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Remember the WMDs that were spirited out of Iraq and into Syria?
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I_C_Weener
2012-02-10 09:48:04 AM
Can you imagine the "I told you so's" if we're true?
Syria is looking like a bigger mess each day too. Hope these reports of chemical weapons are untrue but there is precedent in that area of the world using them.
Outrageous Muff
2012-02-10 09:57:36 AM
If Syria uses chemical weapons on their people, Russia and China will have no choice but to pull their support of the government. Without their support the UN will be able to pass resolutions allowing the forced removal of Assad from power. It would also further separate the Arab populace from Russia and Chinese because their backing of Assad would have made it appear that they gave Assad cover to gas his own people. Thus making the US less hated in the region, and shifting that hatred to Russia and China. Enough actions like this by those two nations and the generation of terrorists might decide Russia and China should be the target, not the US.
FlashHarry
2012-02-10 10:06:59 AM
no, and neither does anyone else, because they weren't. syria likely has had its own chemical weapons for some time. if that butcher assad uses them on his people, though, he's asking for invasion or at least a predator assassination.
at this point, i think he's probably gone too far to negotiate a deal anyway, except maybe exile in russia. and if he gases his own people, even that won't be a viable alternative. i don't know what the endgame is here, but i do know that it'll be soon, and it'll be bad.
GAT_00
2012-02-10 10:25:18 AM
Well, if Israeli government propaganda says it's true, it must be!
Come back with a source that isn't known for bullshiat, OK?
Outrageous Muff
2012-02-10 10:31:24 AM
GAT_00
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Come back with a source that isn't known for bullshiat, OK?
To be fair, Israel would rather have an Assad government then a populace government. If anything it's in Israel's interest to have a long civil war in Syria because that would drain the coffers of their Iranian backers. The use of chemical weapons by Syria would only hasten the overthrow of the government.
dj_bigbird
2012-02-10 11:27:49 AM
Don't forget that the Iranians have moved 15,000 troops into Syria to help put down the uprising. And Syria has a client-state, Lebanon right next door. And next door to Lebanon is...Israel. This has the potential to get very, very ugly.
aug3
2012-02-10 11:34:31 AM
no
illegal.tender
2012-02-10 11:37:28 AM
You're kidding me, right.
ArkPanda
2012-02-10 11:38:04 AM
GAT_00
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Well, if Israeli government propaganda says it's true, it must be!
Come back with a source that isn't known for bullshiat, OK?
Not sure I'd classify Haaretz as Israeli governent propaganda.
jaybells
2012-02-10 11:39:01 AM
*yawn*
Mildot
2012-02-10 11:41:22 AM
dj_bigbird
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Don't forget that the Iranians have moved 15,000 troops into Syria to help put down the uprising. And Syria has a client-state, Lebanon right next door. And next door to Lebanon is...Israel. This has the potential to get very, very ugly.
Ever think these people were on to something?
randomjsa
2012-02-10 11:41:47 AM
Outrageous Muff
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If Syria uses chemical weapons on their people, Russia and China will have no choice but to pull their support of the government.
Oh wait you're serious, let me laugh harder...
Do you honestly think Russia and particularly China give a crap? If the wholesale slaughter of innocent people were a problem for them, they would already be on board.
Without their support the UN will be able to pass resolutions allowing the forced removal of Assad from power. It would also further separate the Arab populace from Russia and Chinese because their backing of Assad would have made it appear that they gave Assad cover to gas his own people. Thus making the US less hated in the region, and shifting that hatred to Russia and China. Enough actions like this by those two nations and the generation of terrorists might decide Russia and China should be the target, not the US.
You and your silly delusions.
GORDON
2012-02-10 11:42:51 AM
I read earlier today, "Reality skews liberal." Let's hope Iraq didn't actually send WMDs to Syria, it might cause some uncomfortable introspection.
Brontes
2012-02-10 11:43:45 AM
Can someone post the people jumping int he field so Tatsuma doesn't have to?
Satanic_Hamster
2012-02-10 11:43:51 AM
dj_bigbird
:
Don't forget that the Iranians have moved 15,000 troops into Syria to help put down the uprising. And Syria has a client-state, Lebanon right next door. And next door to Lebanon is...Israel. This has the potential to get very, very ugly.
