serial_crusher: MeinRS6: "If you don't give us money, we'll tell everyone that you hate women!"

Pretty much this. They've spun a good narrative by bundling abortion with everything else in the "women's health" umbrella. It sucks that Komen's decision not to fund abortionists would have resulted in a slight decrease in availability of breast cancer screenings, but I say the fault lies with Planned Parenthood for combining the two.

They politicized healthcare to legitimize abortion, then complain when people make political decisions about it. Can't have it both ways folks.

Abortion is legal, professor, it doesn't need to be "legitimized".

All Komen had to do was release a statement saying, "After all the millions of dollars in donations we've made to this date, Planned Parenthood has invested very little in any real medical breast cancer screening equipment, electing rather to pocket the money and perform simple digital screenings, which cost very little to perform, and maximize their bottom line."

Fight Conservatives using conservative tactics.

Examples:
1. Pro gay = you hate families, you like child molesters, you support anything that hurts children
2. Protest a war = you hate America
3. Pro cutting bloated defense spending = you hate the troops

Conservatives just hate getting a taste of their own medicine.

HAMMERTOE: All Komen had to do was release a statement saying, "After all the millions of dollars in donations we've made to this date, Planned Parenthood has invested very little in any real medical breast cancer screening equipment, electing rather to pocket the money and perform simple digital screenings, which cost very little to perform, and maximize their bottom line."

Shouldn't you be in another thread promoting the virtues of eating shiat?

PP is under constant attack from religious extremists, of course they have to play hardball, if the bible thumpers had their way it would cease to exist.

So Planned parenthood champions "Choice". --Unless that choice is whether or not you donate money to them. Hmmm.

It's been said that 97% of Planned Parenthood isn't abortion-related.
It's also been said that 90% of Hamas' (new window) activities aren't terrorism-related.

Yet everyone is OK with people thinking that Hamas is a terrorist group, but pro-abortion folks get their panties in a twist when someone refers to PP as an abortion organization. Double-standard much?

Are you glad that crime has been declining for a decade? Do you appreciate the fact that you don't have an STD? Thank planned parenthood.

kregh99: Fight Conservatives using conservative tactics.

Examples:
1. Pro gay = you hate families, you like child molesters, you support anything that hurts children
2. Protest a war = you hate America
3. Pro cutting bloated defense spending = you hate the troops

Conservatives just hate getting a taste of their own medicine.

Except anti-choicers actually do hate women. They only care about unborn babies. Once they're born, fark 'em, they can bootstrap themselves!

MeinRS6: "If you don't give us money, we'll tell everyone that you hate women!"

As opposed to their opponents: "If you do give them money, we'll tell everyone that you kill babies!"

So much better, am I right?

Look, it's simple: If you're going to use high-pressure tactics to fark the other guy, you better be prepared for the other guy to fark you right back. Planned Parenthood has been weathering this shiat from the righties for close to 30 years now, and they've become damn good at fighting back.

MeinRS6: What an extortion racquet. "If you don't give us money, we'll tell everyone that you hate women!"

Of course, TFA says nothing of the sort, and even says that they tried to work with AT&T to end AT&T's donations quietly so that it wouldn't be turned into a political issue, and AT&T is the one that refused and took the issue public to sate the bloodlust of right-wing extremists who were pressuring them.

And never mind that the only reason Komen defunded them was because a right-wing politician initiated a witch-hunt against them and coincidentally Komen just happened to have a brand new policy that prohibited them from donating to groups being "investigated". A policy which coincidentally only affected Planned Parenthood.

And let's just ignore the coincidence of the political ties of Komen's leadership to anti-choice activists and right-wing politicians. I'm sure that's all just a happenstance and had nothing to do with the decision. And never mind that Planned Parenthood, despite the fact that abortions make up a tiny fraction of its health services, has been under constant attack from the right for decades.

But, yea, Planned Parenthood is the one that made this all political.

Don't let reality get in your way even when it's laid out plain as day on the page in front of your face. You never have in the past and I doubt you ever will in the future.

What was Planned Parenthood supposed to do, lie back and try to enjoy it?

Interesting thing to come out of this: when the right-wing gets called on stuff like this, they immediately go into victim mode. Suddenly it's not about Planned Parenthood having their funding cut by some pathetic religious wacko who wants to rob women of their own rights, but not it's about Planned Parenthood being a big old bully against the poor middleman organization that also revealed that 90% of their donations go right into the pockets of the rich.

So not only does the right-wing not really believe the shiat they spout, they don't even have enough guts to stand up for their 'values' when people start to notice what it's really about. Maybe we should save some time and refer to the right-wing of America as 'lying sacks of shiat.' But then again, sacks of shiat have some actual use.

svenge: It's been said that 97% of Planned Parenthood isn't abortion-related.
It's also been said that 90% of Hamas' (new window) activities aren't terrorism-related.

Yet everyone is OK with people thinking that Hamas is a terrorist group, but pro-abortion folks get their panties in a twist when someone refers to PP as an abortion organization. Double-standard much?

This is the dumbest analogy I have read so far today.

Bravo, sir! Bravo!

Not sure that I totally agree with this article. While the historical statement about AT&T and such is factual, it seemed to me that most of the backlash against Komen was grassroots based and spread through social media among supporters of planned parenthood and what it stands for. I was never contacted by them or read any official statements from PP but I did see all of the double speak, hypocrisy and and false statements coming from Komen about the situation that was being covered both in the MSM and other websites.

svenge: It's been said that 97% of Planned Parenthood isn't abortion-related.
It's also been said that 90% of Hamas' (new window) activities aren't terrorism-related.

