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(Fox 31 Denver)   You're a female air traveler and there's no female TSA agent to screen you? No problem, there's a bus terminal across town. Buh-bye now   (kdvr.com) divider line 232
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2012-02-10 08:52:19 PM  
It's not in the linked article, but other articles do a sightly better job of explaining the circumstances. She arrived at the airport in plenty of time (35 minutes), but saw that her flight was delayed. Rather than go through security and sit near the gate to be ready when boarding started, she left the terminal. (Maybe to have a smoke? Why else would you hang around outside of the terminal in that weather?)

While she was outside, they made the final boarding announcement, which she missed. SkyWest then notified the TSA that they weren't accepting any more passengers. The TSA made two additional announcements asking any remaining passengers to report for screening. Sometime after that, Ms. Winning had an "oh shiat" moment and tried to go through security...but she was too late.

It didn't matter if there was a lady TSA agent available or not...she was already too late for her flight when she got to security and probably thinks she can leverage some sympathy by playing the gender card.
 
2012-02-10 09:29:11 PM  
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2012-02-10 09:30:35 PM  
To be honest, it sounds like Skywest might have made the screw up if they really released TSA. Or TSA jumped the gun and when they heard the counter close, said ok we're out of here. At a lot of small terminals the ticket counter people also handle baggage and Tarmac and gate duties for the flight. In those cases they routinely make a last call for checking in passengers 30-35 min ahead of departure. Then close the ticket counter. It kind of sunds like they didn't take into account passengers having preprinted passes, therefore not needing counter service but still having time to get thought security and to the gate. I fly routinely from airports as small as this or smaller and can arrive 20-30 prior to departure and make the flight. I don't push it like that but could.

/still need to get rid of TSA.
//They Suck A$$
 
2012-02-10 09:40:46 PM  
Would this woman have gotten on her flight if she was male?

Seems strange for the TSA's rules, written for the public's benefit of course, would not be worded so that same-gender pats were available but could be waived and/or if the TSA was unable to provide its screening as planned then one would bypass it. That way if a detector was broken down it wouldn't be the TSA holding citizens hostage.
 
2012-02-10 09:56:06 PM  
Cracks me up. I flew into and out of Rock Springs one time for a project. As the Project Manger said to me as we took off in what he called a 'Flying Electrolux', "There is a pretty girl behind EVERY TREE in Rock Springs!".

Rock springs may not be BFE, but you can see it from there. No trees. Too windy for trees. There may be some pretty places in Wyoming, but Rock Springs ain't it.

35 minutes is plenty early for a 12 pax airplane flight out of podunk usa.

TSA was a dick. Big freaking surprise?
 
2012-02-10 10:21:41 PM  

EasilyDistracted: While she was outside, they made the final boarding announcement, which she missed. SkyWest then notified the TSA that they weren't accepting any more passengers. The TSA made two additional announcements asking any remaining passengers to report for screening. Sometime after that, Ms. Winning had an "oh shiat" moment and tried to go through security...but she was too late.


This makes no sense. The TSA made two additional announcements AFTER SkyWest notified them that they weren't accepting any more passengers??

Sounds like someone's trying to spin it (ie: lie) like they were extra-helpful (We even made two more announcements! Aren't we nice!), and didn't think it through enough.
 
2012-02-10 10:41:08 PM  

redmid17: Bathia_Mapes: James!: biatch you were late.

Yep.

Not to an airport that has six flights daily and where the flight probably wasn't even boarding yet.


FTA..."In small airports, TSA works closely with the airlines and airport to keep the security checkpoints open to ensure that all passengers are screened appropriately.

Once TSA is informed by the airline that our screening services are no longer needed, the security checkpoint is closed. In this instance, SkyWest made final boarding announcements and notified TSA that no additional passengers would be accepted.
 
2012-02-10 10:55:17 PM  

fredklein: EasilyDistracted: While she was outside, they made the final boarding announcement, which she missed. SkyWest then notified the TSA that they weren't accepting any more passengers. The TSA made two additional announcements asking any remaining passengers to report for screening. Sometime after that, Ms. Winning had an "oh shiat" moment and tried to go through security...but she was too late.

This makes no sense. The TSA made two additional announcements AFTER SkyWest notified them that they weren't accepting any more passengers??


