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(Washington Post) Amusing George Will nearly fogs up his wire rimmed glasses in a rage: "Republicans who think America is being endangered by "appeasement" and military parsimony have worked that pedal on their organ quite enough" Oh snap   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 61
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2012-02-10 08:16:29 AM
I understand people with Alzheimer's have moments of lucidity.
 
2012-02-10 08:44:00 AM
To be fair, Will is as frustrated with the current race to the bottom that the GOP has committed itself to as I am. And for many of the same reasons.
 
2012-02-10 09:03:17 AM
Goode Heavens, the wordsmithery in these times of elecktronic news-papers is quite distressing!
 
2012-02-10 09:08:06 AM
George Will hasn't been relevant in the Republican party for at least a decade, now.
 
2012-02-10 09:13:55 AM
This is about the first thing Will has written that I've agreed with in at least half a decade, maybe more (I think he wrote something about baseball once that wasn't total bullshiat). We'll see if it catches on in the GOP. Pat Buchanan was saying similar stuff about Iran this week as well. The war drums are beating, but I don't think America is going to answer the call this time. Besides, we're already waging economic war against Iran and they're having to resort to farking bartering in order to conduct international trade. I'd say they're going to come to the nuclear negotiating table pretty soon.
 
2012-02-10 09:16:03 AM
RexTalionis: George Will hasn't been relevant in the Republican party for at least a decade, now.

If he goes back to writing like this again, he'll be more relevant to me.

But he keeps bleating "political contributions are free speech" so much I can't stand it.
 
2012-02-10 09:30:04 AM
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2012-02-10 09:41:06 AM
Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: This is about the first thing Will has written that I've agreed with in at least half a decade, maybe more (I think he wrote something about baseball once that wasn't total bullshiat). We'll see if it catches on in the GOP. Pat Buchanan was saying similar stuff about Iran this week as well. The war drums are beating, but I don't think America is going to answer the call this time. Besides, we're already waging economic war against Iran and they're having to resort to farking bartering in order to conduct international trade. I'd say they're going to come to the nuclear negotiating table pretty soon.

I wish I could be that optimistic. Think Cuba and North (best) Korea. Poverty and hardship actually make it easier for a dictatorship to control the population. Not harder.

Neither US war nor appeasement is necessary. Israelli bombing the fark out of them in conjunction with sanctions could prove useful though.
 
2012-02-10 09:50:57 AM
That was delicious.
 
2012-02-10 09:58:25 AM
mrshowrules: I wish I could be that optimistic. Think Cuba and North (best) Korea. Poverty and hardship actually make it easier for a dictatorship to control the population. Not harder.

Both your examples are of communist societies that liquidated the commercial, "bourgeois" classes. That didn't happen in Iran, where they have a very vibrant and restive commercial class (especially in Tehran). Those people aren't going to accept the restrictions on their blue jeans, electronics, food and fuel. Iranian society is shaping up to have one hell of a spring here in a couple of months, in my estimation. I doubt everyone in that country has forgotten about the Green Revolution just yet.
 
2012-02-10 10:07:01 AM
Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: mrshowrules: I wish I could be that optimistic. Think Cuba and North (best) Korea. Poverty and hardship actually make it easier for a dictatorship to control the population. Not harder.

Both your examples are of communist societies that liquidated the commercial, "bourgeois" classes. That didn't happen in Iran, where they have a very vibrant and restive commercial class (especially in Tehran). Those people aren't going to accept the restrictions on their blue jeans, electronics, food and fuel. Iranian society is shaping up to have one hell of a spring here in a couple of months, in my estimation. I doubt everyone in that country has forgotten about the Green Revolution just yet.


Good point but have sanctions actually ever worked for anything ever? Saddam's Iraq would have been a better example. It was only the threat of war which allowed the weapon's inspections to happen.

If it wasn't for the nuclear problem, I believe the Green Revolution would be helped by ending the sanctions.
 
2012-02-10 10:27:24 AM
mrshowrules: Good point but have sanctions actually ever worked for anything ever? Saddam's Iraq would have been a better example. It was only the threat of war which allowed the weapon's inspections to happen.

We'll see, that's for sure. But if your currency goes from "convertible on the international currency exchanges" to "unconvertible" overnight... that can't be good. But yeah I'm not sure exactly what type of sanctions we hit Iraq with back in the '90s.
 
2012-02-10 10:49:10 AM
Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Iranian society is shaping up to have one hell of a spring here in a couple of months, in my estimation.

They already had one, in 1979. The only reason they are a pariah state is because they dared throw our dictator out of power.
 
