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2012-02-10 11:48:43 AM
Meh, if I had been a writer in DS9 (or any recent Star Trek for that matter), I would have written that every officer (and most people) had implants which allow instant communication to the local/ship/world/system/galactic net, and permit voiceless, action-less control of ship, building, scientific, home, and tactical systems, with the option to keep voice and tactile stuff to help relate to the audience. (Conceit: I believe I may have read a sci fi book from Ian Douglas which demonstrates this concept quite clearly, but I can't recall for sure). Television-wise, I would envision it like 'the white room' in the 2nd (?) Matrix movie, where they're all in a virtual command deck performing actions (ostensibly faster than could be done through voice or pressing real buttons).

Then again, had I been a writer for ST, I'd have really locked down some basic rules about the more fantastic technology we see in the show.
 
2012-02-10 11:49:25 AM
We don't see much of the little communications that are more social in nature. Also as a few folks have said, these people are busy doing things most of the time. For fark's sake Sisko spent months building a ancient bajoran space ship. The whole point is that humans have evolved past the point of needing to spend any great deal of time on shiat that doesn't really matter.

Sure the holo decks are fun and all, but look at how much the characters in any Trek value real experience over make believe. They even have a character who behaves more like we do in Barclay and he's considered a weirdo.

Trek takes knocks all the time for its characters being paragons but they are supposed to be. It's intended to show that we can be more, and we can be better than we are now. Not to mention the characters are mostly starfleet, they are usually the best examples of humanity from a society of people who are already supposed to be fairly awesome.
 
2012-02-10 11:50:19 AM
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2012-02-10 11:51:46 AM

ThreadSinger: Meh, if I had been a writer in DS9 (or any recent Star Trek for that matter), I would have written that every officer (and most people) had implants which allow instant communication to the local/ship/world/system/galactic net, and permit voiceless, action-less control of ship, building, scientific, home, and tactical systems, with the option to keep voice and tactile stuff to help relate to the audience. (Conceit: I believe I may have read a sci fi book from Ian Douglas which demonstrates this concept quite clearly, but I can't recall for sure). Television-wise, I would envision it like 'the white room' in the 2nd (?) Matrix movie, where they're all in a virtual command deck performing actions (ostensibly faster than could be done through voice or pressing real buttons).

Then again, had I been a writer for ST, I'd have really locked down some basic rules about the more fantastic technology we see in the show.


They did that already, it's called The Borg.
 
2012-02-10 11:53:57 AM
All you really need is a gossipy Betazed and you're good to go.

/no, Mrs Troi we do not need to see you naked again
 
2012-02-10 11:55:49 AM

ThreadSinger: Meh, if I had been a writer in DS9 (or any recent Star Trek for that matter), I would have written that every officer (and most people) had implants which allow instant communication to the local/ship/world/system/galactic net, and permit voiceless, action-less control of ship, building, scientific, home, and tactical systems, with the option to keep voice and tactile stuff to help relate to the audience. (Conceit: I believe I may have read a sci fi book from Ian Douglas which demonstrates this concept quite clearly, but I can't recall for sure). Television-wise, I would envision it like 'the white room' in the 2nd (?) Matrix movie, where they're all in a virtual command deck performing actions (ostensibly faster than could be done through voice or pressing real buttons).

Then again, had I been a writer for ST, I'd have really locked down some basic rules about the more fantastic technology we see in the show.


2.bp.blogspot.com

It's been done.
 
2012-02-10 11:56:28 AM
You don't want facebook?

What are you, the Technology Amish?
 
2012-02-10 11:56:29 AM
Borg are social media taken to its extreme. Every single thought and action is uploaded to everyone else.
 
2012-02-10 11:57:21 AM

chemrebel: All you really need is a gossipy Betazed and you're good to go.

/no, Mrs Troi we do not need to see you naked again


www.beertripper.com

"I could stand to see a little more..."

/bunk. In it.
//don't judge me.
 