Not necessarily. SkyWest could have stopped accepting check ins, and informed security of this. Doesn't mean that security had to stop letting people through at the exact same time if they felt people could be screened and still make the flight.
 
2012-02-10 11:06:16 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: penthesilea: This chick was late, but they shouldn't send every single female home and only leave the guys. They should have at minimum one male TSA & one female TSA on site when the airport is in operation.

The way I read the story, the airport had sent EVERYBODY home, a male TSA agent may have just been there by accident, or maybe we has a manager who could have screened the late passenger if he was not a she, but officially, there were no screeners left in the airport when she got there.


I suspect the guy left behind was actually on duty--to keep people from going through unscreened. Without anyone there a bad guy could walk through, leave his evil devices airside and leave. He then comes back when there's a flight and picks up his evil after clearing security.

Tillmaster: Not sure how it works on Amtrak, but most rails systems work on the principle: turn up at or before the time of departure - board the train.
I travelled across Germany by train, with five-minute 'layovers' at the points where I changed trains, and never missed one.
Trains are cool.


I once boarded a train 70 seconds *AFTER* it pulled out. It was long enough and still going slow enough that there were train cars still going along the platform. Since the train came right up to the platform there wasn't any way to fall on the tracks, running along and jumping aboard was a reasonable thing to do. We weren't the only one doing it by any means, either.

(And to add to it--this was international, the border checkpoint was right there as you went onto the platform. The guy just waved us through. {He did have a chance to see that we had US passports.})

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: 1 hour early if it's a puddle jumper
2 hours early if it's a big airport or heavy travel season
3 or more if it's both a big airport and heavy travel season

/Flew out of Vegas in November
/90 minutes early was cutting it REALLY close - stupid hotel transit


Yeah, 90 would be asking for it in my experience although it always takes us a bit longer--we actually have to check in with the humans. (International.)

Our closest airport arrival was in Shanghai once, 63 minutes. The cutoff was 60. I'm not sure we would have made it if the plane had been on time.

The closest connection was IIRC 20 minutes--and we had to take a shuttle bus as part of the connection (airside, though, we didn't have to reclear security.) We just barely made that one.

EasilyDistracted: It's not in the linked article, but other articles do a sightly better job of explaining the circumstances. She arrived at the airport in plenty of time (35 minutes), but saw that her flight was delayed. Rather than go through security and sit near the gate to be ready when boarding started, she left the terminal. (Maybe to have a smoke? Why else would you hang around outside of the terminal in that weather?)

While she was outside, they made the final boarding announcement, which she missed. SkyWest then notified the TSA that they weren't accepting any more passengers. The TSA made two additional announcements asking any remaining passengers to report for screening. Sometime after that, Ms. Winning had an "oh shiat" moment and tried to go through security...but she was too late.

It didn't matter if there was a lady TSA agent available or not...she was already too late for her flight when she got to security and probably thinks she can leverage some sympathy by playing the gender card.


Thank you. From the story I was pretty sure it was her fault but this makes it totally clear.
 
2012-02-10 11:06:48 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Yeah, the TSA needs to go, but you can't show up last minute any more. Until the public grows some nuts and demands the TSA be shut down, people need to play by their stupid, security theater rules


Which is why the TSA will never go away. Flyers should demand to see search warrants, and refuse to be searched until they can be produced, or until probable cause can be demonstrated. This would shut down the TSA in one day. Then the real work (putting every TSA employee in prison for 20 years) can begin.
 
2012-02-10 11:12:23 PM  
I assume this is relevant: Ready to be pat down...

www.pinstripemag.com

//Putting the T&A in TSA
////No?
 
2012-02-10 11:40:28 PM  
They could have a transvestite or something.
 
2012-02-10 11:41:36 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Once TSA is informed by the airline that our screening services are no longer needed, the security checkpoint is closed. In this instance, SkyWest made final boarding announcements and notified TSA that no additional passengers would be accepted.


I won't buy this excuse until SkyWest reports it.

We're talking an extremely small airport, with 2 flights in the morning, 2 in midday, 2 in the evening, and we're talking small Embraers that can hold maybe 30 people max.

There are no jetways to move back out to the plane, not even a truck mounted stairway to drive over to the craft.

Also, baggage is not going into a huge bin.