Yet everyone is OK with people thinking that Hamas is a terrorist group, but pro-abortion folks get their panties in a twist when someone refers to PP as an abortion organization. Double-standard much?

You know who ELSE opposes abortion and a woman's right to choose? RADICAL ISLAM!!!

Why do pro-life groups support the same things that Islamic terrorists do?

/see, I can make shiatty nonsensical analogies too

Warlordtrooper: jaylectricity: It's imperative for Planned Parenthood to show that it's either too strong to be touched or at least that it can only be abandoned with significant consequences.

Wow. I'm all for Planned Parenthood, but this is a scary line.

No it's not. We are at war with conservatives and I wish more liberals acted like it

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I don't really think there was an organized backlash against Komen by PP. As somebody above said, people were pissed off on their own, not because they got marching orders from PP. This article was about AT&T funding over 20 years ago and a thinly veiled attempt by the writer to make it seem that the same thing happened here, and I just haven't seen any evidence to support that claim.

My claim will be that the writer is a paid Komen shill, they are the ones that are still trying to do damage control because they really showed that they are a fundie organization that is more business than charity, and now that everybody knows it their brand is ruined, quite possibly for good.

Warlordtrooper: jaylectricity: It's imperative for Planned Parenthood to show that it's either too strong to be touched or at least that it can only be abandoned with significant consequences.

Wow. I'm all for Planned Parenthood, but this is a scary line.

No it's not. We are at war with conservatives and I wish more liberals acted like it

Be careful what you wish for. We all know who would lose if it got to actual low-level warfare. I'm sure your standard mailbox could fit a couple IEDs nicely.

theorellior: serial_crusher: They've spun a good narrative by bundling abortion with everything else in the "women's health" umbrella.

Abortion is part of women's reproductive health. At the risk of repeating statements that have been made ad nauseum, what's your procedure for an ectopic pregnancy? Prayer? Laying of hands? Anointing with oil?

Basically, FOAD.

You're being obtuse. Elective abortion (which is what most people have a problem with) is not part of reproductive health anymore than a facelift is part of facial health.

HAMMERTOE: All Komen had to do was release a statement saying, "After all the millions of dollars in donations we've made to this date, Planned Parenthood has invested very little in any real medical breast cancer screening equipment, electing rather to pocket the money and perform simple digital screenings, which cost very little to perform, and maximize their bottom line."

And you know what? They didn't, because PP was not cut off for a failure to meet grant expectations. They were cut off because of a "standing corporate policy" that was brand-new, applied only to PP, and was publicly cited as being a cover to cut off PP.

So you can defend them for making a choice that they didn't make, or accept that they were playing a political game to maximize their bottom line in bowing to Southern conservatives. Which is why they hired an avowed, Southern conservative and GOP starlet into the VP for Public Policy position.

svenge: It's been said that 97% of Planned Parenthood isn't abortion-related.
It's also been said that 90% of Hamas' (new window) activities aren't terrorism-related.

Because I believe one statement is false, all statements must be false.

Fail basic logic much?

From the looks of this thread, it seems as though the shills would prefer that Planned Parenthood just stood by and let the conservatives continue to falsely claim it is nothing more than a corrupt abortion factory that is destroying America.

How dare they fight back against people that mischaracterize their organization in an attempt to destroy Planned Parenthood. Shut up and take it.

Meanwhile, one guy in the House of Representatives goes on a political witch hunt and that is reason enough to strip the organization of funding.

That's a nice little breast cancer charity you have there. It would be a shame if anything happened to it.

GacysBasement: So Planned parenthood champions "Choice". --Unless that choice is whether or not you donate money to them. Hmmm.

Choices have consequences.

theorellior: hinten: I predict that you will read the words 'abortion bundle' several times in this thread.

Is that where you swaddle the blastocyst in pink blankets and put a little cap on it?

I thought it was where you get a free pap smear with every abortion.

jaylectricity: It's imperative for Planned Parenthood to show that it's either too strong to be touched or at least that it can only be abandoned with significant consequences.

Wow. I'm all for Planned Parenthood, but this is a scary line.

Given what they're up against and that failure to deliver on their mission is literally a matter of life and death for disadvantaged women, this is actually a reasonable and well-proportioned response. Good for them.

We all know who would lose if it got to actual low-level warfare.

Could you expand on that thought, please?

MeinRS6: What an extortion racquet. "If you don't give us money, we'll tell everyone that you hate women!"

Reminds me of the extortion crap that Jesse Jackson pulls.

I don't mind it if it's for a good cause. Why don't these big corporations just explain why they think unplanned pregnancies are such a great thing? Tell us all the benefits of more and more unwanted children?

It's not their fault anti-choice people are mean and crazy.

svenge: Elective abortion (which is what most people have a problem with)

The abortions that pro-life people oppose are the ones that people other than themselves or their families choose to have.

Pro-life politicians direct SGK to institute new policies in an attempt to defund PP because of political and religious bias...driven by constant attack or threat from pro-life groups = a-ok

PP complains about the obvious bias and there is a groundswell of support from any number of people about the obvious bias, while PP receives hundreds of thousands of donations in a public show of support = corrupt and overt force to get what they want

It is quote hilarious that liberals acted just like the group they decried. The Komen foundation has policies to not get involved with politics or organizations under criminal investigation. Planned parenthood is very political and a few state AGs are investigating, so Komen stops funding. The left cries foul and says Komen is against breast cancer thus decreasing funding. In reality the left decreased breast cancer screening by attacking Komen. Their money would have simply gone to a different organization. But no, the left has to act like children and attack when thier little baby isn't funded by the world. The left were actually the ones who are risking the decrease in cancer screening by withdrawing donations from Komen.