2012-02-10 12:03:36 PM

bemis23: Confabulat: netweavr: Maybe because Social Media is a fad and will die off within a decade?

I don't see that happening. You might be an angry contrarian who refuses to get a Facebook account because you're old school and all, but it's not going anywhere soon. Definitely not in a decade.

I farking *HATE* this attitude. People think I'm insane because I don't have, want, or seem to need a Facebook account. I don't need a constant diarrheal stream of every insignificant event in the life of every person I've ever met to make me feel "connected". It's not I have some problem with social media as a concept...I just couldn't give two shiats about what happened while you were at the mall, and another set of 500 pictures of your crotchfruit attempting to eat mashed peas isn't cute or funny to me. Throw in some basic privacy concerns and some legitimate data security issues and there's no way for Facebook to make a compelling case to me to open an account - especially an account that requires an act of Congress to close and have your data removed (not that it'll ever be removed from the backups).


While I understand and agree for the most part...

As much as it pains me as I'm not really someone that cared much for it, it does have it's use. It has permitted me to:

-be found by family that had moved away after a good 20 year and now in touch because of it.

-shared the old pictures that they didn't have, share images between each other for stuff that we talk about.

-let people know that I'm not ignoring anyone but down with the flu/cold

I really don't use it much at all, but it is an easy way to stay in touch, and let people reach you.

It's a tool, nothing more to me, and while I know that most of this can be done via emails and so, such as creating a personal web page/site, an open page makes it easier. My personal web page/site was always set aside due to time it took to open the editor and do the html modifications, and Facebook eliminated this for a easy forum type interface.
 
2012-02-10 12:03:58 PM
There is no popular culture or Human religion in ST either.

There is on B5...


/zootyzootzoot!
 
2012-02-10 12:05:19 PM
upload.wikimedia.org


TOQ: That's not how you communicate

WORF: Facebook is not communication -- it hones the skills of social media

TOQ (mocking): Social media? We have communicators here.

WORF: Klingons do not use social media because they need to communicate. Social media is a ritual that reminds us of where we come from.
 
2012-02-10 12:05:21 PM

ThreadSinger: Meh, if I had been a writer in DS9 (or any recent Star Trek for that matter), I would have written that every officer (and most people) had implants which allow instant communication to the local/ship/world/system/galactic net, and permit voiceless, action-less control of ship, building, scientific, home, and tactical systems, with the option to keep voice and tactile stuff to help relate to the audience. (Conceit: I believe I may have read a sci fi book from Ian Douglas which demonstrates this concept quite clearly, but I can't recall for sure). Television-wise, I would envision it like 'the white room' in the 2nd (?) Matrix movie, where they're all in a virtual command deck performing actions (ostensibly faster than could be done through voice or pressing real buttons).

Then again, had I been a writer for ST, I'd have really locked down some basic rules about the more fantastic technology we see in the show.


There is also the valid point that we may be moving towards a communication model that functions a lot like the chat set ups in MMORPGs. Where we have a general broadcast channels, group activity channels, then person to person channels. Each channel has a set purpose and the overwhelming channel used by most is the one that only talks to YOUR people not the whole world. With the major point being that you can talk to anyone you want to at any given moment no matter where they are.

Where social media is going to evolve is people are going to start to realize they really don't want to broadcast every little thing about themselves to general chat. They will take a bit more control over who can receive certain pieces of information, thus leaving barrens chat to the real attention whores.
 
2012-02-10 12:08:07 PM

shakespear: There is no popular culture or Human religion in ST either.


Jakotay wasn't human?
 
2012-02-10 12:16:43 PM
Jackpot777

Why doesn't anyone on Deep Space Nine use Twitter?

Why doesn't anyone on io9 use hspace and vspace, or the CSS margin equivelent,when placing images in text?


Better question. Why the fark do they need java script just to put the text on a hypertext page?