Source? Haven't heard any report or claims about this before.
Monkey MKIII
2012-02-10 11:45:46 AM
They should be pretty to disarm, just use the code 12345.
HotWingConspiracy
2012-02-10 11:46:37 AM
A) "Looky here at this WMD evidence, we have pictures from our satellites!"
B) "Ok so why didn't we find anything?"
A) "They....uh...shipped it all to...*checks map*...Syria! Yeah, Syria."
B) "Do you have any satellite photos of that?"
A) "No, that would be impossible! You civilians."
Outrageous Muff
2012-02-10 11:46:50 AM
randomjsa
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Oh wait you're serious, let me laugh harder...
Do you honestly think Russia and particularly China give a crap? If the wholesale slaughter of innocent people were a problem for them, they would already be on board.
You know how I know you know nothing about how international relations work? Also, shouldn't you be screaming about how this is all Obama's fault for being weak on foreign policy because started supporting the Arab populace and not the dictators?
Phoenix19851
2012-02-10 11:48:06 AM
Mildot
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dj_bigbird: Don't forget that the Iranians have moved 15,000 troops into Syria to help put down the uprising. And Syria has a client-state, Lebanon right next door. And next door to Lebanon is...Israel. This has the potential to get very, very ugly.
Ever think these people were on to something?
[www.crystalinks.com image 350x339]
No. That was a bad post, and you should feel horrible about it.
slackist
2012-02-10 11:50:39 AM
Brontes
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Tatsuma
Please, can we stop referring to that pathetic arsehole as if he was anything other than the bigoted shill that he is?
usernameguy
2012-02-10 11:51:12 AM
Well, I remember administration boot-lickers making up a story about imaginary WMDs being secreted into Syria in a desperate attempt to salvage the closest thing to a justifiable excuse to wage an otherwise illegal and disastrous war. I also remember them trying to pass off milk tanker trucks as mobile WMD labs.
redmid17
2012-02-10 11:51:43 AM
Satanic_Hamster
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dj_bigbird: Don't forget that the Iranians have moved 15,000 troops into Syria to help put down the uprising. And Syria has a client-state, Lebanon right next door. And next door to Lebanon is...Israel. This has the potential to get very, very ugly.
Source? Haven't heard any report or claims about this before.
Link
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It's haaretz, but the original claim was put out by an Iranian opposition group, so I'm not really sure how reliable it is.
theMightyRegeya
2012-02-10 11:52:50 AM
GORDON
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I read earlier today, "Reality skews liberal." Let's hope Iraq didn't actually send WMDs to Syria, it might cause some uncomfortable introspection.
It's okay, we'll just charge the war in Syria to the Chinese credit card. It's not like it'd strain already strained relations with China...
...no, wait, they support Syria. We're farked.
Good job, neoconmen.
Besides, if the Bush administration knew the WMDs went to Syria, why did we just fight a 9-year war against Iraq? The mission, before the goalposts got moved umpteen million times, was to get rid of the WMDs and get rid of Saddam. The WMDs went missing and Saddam has been dead for some time now.
TappingTheVein
2012-02-10 11:52:56 AM
GAT_00
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Well, if Israeli government propaganda says it's true, it must be!
You know how i know you are clueless about Haaretz being the opposite of israeli government propaganda ?
Karma Curmudgeon
2012-02-10 11:54:24 AM
Good word choice,
subby
. Spirited; as in conjured up out of thin air.
Cubicle Jockey
2012-02-10 11:57:04 AM
ArkPanda
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GAT_00: Well, if Israeli government propaganda says it's true, it must be!
Come back with a source that isn't known for bullshiat, OK?
Not sure I'd classify Haaretz as Israeli governent propaganda.
Yeah, that's Gideon Levy's paper.
Likud
hates
him.
Independent.co.uk article on Mr. Levy
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zerkalo
2012-02-10 11:58:21 AM
The only chemical weapon here is the crack pipe subby is sucking on
JustGetItRight
2012-02-10 12:00:57 PM
Mildot
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dj_bigbird: Don't forget that the Iranians have moved 15,000 troops into Syria to help put down the uprising. And Syria has a client-state, Lebanon right next door. And next door to Lebanon is...Israel. This has the potential to get very, very ugly.