2012-02-10 10:51:27 AM
I guess he had to pad things out because "it's the economy, stupid" was already taken.
 
2012-02-10 10:55:57 AM
Why is it that old and wealthy white men have never had a problem with young men and women dying so that they can say they are right?

Or in other words, Fark Iraq.

In the now immortal words of LBJ - They call upon us to supply American boys to do the job that Asian Middle Eastern boys should do.
 
2012-02-10 10:58:51 AM
I still think he needs a jock to beat him up. After the comment he made about the massive cuts in Federal Jobs, "good", I would like to personally kick him in the balls. Little fark needs to know how painful losing your job is. It's farking traumatic for most people, but shiat-for-brains baseball boy treats it as politics as usual.

/Go fark yourself, George Will. The current GOP is partly your fault. Deal with it.
 
2012-02-10 10:59:55 AM
Will is a gentile. Gentiles have had about enough of mid-east wars for Israel. The Jewish Weekly Standard still beats the drums of war. The Republicans running for president are only courting Jewish favor by being belligerant.



Meanwhile in Israel, it gets bizarre:

Can We Reschedule the War? Madonna's Coming
Israeli fans of Madonna, who is starting her world tour in Tel Aviv in late May, have started a Facebook petition asking Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to postpone his planned attack of Iran until after May 29, so as not to spoil the concert.
(new window)
 
2012-02-10 11:02:45 AM
RexTalionis: George Will hasn't been relevant in the Republican party for at least a decade, now.

Can't blame him for the GOP going all-in on derp.
 
2012-02-10 11:04:27 AM
I think one of the biggest problems with Republicans is that they don't work their organ often enough. Might be a little more mellow if they did.
 
2012-02-10 11:05:01 AM
Sounds like somebody forgot which byline he had logged in
 
2012-02-10 11:07:26 AM
Shaggy_C: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Iranian society is shaping up to have one hell of a spring here in a couple of months, in my estimation.

They already had one, in 1979. The only reason they are a pariah state is because they dared throw our dictator out of power.


Um, and because they fund Hezbollah, Hamas, Assad's regime in Syria, and blow up shiat like the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia and a Jewish community center in Argentina, among lots of other atrocities. Other than that, they're peaches.
 
2012-02-10 11:08:09 AM
Republicans know that the U.S. will continue to follow a strict appeasement policy to its zionist masters.

Obama too, the clown that went along with pretending to kill Usama Bin Laden ESPECIALLY does what he is told now.This is why he will be re elected.
 
2012-02-10 11:14:28 AM
Death to New Rome: Republicans know that the U.S. will continue to follow a strict appeasement policy to its zionist masters.

Obama too, the clown that went along with pretending to kill Usama Bin Laden ESPECIALLY does what he is told now.This is why he will be re elected.


Which brand of tinfoil do you prefer for making headwear?
 
2012-02-10 11:15:20 AM
mrshowrules: Good point but have sanctions actually ever worked for anything ever? Saddam's Iraq would have been a better example.

They prevented Saddam from acquiring WMD.
 
2012-02-10 11:20:54 AM
HotWingConspiracy: mrshowrules: Good point but have sanctions actually ever worked for anything ever? Saddam's Iraq would have been a better example.

They prevented Saddam from acquiring WMD.


UN inspections and the true threat of war did that. Certainly not sanctions alone.
 
2012-02-10 11:21:36 AM
These old dudes are little slow on the uptake.
 
2012-02-10 11:24:04 AM
mrshowrules: HotWingConspiracy: mrshowrules: Good point but have sanctions actually ever worked for anything ever? Saddam's Iraq would have been a better example.

They prevented Saddam from acquiring WMD.

UN inspections and the true threat of war did that. Certainly not sanctions alone.


They had no weapons prior to Rumsfeld adding them to the hit list. They simply had no ability to acquire anything new.
 
2012-02-10 11:28:03 AM
I look forward to reading Will's column every Sunday. Nice that his editors don't force him to write at an eigth grade reading level.

It took him a while to come around, but he's right on Afghanistan. It's a shiathole and we have no business being there. Same with Iraq, and we better not let the neocons (and Romney) drag us into Syria or the upcoming Egypt revolution part 2. They've done a fine job of killing each other for centuries, they don't need our help now.


Of course, here on Fark we just hear "he's a Republican, bow tie, derp derp" but the guy is right..
 
2012-02-10 11:37:36 AM
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Not George Will!

/Seriously, bring up his name and this is all I can think of.
 
