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2012-02-09 11:54:53 AM
5 day waiting period? It is a 3 minute call to the ATF after you fill out the 4473 and you are good to go.
 
2012-02-09 12:01:17 PM
LOL, "5-day waiting period"

Nice fear mongering, MSNBC.
 
2012-02-09 12:09:57 PM
"police-grade pistol"
"even a 50-caliber weapon so powerful it could take down a helicopter."
"buy a freaking AK-47"
"tactical assault rifle modified to use bullets for an AK-47"
"easy-to-conceal pistol"

Media like scare mongering detected


Not to say the problem is not real, but this article is pure crap
 
2012-02-09 12:22:59 PM

sullyman: 5 day waiting period? It is a 3 minute call to the ATF after you fill out the 4473 and you are good to go.


I think some states have a mandatory waiting period before you can take possession even after you've passed the federal background check. /shrug
 
2012-02-09 12:31:24 PM
I'm. So. Scared.

Hold me.
 
2012-02-09 12:45:46 PM
This article makes me want to break out the AK-47s and Barrett 50 cal I bought after a 15 minute background check at my local gun store. To defend myself from crazy people like the author.
 
2012-02-09 12:54:57 PM

zedster: Not to say the problem is not real, but this article is pure crap


The "problem" is that private firearms transactions between individuals are somewhat unregulated. They don't want you to be able to buy a gun without getting the approval of the federal government.

They haven't been able to get any traction with yelling about the nonexistent 'gun show loophole', so now they are gonna try the 'internet loophole'.
 
2012-02-09 01:01:12 PM

dittybopper: They haven't been able to get any traction with yelling about the nonexistent 'gun show loophole', so now they are gonna try the 'internet loophole'.


Which 15 years ago would have been called the 'newspaper classifieds loophole'.
 
2012-02-09 01:31:40 PM

Pfactor: sullyman: 5 day waiting period? It is a 3 minute call to the ATF after you fill out the 4473 and you are good to go.

I think some states have a mandatory waiting period before you can take possession even after you've passed the federal background check. /shrug


I'm pretty sure there's no waiting period down here in Louisiana. Or background checks. Went to a gun show with a friend who still had a California drivers license. They could have sold him the gun right then and there, but had to abide by the laws of where ever his ID was from (Cali does have a waiting period and background checks.)

I didn't get all the details, because I didn't care. End result is he didn't get the gun, but could have if he changed is license back to LA.
 
2012-02-09 01:38:12 PM

Pfactor: sullyman: 5 day waiting period? It is a 3 minute call to the ATF after you fill out the 4473 and you are good to go.

I think some states have a mandatory waiting period before you can take possession even after you've passed the federal background check. /shrug


For long guns? I'm not 100%, but I don't think so. Certainly not here in WA.

That certainly was a... scary article.
 
2012-02-09 01:38:55 PM

zedster: Media like scare mongering detected


And I love it when they try to scare people with "semiautomatic" weapon. Hey folks! know where else you can buy a semiautomatic rifle? Any Walmart or sporting goods store in this country!
 
wee [TotalFark]
2012-02-09 01:49:13 PM

zedster: Not to say the problem is not real, but this article is pure crap


That was a very terrible article indeed.
 
2012-02-09 01:50:10 PM

violentsalvation: dittybopper: They haven't been able to get any traction with yelling about the nonexistent 'gun show loophole', so now they are gonna try the 'internet loophole'.

Which 15 years ago would have been called the 'newspaper classifieds loophole'.


Or the "bulletin board at work" loophole.
 
2012-02-09 01:51:57 PM

dittybopper: violentsalvation: dittybopper: They haven't been able to get any traction with yelling about the nonexistent 'gun show loophole', so now they are gonna try the 'internet loophole'.

Which 15 years ago would have been called the 'newspaper classifieds loophole'.

Or the "bulletin board at work" loophole.


This all happened in parking lots, time to ban parking lots!
 
2012-02-09 02:18:02 PM

violentsalvation: dittybopper: They haven't been able to get any traction with yelling about the nonexistent 'gun show loophole', so now they are gonna try the 'internet loophole'.

Which 15 years ago would have been called the 'newspaper classifieds loophole'.


And seeing as how no newspaper (or Craigslist I think, don't know for sure as I haven't checked) will accept ads any longer for firearms, that 'loophole' has been closed.


My favorite parking lot story was a few years ago when the Boy Scout Troop that I was involved with bought 15+ .22 rifles from a Scout camp that was upgrading theirs (our Troop has it's own range). We worked out the details while we were at the camp that summer & then once the camp closed for the year we met halfway there in a Walmart parking lot to buy the rifles (beautiful Winchester & Remington WW2 trainers). Imagine if you will two relatively scruffy individuals (myself & the guy keeping me company) sitting in a van when another van pulls up next to them. After a quick round of handshakes from out of the other van rifle after rifle after rifle get handed out (uncased as they were keeping them for the new rifles & we hadn't bought ours yet) & loaded up into my van. Joking that we were probably putting on quite a show & that the police were likely to show up with the SWAT team at any moment, I looked over & a couple cars down was a mother who's eyes were getting bigger & bigger & she kept clutching her daughter closer & closer. Amazingly enough she didn't call the police (or they didn't bother to show up - not likely). I guess we looked like the area's normal rednecks rather than a herd of terrorists.
 
