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2012-02-10 08:42:42 AM
"Don't get your magic underwear in a bunch."
 
2012-02-10 09:05:54 AM
The GOP has this election well-in-hand with killer issues like this one sure to bring down Obama.
 
2012-02-10 09:06:35 AM
I don't get who would be against contraception. Less accidental pregnancies, means less unwanted pregnancies, means less abortions.
 
2012-02-10 09:07:46 AM
The far right hates abortion. Birth control prevents abortion. So the far right should love birth control, right?

Right?
 
2012-02-10 09:07:50 AM
Republicans: just simmer down now.
 
2012-02-10 09:11:19 AM
When you have no morals, it's easy to suggest that others follow suit.
 
2012-02-10 09:15:45 AM
The best statement for this: "It should not be left up to a boss's personal beliefs whether his employees should be allowed birth control coverage,"
 
2012-02-10 09:26:10 AM
"Our country is unique in the world because it was established on the basis of an idea: that we are all endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights -- in other words, rights that are conferred not by a king or a president or a Congress, but by the Creator himself. The state protects these rights, but it doesn't grant them," McConnell said.

The Catholic Church is not stopping ANYONE from purchasing contraception. The Catholic Church should not be compelled to participate in an act (through funding) they find morally abhorrent.

Suppose the issue was government mandating employers provide all employees cafeteria services (everyone needs to eat). But, not only that, the government has decided that all cafeterias MUST provide pork products. Most people would have no problem with this mandate. But suppose your corporation is PETA (or a mosque) -- Why should the government tell you that YOUR cafeteria MUST provide pork? (When people who want to buy pork are FREE to buy pork anywhere else (from people who are NOT vegetarians) AND you are feeding them (which is the purpose of a cafeteria).)
 
2012-02-10 09:30:08 AM

Marcus Aurelius: The far right hates abortion. Birth control prevents abortion. So the far right should love birth control, right?


I think that at its root, this is a theological issue for them. Sex is sin. Sin must be punished. Birth control, in their eyes, removes the consequences of that sin.

Here's where it goes off the rails: they simply don't trust God to administer Justice to these sinners. If they did, birth control would be immaterial, and they could rest in the knowledge that everyone is going to get what's coming to them.

Or, an even worse possibility, is that they don't want God to have mercy on sinners that sin in ways that they would like to sin. It's pure jealousy.
 
2012-02-10 09:31:42 AM

Bevets: Why should the government tell you that YOUR cafeteria MUST provide pork? (When people who want to buy pork are FREE to buy pork anywhere else (from people who are NOT vegetarians) AND you are feeding them (which is the purpose of a cafeteria).)


It's not a sin to serve pork to those who wish to eat it.
 
2012-02-10 09:33:09 AM
I just saw that Obama is the first to blink in this issue. Looks like he needs the Ccatholic vote.
 
2012-02-10 09:35:05 AM

hillbillypharmacist: Bevets: Why should the government tell you that YOUR cafeteria MUST provide pork? (When people who want to buy pork are FREE to buy pork anywhere else (from people who are NOT vegetarians) AND you are feeding them (which is the purpose of a cafeteria).)

It's not a sin to serve pork to those who wish to eat it.


This. No one is forcing anyone to actually use contraception.
 
2012-02-10 09:39:23 AM
Even without this, teen pregnancy is down to Disco era levels.
 
2012-02-10 09:46:13 AM
"Our country is unique in the world because it was established on the basis of an idea: that we are all endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights -- in other words, rights that are conferred not by a king or a president or a Congress, but by the Creator himself. The state protects these rights, but it doesn't grant them," McConnell said.

Bevets:

The Catholic Church is not stopping ANYONE from purchasing contraception. The Catholic Church should not be compelled to participate in an act (through funding) they find morally abhorrent.

Suppose the issue was government mandating employers provide all employees cafeteria services (everyone needs to eat). But, not only that, the government has decided that all cafeterias MUST provide pork products. Most people would have no problem with this mandate. But suppose your corporation is PETA (or a mosque) -- Why should the government tell you that YOUR cafeteria MUST provide pork? (When people who want to buy pork are FREE to buy pork anywhere else (from people who are NOT vegetarians) AND you are feeding them (which is the purpose of a cafeteria).)


hillbillypharmacist:

It's not a sin to serve pork to those who wish to eat it.

Why should the government force ANYONE to violate their conscience?

weave:

No one is forcing anyone to actually use contraception.

They are forcing groups or individuals to OFFER contraception (against their (First Amendment protected) moral precepts)
 
2012-02-10 09:56:09 AM

Bevets: Why should the government force ANYONE to violate their conscience?


Some people's conscience dictates they rape and kill people. Why should the government jail them and violate their conscience?
 
