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2012-02-10 01:39:22 PM  
No shiat, Sherlock.
 
2012-02-10 01:41:08 PM  
In protest of piracy not shutting down I'm going to pirate a movie about pirates tonight
 
2012-02-10 01:41:10 PM  
storage.canoe.ca
 
2012-02-10 01:42:00 PM  
Changed my mind. I'm going to pirate a movie about ninjas. For the lulz
 
2012-02-10 01:47:42 PM  
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2012-02-10 01:51:37 PM  
The problem is the internet generation has no morals or ethics, because they no they won't be caught. they have an entitlement complex about everything digital, and see no value in such items.

Eventually, this will lead to the death of the anonymous internet, once governments decide that's the only way to properly tract and detect cyber criminals.
 
2012-02-10 01:51:49 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-02-10 01:52:34 PM  

Best In The World: "To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace." - Tacitus


& that's just it homie. U'll neva stop it cuz it's like vapor. It comez in all forms. Since I was out tha crib ppl @ the flea market been sellin pirate VHS tapes of movies while they still in the theater. Then they sold DVDs. Actually, they still do & those Chinese ppl are ballin. They have 1 of the nicest tables @ tha flea & I kno cuz I work summers @ tha flea. For realz, if ur a Chinese immigrant u have 2 choices in New Jersey. Collect canz & return them in NYC (cuz we ain't got redemption in tha Jerz) or sell pirate DVDs. Let's do tha mathz:

1 can = 5 cents
1 DVD = $10 = 200 cans

U know how many goddamn cans a china man has 2 push across tha GW Bridge in order to make what he could sitting behind a table @ tha flea? Yo, & this is just physical items. I'm not even spitting on the internet business. Yo, trying 2 stop that iz like trying to build a dam in tha middle of tha Atlantic ocean.


I am a peaceful man. But I want to kill you 100 times for that post.
 
2012-02-10 01:53:24 PM  

Best In The World: "To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace." - Tacitus


& that's just it homie. U'll neva stop it cuz it's like vapor. It comez in all forms. Since I was out tha crib ppl @ the flea market been sellin pirate VHS tapes of movies while they still in the theater. Then they sold DVDs. Actually, they still do & those Chinese ppl are ballin. They have 1 of the nicest tables @ tha flea & I kno cuz I work summers @ tha flea. For realz, if ur a Chinese immigrant u have 2 choices in New Jersey. Collect canz & return them in NYC (cuz we ain't got redemption in tha Jerz) or sell pirate DVDs. Let's do tha mathz:

1 can = 5 cents
1 DVD = $10 = 200 cans

U know how many goddamn cans a china man has 2 push across tha GW Bridge in order to make what he could sitting behind a table @ tha flea? Yo, & this is just physical items. I'm not even spitting on the internet business. Yo, trying 2 stop that iz like trying to build a dam in tha middle of tha Atlantic ocean.


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-02-10 01:55:38 PM  
Hell, I wouldn't have been surprised if they reported incidents of piracy spiked after MegaUpload was shut down, as the internet community gave the US gov't a gargantuan collective middle finger.
 
2012-02-10 01:55:56 PM  

Best In The World: "To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace." - Tacitus


& that's just it homie. U'll neva stop it cuz it's like vapor. It comez in all forms. Since I was out tha crib ppl @ the flea market been sellin pirate VHS tapes of movies while they still in the theater. Then they sold DVDs. Actually, they still do & those Chinese ppl are ballin. They have 1 of the nicest tables @ tha flea & I kno cuz I work summers @ tha flea. For realz, if ur a Chinese immigrant u have 2 choices in New Jersey. Collect canz & return them in NYC (cuz we ain't got redemption in tha Jerz) or sell pirate DVDs. Let's do tha mathz:

1 can = 5 cents
1 DVD = $10 = 200 cans

U know how many goddamn cans a china man has 2 push across tha GW Bridge in order to make what he could sitting behind a table @ tha flea? Yo, & this is just physical items. I'm not even spitting on the internet business. Yo, trying 2 stop that iz like trying to build a dam in tha middle of tha Atlantic ocean.