She's is going to walk out to the plane and climb aboard using the turboprop's own stairs.

If the airport says to arrive 45 minutes ahead and she is there 35 minutes ahead of time and SkyWest is refusing to board her, that's not just ridiculous, that's unbelievable.

I think SkyWest "releasing" the TSA is nonsense. TSA should stay up until that flight departs the airport, which is 20-45 minutes later.

We've seen other occasions in which an airplane arrives at an airport and cannot even deplane until TSA arrives to maintain the secure spaces. So it's bogus that they would leave before that flight departs, REGARDLESS, of what SkyWest might say.

If that plane was more than 10 minutes from departing at that airport, it's stupid for SkyWest to refuse to board her.

But even so, this is one of those occasions that TSA should take a look at her, do a thorough hand search search of all of her bags, have her take off her jacket and search that, and then put her on the plane, and then radio to have her searched at the next stop prior to departing on her next flight.
 
2012-02-10 11:42:41 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: redmid17: Bathia_Mapes: James!: biatch you were late.

Yep.

Not to an airport that has six flights daily and where the flight probably wasn't even boarding yet.

FTA..."In small airports, TSA works closely with the airlines and airport to keep the security checkpoints open to ensure that all passengers are screened appropriately.

Once TSA is informed by the airline that our screening services are no longer needed, the security checkpoint is closed. In this instance, SkyWest made final boarding announcements and notified TSA that no additional passengers would be accepted.


Yeah that wasn't in this article. Point is, the 35 minutes at security was *before* she went outside. No airline in their right mind is going to tell people at an airport that small that they are cutting off passengers 30+ minutes before departure. That said, I don't believe TSA either
 
2012-02-10 11:50:43 PM  

redmid17: Bathia_Mapes: redmid17: Bathia_Mapes: James!: biatch you were late.

Yep.

Not to an airport that has six flights daily and where the flight probably wasn't even boarding yet.

FTA..."In small airports, TSA works closely with the airlines and airport to keep the security checkpoints open to ensure that all passengers are screened appropriately.

Once TSA is informed by the airline that our screening services are no longer needed, the security checkpoint is closed. In this instance, SkyWest made final boarding announcements and notified TSA that no additional passengers would be accepted.

Yeah that wasn't in this article. Point is, the 35 minutes at security was *before* she went outside. No airline in their right mind is going to tell people at an airport that small that they are cutting off passengers 30+ minutes before departure. That said, I don't believe TSA either


What I posted in my previous comment was directly below the article.
 
2012-02-10 11:52:56 PM  
So why do journalists continue to call TSA agents "officers?" Are they sworn peace officers with arrest powers? No, they are not. They do not have arrest powers, nor are they licensed to carry weapons or use deadly force as part of their job. THEY ARE AGENTS, just like the people who take your tickets and baggage. They just get to fondle your junk.

The TSA is possibly one of the most bloated and useless agencies. I can only hope they screw up so badly that the public outcry to remove or improve it can't be ignored.
 
2012-02-10 11:56:38 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: redmid17: Bathia_Mapes: redmid17: Bathia_Mapes: James!: biatch you were late.

Yep.

Not to an airport that has six flights daily and where the flight probably wasn't even boarding yet.

FTA..."In small airports, TSA works closely with the airlines and airport to keep the security checkpoints open to ensure that all passengers are screened appropriately.

Once TSA is informed by the airline that our screening services are no longer needed, the security checkpoint is closed. In this instance, SkyWest made final boarding announcements and notified TSA that no additional passengers would be accepted.

Yeah that wasn't in this article. Point is, the 35 minutes at security was *before* she went outside. No airline in their right mind is going to tell people at an airport that small that they are cutting off passengers 30+ minutes before departure. That said, I don't believe TSA either

What I posted in my previous comment was directly below the article.


TSA has lied about literally everything involving security and their screw ups. Sorry if I don't take their statement at full value.
 
2012-02-11 12:10:31 AM  

jingks: Not necessarily. SkyWest could have stopped accepting check ins, and informed security of this. Doesn't mean that security had to stop letting people through at the exact same time if they felt people could be screened and still make the flight.


