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Texas Rangers punish Nelson Cruz for costing them a World Championship by giving him $16 million for two years
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mikemoto
2012-02-09 06:57:31 PM
Hmm, so Nelson Cruz was pitching when David Freese hit that extra inning home run. Thanks, subby, because I thought that was Mark Lowe.
bighasbeen
2012-02-09 07:48:13 PM
mikemoto
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Hmm, so Nelson Cruz was pitching when David Freese hit that extra inning home run. Thanks, subby, because I thought that was Mark Lowe.
I thought Ron Washington changed his name.
germ78
2012-02-09 08:04:39 PM
I fail to see the irony in the headline.
GAT_00
2012-02-09 08:44:14 PM
That's a little high I'd think, particularly when he's still in arbitration. $8M for 2010 I'd approve, but only $7M for the 2011 numbers. So split it to $7.5M. Which interestingly enough is the top end of what he filed for in
arbitration
(scroll down).
Guess I have played enough OOTP to get good at contract guessing.
Peter von Nostrand
2012-02-09 08:48:01 PM
He shouldn't have been in the game in the first place. If Wash hadn't curiously pulled Gentry in the (iirc) 5th inning for a meaningless at bat when he didn't even pinch hit for the pitcher after him, the outfield would have been Gentry, Hamilton and Murphy. Murphy would have caught that ball and would have been positioned properly
neuroflare
2012-02-09 09:41:15 PM
BASEBALL! Baseball baseball baseball baseball!
lacydog
2012-02-09 09:46:05 PM
GAT_00
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That's a little high I'd think, particularly when he's still in arbitration. $8M for 2010 I'd approve, but only $7M for the 2011 numbers. So split it to $7.5M. Which interestingly enough is the top end of what he filed for in arbitration (scroll down).
Guess I have played enough OOTP to get good at contract guessing.
Remember that it's for two years. I guess the team figures his cost would go up next year?
I've seen a few teams do this as of late. Makes zero sense to me. If you're not buying out a free agent year or two... what's the point of these deals? You're sacrificing roster flexibility and removing any leverage you might have in contract negotiations. If Cruz goes out and bombs this year, you could have had him next year for far less than $8MM.
/Been meaning to get into OOTP
//Baseball Mogul only gets me so far
I Have The Touch of a Shocked Monkey
2012-02-09 09:51:45 PM
CRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuu.... Oh, wrong Cruz? *walks away ashamedly*
lajotu
2012-02-09 09:52:10 PM
lacydog
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I've seen a few teams do this as of late. Makes zero sense to me. If you're not buying out a free agent year or two... what's the point of these deals? You're sacrificing roster flexibility and removing any leverage you might have in contract negotiations. If Cruz goes out and bombs this year, you could have had him next year for far less than $8MM.
The Rangers always seem to have a big-name Hispanic player on their team. Might have something to do with the market in Texas, I dunno.
GAT_00
2012-02-09 09:59:24 PM
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I guess the team figures his cost would go up next year?
If he has a better season, or at the very least a consistent season, his arbitration value is probably higher.
Plus players don't particularly like arbitration. It's out of their control what they make, they have to argue the case to MLB and they decide what they're worth. And he has to get arbitration. One way or another, unless you cut him, he's going to get paid. He's a Ranger until he hits FA.
West_Side_Charlie
2012-02-09 09:59:56 PM
lajotu
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The Rangers always seem to have a big-name Hispanic player on their team. Might have something to do with the market in Texas, I dunno.
Or that pretty much every team does.
Larry Mahnken
2012-02-09 10:12:13 PM
mikemoto
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Hmm, so Nelson Cruz was pitching when David Freese hit that extra inning home run. Thanks, subby, because I thought that was Mark Lowe.
No, Nelson Cruz is the guy who turned a series-ending fly ball into a game-tying triple in the bottom of the ninth inning by stopping well short of the wall and letting the ball go over his head.
The Bestest
2012-02-09 10:14:16 PM
neuroflare
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BASEBALL! Baseball baseball baseball baseball!
yes indeedy
jayhawk88
2012-02-09 10:23:11 PM
Hey if you're so sick of him Texas, send him KC way. We'll let you have Betancourt in return. Straight up!