Come to think of it. Another good question is, "How much beer they pay FARK-mins to greenlight their links when the same content is available on user friendly sites?"
 
2012-02-10 12:28:57 PM
That article was so stupid, it made my nards hurt.

And I say this as someone who just watched In Purgatory's Shadow/By Inferno's Light on Netflix while cleaning my apartment. Woo, new couch!
 
2012-02-10 12:33:11 PM
Remember Sanctuary Districts from Past Tense 1 & 2? Yeah, I can see those appearing in our highly-euphemistic society, especially if the economy keeps going down the shiatter.
 
kab
2012-02-10 12:35:43 PM
Because in some alternate universe, they realized how retarded it is?
 
2012-02-10 12:36:16 PM
Maybe they don't use social media because they are actually social
 
2012-02-10 12:40:48 PM
Culturally speaking, what if the races just aren't interested in that? Humans might want to connect on an emotional level with social media, but I can't see the Cardassians jumping on that bandwagon. Or the Klingons. Or the Vulcans. Maybe the Bajorans, but they just got out of a period of severe war and strife and might not realistically have the network to support such frivolous things.

As far as nobody wasting time, DS9 isn't some perfect paradise where people have time to idle all day. They are trying to help rebuild a planet from the realities of war while putting themselves in a position to protect the wormhole. Basically they are a military base in a conflict area. Go over to any US base in a similar situation, You don't see soldiers lounging about all day playing Farmville either.
 
2012-02-10 12:49:45 PM
isn't all of their log keeping close to social networking?
 
2012-02-10 12:51:01 PM
Aren't the Binars all about social media? And didn't they appear in the 2nd or 3rd episode of TNG? It looks like humanity didn't like that evolutionary path and chose one that was less crass.
 
2012-02-10 01:17:06 PM
Eh, everyone knows that Star Trek isn't really science fiction anyway. Star Trek and shows like it I think should be called science-fantasy, because they're techy enough to look science-fiction but you know without the actual science fiction. Also, DS9 was just a poorer copy of Babylon 5. Doesn't matter that it hit the air first.

That being said, I miss the 90's where space dramas were everywhere. :/
 
2012-02-10 02:03:08 PM

bbfreak: Eh, everyone knows that Star Trek isn't really science fiction anyway. Star Trek and shows like it I think should be called science-fantasy, because they're techy enough to look science-fiction but you know without the actual science fiction. Also, DS9 was just a poorer copy of Babylon 5. Doesn't matter that it hit the air first.

That being said, I miss the 90's where space dramas were everywhere. :/


Oh God, I've heard this about Star Wars but why is Star Trek not sci-fi? Don't bother bother answering. I've had my fill of smug today.

And I don't care who ripped off the idea from who, DS9 was a helluva lot better than Babylon 5. If anything, being a Star Trek show meant a lot of dogma that DS9 had to overcome to make it more realistic to the real human condition.
 
2012-02-10 02:07:01 PM

wippit: shakespear: There is no popular culture or Human religion in ST either.

Jakotay wasn't human?


What god did he pray to?
 
2012-02-10 02:09:00 PM

shakespear: There is no popular culture or Human religion in ST either.

There is on B5...


/zootyzootzoot!


Human religion, no. So what?
 
2012-02-10 02:13:03 PM

Mugato: And I don't care who ripped off the idea from who, DS9 was a helluva lot better than Babylon 5. If anything, being a Star Trek show meant a lot of dogma that DS9 had to overcome to make it more realistic to the real human condition.


Seriously.
 
2012-02-10 02:19:20 PM
CaptainSisko
@Garak I think that shoop is good, and I've seen quite a few shoops in my time.
 
2012-02-10 02:24:10 PM

shakespear: wippit: shakespear: There is no popular culture or Human religion in ST either.

Jakotay wasn't human?

What god did he pray to?


Not every religion prays to a god. In fact, a good number of them don't.
 