2012-02-09 02:19:31 PM
Still is not going to get me a Patriot missile battery to put in my backyard.
 
2012-02-09 02:19:52 PM
Hmmm, my csb tags were erased. Ah well, hopefully that big block of text will scare off those not wanting to read it.
 
2012-02-09 02:20:58 PM
dcist.com

Waiting period, But I'm angry now!
 
2012-02-09 02:23:00 PM

downstairs: They could have sold him the gun right then and there, but had to abide by the laws of where ever his ID was from


Nope, it's a federal thing. You can't travel out of state (with some exceptions, and I can't remember what they are) and buy a gun.
 
2012-02-09 02:23:52 PM
"even a 50-caliber weapon so powerful it could take down a helicopter."

movieactors.com

Yeah, it's a 50 caliber. They used to use it to hunt buffalo with... up close! It's only legal in two states. And this isn't one of them.
 
2012-02-09 02:25:48 PM
So...MSNBC has their very own Ric Romero now?

Well, that's very nice for them.
 
2012-02-09 02:27:28 PM
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Obviously used for the research on this story.
 
2012-02-09 02:28:04 PM
It's not news, it's MSNBC...
 
2012-02-09 02:28:45 PM
Wait till they find out that you don't even need the internet! Interenet, gun show, back alley, or Hill Valley Mall parking lot at 2 a.m.? It doesn't matter. Any person(non-vendor)-to-person sale is not regulated by federal laws.
 
2012-02-09 02:29:32 PM

Pfactor: I think some states have a mandatory waiting period before you can take possession even after you've passed the federal background check. /shrug


Maryland does for handguns. You can clean the rest of your firearms to pass the time. I never understood the point behind the waiting period for people that already own a handgun.
 
2012-02-09 02:29:36 PM
I'm still waiting for a resonable definition by govt/media over what an Assault Rifle is.
 
2012-02-09 02:32:48 PM

rnatalie: "even a 50-caliber weapon so powerful it could take down a helicopter."

[movieactors.com image 482x310]

Yeah, it's a 50 caliber. They used to use it to hunt buffalo with... up close! It's only legal in two states. And this isn't one of them.


i love you
 
2012-02-09 02:32:56 PM
It's just a plot to make Geraldo and Wolf Blitzer look like credible reporters by comparason.
 
2012-02-09 02:32:59 PM

wee: zedster: Not to say the problem is not real, but this article is pure crap

That was a very terrible article indeed.


It was MSNBC. Did you really expect anything other than far left fearmongering?

/Exploding GM pickups, anyone?
 
2012-02-09 02:33:02 PM
Christ, these f'ing people misuse "loophole" even worse than they misuse the term "assault rifle."

It's not a loophole; it's simply something that has never been illegal (in most states, at least).
 
2012-02-09 02:33:31 PM
Yeah, bringing down a plane is impressive, but will it shoot through schools?

images.sodahead.com
 
2012-02-09 02:33:33 PM
MSNBC... it's like the giant gaping asshole that liberals like to swim in.
 
2012-02-09 02:33:35 PM
I want a freaking .50 caliber AK47 that shoots Glocks at police grade helicopters!

I'd also be willing to meet them at any FFL dealer of their choice to take that evil .50 cal off them for $100. They obviously don't want it...
 
2012-02-09 02:34:00 PM
wow, that was farking hysterical.
 
2012-02-09 02:34:41 PM

ScouserDuck: I'm still waiting for a resonable definition by govt/media over what an Assault Rifle is.


A select fire rifle chambered in an intermediate cartridge is the technical definition. Anything with black plastic furniture or a banana magazine is the media definition.

What 5 day waiting period? For an actual assault rife it's more like 3-6 months waiting on BAFTE. Otherwise there isn't one in most states.
 
2012-02-09 02:34:52 PM

cgraves67: Any person(non-vendor)-to-person sale is not regulated by federal laws.


How many guns can I sell in a given time period before I'm considered a dealer?
 
2012-02-09 02:35:57 PM

zedster: Not to say the problem is not real, but this article is pure crap


I agree... they dumped every scary word they could find into it. This article was so over-the-top, in fact, that it made the problem seem fake.

So, someone with more knowledge than me please explain: is it legal for a private owner to sell any non-FFL-covered weapon to anyone without paperwork, ID, record of transfer?
 
2012-02-09 02:36:28 PM
I think perhaps the idiots at MSNBC and other media outlets need to have their backgrounds checked and a 10 federal business day wait before printing a paper, making a broadcast, or expressing an opinion.

If they wish to broadcast something particularly inflammatory or unpopular, they may do so after notifying the FCC of their intent but only if the FCC allows it. The FCC shall have 15 federal business days to respond with "approve", "denied" or "delayed". If the response is a delay, the broadcaster may make the broadcast but only after waiting an additional 15 federal business days unless the FCC issues a denial in that time period.