2012-02-10 11:42:57 AM
HotWingConspiracy: mrshowrules: HotWingConspiracy: mrshowrules: Good point but have sanctions actually ever worked for anything ever? Saddam's Iraq would have been a better example.

They prevented Saddam from acquiring WMD.

UN inspections and the true threat of war did that. Certainly not sanctions alone.

They had no weapons prior to Rumsfeld adding them to the hit list. They simply had no ability to acquire anything new.


True but Clinton bombed them after the first Persion gulf war when UN Inspections were being blocked. Clinton/Bush continued the threat of war.

More accurately, it was the first Persian Gulf War, the Clinton attacks and the threat of more attacks which probably made Saddam back off of the WMD. The sanctions would have made such a program difficult to pursue anyways mind you.
 
2012-02-10 11:45:04 AM
RexTalionis: George Will hasn't been relevant in the Republican party for at least a decade, now.

And it's a damn shame, because he's one of the few left who isn't batshiat crazy.
 
2012-02-10 11:45:44 AM
Mumbler: Of course, here on Fark we just hear "he's a Republican, bow tie, derp derp" but the guy is right..

Will is an extremely smart man who is sometimes right about some things.

He is wrong more often than he is right, but when he's wrong, it's at least well-reasoned and worth reading as brain exercise.
 
2012-02-10 11:49:01 AM
DavidVincent:

Meanwhile in Israel, it gets bizarre:

Can We Reschedule the War? Madonna's Coming
Israeli fans of Madonna, who is starting her world tour in Tel Aviv in late May, have started a Facebook petition asking Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to postpone his planned attack of Iran until after May 29, so as not to spoil the concert. (new window)



Seriously? How many 50 year old gay guys are in Israel?
 
2012-02-10 11:49:07 AM
I love the way the idiots ( like Will ) that encouraged right wing idiocy are getting bit on the ass now.

Go write another column about how hippie culture ruined america you tards.
 
2012-02-10 11:49:08 AM
LaBlueSkuld: [img.photobucket.com image 512x384]

Not George Will!

/Seriously, bring up his name and this is all I can think of.


Me too, and another MST3K reference:

"Hey, I knew reading that George Will book would pay off!" - ep. #306, 'Time of the Apes'
 
2012-02-10 11:49:50 AM
Shaggy_C: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Iranian society is shaping up to have one hell of a spring here in a couple of months, in my estimation.

They already had one, in 1979. The only reason they are a pariah state is because they dared throw our dictator out of power.


Nice revisionist history there, bucko. Forgot about the whole "hold the embassy hostage for 444 days" thing?
 
2012-02-10 11:57:49 AM
g4lt: Nice revisionist history there, bucko. Forgot about the whole "hold the embassy hostage for 444 days" thing?

Gee holding america hostage for 444 days is much worse than america holding Iran hostage for 26 years ( not to mention the SAVAK )

Don't those Iraqis know their place ? God is on americas side when it overthrows democratically elected leaders.
 
2012-02-10 12:04:07 PM
Rwa2play: RexTalionis: George Will hasn't been relevant in the Republican party for at least a decade, now.

Can't blame him for the GOP going all-in on derp.



Somebody please correct me if I'm mistaken -- I'm making a subjective judgment on Will, here, based on his stuff I've stumbled over in the last few years, I don't have any data or examples handy -- but didn't he segue from 'old skool Republican op-ed guy' to 'yet another apparatchik parroting the exact same party line and buzzwords as every other voice from the right' a while back?

One thing I'm really interested in hearing about some day is the inside story of how they've managed to keep everyone on message these last 15 years. Apart from the internet chatter about "blast faxes" more then a decade ago, it's a story that hasn't been told.

And now it looks like Will is pulling a David Brooks and escaping the fold for a little while, which is what I find most interesting.

Some day, when the whole flock scatters and people are willing to talk, maybe we'll hear who all these conservative border collies are and how they've been able to keep everyone in line. Can't wait.
 
2012-02-10 12:23:16 PM
George Will is a RINO

If a person is not accustomed to speaking in tongues, he or she cannot be an authentic Republican
 
2012-02-10 12:26:36 PM
Death to New Rome: Republicans know that the U.S. will continue to follow a strict appeasement policy to its zionist masters.

Obama too, the clown that went along with pretending to kill Usama Bin Laden ESPECIALLY does what he is told now.This is why he will be re elected.


You raise fascinating points. But on the other hand, the tiny alien that lives in my penis thinks you're part of the conspiracy. I've learned to trust him on this matter, as he cured the problem I had with my semen escaping and reporting on my actions to the FBI. So I cannot listen to you.
 