2012-02-10 09:58:03 AM
Apparently, things are getting a little too hot for the big O.

Link (new window)
 
2012-02-10 10:03:50 AM
The GOP is getting played like the rickety, broken violin that they are...

A compromise will be reached (there's already one being worked out) and the moronic single issue Fundies will still all throw their support behind Santorum keeping this Primary race going until the convention.

Obama dared the GOP to go even further into right wing nut job territory and they obliged him almost immediately.
 
2012-02-10 10:06:39 AM

BillCo: Apparently, things are getting a little too hot for the big O.

Link (new window)


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the White House will likely announce later today is that the relationship between the religious employer and the insurance company will not need to have any component involving contraception. The insurance company will reach out on its own to the women employees. This is better for both sides, the source says, since the religious organizations do not have to deal with medical care to which they object, and women employees will not have to be dependent upon an organization strongly opposed to that care in order to obtain it

This is a disaster for 0bama!
 
2012-02-10 10:15:31 AM

Bevets: They are forcing groups or individuals to OFFER contraception (against their (First Amendment protected) moral precepts)


Honestly, I agree it's wrong to force religious employers (as long as it's limited to only them) to do this. I actually work for a church (not Catholic though) and they already have a lot of unique exceptions, like legally being able to discriminate on who they hire based on religious beliefs.

That said, a church being against contraception is utterly and amazingly stupid and dark-ages behavior and no Catholics I know pay attention to it anyway. Grow up idiots.
 
2012-02-10 10:45:38 AM

hillbillypharmacist: I think that at its root, this is a theological issue for them. Sex is sin. Sin must be punished. Birth control, in their eyes, removes the consequences of that sin.


this is really the crux of the issue. every other justification they lob up creates contradictions in their stances. "punishing sex" is the only piece that fits.
 
2012-02-10 10:45:43 AM

Bevets: Why should the government force ANYONE to violate their conscience?


There's no 100% rule here, if you think about it. Religions that break the law don't get much legal exemption. There are entire religions based on human sacrifice being necessary. They are not allowed to practice religion freely.

I think if you go to a Catholic hospital, you should frankly expect to follow Catholic rules...except if the life of someone is in danger. Then if abortion is required, they should be forced to perform one if that's what is needed to save the life of the mother. But in the end, hospitals are in business to make money. Jewish hospitals prepare and serve non-Kosher meals (I am sure with exceptions). It's a tricky situation since if a Catholic hospital sets up in an area where there is no other choice of hospital, they hold the population hostage, and it's not reasonable to expect people to move, travel long distances, or wait for the glorious free market to setup a non-denominational hospital. I don't know what would be best there for all. The best for the community is for the Catholic hospital to ditch the usual rules instead of saying "this is what I know is right" and holding them hostage to their way of thinking. But I do have religious freedom problems with compelling that. What a mess.
 
2012-02-10 11:02:39 AM
Conservative thought process:

step 1) Deny birth control
step 2) Deny access to abortions
step 3) Stop all social programs to help single mothers
step 4) ....
step 5) ....

I think that's about as far as they got...
 
2012-02-10 11:25:38 AM
The suspense! The drama! A birth control debate.
 
2012-02-10 11:26:00 AM

Marcus Aurelius: The far right hates abortion. Birth control prevents abortion. So the far right should love birth control, right?

Right?


You have your underlying assumption wrong. The far right doesn't hate abortion specifically. The far right hates WOMEN. Women are filthy and evil. They tempted Adam. They're inferior. Adam was made in God's image. Eve was made in Adam's.
 
2012-02-10 11:27:18 AM

Marcus Aurelius: The far right hates abortion. Birth control prevents abortion. So the far right should love birth control, right?


Planned Parenthood: Have children when you're willing, ready, and able
Catholic Church: Have children when God wills it

I'm fine with the "freedom of religion" argument but it needs to cut both ways.
$0 in State, Federal, or local funding for any religious employer, whether it's a hospital, a "faith-based initiative", a charity, what have you. Nothing. Separation of church and state.

Otherwise STFU and realize you're a huge hospital chain and not a church.
 
2012-02-10 11:27:41 AM
Contraception has been mandated since 2000 (new window), Obama proposed we remove the co-pay.

This entire episode is a contrived media driven 'controversy.' Designed to make people less informed and more divided -- just the way the GOP likes it.
 
2012-02-10 11:27:42 AM
"But to show how the Republicans never lose an opportunity to mess up a good piece of legislation, listen to this: They're talking about First Amendment rights, the Constitution."

I don't think that was meant to be funny, but it was.
 
2012-02-10 11:28:58 AM

Marcus Aurelius: The far right hates abortion. Birth control prevents abortion. So the far right should love birth control, right?

Right?


I'm pro contraception and pro-choice, but don't understand why it should be a law that an employer pay for your sex life.
 
