EyeballKid: Please. He's not even the hottest rookie on the Knicks' roster.

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Heal up soon, Jorts.

He's not a rookie, so he's not in contention for that honor.

Not surprising, considering on the Ivy titles they won when he was at Harvard. Oh wait...

/ Go Big Red!

degenerate-afro: I wonder why a Wizards / Knicks post has a LeBron tag.

Anyway, why is ESPN talking about this game like it's some amazing revelation on how good Lin is? The Wizards suck. The only team worse than the Wizards are the Bobcats and even that is debatable. Beating the Wizards should never be front page news on ESPN or any other site and shouldn't be used to judge the skills of any player.

Because Asian-American kids from Harvard don't usually score 20+ points in three straight games while leading the team in the country's large media market to victories.

And he's got his own couch (new window)!

I liked this line from probasketballtalk

"LIN-SANITY!! Jeremy Lin has some game. I know, I've been one of the guys trying to apply some breaks to the runaway Jeremy Lin train, because I've seen this movie before (there was a time Lakers fans were convinced Smush Parker was the future)."

The kid is fun to watch and I hope nothing but the worst for him and the Knicks.

/from a family of Knicks fans
//cant help myself.

Moopy Mac: degenerate-afro: I wonder why a Wizards / Knicks post has a LeBron tag.

Anyway, why is ESPN talking about this game like it's some amazing revelation on how good Lin is? The Wizards suck. The only team worse than the Wizards are the Bobcats and even that is debatable. Beating the Wizards should never be front page news on ESPN or any other site and shouldn't be used to judge the skills of any player.

Because Asian-American kids from Harvard don't usually score 20+ points in three straight games while leading the team in the country's large media market to victories.

So why is that news, but the Venezuelan sensation Greivis Vasquez averaging 17.5 and 8.75 assists over a 4 game stretch not even bat an eyebrow?

Rwa2play: /Knick fan
//putting us on the same level as Laker fans?
///that's punishable by death if you say that in NYC.


I lived deep in enemy territory for a long time. Knicks fans were slumbering giants when I was there. Slumbering giants buried deep beneath the Earth's crust. You guys were real hard to find.

merkey88: Moopy Mac: degenerate-afro: I wonder why a Wizards / Knicks post has a LeBron tag.

Anyway, why is ESPN talking about this game like it's some amazing revelation on how good Lin is? The Wizards suck. The only team worse than the Wizards are the Bobcats and even that is debatable. Beating the Wizards should never be front page news on ESPN or any other site and shouldn't be used to judge the skills of any player.

Because Asian-American kids from Harvard don't usually score 20+ points in three straight games while leading the team in the country's large media market to victories.

So why is that news, but the Venezuelan sensation Greivis Vasquez averaging 17.5 and 8.75 assists over a 4 game stretch not even bat an eyebrow?

1) Vasquez went to a basketball power
2) He plays in the 2nd smallest market in the league
3) Did his team even win those games?
4) He's far from the first Hispanic player in the NBA. Ginoboli did it ten years ago ten times better.

I think I could get a double-double against the Nets, Jazz, and Wizards.

/If he does that against the Heat, Pacers, and Bulls, he could be a breakout star

"The things that are real are his vision, which won't change; his speed, which won't change; his knowledge of the game, which won't change. I think it can only get better."

How can it get better, if it doesn't change?

germ78: I think I could get a double-double against the Nets, Jazz, and Wizards.

/If he does that against the Heat, Pacers, and Bulls, he could be a breakout star

I certainly don't see Lin keeping this up, but I do see him providing quality minutes at PG for a team that can make the playoffs with a decent PG (something it currently lacks). He is potentially a big addition for the Knicks and exactly what they need now.

But I see he is already starting to get the Rubio treatment from the same two segments of NBA fans:

1) Weekend warriors that discredit the ability of white (particularly foreign)/asian players (see above for example); and

2) Fans of only "explosive" and "athletic" players, many of which happen to fall into that demographic.

/The comments on every ESPN article on Rubio over the last two years (before this season began) have been priceless.

skrame: "The things that are real are his vision, which won't change; his speed, which won't change; his knowledge of the game, which won't change. I think it can only get better."

How can it get better, if it doesn't change?

I saw the post game and the reporter's question was something along the lines of "Do you believe he can keep this up?" which implies the question of whether his skills will slip. So D'Antoni was saying he didn't see his skills changing for the worse.

/yeah I know you were just being a smartass

Moopy Mac: germ78: I think I could get a double-double against the Nets, Jazz, and Wizards.

/If he does that against the Heat, Pacers, and Bulls, he could be a breakout star

I certainly don't see Lin keeping this up, but I do see him providing quality minutes at PG for a team that can make the playoffs with a decent PG (something it currently lacks). He is potentially a big addition for the Knicks and exactly what they need now.