2012-02-10 02:38:10 PM
I don't see that happening. You might be an angry contrarian who refuses to get a Facebook account because you're old school and all, but it's not going anywhere soon. Definitely not in a decade.

I farking *HATE* this attitude. People think I'm insane because I don't have, want, or seem to need a Facebook account. I don't need a constant diarrheal stream of every insignificant event in the life of every person I've ever met to make me feel "connected". It's not I have some problem with social media as a concept...I just couldn't give two shiats about what happened while you were at the mall, and another set of 500 pictures of your crotchfruit attempting to eat mashed peas isn't cute or funny to me. Throw in some basic privacy concerns and some legitimate data security issues and there's no way for Facebook to make a compelling case to me to open an account - especially an account that requires an act of Congress to close and have your data removed (not that it'll ever be removed from the backups).


Nail. Head. Bang on it. With thinking like this you have the reason why there is no twitter on DS9: people eventually moved beyond crap like that and realised it's more important to find ways to travel through deep space to communicate with other species because interaction matters. I just cannot understand how people seriously believe FB, twitter etc will always be around when we've seen telegrams, cb radio, aerograms, message boards and others dominate and then fade away. There's nothing so magic about social networking that will make it immune to the same forces that eventually killed these other things. We don't know what's going to replace it, but something is going to.
 
2012-02-10 02:47:38 PM

Mugato: And I don't care who ripped off the idea from who, DS9 was a helluva lot better than Babylon 5. If anything, being a Star Trek show meant a lot of dogma that DS9 had to overcome to make it more realistic to the real human condition.


i478.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-10 02:50:40 PM

hailin: Go over to any US base in a similar situation, You don't see soldiers lounging about all day playing Farmville either.


Lol. Yes you do. I would say we tend to gossip and fark around when we can more than most. Afghanistan is really farking boring most of the time. All there really is to do when you're not on mission is work out, play xbox, fark and gossip about who's farking who.
 
2012-02-10 03:32:52 PM
@Odo WHAR BUKKIT? WHAR?
 
2012-02-10 03:34:59 PM
bemis23:

I farking *HATE* this attitude. People think I'm insane because I don't have, want, or seem to need a Facebook account. I don't need a constant diarrheal stream of every insignificant event in the life of every person I've ever met to make me feel "connected". It's not I have some problem with social media as a concept...I just couldn't give two shiats about what happened while you were at the mall, and another set of 500 pictures of your crotchfruit attempting to eat mashed peas isn't cute or funny to me. Throw in some basic privacy concerns and some legitimate data security issues and there's no way for Facebook to make a compelling case to me to open an account - especially an account that requires an act of Congress to close and have your data removed (not that it'll ever be removed from the backups).


THANK YOU
 
2012-02-10 03:35:08 PM
Pretty much the only thing more boring than DS9 would be the "social" feed from there.

\I'll take the Tracey Chapman assisted suicide weekend with a DS9 side to go please.
 
2012-02-10 03:35:36 PM
@Quark I make 25 bars of gold pressed latinum over the social network. CLICK HERE to find out how #freemoney
 
2012-02-10 03:40:30 PM

bemis23: Confabulat: netweavr: Maybe because Social Media is a fad and will die off within a decade?

I don't see that happening. You might be an angry contrarian who refuses to get a Facebook account because you're old school and all, but it's not going anywhere soon. Definitely not in a decade.

I farking *HATE* this attitude. People think I'm insane because I don't have, want, or seem to need a Facebook account. I don't need a constant diarrheal stream of every insignificant event in the life of every person I've ever met to make me feel "connected". It's not I have some problem with social media as a concept...I just couldn't give two shiats about what happened while you were at the mall, and another set of 500 pictures of your crotchfruit attempting to eat mashed peas isn't cute or funny to me. Throw in some basic privacy concerns and some legitimate data security issues and there's no way for Facebook to make a compelling case to me to open an account - especially an account that requires an act of Congress to close and have your data removed (not that it'll ever be removed from the backups).