2012-02-10 11:29:11 AM
F' Harry Reid. I wish I lived in Nevada so I could vote against him.

/Don't really wish I lived in Nevada
//Wanted to be in a SteveB thread
///Someone get the Jews involved so it can be a Tats thread too
 
2012-02-10 11:33:09 AM

Sleeping Monkey: Conservative thought process:

step 1) Deny birth control
step 2) Deny access to abortions
step 3) Stop all social programs to help single mothers
step 4) ....
step 5) ....

I think that's about as far as they got...


Oh, no. They've completed that list.

step 4) Cut education funding
step 5) Invest in for-profit prison companies
step 6) Profit
 
2012-02-10 11:34:27 AM

MugzyBrown: I'm pro contraception and pro-choice, but don't understand why it should be a law that an employer pay for your sex life.


As opposed to what? Paying for the health care of your ten kids?
 
2012-02-10 11:34:31 AM

MugzyBrown: Marcus Aurelius: The far right hates abortion. Birth control prevents abortion. So the far right should love birth control, right?

Right?

I'm pro contraception and pro-choice, but don't understand why it should be a law that an employer pay for your sex life.


You do realize things like the birth control pill are used for other medical reasons besides preventing pregnancies, right?

If an employer is already proving health insurance, isn't reproductive care part of a person's overall health?
 
2012-02-10 11:35:57 AM

Bevets: Why should the government force ANYONE to violate their conscience?


My conscience says that fat people should die by my hand. Stupid government and its pesky laws!
 
2012-02-10 11:36:14 AM

MugzyBrown: Marcus Aurelius: The far right hates abortion. Birth control prevents abortion. So the far right should love birth control, right?

Right?

I'm pro contraception and pro-choice, but don't understand why it should be a law that an employer pay for your sex life.


You pay for sex.
 
2012-02-10 11:36:29 AM

Bevets: The Catholic Church is not stopping ANYONE from purchasing contraception. The Catholic Church should not be compelled to participate in an act (through funding) they find morally abhorrent.

Suppose the issue was government mandating employers provide all employees cafeteria services (everyone needs to eat). But, not only that, the government has decided that all cafeterias MUST provide pork products. Most people would have no problem with this mandate. But suppose your corporation is PETA (or a mosque) -- Why should the government tell you that YOUR cafeteria MUST provide pork? (When people who want to buy pork are FREE to buy pork anywhere else (from people who are NOT vegetarians) AND you are feeding them (which is the purpose of a cafeteria).)


Pork is not a women's health issue. Pork doesn't prevent pregnancy unless you only fark pigs.
 
2012-02-10 11:36:29 AM

MugzyBrown: Marcus Aurelius: The far right hates abortion. Birth control prevents abortion. So the far right should love birth control, right?

Right?

I'm pro contraception and pro-choice, but don't understand why it should be a law that an employer pay for your sex life.


They're not paying for your sex life. They're paying for your health insurance. Period. And it should be illegal for them to arbitrarily limit your health insurance benefits based on religious bullshiat.

Your employer CAN NOT be allowed to push their religion on you. Even if the employer is the church. Isn't that obvious?
 
2012-02-10 11:36:46 AM
Is birth control really an issue in this election? In 2012? Seriously? I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
 
2012-02-10 11:36:56 AM
Ha! Too bad Harry. Your boy Obortion has already is already bending like spaghetti in a pot full of hot water. Hahahh! Hope and change, suckas!
 
2012-02-10 11:37:13 AM

weave: I don't get who would be against contraception. Less accidental pregnancies, means less unwanted pregnancies, means less abortions.


Catholicism has always officially been against birth control. The world has moved on, and they have not.
 
2012-02-10 11:38:48 AM

Sleeping Monkey: MugzyBrown: I'm pro contraception and pro-choice, but don't understand why it should be a law that an employer pay for your sex life.

As opposed to what? Paying for the health care of your ten kids?


Don't forget the pre-natal care for those ten pregnancies.

This, sadly, is what will force the issue eventually: covering contraception is far more cost-effective for the insurance companies.
 
2012-02-10 11:40:37 AM
You do realize things like the birth control pill are used for other medical reasons besides preventing pregnancies, right?

If an employer is already proving health insurance, isn't reproductive care part of a person's overall health?


Health insurance is a benefit employers use to recruit workers.

Physical fitness is very important to ones heatlh, why doesn't my employer have to pay for my gym membership?

A glass of red wine can provide both physical and mental benefits to ones health. Where's my free glass of wine?


An employee doesn't have to accept the benefits package, they can get their own coverage.

The system would work better anyway if people bought their own insurance.
 
2012-02-10 11:42:03 AM

Uncle Eazy: F' Harry Reid. I wish I lived in Nevada so I could vote against him.