Also, for the commercial broadcasters, I think they need to keep a bound book paper record of everything broadcast (both words and pictures, each individual frame from video) for the FCC to inspect whenever they like without notice with no more than 364 days between each inspection. Should the broadcasters not want to do this, they must immediately contact the FCC and surrender their broadcast license and all equipment, and provide said bound book records to the FCC for permament archiving.
 
2012-02-09 02:38:27 PM

Recoil Therapy: violentsalvation: dittybopper: They haven't been able to get any traction with yelling about the nonexistent 'gun show loophole', so now they are gonna try the 'internet loophole'.

Which 15 years ago would have been called the 'newspaper classifieds loophole'.

And seeing as how no newspaper (or Craigslist I think, don't know for sure as I haven't checked) will accept ads any longer for firearms, that 'loophole' has been closed.


I just bought an SP-10 9mm off of Craigslist. Nice gun. No checks for me. Maybe they care where you live, but up here in Alaska, Craigslist will post guns.
 
2012-02-09 02:38:29 PM

factoryconnection: zedster: Not to say the problem is not real, but this article is pure crap

I agree... they dumped every scary word they could find into it. This article was so over-the-top, in fact, that it made the problem seem fake.

So, someone with more knowledge than me please explain: is it legal for a private owner to sell any non-FFL-covered weapon to anyone without paperwork, ID, record of transfer?


It depends on the state and the firearm. Some states allow it for long guns only, some allow it for long guns and hand guns. The sale, however, must be an intrastate sale...meaning that the sale must take place in your home state, and you can only sell to a resident of the same state.
 
2012-02-09 02:39:30 PM
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GUNS!!! IN PARKING LOTS!! AK-47!!! GLOCK!!! POLICE GRADE!!! .50CAL!!! ASSAULT RIFLES!!!
 
2012-02-09 02:39:43 PM
It sounds like what they're trying to expose is straw purchasing (which are definitely illegal) whereby a person who is not legally prohibited from owning a gun will purchase one on behalf of someone else, likely because that person is prohibited from owning a gun for some reason. They try to make it sound as if this is common practice that legitimately licensed dealers engage in with full knowledge, but that's not the case. That exposes them to some serious federal ass-reaming, and they will lose their license to sell firearms if they're caught doing it, and that's something they take seriously.

Meanwhile, in my state of Florida, if I want to sell a gun to someone else, I can literally hand one to someone in a parking lot and its not illegal at all. No paperwork involved and I don't have to tell the government anything about it. :)
 
2012-02-09 02:40:04 PM
Let me guess... private sales... *clicks link* Ayup.

/old news is ancient.
 
2012-02-09 02:40:07 PM
So if the guy from Canada could not have bought a gun, his stalker victim would still be alive today?


This guy disagrees..


theinfosphere.org


/where there is malicious intent.. there is a way. *Stabby Stabby Stab Stab!*
 
2012-02-09 02:40:15 PM

factoryconnection: zedster: Not to say the problem is not real, but this article is pure crap

I agree... they dumped every scary word they could find into it. This article was so over-the-top, in fact, that it made the problem seem fake.

So, someone with more knowledge than me please explain: is it legal for a private owner to sell any non-FFL-covered weapon to anyone without paperwork, ID, record of transfer?


In Florida at least, it is completely legal for you as a private individual otherwise eligible to own and posses firearms to sell or buy any non NFA firearm to a likewise individual, no paperwork, no ID, no questions asked. Smart? no. Legal? yes.

I prefer and require a concealed weapon permit holder to sell to but will buy off anyone with a bill of sale and statement certifying the weapon has a clean history.
 
2012-02-09 02:40:20 PM
Oh, quit whining mass media.

This is just fear mongering because firearms are transferable without any licensing. You know, the idea that private people can make personal deals.

/And good fences make good neighbors.
 
2012-02-09 02:40:45 PM
Great writing there, Lou. Seven paragraphs worth of "online gun sales" mentions, and tons of fear words like criminal, terrorists, and murder before we see what he's really talking about. PRIVATE online gun sales. Online gun sales from businesses require the same background checks, and the added step of going through a FFL in your area, since NO online gun store will ship a gun straight to you.
 
2012-02-09 02:41:07 PM

oren0: cgraves67: Any person(non-vendor)-to-person sale is not regulated by federal laws.

How many guns can I sell in a given time period before I'm considered a dealer?


The law isn't structured like that. You're not allowed to be in the business of buying and selling firearms, so anything you sell has to come from your private collection and go to a private individual from your state. (Selling cross-state requires an FFL.) Whether or not your rapid sales of firearms to others constitutes a business rather than rapid turnover of a private collection would be something that prosecutors have to prove, and a jury will have to ultimately decide.
 
2012-02-09 02:41:47 PM
I am having to review Sales Orders the Marketing team set up today, so this *probably* won't be the dumbest thing I read today...


...but it damn sure is making a strong bid for it.
 
2012-02-09 02:42:21 PM
In CA, there is a 10 day waiting period. Any sales of guns must go through an FFL holder, who charge you $75 for the privilege if it's from out of state. And you can only buy one new gun per 30 days. That limits you to only 12 handguns per year.
 
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