Seconded. And I've over 20 years in the field, too - it's not a matter of neo-Luddism or contrarianism. I have a Google+ and Twitter account, simply to reserve my online identity, but I don't populate them with anything of use or interest. I'm simply not that available, nor do I want to be that available.

The important stuff gets handled face-to-face, and I don't have time for most of the trivial stuff. I can't afford to have my identity stolen, and there's no need for me to shower my acquaintances (they're not "friends" - my friends actually see me on a fairly regular basis) with the flotsam & jetsam that accrues from every one of my life's little moments. I respect my friends - why would I do that to them? Similarly, my friends don't do that to me - they have lives, and they're busy living them.

Facebook will do just fine without me. MySpace did. Google+ doesn't miss me. Twitter certainly doesn't miss me. Once a social networking environment comes along that can guarantee my identity's safety, doesn't try to turn my online activity into a commodity, and allow me true, fine-grained controls over privacy, then we'll see. Until then, though, I'll just have to live without it. I'm OK with that.
 
2012-02-10 04:16:28 PM

FormlessOne: bemis23: Confabulat: netweavr: Maybe because Social Media is a fad and will die off within a decade?

I don't see that happening. You might be an angry contrarian who refuses to get a Facebook account because you're old school and all, but it's not going anywhere soon. Definitely not in a decade.

I farking *HATE* this attitude. People think I'm insane because I don't have, want, or seem to need a Facebook account. I don't need a constant diarrheal stream of every insignificant event in the life of every person I've ever met to make me feel "connected". It's not I have some problem with social media as a concept...I just couldn't give two shiats about what happened while you were at the mall, and another set of 500 pictures of your crotchfruit attempting to eat mashed peas isn't cute or funny to me. Throw in some basic privacy concerns and some legitimate data security issues and there's no way for Facebook to make a compelling case to me to open an account - especially an account that requires an act of Congress to close and have your data removed (not that it'll ever be removed from the backups).

Seconded. And I've over 20 years in the field, too - it's not a matter of neo-Luddism or contrarianism. I have a Google+ and Twitter account, simply to reserve my online identity, but I don't populate them with anything of use or interest. I'm simply not that available, nor do I want to be that available.

The important stuff gets handled face-to-face, and I don't have time for most of the trivial stuff. I can't afford to have my identity stolen, and there's no need for me to shower my acquaintances (they're not "friends" - my friends actually see me on a fairly regular basis) with the flotsam & jetsam that accrues from every one of my life's little moments. I respect my friends - why would I do that to them? Similarly, my friends don't do that to me - they have lives, and they're busy living them.

Facebook will do just fine without me. MySpace did. Google+ doesn't miss ...


But do you own a TV?
 
2012-02-10 04:20:28 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: FormlessOne: bemis23: Confabulat: netweavr: Maybe because Social Media is a fad and will die off within a decade?

I don't see that happening. You might be an angry contrarian who refuses to get a Facebook account because you're old school and all, but it's not going anywhere soon. Definitely not in a decade.

I farking *HATE* this attitude. People think I'm insane because I don't have, want, or seem to need a Facebook account. I don't need a constant diarrheal stream of every insignificant event in the life of every person I've ever met to make me feel "connected". It's not I have some problem with social media as a concept...I just couldn't give two shiats about what happened while you were at the mall, and another set of 500 pictures of your crotchfruit attempting to eat mashed peas isn't cute or funny to me. Throw in some basic privacy concerns and some legitimate data security issues and there's no way for Facebook to make a compelling case to me to open an account - especially an account that requires an act of Congress to close and have your data removed (not that it'll ever be removed from the backups).

Seconded. And I've over 20 years in the field, too - it's not a matter of neo-Luddism or contrarianism. I have a Google+ and Twitter account, simply to reserve my online identity, but I don't populate them with anything of use or interest. I'm simply not that available, nor do I want to be that available.