I don't think I've ever felt older or more crotchety than I did while reading this.
 
2012-02-10 02:03:52 PM  
Just because it didn't magically eliminate piracy doesn't mean they shouldn't have shut it down.
 
2012-02-10 02:11:14 PM  
CSB time:

I just returned the LG blu-ray drive I bought from Best Buy weeks ago. Why because I cant play Blu-Ray movies with it. First PowerDVD complained that I was using a VGA cable which does not support DRM. After replacing the VGA cable with a HDMI cable Power DVD gave some vague error about 'being under attack' and refused to play any Blu-Ray disk I tried. Again a DRM issue.

However a ripped HD movie plays with no problem.

Bottom line:
Legally buy a Blu-Ray disk = cant play it.
Download a ripped movie = No problem
 
2012-02-10 02:11:43 PM  

Quasar: Just because it didn't magically eliminate piracy doesn't mean they shouldn't have shut it down.


I think the point is that they are spending a lot of time/effort/money on putting a bandaid on a problem that you can never completely eliminate, and that altering some of your business practices might have a larger impact on piracy rates than shutting down a single site would
 
2012-02-10 02:13:40 PM  

pdee: CSB time:

I just returned the LG blu-ray drive I bought from Best Buy weeks ago. Why because I cant play Blu-Ray movies with it. First PowerDVD complained that I was using a VGA cable which does not support DRM. After replacing the VGA cable with a HDMI cable Power DVD gave some vague error about 'being under attack' and refused to play any Blu-Ray disk I tried. Again a DRM issue.

However a ripped HD movie plays with no problem.

Bottom line:
Legally buy a Blu-Ray disk = cant play it.
Download a ripped movie = No problem


I had a similar issue, I found a bit of software that disabled the DRM, simply so I could watch a damn movie
 
2012-02-10 02:14:26 PM  

Quasar: Just because it didn't magically eliminate piracy doesn't mean they shouldn't have shut it down.



I understand the point you are trying to make, but I think its worth noting that its not a situation where people are saying because it didnt eliminate piracy it was worth doing, actually, it didnt even slow down or reduce piracy at all. the headline actually somewhat conceals that part in favor of snark.
 
2012-02-10 02:14:55 PM  

Quasar: Just because it didn't magicallyeli minate piracy

accomplish anything doesn't mean they shouldn't have shut it down.

FTFY
 
2012-02-10 02:15:49 PM  
I love their logic. Taking down a site that hosts x% of pirate traffic will cause piracy to fall x%. Only complete dumbasses think that way.
 
2012-02-10 02:27:52 PM  

the_sidewinder: Quasar: Just because it didn't magically eliminate piracy doesn't mean they shouldn't have shut it down.

I think the point is that they are spending a lot of time/effort/money on putting a bandaid on a problem that you can never completely eliminate, and that altering some of your business practices might have a larger impact on piracy rates than shutting down a single site would


Fair enough.
 
2012-02-10 02:31:00 PM  
BITW - Word.
 
2012-02-10 02:35:39 PM  
The Internet was designed to survive World War III itself, and most of the peabrains trying to censor and control it actually think it's some tubes.
 
2012-02-10 02:36:02 PM  

Antimatter: The problem is the internet generation has no morals or ethics, because they no they won't be caught. they have an entitlement complex about everything digital, and see no value in such items.

Eventually, this will lead to the death of the anonymous internet, once governments decide that's the only way to properly tract and detect cyber criminals.


Not sure if trolling or stupid.

There's been countless studies showing that if you provide content people want, at a price they're comfortable with, in the way they desire, they'll line up for the chance to pay you for it. When you charge them exorbitant prices for less content than ever, and limit the ways in which it can be accessed and forcing consumers to jump through hoops to access the content, when the alternative is "just download the farking thing in 10 minutes", you won't be able to compete.

The issue with your bottom line is that you're pissing off your consumers. That's why they're pirating. If I buy a DVD, I have to watch the FBI piracy warning (I'm Canadian. It doesn't apply to me, at all, even a little.), watch mandatory previews that I probably have already seen since they're previews for movies hitting DVD shelves, not entering theaters, and probably watch an add for the publishing company's catalogue or even a blu-ray commercial.