Depends on what is meant by "they weren't accepting any more passengers". Considering it immediately followed "While she was outside, they made the final boarding announcement", I feel safe in assuming they meant they weren't boarding any more passengers, not that they weren't accepting any more check ins. So, again, the question is, why would the TSA make two announcements calling for passengers, when boarding was already stopped?
 
2012-02-11 12:22:39 AM  

redmid17: Bathia_Mapes: redmid17: Bathia_Mapes: James!: biatch you were late.

Yep.

Not to an airport that has six flights daily and where the flight probably wasn't even boarding yet.

FTA..."In small airports, TSA works closely with the airlines and airport to keep the security checkpoints open to ensure that all passengers are screened appropriately.

Once TSA is informed by the airline that our screening services are no longer needed, the security checkpoint is closed. In this instance, SkyWest made final boarding announcements and notified TSA that no additional passengers would be accepted.

Yeah that wasn't in this article. Point is, the 35 minutes at security was *before* she went outside. No airline in their right mind is going to tell people at an airport that small that they are cutting off passengers 30+ minutes before departure. That said, I don't believe TSA either


This.
People in this thread dont fly often, apparently. You can get through any small airport in 15 minutes, easy. Hell I've been through SFO in 20 minutes flat. Couldnt check in for my flight because it was too late, got placed on standby, went through security, and managed to make my original flight because there were spots open. 20 minutes. That's in a major metropolitan airport. In DAY, where I fly regularly, 15 minutes from ticketing to seat is the norm.

Also airlines not accepting passengers when they have seats open is pretty much unheard of in my experience. It sounds like TSA is stretching the truth a bit.
 
2012-02-11 01:04:04 AM  

Civil Discourse:

And you would make those people marshals? Marshals carry guns. How long would it be before one of those twits fired it needlessly?

It's not that your idea is bad, per se, it's that hiring and training legitimate marshals is more expensive and time consuming than training some low-achieving, overweight, undersexed, mouth-breathers how to conduct a freedom grope. Also, the number we would need is so high as to make it 1) prohibitively expensive, and 2) unlikely that we could find enough qualified candidates willing to do the job. And when I say qualified, I don't mean eager and able to point a gun; I mean actually capable of independently exercising good judgement.


I never said I'd switch the TSA "agents" of now to badge carrying, gun toting air marshals. You are out of your mind!

Most I've seen or heard of look like they are 1 strike away from being behind bars for life. Or older than dirt.

But there are a lot of qualified retirees from police forces and the military who fit the bill. Or even active duty marshals/police.... hell, rid us of the DEA & ATF and they can become air marshals... & still play with their guns.
 
2012-02-11 01:11:24 AM  

fredklein: Walker: TSA said

The TSA says a lot of things. Like they don't require you to remove clothing.

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And they certainly don't strip search grannies...and then they apologize to granny for what happened to her, while still maintaining nothing happened (new window).

And they don't touch your groin

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or your breasts

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And they certainly don't touch your genitals. Miss USA was... lying, I guess.


[ll-media.tmz.com image 536x350] (new window)

Yes, the TSA claims a lot of things. They claim to keep us safe, while having a failure rate up to 70% (new window)!! They claim that's from a few years ago, but absolutely refuse to release more recent data (which you know they would if it showed an improvement!)

They claim to be keeping dangerous terrists off of planes, but their top 10 list for last year included:

-Snakes, turtles, and birds found at Miami (MIA) and Los Angeles (LAX). (not a danger to the plane)
-A science project that shut down a checkpoint at Omaha (OMA). (not a danger to the plane)
-Inert landmines were found in checked luggage at Salt Lake City (SLC) ("Inert" = not a danger to the plane)
... and almost all the rest of the 'good finds' would be found through ordinary metal detectors instead of the nudie-scopes.

So, when the TSA talks... I don't bother to listen.


*applauds*
 
2012-02-11 01:16:36 AM  
Sorry if this has been thoroughly covered, but at busy airports, you need to arrive one hour-one and a half hours before takeoff, add an hour to that if you're flying around Thanksgiving or Christmas.

At quite busy airports -- Charlotte-Douglas, but more so Boston-Logan and Atlanta -- I've usually arrived at the gate with around 15-20 minutes to spare before boarding, except one time during Christmas Eve when I underestimated the traffic en route to the airport.

I'm sure at smaller airports you don't have to arrive as early, though.
 