But I see he is already starting to get the Rubio treatment from the same two segments of NBA fans:

1) Weekend warriors that discredit the ability of white (particularly foreign)/asian players (see above for example); and

2) Fans of only "explosive" and "athletic" players, many of which happen to fall into that demographic.

/The comments on every ESPN article on Rubio over the last two years (before this season began) have been priceless.

The guy plays with a ton of heart and passion. He has moxy and that is one of those intangables that one needs to be a successful role player. He will lead by example with his intangibles and fundamentally sound play.

/did I miss any?
//Oh yea.....
///he is the kind of guy who would run through a wall

merkey88: So why is that news, but the Venezuelan sensation Greivis Vasquez averaging 17.5 and 8.75 assists over a 4 game stretch not even bat an eyebrow?

Because the Knicks have meandered through this season lacking a true PG to run D'Antoni's offense. So a team with enough talent to compete in the playoffs has been floundering. Now Lin shows up, completely unheralded, and looks like he could save the Knicks' season . Compare this to Vasquez, who has put up good numbers while the Hornets continue to lose, as everyone expects them to.

I can't wait to see him get 30 points and 10 assists and lead the Knicks over the Lakers tomorrow night.

merkey88:
Lin is getting hype over other players who put up 20+/8+ over a couple of games because of his unique background. He's Asian and playing a position that nobody has ever seen Asians come close to being able to play at even the college level. Unrecruited out of HS, went to Harvard, undrafted out of college, twice waived and never getting over 8 minutes a game before this. Vasquez, by comparison, was a 1st round draft pick so clearly there were expectations for him at least at some point in the past.

degenerate-afro: When he does this consistently against teams that aren't the Wizards, I'll be more impressed. For now, I think they should tone down the hype before he becomes Tebow 2.0.

Unlike Tebow, who has a horrible completion percentage and an underwhelming QB rating, Lin has had good stats in the extended time he's been playing:

vs Nets: 35 min played, 25pts (10 of 19), 7 asts, 5 rb, 2 stls, 1 TO, +13 (led team)
vs Jazz: 45 min played, 28 pts (10 of 17), 8 asts, 2 rb, 2 stls, 8 TO (most of which occurred in the 4th when he was exhausted), +12 (2nd best on team)
vs Wizards: 35 min played, 23 pts (9 of 14), 10 asts, 4 rbs, 1 stl, 1 blk, 2 TO, +18 (2nd best on team)

Say what you will about the competition, but this is still the NBA, so if you can put up these types of numbers while helping your team win there's a good chance you have a career ahead of you. He might not ever be an all-star (or maybe he will), but he's shown enough skill to keep the starting PG position for the Knicks. Don't forget that with their other attempts at PG, the Knicks managed to lose to Toronto, Charlotte, Memphis, Phoenix, Milwaukee, Cleveland and Houston. Those are all teams which I would compare to the Nets, Jazz or Wizards.

dumbgai: merkey88:
Lin is getting hype over other players who put up 20+/8+ over a couple of games because of his unique background. He's Asian and playing a position that nobody has ever seen Asians come close to being able to play at even the college level. Unrecruited out of HS, went to Harvard, undrafted out of college, twice waived and never getting over 8 minutes a game before this. Vasquez, by comparison, was a 1st round draft pick so clearly there were expectations for him at least at some point in the past.

Don't you get it? He is Asian, that is all that matter.

robsul82: The Knicks having the Asian Tim Tebow...that's hilarious.

He is the reincarnation of Tebow's success.

Knicks Per 48 Mins This Season With And Without Lin

Lin On Court | Lin Off Court

Points per 100 possessions -- 108.0 | 96.4
Assists -- 21.1 | 18.5
Field goal percentage -- 47.7 | 41.9
Points in the paint -- 48.3 | 37.4

Gunny Highway: Moopy Mac: germ78: I think I could get a double-double against the Nets, Jazz, and Wizards.

/If he does that against the Heat, Pacers, and Bulls, he could be a breakout star

I certainly don't see Lin keeping this up, but I do see him providing quality minutes at PG for a team that can make the playoffs with a decent PG (something it currently lacks). He is potentially a big addition for the Knicks and exactly what they need now.

But I see he is already starting to get the Rubio treatment from the same two segments of NBA fans:

1) Weekend warriors that discredit the ability of white (particularly foreign)/asian players (see above for example); and

2) Fans of only "explosive" and "athletic" players, many of which happen to fall into that demographic.

/The comments on every ESPN article on Rubio over the last two years (before this season began) have been priceless.