/Don't really wish I lived in Nevada
//Wanted to be in a SteveB thread
///Someone get the Jews involved so it can be a Tats thread too


Jews are a-OK with contraception. Even abortion, if there is significant risk to the child's (some authorities permit aborting - early in the pregnancy - those who would have significant health problems after birth) or the mother's life (if the mother's life is threatened by the fetus, for whatever reason at whatever stage of pregnancy, the fetus is considered as a "pursuing attacker", and can thus be aborted to save a life).

//as I understand it

Also, no one forces Catholics to go into health care. You don't like the contraception rules? There's always sale or liquidation.

Am I wrong in thinking that, if I work at a non-religious business, but my boss is a Mel Gibson-style Roman Catholic crazypants (hopefully without the racism and anti-Semitism), under the new rules the boss shouldn't be required to buy HI from a company that provides contraception (as they all now must)?

Talk about getting in between a patient and their doctor. The boss, who shouldn't even know what health services you receive, is allowed to tell a woman that her painful periods or bad skin (or even - GASP! - desire to not get preggers, perhaps because of some other health issue) that she's gotta find some other medication because Ortho ain't covered?

Bull shiat. If the boss publishes the accounting books so that we know he hasn't defrauded anyone and been totally up front about the state of the company and he donates to charity (as his religious beliefs demand), then we can perhaps talk about private health care decisions.

Until then, STFU and GBTW. Your Catholic boss demands a Protestant work ethic.
 
2012-02-10 11:42:05 AM

qorkfiend: This, sadly, is what will force the issue eventually: covering contraception is far more cost-effective for the insurance companies.


This line of reasoning requires foresight, which is an intellectual exercise that conservatives are incapable of participating in.
 
2012-02-10 11:42:17 AM
But the Obama team is betting that any further objections to this policy will unmask opponents primarily as hidebound foes of birth control at any costs, a politically difficult position to sustain, rather than as defenders of religious liberty. Indeed, this looks like an effort to reframe the debate to Obama's advantage: If Team Obama has its way, the argument will now be about whether all women should have access to contraception, and not about whether these institutions should have their religious freedom impinged upon.

Link (new window)
 
2012-02-10 11:42:39 AM
They're not paying for your sex life. They're paying for your health insurance. Period. And it should be illegal for them to arbitrarily limit your health insurance benefits based on religious bullshiat.

Your employer CAN NOT be allowed to push their religion on you. Even if the employer is the church. Isn't that obvious?


Your employer makes all sorts of decisions to limit your health insurance every year. Is saving money a less arbitrary limit than religous bullshiat?
 
2012-02-10 11:42:47 AM

realmolo: They're not paying for your sex life. They're paying for your health insurance. Period. And it should be illegal for them to arbitrarily limit your health insurance benefits based on religious bullshiat.


Not if they're the ones paying for them.

realmolo: Your employer CAN NOT be allowed to push their religion on you. Even if the employer is the church. Isn't that obvious?


welcome to 2012 where saying "we don't want to pay for something we find immoral" becomes "pushing their religion on you". Is this the bizarro flip side the the "Christians are oppressed because they aren't allowed to oppress people"?
 
2012-02-10 11:43:12 AM

Uncle Eazy: F' Harry Reid. I wish I lived in Nevada so I could vote against him.

/Don't really wish I lived in Nevada
//Wanted to be in a SteveB thread
///Someone get the Jews involved so it can be a Tats thread too


You could vote for Sharon Angle. She promised some sort of solution if I remember correctly.....


/Always have fun explaining that Angle was NOT the chicken lady. That was another primary contender.
 
2012-02-10 11:43:12 AM

Lando Lincoln: weave: I don't get who would be against contraception. Less accidental pregnancies, means less unwanted pregnancies, means less abortions.

Catholicism has always officially been against birth control. The world has moved on, and they have not.


And the funny part is, the majority of everyday Catholics don't even pay attention to the Church when it comes to contraception. I grew up in a very Catholic family in a very Catholic neighborhood and nobody I knew followed that particular decree from the Church. In fact, it was pretty much a running joke.

The Church makes these pontifications form the Vatican and the Bishops pass it on, and they all feel good about themselves, while the parishioners just ignore them and continue to do what they feel is right for them with regards to reproductive health.
 
2012-02-10 11:43:27 AM

MugzyBrown: An employee doesn't have to accept the benefits package, they can get their own coverage.


...

Can they really? Realistically? Think not only in terms of what is possible, but what is reasonable. Think very very hard before you reply.
 
2012-02-10 11:44:05 AM

Marcus Aurelius: The far right hates abortion women. Birth control prevents abortion women from suffering consequences of engaging in an activity that is completely natural and healthy. So the far right should love hate birth control, right?

Right?


FTFY
 
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