Ever think these people were on to something?
[www.crystalinks.com image 350x339]
No. They've been fighting since Moses arrived.
More recently, from 1948 to 1973 the entire area was in mostly a constant state of war. Not terrorists or the occasional rocket fire. Real war with front lines and combined arms battles involving thousands of troops.
The only thing that calmed the waters was Sadat's moderation of Egypt and the fall of the Soviet Union (which cut off arms to the Arab side). Despite what the peace and love farkers think, the Arab spring's going to return the states in that region to authoritarian governments with a militant islamic/anti Israel bend and while it doesn't equal the old USSR, they're gaining new benefactors in the form of an Iran, China, Russia triad.
It isn't the end of the world, just a return to the normal 20th century state of affairs.
theMagni
2012-02-10 12:01:23 PM
I gotta say, the guy strutting with the RPG makes the whole article.
"Haters gonna hate... and I'm going to blow shiat up today."
PreMortem
2012-02-10 12:01:49 PM
10-1 those chemical weapons are stamped
USA
/USA! USA! USA! USA!
Jacobin
2012-02-10 12:02:23 PM
GAT_00
:
Well, if Israeli government propaganda says it's true, it must be!
Come back with a source that isn't known for bullshiat, OK?
Look. If Israel's borders are going to go back to biblical times we're are going to have to finish blowing up the rest of the region for them. They don't pay good money to congress for nothing
Harvey Manfrenjensenjen
2012-02-10 12:03:07 PM
Mildot
:
dj_bigbird: Don't forget that the Iranians have moved 15,000 troops into Syria to help put down the uprising. And Syria has a client-state, Lebanon right next door. And next door to Lebanon is...Israel. This has the potential to get very, very ugly.
Ever think these people were on to something?
[www.crystalinks.com image 350x339]
Only if you don't consider that what's going on the region now is a repeat of every decade since the breakup of the Ottoman Empire after WW1. Or since King Herod, for that matter.
Big_Fat_Liar
2012-02-10 12:03:26 PM
Bush lied!
Nadie_AZ
2012-02-10 12:05:33 PM
No I don't,
subs
. I do remember the avalanche of suspect 'evidence' and anecdotes and 'who cares, f*ck them anyways because 9/11'. That I do remember.
UHC2005
2012-02-10 12:06:12 PM
Monkey MKIII
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They should be pretty to disarm, just use the code 12345.
"And change the combination on my luggage!"
rwfan
2012-02-10 12:06:28 PM
I missed the part of the article where it says WMD were smuggled from Iraq to Syria. However like father, like son regardless of whether subby is out of his mind.
zedster
2012-02-10 12:07:59 PM
Outrageous Muff
:
If Syria uses chemical weapons on their people, Russia and China will have no choice but to pull their support of the government. Without their support the UN will be able to pass resolutions allowing the forced removal of Assad from power. It would also further separate the Arab populace from Russia and Chinese because their backing of Assad would have made it appear that they gave Assad cover to gas his own people. Thus making the US less hated in the region, and shifting that hatred to Russia and China. Enough actions like this by those two nations and the generation of terrorists might decide Russia and China should be the target, not the US.
You mean like how the world responded when the Turks used chemical weapons on the Kurds two years ago?
Link
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portscanner
2012-02-10 12:15:36 PM
Another lie propagated by BushChennyHalliburtonBigOil. There are no chemical weapons.
[MohammedSaeedal-Sahhaf.jpg]
someonelse
2012-02-10 12:16:43 PM
theMightyRegeya
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Besides, if the Bush administration knew the WMDs went to Syria, why did we just fight a 9-year war against Iraq?
Because 9/11. Why do you hate America?
zedster
2012-02-10 12:17:04 PM
GAT_00
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Well, if Israeli government propaganda says it's true, it must be!
Come back with a source that isn't known for bullshiat, OK?
umm... you do know that Haaretz is a leftist paper in Israel?
also
From the BBC on 2/6:
Under the constant shell-fire, people were becoming slightly hysterical: The army was "about to attack with chemical weapons"; The army was "already invading with ground troops".
