problem with the entire system is the fact that Media companies in general have their own separate rules that completely alienate consumer protections vs bad and/or misleading products. If I walk into walmart and purchase a chair and it is a terrible chair which is not comfortable at all but not defective I can still go back into walmart and return it. If I purchase a CD/DVD/Game from walmart, open the box, install the software and play it for the same period of time as I gave the chair a "test drive" I cannot return it even if I came to the same conclusion with the "media". Until media has the same general principles as the purchase of other goods then I do not see "Piracy" declining in the least.
2012-02-10 04:11:43 PM
1 votes:

Saberus Terras: Hell, I wouldn't have been surprised if they reported incidents of piracy spiked after MegaUpload was shut down, as the internet community gave the US gov't a gargantuan collective middle finger.


What they did report (linked on the same page) is a totally decentralized "Unstoppable file-sharing network".
2012-02-10 04:11:35 PM
1 votes:
btjunkie.org shut down too...I have no idea where to go for stuffs!


/legit stuffs only, of course.
2012-02-10 03:38:24 PM
1 votes:

Thorak: Antimatter: The problem is the internet generation has no morals or ethics, because they no they won't be caught. they have an entitlement complex about everything digital, and see no value in such items.

Eventually, this will lead to the death of the anonymous internet, once governments decide that's the only way to properly tract and detect cyber criminals.

Not sure if trolling or stupid.

There's been countless studies showing that if you provide content people want, at a price they're comfortable with, in the way they desire, they'll line up for the chance to pay you for it. When you charge them exorbitant prices for less content than ever, and limit the ways in which it can be accessed and forcing consumers to jump through hoops to access the content, when the alternative is "just download the farking thing in 10 minutes", you won't be able to compete.

The issue with your bottom line is that you're pissing off your consumers. That's why they're pirating. If I buy a DVD, I have to watch the FBI piracy warning (I'm Canadian. It doesn't apply to me, at all, even a little.), watch mandatory previews that I probably have already seen since they're previews for movies hitting DVD shelves, not entering theaters, and probably watch an add for the publishing company's catalogue or even a blu-ray commercial.

If you were providing the stuff to me for free, and that's why I had to sit through unskippable commercials, fine. Charging me more than double what it would have cost to see it in theaters for the privilege of unskippable bullshiat, and my choice is being made for me. By you. You're treating me like a dick, so fark you, I'll go pirate something that doesn't make me feel both guilty and annoyed for having purchased and viewed it.


Very well said. I feel the exact same.
I'm also Canadian, and we went to blockbuster quite a bit. Rented blu-rays too. Now that they've closed down, there is literally no option. Netflix is a joke. I could rent over the xbox, but it concerns me what happens if the connection drops in the middle of a 'rental'. And $8 bucks?? For 24 hours worth? fark that.

When the local blockbuster was closing we went to check out the 'sales'. Battle: LA on blu-ray. Fantastic movie. Price? $19.
I paid $15 to see it on a screen two stories tall. Why on earth would I pay more than that to watch it at home?

I can fire up revtt and have anything I want in mere minutes. Why can't each movie production company just do that? Set up a site where they list all their movies in a long list, charge people for downloading them. And charge them less than you would for a disc, because the physical disc cost is gone. I would do that in a second. Here, consumer, here's a gigantic spreadsheet list of all our stuff. Click to pay us $3 bucks and download the DivX.
2012-02-10 03:05:05 PM
1 votes:

McManus_brothers: I'd like to thank all the asshats in this thread who insist on quoting Best in the World, thus making my blocking of his stupidity completely pointless.


Asshat? The only asshat here is the guy who doesn't realize there's a check box to block quotes of ignored users in their preferences.

Now go check your preferences so you stop looking like an asshat.
2012-02-10 02:52:29 PM
1 votes:
Well no, it won't put a dent in piracy. But I believe they smacked Megaupload for a whole plethora of reasons other than just hosting copyrighted content. The charges included all sorts of drug and illegal money laundering related items IIRC.
2012-02-10 02:49:51 PM
1 votes:
I'd like to thank all the asshats in this thread who insist on quoting Best in the World, thus making my blocking of his stupidity completely pointless.
2012-02-10 02:46:36 PM
1 votes:

Barfmaker: So...you'll have the fish?


Stewardess, I speak jive.
2012-02-10 02:42:31 PM
1 votes:
The whole cadre of the RIAA, MPAA, etc., are having a real hard time with a very simple concept.

The internet, as a collective, is faster, smarter, more adaptable, and more innovative than they can ever be.

Anything the Associations do just makes that difference more pronounced in the long term as the collective routes around the new obstacle. That's why they're losing more ground every year, and that's why they'll be buried unless they change their practices.

/I don't pirate anything anymore because I have the means to buy the media I want at what I consider a fair price. The Associations could make money if they enabled more people to do the same, but they don't and won't.
2012-02-10 02:35:39 PM
1 votes:
The Internet was designed to survive World War III itself, and most of the peabrains trying to censor and control it actually think it's some tubes.
2012-02-10 02:15:49 PM
1 votes:
I love their logic. Taking down a site that hosts x% of pirate traffic will cause piracy to fall x%. Only complete dumbasses think that way.
2012-02-10 01:55:38 PM
1 votes:
Hell, I wouldn't have been surprised if they reported incidents of piracy spiked after MegaUpload was shut down, as the internet community gave the US gov't a gargantuan collective middle finger.
2012-02-10 01:52:34 PM
1 votes:

Best In The World: "To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace." - Tacitus


& that's just it homie. U'll neva stop it cuz it's like vapor. It comez in all forms. Since I was out tha crib ppl @ the flea market been sellin pirate VHS tapes of movies while they still in the theater. Then they sold DVDs. Actually, they still do & those Chinese ppl are ballin. They have 1 of the nicest tables @ tha flea & I kno cuz I work summers @ tha flea. For realz, if ur a Chinese immigrant u have 2 choices in New Jersey. Collect canz & return them in NYC (cuz we ain't got redemption in tha Jerz) or sell pirate DVDs. Let's do tha mathz:

1 can = 5 cents
1 DVD = $10 = 200 cans

U know how many goddamn cans a china man has 2 push across tha GW Bridge in order to make what he could sitting behind a table @ tha flea? Yo, & this is just physical items. I'm not even spitting on the internet business. Yo, trying 2 stop that iz like trying to build a dam in tha middle of tha Atlantic ocean.


I am a peaceful man. But I want to kill you 100 times for that post.
2012-02-10 01:51:49 PM
1 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com
2012-02-10 01:41:08 PM
1 votes:
In protest of piracy not shutting down I'm going to pirate a movie about pirates tonight
2012-02-10 01:39:22 PM
1 votes:
No shiat, Sherlock.
 
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