2012-02-10 12:27:15 PM
phaseolus: Some day, when the whole flock scatters and people are willing to talk, maybe we'll hear who all these conservative border collies are and how they've been able to keep everyone in line. Can't wait.

I'm pretty sure it is simply Fox News and the pundits they are associated with. Dick Army and the Tea Party movement, Palin, Rove, Beck, Hannity etc... etc...

Before that it was Raygun, the Bushies, Rove and company. Overlapping with the present class of 2012 but it is not going well.

I don't think there is a cabal of Conservative puppet masters. Frankly, if there was, they probably wouldn't be failing so badly.
 
2012-02-10 12:50:49 PM
g4lt: Shaggy_C: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Iranian society is shaping up to have one hell of a spring here in a couple of months, in my estimation.

They already had one, in 1979. The only reason they are a pariah state is because they dared throw our dictator out of power.

Nice revisionist history there, bucko. Forgot about the whole "hold the embassy hostage for 444 days" thing?


They held American hostages for 444 days and none of those hostages were killed. I would be embarrassed to compare our record on detaining people.

The Iranians had a legitimate grudge at the time. Unfortunately, the leadership derives a good chunk of its power from the animosity with the West. Iran was once one of the most westernized countries in the region. It is another case of a country where we could probably get along great if there wasn't so much to be gained politically by remaining enemies.

/Hell, we deal with Vietnam without batting an eye.
 
2012-02-10 01:00:09 PM
And another old Conservative gets tossed out and another RINO is born.

Enjoy your race to the bottom Republicans. Maybe Sarah Palin (MR F) will come along and boldly lead you to your final destination.
 
2012-02-10 01:05:55 PM
I almost forgot what a reasonable, educated, non-evangelical conservative writing for an audience of intelligent Republicans sounded like. It's been so long. Does he realize that it's 2012 and that most of his kind have been purged?
 
2012-02-10 01:40:05 PM
mrshowrules: I'm pretty sure it is simply Fox News and the pundits they are associated with. Dick Army and the Tea Party movement, Palin, Rove, Beck, Hannity etc... etc...

I don't think there is a cabal of Conservative puppet masters. Frankly, if there was, they probably wouldn't be failing so badly.



Could be. 'No puppetmasters' would certainly explain 'lack of story so far'.

And it's plausible that, for an R legislator, getting a few thousand angry calls and emails from riled-up cranky old bastards and the appearance of primary challengers from their right if/when they stray from the One True Faith is enough of a threat to keep them in line, and would be easy for a Roger Ailes or someone like him to ... 'facilitate' is the best word.

And think tanks will think what they're paid to think, of course.

But for freelance opinion leaders -- Is there simply that many more paying gigs out there for far-right voices, and that's enough pressure to keep them on message? Come to think of it, I think I remember hearing opinions stating this is the case, throughout the last several years.

If it's true, the story's still kind of interesting but won't get really entertaining unless the system's metastable, if I may borrow vocabulary words from Chemistry...
 
2012-02-10 01:43:45 PM
GOP critics say that Obama's proposed defense cuts will limit America's ability to engage in troop-intensive nation-building. Most Americans probably say: Good.

Pretty much sums it up, right there.
 
2012-02-10 01:59:25 PM
hubiestubert: To be fair, Will is as frustrated with the current race to the bottom that the GOP has committed itself to as I am. And for many of the same reasons.

To be fair, anyone still claiming to be conservative and is still a republican either has a massive case of cognitive dissonance or is just a 'tard. This crazy train has been off the rails for at least a decade.
 
2012-02-10 02:06:27 PM
Ignore Mr. Will, he always gets this way a few weeks before Pitchers-and-catchers report...
 
2012-02-10 02:17:26 PM
indylaw: I almost forgot what a reasonable, educated, non-evangelical conservative writing for an audience of intelligent Republicans sounded like. It's been so long. Does he realize that it's 2012 and that most of his kind have been purged?

t2.gstatic.com

What an audience of intelligent Republicans might look like.

They've left the building, and with good reason. Idiocy and lunacy is the inevitable end result of conservatism. You can only look backwards for so long before you become backwards.

The scary part is that the kooks are in charge now.
 
2012-02-10 03:06:10 PM
phaseolus: but didn't he segue from 'old skool Republican op-ed guy' to 'yet another apparatchik parroting the exact same party line and buzzwords as every other voice from the right' a while back?

That's the way it seems to me. At least I seem to remember reading his stuff years ago and it being ideologically sound.
 
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