2012-02-11 01:29:30 AM  
Perhaps, if the TSA were oh so worried about eeeevil bombers they'd keep their goons around on hand until the EFFING FLIGHT takes the hell off.

Woman even offered to let a dude fondle her to get on the plane... thats the key here folks. Training to be slaves to a bunch of jackboot pervs. Fark the TSA, and fark DHS.
 
2012-02-11 02:37:58 AM  
fredklein: Depends on what is meant by "they weren't accepting any more passengers". Considering it immediately followed "While she was outside, they made the final boarding announcement", I feel safe in assuming they meant they weren't boarding any more passengers, not that they weren't accepting any more check ins. So, again, the question is, why would the TSA make two announcements calling for passengers, when boarding was already stopped?

I'm thinking that the TSA's announcements weren't directly due to SkyWest's communication. I suspect that TSA's announcements were made because the last scheduled flight of the night had signed off and there was no real reason for them to actively man (woman?) the security gateway. They were essentially making a "last call" announcement.
 
2012-02-11 03:39:30 AM  
THEY ARE ONLY DOING WHAT THEY ARE TOLD.

blindly and without reason.
 
2012-02-11 08:00:23 AM  

EasilyDistracted: fredklein: Depends on what is meant by "they weren't accepting any more passengers". Considering it immediately followed "While she was outside, they made the final boarding announcement", I feel safe in assuming they meant they weren't boarding any more passengers, not that they weren't accepting any more check ins. So, again, the question is, why would the TSA make two announcements calling for passengers, when boarding was already stopped?

I'm thinking that the TSA's announcements weren't directly due to SkyWest's communication. I suspect that TSA's announcements were made because the last scheduled flight of the night had signed off and there was no real reason for them to actively man (woman?) the security gateway. They were essentially making a "last call" announcement.


At my regional airport, the TSA checkpoint closes right around the STATED departure time of the last flight, after a "final warning" announcement. If the flight is delayed (say a 10:30 pm scheduled flight is now at 11:45 pm, you have to be inside security by about 10:20 pm and stay there, or you're not getting on the plane, because the screeners are gone. It sounds like this is what she ran into.
 
2012-02-11 08:34:00 AM  
SurfaceTension. I'm betting the 35 minutes is when she looked at her watch when she parked her car. Then shuttle to the terminal and printing a ticket probably cost her 20-25 minutes. Only then did she attempt to get through security.

You know how I know you've never been to the Rock Springs Wyoming airport?
 
2012-02-11 10:02:27 AM  

EasilyDistracted: I'm thinking that the TSA's announcements weren't directly due to SkyWest's communication. I suspect that TSA's announcements were made because the last scheduled flight of the night had signed off and there was no real reason for them to actively man (woman?) the security gateway. They were essentially making a "last call" announcement.


Which still makes no sense if SkyWest had already told them they weren't accepting any more passengers. You make 'last call' BEFORE the bar closes, not after. As I said before, it strikes me as someone trying to do damage control, without thinking it through all the way.
 
2012-02-12 05:15:36 AM  
In what world is 35 minutes before departure time late? Reading comprehension mass fail.
 
2012-02-12 05:17:31 AM  
Also, if your rule is needing a woman to pat down another woman than it's your responsibility to you know... have a woman to do the job there. Duh.
 
2012-02-12 11:10:59 AM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Walker: TSA said in a written statement

Well then...a written statement from the TSA. So we're believing them now?

/lady was probably an idiot
//but still...


Written in crayon.

TSA MUST DIE!
 
2012-02-12 10:39:26 PM  

haemaker: Pocket Ninja: While there were no female officers present at the time, ultimately the passenger was not screened by TSA because the airline was no longer accepting passengers for the flight."

Yep. She didn't fly because she was late, not because TSA couldn't screen her.

They should stop putting "wheels up" time on flights and schedule flights based on "doors closed". In this case, the time on her ticket would have been the time she arrived at security and this would have been a non-issue.


Worst of all is when you miss your flight... and it gets delayed. You get to sit there, watch it on the tarmac for an hour, while you wait for your re-issued tickets for the next flight. I can understand in a large airport, where they have to queue up and lose their spot, but at a small one where anyone can take off at any time once things are fixed? That's just a kick in the nuts.
 
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