If you were providing the stuff to me for free, and that's why I had to sit through unskippable commercials, fine. Charging me more than double what it would have cost to see it in theaters for the privilege of unskippable bullshiat, and my choice is being made for me. By you. You're treating me like a dick, so fark you, I'll go pirate something that doesn't make me feel both guilty and annoyed for having purchased and viewed it.
 
2012-02-10 02:41:25 PM  

Antimatter: The problem is the internet generation has no morals or ethics, because they no they won't be caught. they have an entitlement complex about everything digital, and see no value in such items.


Eh, yes and no. A very large part of piracy is a symptom of poorly served markets, and could be solved by not treating your customers like slaves and/or criminals.

Yes, there are people and groups that actually put out fake copies of products and sell them as if they are real. Yes, this should be illegal. That is a legitimate problem. One I feel can be largely addressed by making the real products as accessible and as affordable as the knockoffs - but nobody ever seems to consider that option.

As for digital piracy, the number of times I've downloaded cracks and pirate versions of games and software I legitimately purchased outnumbers the times I've downloaded same just because I didn't feel like paying for it. Obnoxious copy protections/DRM and companies terminating their authorization services being the primary motivations. Meanwhile, I've given money to companies whose products are free because I felt they were worth paying for, and they didn't give me a hard time about using the free versions.

This isn't about piracy, and it never really was. It's about control. The movie and music industries have had nearly a century where they controlled the means of production and delivery. The internet and inexpensive computing power have put those means into the hands of anybody who wants it, often with adequate free time and willingness to learn being the only barriers to entry.

Rather than modify their business models to keep up with a changing marketplace, they lobby governments to pass hilariously ineffective, draconian laws which only make things worse for everyone.

Calling it an "entitlement complex" belies a very flawed and limited view of the problem.
=Smidge=
 
2012-02-10 02:42:31 PM  
The whole cadre of the RIAA, MPAA, etc., are having a real hard time with a very simple concept.

The internet, as a collective, is faster, smarter, more adaptable, and more innovative than they can ever be.

Anything the Associations do just makes that difference more pronounced in the long term as the collective routes around the new obstacle. That's why they're losing more ground every year, and that's why they'll be buried unless they change their practices.

/I don't pirate anything anymore because I have the means to buy the media I want at what I consider a fair price. The Associations could make money if they enabled more people to do the same, but they don't and won't.
 
2012-02-10 02:43:02 PM  

Best In The World: & that's just it homie. U'll neva stop it cuz it's like vapor. It comez in all forms. Since I was out tha crib ppl @ the flea market been sellin pirate VHS tapes of movies while they still in the theater. Then they sold DVDs. Actually, they still do & those Chinese ppl are ballin. They have 1 of the nicest tables @ tha flea & I kno cuz I work summers @ tha flea. For realz, if ur a Chinese immigrant u have 2 choices in New Jersey. Collect canz & return them in NYC (cuz we ain't got redemption in tha Jerz) or sell pirate DVDs. Let's do tha mathz:

1 can = 5 cents
1 DVD = $10 = 200 cans

U know how many goddamn cans a china man has 2 push across tha GW Bridge in order to make what he could sitting behind a table @ tha flea? Yo, & this is just physical items. I'm not even spitting on the internet business. Yo, trying 2 stop that iz like trying to build a dam in tha middle of tha Atlantic ocean.


So...you'll have the fish?
 
2012-02-10 02:46:36 PM  

Barfmaker: So...you'll have the fish?


Stewardess, I speak jive.
 
2012-02-10 02:49:51 PM  
I'd like to thank all the asshats in this thread who insist on quoting Best in the World, thus making my blocking of his stupidity completely pointless.
 
2012-02-10 02:52:29 PM  
Well no, it won't put a dent in piracy. But I believe they smacked Megaupload for a whole plethora of reasons other than just hosting copyrighted content. The charges included all sorts of drug and illegal money laundering related items IIRC.
 