Di Atribe
2012-02-09 10:34:37 PM
I just wanted to remind everyone that after that
walk off grand slam in the bottom of the 11th in game 2 of the ALCS
(new window), I couldn't find a Cruz jersey or t-shirt anywhere. He's still a beloved member of the team. I ain't even mad.
lajotu
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The Rangers always seem to have a big-name Hispanic player on their team. Might have something to do with the market in Texas, I dunno.
That's..... racist?
Gilliam317
2012-02-09 10:42:33 PM
neuroflare
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BASEBALL! Baseball baseball baseball baseball!
This. I cannot wait till April. We need a weekly baseball thread that covers all the week's events.
Uncle Pooky
2012-02-09 10:50:22 PM
Thanks, Subby. For the initial laugh, and then the reminder of one of the most emotional and ultimately heartbreaking nights of my life.
Quel
2012-02-09 11:41:39 PM
Coincidentally, I'm currently drinking a beer out of one of my 2011 Cardinals World Series Champions pint glasses.
The Bestest
2012-02-10 12:00:54 AM
Uncle Pooky
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Thanks, Subby. For the initial laugh, and then the reminder of one of the most emotional and ultimately heartbreaking nights of my life.
It's kinda funny.. even as an impartial observer I knew.. there was kinda no point in watching Game 7. You just -knew- the Rangers weren't going to recover from that.
Uncle Pooky
2012-02-10 12:06:20 AM
The Bestest
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Uncle Pooky: Thanks, Subby. For the initial laugh, and then the reminder of one of the most emotional and ultimately heartbreaking nights of my life.
It's kinda funny.. even as an impartial observer I knew.. there was kinda no point in watching Game 7. You just -knew- the Rangers weren't going to recover from that.
I absolutely didn't watch Game 7, just couldn't. Pretty much stayed off the computer and watched no TV either. I was spent.
camelwalk
2012-02-10 12:26:45 AM
They're hoping he will morph into the second coming of Babe Ruth one playoff series later...
//dejected Tigers fan
zarberg
2012-02-10 03:29:43 AM
I'm thinking Cruz might be getting the contract because the front office is pondering what to do with their relapsing former all-star.
/OotP is fun, but the interface is so damn clunky
//Mogul is great for just mindless simming
///beta-tester for Mogul, run an
OotP league
SharkTrager
2012-02-10 08:28:46 AM
lajotu
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lacydog: I've seen a few teams do this as of late. Makes zero sense to me. If you're not buying out a free agent year or two... what's the point of these deals? You're sacrificing roster flexibility and removing any leverage you might have in contract negotiations. If Cruz goes out and bombs this year, you could have had him next year for far less than $8MM.
The Rangers always seem to have a big-name Hispanic player on their team. Might have something to do with the market in Texas, I dunno.
If only Feliz were hispanic. Or maybe Andrus.
lajotu
2012-02-10 08:40:23 AM
SharkTrager
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Or maybe Andrus.
Funny you should mention Andrus... Since they also avoided arbitration with him Wednesday, giving him about $1M more per year than what he was asking.
lajotu
2012-02-10 08:45:17 AM
lajotu
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giving him about $1M more per year than what he was asking.
Incidentally, they absolutely overpaid for Andrus and Cruz. But Nolan seems to be sending a message to the rest of the players around the league about treating players well. It'll be interesting to see the next chapter of the Josh Hamilton saga.
inert
2012-02-10 09:06:35 AM
Freakin Rican
2012-02-10 09:18:20 AM
lajotu
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lacydog: I've seen a few teams do this as of late. Makes zero sense to me. If you're not buying out a free agent year or two... what's the point of these deals? You're sacrificing roster flexibility and removing any leverage you might have in contract negotiations. If Cruz goes out and bombs this year, you could have had him next year for far less than $8MM.