The important stuff gets handled face-to-face, and I don't have time for most of the trivial stuff. I can't afford to have my identity stolen, and there's no need for me to shower my acquaintances (they're not "friends" - my friends actually see me on a fairly regular basis) with the flotsam & jetsam that accrues from every one of my life's little moments. I respect my friends - why would I do that to them? Similarly, my friends don't do that to me - they have lives, and they're busy living them.

Facebook will do just fine without me. MySpace did. Google+ ...


An old tube one. I have a computer monitor that's larger and has better resolution. I use it as my primary media source in my house.
 
2012-02-10 04:32:55 PM

netweavr: Facebook will do just fine without me. MySpace did. Google+ ...

An old tube one. I have a computer monitor that's larger and has better resolution. I use it as my primary media source in my house.


Eh, don't let them bust your balls. I have a facebook account because I have to for my job but it's not really useful for me because everyone I needed to be in contact with I was already.
 
2012-02-10 04:34:37 PM
Okay poop is coming around.
 
2012-02-10 07:53:29 PM

Teknowaffle: Because the concept of social media couldn't be fathomed back then because it was about 20 years ago.

Why would someone waste their time writing that stupid article?


This. Stupid, stupid article.
 
2012-02-10 08:42:34 PM
Well, it's obvious isn't it? Twitter was banned from the work place in December, 2012, because it was a major drain on productivity.

Some people took it like the end of the world.
 
2012-02-10 08:45:36 PM

ABQGOD: For the same reason that the whale Probe destroyed a city called "Leningrad." Sci-fi writers sometimes get the future wrong.


Can't have been too far off. It's gone isn't it?
 
2012-02-10 08:54:44 PM
Tinman is on Blogger.
 
2012-02-10 09:26:12 PM

PapaChester: Teknowaffle: Because the concept of social media couldn't be fathomed back then because it was about 20 years ago.

Why would someone waste their time writing that stupid article?

This. Stupid, stupid article.


This
 
2012-02-10 09:35:35 PM

Mugato: netweavr: Facebook will do just fine without me. MySpace did. Google+ ...

An old tube one. I have a computer monitor that's larger and has better resolution. I use it as my primary media source in my house.

Eh, don't let them bust your balls. I have a facebook account because I have to for my job but it's not really useful for me because everyone I needed to be in contact with I was already.


No worries on that one. The people I care about, I already talk to, and the people I don't care about, I don't want pestering me. I keep an online presence because I may need it in the future for work purposes, but I don't need it now. I'm not important enough to justify blow-by-blow updates of what I just did or saw to others, and the folks that are important enough for me to warrant paying attention to that are already covered ad nauseum.
 
2012-02-10 10:49:03 PM
You visit a planet. You add the one, cool humanoid whose not a zealous freak to your social network. Suddenly the data charges from AT&T on your iPad50 from inter-planetary out-of-zone charges are out of control. Though the Cpt Sisko is cool and all that, he still won't give you a raise to cover the fees. Now without the data, you can't check your social network account. Oh, and now the cameras are here filming the crew and you look all 90's with your apps. That does it. You'll be on the holodeck having cocktail time w/ a space hottie.
 
2012-02-10 11:21:44 PM

Confabulat: netweavr: Maybe because Social Media is a fad and will die off within a decade?

I don't see that happening. You might be an angry contrarian who refuses to get a Facebook account because you're old school and all, but it's not going anywhere soon. Definitely not in a decade.


That's what my space thought.
 
2012-02-11 12:07:07 AM

Herr Flick's Revenge: Confabulat: netweavr: Maybe because Social Media is a fad and will die off within a decade?

I don't see that happening. You might be an angry contrarian who refuses to get a Facebook account because you're old school and all, but it's not going anywhere soon. Definitely not in a decade.

That's what my space thought.


I was referring to "social media", not Facebook specifically. Social media will be here in a decade though, unless the zombies come or something.
 
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