2012-02-10 03:05:05 PM  

McManus_brothers: I'd like to thank all the asshats in this thread who insist on quoting Best in the World, thus making my blocking of his stupidity completely pointless.


Asshat? The only asshat here is the guy who doesn't realize there's a check box to block quotes of ignored users in their preferences.

Now go check your preferences so you stop looking like an asshat.
 
2012-02-10 03:17:19 PM  
Every time I read a BITW post, I suddenly get the urge to shiat. It's more reliable than taco hell.
 
2012-02-10 03:23:33 PM  
SHUT
THE
F*CK
UP!

No wai...
 
2012-02-10 03:38:24 PM  

Thorak: Antimatter: The problem is the internet generation has no morals or ethics, because they no they won't be caught. they have an entitlement complex about everything digital, and see no value in such items.

Eventually, this will lead to the death of the anonymous internet, once governments decide that's the only way to properly tract and detect cyber criminals.

Not sure if trolling or stupid.

There's been countless studies showing that if you provide content people want, at a price they're comfortable with, in the way they desire, they'll line up for the chance to pay you for it. When you charge them exorbitant prices for less content than ever, and limit the ways in which it can be accessed and forcing consumers to jump through hoops to access the content, when the alternative is "just download the farking thing in 10 minutes", you won't be able to compete.

The issue with your bottom line is that you're pissing off your consumers. That's why they're pirating. If I buy a DVD, I have to watch the FBI piracy warning (I'm Canadian. It doesn't apply to me, at all, even a little.), watch mandatory previews that I probably have already seen since they're previews for movies hitting DVD shelves, not entering theaters, and probably watch an add for the publishing company's catalogue or even a blu-ray commercial.

If you were providing the stuff to me for free, and that's why I had to sit through unskippable commercials, fine. Charging me more than double what it would have cost to see it in theaters for the privilege of unskippable bullshiat, and my choice is being made for me. By you. You're treating me like a dick, so fark you, I'll go pirate something that doesn't make me feel both guilty and annoyed for having purchased and viewed it.


Very well said. I feel the exact same.
I'm also Canadian, and we went to blockbuster quite a bit. Rented blu-rays too. Now that they've closed down, there is literally no option. Netflix is a joke. I could rent over the xbox, but it concerns me what happens if the connection drops in the middle of a 'rental'. And $8 bucks?? For 24 hours worth? fark that.

When the local blockbuster was closing we went to check out the 'sales'. Battle: LA on blu-ray. Fantastic movie. Price? $19.
I paid $15 to see it on a screen two stories tall. Why on earth would I pay more than that to watch it at home?

I can fire up revtt and have anything I want in mere minutes. Why can't each movie production company just do that? Set up a site where they list all their movies in a long list, charge people for downloading them. And charge them less than you would for a disc, because the physical disc cost is gone. I would do that in a second. Here, consumer, here's a gigantic spreadsheet list of all our stuff. Click to pay us $3 bucks and download the DivX.
 
2012-02-10 03:49:02 PM  

Best In The World: "To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace." - Tacitus


& that's just it homie. U'll neva stop it cuz it's like vapor. It comez in all forms. Since I was out tha crib ppl @ the flea market been sellin pirate VHS tapes of movies while they still in the theater. Then they sold DVDs. Actually, they still do & those Chinese ppl are ballin. They have 1 of the nicest tables @ tha flea & I kno cuz I work summers @ tha flea. For realz, if ur a Chinese immigrant u have 2 choices in New Jersey. Collect canz & return them in NYC (cuz we ain't got redemption in tha Jerz) or sell pirate DVDs. Let's do tha mathz:

1 can = 5 cents
1 DVD = $10 = 200 cans

U know how many goddamn cans a china man has 2 push across tha GW Bridge in order to make what he could sitting behind a table @ tha flea? Yo, & this is just physical items. I'm not even spitting on the internet business. Yo, trying 2 stop that iz like trying to build a dam in tha middle of tha Atlantic ocean.


i236.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-10 04:11:35 PM  
btjunkie.org shut down too...I have no idea where to go for stuffs!


/legit stuffs only, of course.
 