The Rangers
The MLB
always seem to have a big-name Hispanic player on their team. Might have something to do with the market
in Texas
, I dunno.
this just in latin players play on every team in the MLB
lajotu
2012-02-10 09:32:48 AM
Freakin Rican
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this just in latin players play on every team in the MLB
obvious joke TOO obvious?
moefuggenbrew
2012-02-10 09:35:22 AM
that is all
phyrkrakr
2012-02-10 09:35:30 AM
That reminds me, I need to get those DVDs off the shelf and watch that game again. I meant to do that before spring training starts, just have a few weeks left.
It always seems like the Cards, when they make a World Series run, have one of those moments where it's absolutely completely on the line and they manage to pull through and win. Like Beltran in the NLCS in 06, or Freese in the bottom of the 9th last year. I really thought the Pujols-Lidge 2005 NLCS was going to be one of those, but it didn't work out that way.
FreakinB
2012-02-10 09:51:07 AM
lajotu
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lacydog: I've seen a few teams do this as of late. Makes zero sense to me. If you're not buying out a free agent year or two... what's the point of these deals? You're sacrificing roster flexibility and removing any leverage you might have in contract negotiations. If Cruz goes out and bombs this year, you could have had him next year for far less than $8MM.
The Rangers always seem to have a big-name Hispanic player on their team. Might have something to do with the market in Texas, I dunno.
Which is different from most other baseball teams...how?
happydude45
2012-02-10 11:29:24 AM
lajotu: giving him about $1M more per year than what he was asking.
Incidentally, they absolutely overpaid for Andrus and Cruz. But Nolan seems to be sending a message to the rest of the players around the league about treating players well. It'll be interesting to see the next chapter of the Josh Hamilton saga.
True. One thing is for sure, they aren't kidding about trying to keep the core intact. When Nolan says something, he means it.
chimp_ninja
2012-02-10 01:47:22 PM
I'm not a Rangers fan, but I pull for Nelson Cruz. He had that 4-year run from 2005-08 where he would absolutely murder the ball in AAA, get promoted to the bigs, flail hopelessly, and repeat the cycle. 155 minor league HRs is a dubious distinction. You could tell he had the ability to hit in the bigs, but for a while he was the poster boy for the "AAAA" guy who just couldn't take that last step. I was happy to see him finally break through at the end of '08, and good on Nolan for sticking with him.
The WS fielding bumble was ugly, but I doubt the Rangers are playing in the WS if it wasn't for Nelson Cruz single-handedly dismantling the Tigers' pitching staff. (He hit .364/.440/1.273, hitting 6 of the Rangers' 7 HR.)
dionysos
2012-02-10 05:09:18 PM
chimp_ninja
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I'm not a Rangers fan, but I pull for Nelson Cruz. He had that 4-year run from 2005-08 where he would absolutely murder the ball in AAA, get promoted to the bigs, flail hopelessly, and repeat the cycle. 155 minor league HRs is a dubious distinction. You could tell he had the ability to hit in the bigs, but for a while he was the poster boy for the "AAAA" guy who just couldn't take that last step. I was happy to see him finally break through at the end of '08, and good on Nolan for sticking with him.
The WS fielding bumble was ugly,
but I doubt the Rangers are playing in the WS if it wasn't for Nelson Cruz single-handedly dismantling the Tigers' pitching staff. (He hit .364/.440/1.273, hitting 6 of the Rangers' 7 HR.)
Don't worry about that part so much, we're making a goat here.
proteus_b
2012-02-10 08:41:24 PM
as a cardinals' fan, i guess i'll try to interpret subby's retard-speak for the rest of us. what the headline says is "texas rangers lucky to resign nelson cruz for eight million per annum, who brought them to game 7 of the world series"
Uncle Pooky
2012-02-11 01:48:27 AM
proteus_b
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as a cardinals' fan, i guess i'll try to interpret subby's retard-speak for the rest of us. what the headline says is "texas rangers lucky to resign nelson cruz for eight million per annum, who brought them to game 7 of the world series"
Having sat next to many Cardinals fans during WS games 3 and 4, your attitude is unsurprising.
Trapper439
2012-02-11 07:08:47 AM
Again, it's not a real "World Championship" if only a handful of countries actually participate in the sport. Are the winners of the all-Ireland gaelic football trophy "World Champions" of gaelic football?
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