Neither was true, though one credible eyewitness said he had seen troops moving up to the edge of this area.
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which if you compare with the sub-headline of the Haarestz article,"Syria's military has begun stockpiling chemical weapons and equipping its soldiers with gas masks near the city of Homs, opposition sources reported on Thursday." Isn't that different
Opposition forces fear chemical attacks, neither says anything about Iraq or that such an attack has happened. Headline Fail
grotto_man
2012-02-10 12:17:15 PM
GAT_00
Well, if Israeli government propaganda says it's true, it must be!
Come back with a source that isn't known for bullshiat, OK?
You know, this is a good example of the complete idiocy of Israel bashers, to wit:
1) Haaretz is an independent newspaper that's even distinctly to the left. In fact, when the rumor when around that Netanyahu had said it was one of the chief enemies of the country, it was repeated because it was considered a credible thing for him to have said.
2) The sources were Syrian opposition figures, not the Israeli government.
FlashHarry
no, and neither does anyone else, because they weren't. syria likely has had its own chemical weapons for some time. if that butcher assad uses them on his people, though, he's asking for invasion or at least a predator assassination.
The actual article says nothing about the chemical weapons as having coming from Iraq, that was just snark from
subby
.
But it is kind of of a tradition in Syria. Bashar's dad used chemical weapons on Homs in the 80's - ~10K killed was the figure I remember quoted.
Joe Blowme
2012-02-10 12:17:49 PM
Outrageous Muff
:
If Syria uses chemical weapons on their people, Russia and China will have no choice but to pull their support of the government. Without their support the UN will be able to pass resolutions allowing the forced removal of Assad from power. It would also further separate the Arab populace from Russia and Chinese because their backing of Assad would have made it appear that they gave Assad cover to gas his own people. Thus making the US less hated in the region, and shifting that hatred to Russia and China. Enough actions like this by those two nations and the generation of terrorists might decide Russia and China should be the target, not the US.
I dont think so, they dont think that rationally (see suicide bombers and their supporters). We have been going to bat for muslims since Bosnia and they still dont appreciate any of it. China and Russia actively go after muslims in thier countries and still are loved by muslims because they are not "great satans"
DreamSnipers
2012-02-10 12:18:20 PM
I am sure the relevant people in the Assad regime can read
Link
. The people in power likely feel they have nothing to lose. Even if they don't use WMDs they are certainly not going to step down. Any option available to them besides crushing the revolt ends up with them dead in the street or in the Hague. The potential political cost of using them is probably the only thing stopping them now.
Zeno-25
2012-02-10 12:19:37 PM
What a chemical weapon used against protesters in the Middle East might look like.
Joe Blowme
2012-02-10 12:20:38 PM
someonelse
:
theMightyRegeya: Besides, if the Bush administration knew the WMDs went to Syria, why did we just fight a 9-year war against Iraq?
Because 9/11. Why do you hate America?
Do i really have to post the Iraqi war resolution again? Would it do any good? No, you guys would still derp your 9/11 cause ignoring the actuall connections to it and everything else given as resoning for the use of force that DEMS also voted for. Keep derping.
natas6.0
2012-02-10 12:20:57 PM
I like that people are hoping it isn't true because then they would be wrong.
Not,
holy shiat
... the stuff used against the kurds
on video
is actually real and may harm people.
SO full of fail
wantingout
2012-02-10 12:21:31 PM
translation: here's your daily dose of 'wag the dog' propaganda. how's the reality tv war going?
Captain_Ballbeard
2012-02-10 12:23:04 PM
GAT_00
:
Well, if Israeli government propaganda says it's true, it must be!
Come back with a source that isn't known for bullshiat, OK?
What do you need, a Judith Miller front page series in the New York Times?
sharkbeagle
2012-02-10 12:25:33 PM
Haaretz is slightly more opposed to the Israeli government than Hamas is, FYI. You actually need to read the paper before you make retarded claims. Antisemitic nonsense is what Huffington Post is for.
Click Click D'oh
2012-02-10 12:28:19 PM
Zeno-25
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What a chemical weapon used against protesters in the Middle East might look like.
Oh noes, not the dreaded tear gassing!
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