2012-02-10 04:11:43 PM  

Saberus Terras: Hell, I wouldn't have been surprised if they reported incidents of piracy spiked after MegaUpload was shut down, as the internet community gave the US gov't a gargantuan collective middle finger.


What they did report (linked on the same page) is a totally decentralized "Unstoppable file-sharing network".
 
2012-02-10 04:30:47 PM  
In my youth, we copied movies on VCR and it was a farking pain. It took the whole time of the movie and the quality went down with every copy.

Today, kids can carry 1TB in their pockets (say 500-1000 movies) and each movie takes maybe a minute or two to copy. Even if you shut down the internet, the sneakernet would keep trading going.

The only thing I regularly pirate is porn. I'm really picky about the porn I like. I actually like some seduction and some heat, not just two sets of genitals going at each other. Occassionally I'll see something that looks interesting, but I reckon 4 times out of 5, I won't rate the scenes. I'm not paying a huge amount of money to get some porn I like. That said, I've found 2 good sources of homemade porn recently which are a) free b) hotter than most of the pro stuff.
 
2012-02-10 04:31:56 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Changed my mind. I'm going to pirate a movie about ninjas. For the lulz


combine pirates (sorta and ninjas) and go grab "Surf Ninjas". Remember that movie, it was great when it came out.
 
2012-02-10 04:35:55 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...:

I don't think I've ever felt older or more crotchety than I did while reading this.


Today was the day that I just couldn't take the obnoxious drivel any longer. Never again... never again. =D
 
2012-02-10 04:36:08 PM  

scottydoesntknow:
Asshat? The only asshat here is the guy who doesn't realize there's a check box to block quotes of ignored users in their preferences.

Now go check your preferences so you stop looking like an asshat.


Actually, it's in the TOOLS portion of Fark, not Preferences (I only post this because I also blocked that moron, but wasn't aware of the check box). :)

Antimatter: The problem is the internet generation has no morals or ethics, because they no they won't be caught. they have an entitlement complex about everything digital, and see no value in such items.


I'm not a part of the internet generation, but, besides some of the other excellent reasons already mentioned (i.e. stupid unskippable adverts on purchased DVD's, etc), I'm tired of constantly paying for format changes. Case in point, I've purchased Highlander on:

VHS - Check
Laserdisc - Check
DVD - Check
Blueray - Nope

I've already paid for the same movie 3x because of technology changes, the movie itself has stayed the same. Why not provide the ability to "own" a digital copy of my existing, extensive DVD library? Oh right, because you want to charge me another $25+ AGAIN to own an "UltraViolet" copy of something I already own. No thanks.

/The first two format purchases should solidify I'm not in the "Internet Generation" you refer to
//Yes, I feel the same way about music format changes
 
2012-02-10 04:36:59 PM  
It may not have slowed down piracy but it did stop me from downloading some new minecraft texture packs
 
2012-02-10 04:39:22 PM  

farkeruk:
The only thing I regularly pirate is porn. I'm really picky about the porn I like. I actually like some seduction and some heat, not just two sets of genitals going at each other.


Just two?

chanarchive.org
 
2012-02-10 04:55:09 PM  

the_sidewinder: Quasar: Just because it didn't magically eliminate piracy doesn't mean they shouldn't have shut it down.

I think the point is that they are spending a lot of time/effort/money on putting a bandaid on a problem that you can never completely eliminate, and that altering some of your business practices might have a larger impact on piracy rates than shutting down a single site would


Not to mention the fact that the "piracy" really does not hurt their bottom line and potentially even helps it. If this were not true media companies would have died when people made tape/cd/dvd copies of media in the past. Quite the opposite has happened as their industries have expanded tremendously. Also, the vast majority of people who "pirate" content would not have spent money on the content in the first place. If they were using "pirated" content to make money then I would have a major issue... but there are already laws for that. I also submit that the increased exposure can cause more real viewers / purchases of said content if the content turns out to actually be good.