The guy plays with a ton of heart and passion. He has moxy and that is one of those intangables that one needs to be a successful role player. He will lead by example with his intangibles and fundamentally sound play.

/did I miss any?
//Oh yea.....
///he is the kind of guy who would run through a wall

He's got a really high basketball IQ and there is no doubting his grit.

degenerate-afro: dumbgai: Vasquez, by comparison, was a 1st round draft pick so clearly there were expectations for him at least at some point in the past.

You didn't follow Vasquez while he was in Maryland. He wasn't a starter and barely spoke english at first. He earned his starting spot through hard work and worked his way up from no where to be a first round pick. Everyone has to prove themselves at some point. Well unless they are 7'10" in which case they just have to be bigger than everyone else.

CSB but absolutely irrelevant to the conversation.

The attention he's getting is due to how completely unlikely his story is.

In addition to the points others have made (being cut multiple times, undrafted, etc etc), it's notable to mention that he's not a star athlete by any stretch of the imagination.

I think his appeal goes farther than just Asian American. He's not particularly fast, strong, big, or accurate. He's been a bench warmer his whole life, being demoted to D-league multiple times. By all accounts he shouldn't be there, but somehow he's playing well and helping his team win. It shows that the game is not all about freak athleticism, height, and muscles.

He comes off as a really regular guy who willpowered his way into the NBA through hard work and humility.

tortilla burger: The attention he's getting is due to how completely unlikely his story is.

In addition to the points others have made (being cut multiple times, undrafted, etc etc), it's notable to mention that he's not a star athlete by any stretch of the imagination.

I think his appeal goes farther than just Asian American. He has moxy's not particularly fast, strong, big, or accurate. He's been a bench warmer his whole life, being demoted to D-league multiple times. By all accounts he shouldn't be there, but somehow he's playing well and helping his team win. It shows that the game is not all about freak athleticism, height, and muscles.

He comes off as a really regular guy who willpowered his way into the NBA through hard work and humility.

roncofooddehydrator: skrame: "The things that are real are his vision, which won't change; his speed, which won't change; his knowledge of the game, which won't change. I think it can only get better."

How can it get better, if it doesn't change?

I saw the post game and the reporter's question was something along the lines of "Do you believe he can keep this up?" which implies the question of whether his skills will slip. So D'Antoni was saying he didn't see his skills changing for the worse.

/yeah I know you were just being a smartass

I wasn't only being a smartass; the article didn't provide any context for the quote, so it didn't make sense as a standalone statement. Thanks for the context.

Once again, not being a smartass: How is Lin listed as the top performer, when Chandler outscored him by 2, outrebounded him by 7, and tied him in assists and blocks?

French Rage: Not surprising, considering on the Ivy titles they won when he was at Harvard. Oh wait...

/ Go Big Red!

On one hand, cool to see the Knicks playing well, a possible star asian player, a good story, and I guess go Ivies.

On the other hand, fark Harvard.

/Went to a hockey game @harvard this year.
//Best chant their bros could come up with was "suck it red."

skrame: How is Lin listed as the top performer, when Chandler outscored him by 2, outrebounded him by 7, and tied him in assists and blocks?

Because the Knicks back court sucks and he does not. I didnt watch the game so I dont know if this is true in this particular case BUT a players impact on the game is not always reflected on the stat sheet.

Why can't the Warriors ever get lucky and land a player like Lin?

skrame: roncofooddehydrator: skrame: "The things that are real are his vision, which won't change; his speed, which won't change; his knowledge of the game, which won't change. I think it can only get better."

How can it get better, if it doesn't change?

I saw the post game and the reporter's question was something along the lines of "Do you believe he can keep this up?" which implies the question of whether his skills will slip. So D'Antoni was saying he didn't see his skills changing for the worse.

/yeah I know you were just being a smartass

I wasn't only being a smartass; the article didn't provide any context for the quote, so it didn't make sense as a standalone statement. Thanks for the context.

Once again, not being a smartass: How is Lin listed as the top performer, when Chandler outscored him by 2, outrebounded him by 7, and tied him in assists and blocks?

It's amazing that Chandler was able to dish out ten assists from his center position. I can't wait to go to the box score and confirm your statement.

10 v 2

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Gunny Highway: "LIN-SANITY!! Jeremy Lin has some game. I know, I've been one of the guys trying to apply some breaks to the runaway Jeremy Lin train, because I've seen this movie before (there was a time Lakers fans were convinced Smush Parker was the future).

I don't know one person who thought Smush was ever anything but a punishment to Kobe for causing Shaq to be traded.

I feel like people need to understand that most Knick fans don't think Lin will be an All-Star. We're going nuts because we FINALLY have a PG. We're f*cking delighted.

We see the ball moving on P&R's and we're near tears.