I am not justifying "piracy" as I agree people are entitled to payment for their work. However, I think a major problem with the entire system is the fact that Media companies in general have their own separate rules that completely alienate consumer protections vs bad and/or misleading products. If I walk into walmart and purchase a chair and it is a terrible chair which is not comfortable at all but not defective I can still go back into walmart and return it. If I purchase a CD/DVD/Game from walmart, open the box, install the software and play it for the same period of time as I gave the chair a "test drive" I cannot return it even if I came to the same conclusion with the "media". Until media has the same general principles as the purchase of other goods then I do not see "Piracy" declining in the least.
 
2012-02-10 05:20:33 PM  

McManus_brothers: I'd like to thank all the asshats in this thread who insist on quoting Best in the World, thus making my blocking of his stupidity completely pointless.


Or you know, you could select the option to ignore posts quoting ignored users.
 
2012-02-10 05:31:05 PM  

SilentStrider: McManus_brothers: I'd like to thank all the asshats in this thread who insist on quoting Best in the World, thus making my blocking of his stupidity completely pointless.

Or you know, you could select the option to ignore posts quoting ignored users.


What about quotes quoting quotes?

/Quoting quotes quoting quotes quoting quotes quoting quotes quoting quotes
 
2012-02-10 05:34:32 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Best In The World: "To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace." - Tacitus


& that's just it homie. U'll neva stop it cuz it's like vapor. It comez in all forms. Since I was out tha crib ppl @ the flea market been sellin pirate VHS tapes of movies while they still in the theater. Then they sold DVDs. Actually, they still do & those Chinese ppl are ballin. They have 1 of the nicest tables @ tha flea & I kno cuz I work summers @ tha flea. For realz, if ur a Chinese immigrant u have 2 choices in New Jersey. Collect canz & return them in NYC (cuz we ain't got redemption in tha Jerz) or sell pirate DVDs. Let's do tha mathz:

1 can = 5 cents
1 DVD = $10 = 200 cans

U know how many goddamn cans a china man has 2 push across tha GW Bridge in order to make what he could sitting behind a table @ tha flea? Yo, & this is just physical items. I'm not even spitting on the internet business. Yo, trying 2 stop that iz like trying to build a dam in tha middle of tha Atlantic ocean.

[i236.photobucket.com image 347x218]


Excuse me, stewardess. I speak jive.
 
2012-02-10 05:41:06 PM  

MacWizard: Saberus Terras: Hell, I wouldn't have been surprised if they reported incidents of piracy spiked after MegaUpload was shut down, as the internet community gave the US gov't a gargantuan collective middle finger.

What they did report (linked on the same page) is a totally decentralized "Unstoppable file-sharing network".


Facebook required? Umm.... yeah. Unstoppable.
 
2012-02-10 05:43:04 PM  

Best In The World: "To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace." - Tacitus


& that's just it homie. U'll neva stop it cuz it's like vapor. It comez in all forms. Since I was out tha crib ppl @ the flea market been sellin pirate VHS tapes of movies while they still in the theater. Then they sold DVDs. Actually, they still do & those Chinese ppl are ballin. They have 1 of the nicest tables @ tha flea & I kno cuz I work summers @ tha flea. For realz, if ur a Chinese immigrant u have 2 choices in New Jersey. Collect canz & return them in NYC (cuz we ain't got redemption in tha Jerz) or sell pirate DVDs. Let's do tha mathz:

1 can = 5 cents
1 DVD = $10 = 200 cans

U know how many goddamn cans a china man has 2 push across tha GW Bridge in order to make what he could sitting behind a table @ tha flea? Yo, & this is just physical items. I'm not even spitting on the internet business. Yo, trying 2 stop that iz like trying to build a dam in tha middle of tha Atlantic ocean.


LONG time lurker here. I have to say I enjoy your persona so much it actually made me post. (only about the 3rd time in 8 years).

Keep it up
 
2012-02-10 05:49:05 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: In protest of piracy not shutting down I'm going to pirate a movie about pirates tonight


I watched a pirated pirate radio last night.
/high five.
 
2012-02-10 06:22:16 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: In protest of piracy not shutting down I'm going to pirate a movie about pirates tonight


Could I interest you in: Link (new window)
 
2012-02-10 06:25:27 PM  
dl.dropbox.com
 
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