would be good for tv ratings when they play the giants twice a season. the jets would be good for both brothers playing in NY/same stadium. he said dolphins to be close to his condo so i guess everyone loses

Isn't the guy one hit away from sucking his food through a straw for the rest of his life?

Who's going to block and who's going to catch?

Santana Moss MIGHT still be good enough to be a No 2/slot receiver. Fred Davis has shown flashes that he can be a top-tier TE, if he can stay off the drugs. Can Cooley even last a season anymore, and still be effective if he did? Some of the WRs they've drafted recently don't like much, but maybe Peyton can make them look good.

/doesn't even want to begin to dissect the OL.
//still supports anything that would get Snyder out of town though

thirdrail: Isn't the guy one hit away from sucking his food through a straw for the rest of his life?

No more than anyone else. His arm is a bit of a noodle because he hasn't been working it out, but other than that he's healthy.

Side Note: That looks like a woman who's closed down a few bars in her time.

You only mortgage your future for Peyton if you feel like you're a QB away from making the Super Bowl. Redskins were OK and definitely would have been better with a real QB, maybe even playoff good (especially considering what the NFC East was this year), but it's not like they're just on the cusp or anything.

San Fran is a team that's "on the cusp".

I just can't imagine that Peyton is stupid enough to go to either Washington or the Jets. Why would he waste his talent and reputation on either of those freakshows?

Can Dan Snyder be included in a trade?

If it were possible, y'all could trade Dan Snyder for a mangy dog and come out ahead, much less Peyton Manning.

I still hold out hope for Miami. Albeit a slim hope.

jayhawk88: [www.washingtonpost.com image 606x404]

Side Note: That looks like a woman who's closed down a few bars in her time.

You only mortgage your future for Peyton if you feel like you're a QB away from making the Super Bowl. Redskins were OK and definitely would have been better with a real QB, maybe even playoff good (especially considering what the NFC East was this year), but it's not like they're just on the cusp or anything.

San Fran is a team that's "on the cusp".

One can't help but think Peyton wouldn't have stunk up the place like Smith did on his last plays of the NFC championship game.

Washington needs an offensive line before they consider destroying another quarterback's career.

Keep Grossman. He's hilarious to watch and if he gets killed... eh.

The Redskins are 30 million under the cap and have Rex Grossman and John Beck as their quarterbacks. Draft RG3 and have Peyton mentor him. Who cares if you can't immediately challenge the division? You'd be setting yourself up for the long haul. Draft some depth for the OL and pick up one of the hojillion free agent wide receivers hitting the market.

jayhawk88: San Fran is a team that's "on the cusp".

San Fran needs a long term QB answer, not a short term. They'll lose too much for too little gain, otherwise.

The Skins just aren't good enough, they may have been when Portis was prime, but not now.

I think the best spots for Manning to win now are the Titans and Cardinals. The Titans have a better well rounded team and are short a stud QB and the Cardinals still have ridiculous pass offense potential. Both also have age and contract length against their team and are closer to win now instead of win for the next 5+ years. No other teams come close that are in need of a short term QB solution

Well, considering the fact that Peyton will be a free agent, then no, Snyder cannot be part of the trade. Skins should trade with St Lou to get RGIII

bhcompy: San Fran needs a long term QB answer, not a short term. They'll lose too much for too little gain, otherwise.

San Fran has probably the best overall defense in the league, best special teams, one of the better offensive lines, and a RB in Gore who is a bit of a gamble injury wise but still in his prime. They're a #1 WR and a QB away from maybe being the odds on favorite next year. If you're that close, I think taking some short term risks is justified.

Stu_Padaso: Well, considering the fact that Peyton will be a free agent, then no, Snyder cannot be part of the trade. Skins should trade with St Lou to get RGIII

THIS.

If the Skins have to have a QB, they should frigging draft one.


Works for me, though I'd rather they spent picks on improving the O-Line from 'dumpster fire' to 'turnstile'

Marcus Aurelius: Maybe they can get Albert Haynesworth back while they're at it.

I hear McNabb's available. And Deon might need some more cash.

Snyder's greatest misses. And I still think he's biggest cock up as Skins owner was firing Marty.

The 'Skins should pick up Manning?

Really?

So they can destroy him like they did McNabb?

What does the WaPo have against Manning?

'Course, it *WOULD* be definitely worth it if they could get rid of that @#$%^&* Danny Boy at the same time. (How's the lawsuit against the City Paper goin', Danny?)

bad idea Redskins...even if he plays next year, there's no telling how he'll perform. You don't want to pay top dollar to a guy, that even at 100%, 'maybe' has 2-3 years left. You don't have enough talent everywhere else to make a run at a title just by adding a good QB. Get someone young...a Matt Flynn or another young you can build around.

/still think Peyton is going to end up in Arizona.

Success will result from changes in the front office. Instead of Snyder paying ridiculous amounts of money to over-the-hill players, he should do what it takes to get a strong GM managing the team.

Like Matt Millen.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

ihatedumbpeople: bad idea Redskins...

That's my team!

Will they throw in some of the bankrupt airline's peanuts in the deal?

You know what, Snyder? Do whatever you want. It'll give the rest of the board of directors more ammunition to form a no confidence vote against you. It's not like you give a fark anymore. It's like you've been doing a half-ass Madden dynasty simulation for the past decade.

Magorn: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: The 'Skins should pick up Manning?

Really?

So they can destroy him like they did McNabb?

What does the WaPo have against Manning?

'Course, it *WOULD* be definitely worth it if they could get rid of that @#$%^&* Danny Boy at the same time. (How's the lawsuit against the City Paper goin', Danny?)

I would trade Dan Snyder for Jarmarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf evenif they both had 3 year no-cut must-play contracts....it would ultimately be worth it.


/Still think the league needs a rule that any team that goes ten years w/o a playoff victory gets bought out from its current owners and put up for auction

The Redskins have won a play off game in the last ten years though, January 7,2006 they beat the Bucs in the Wild Card round, so that rule wouldn't rid us of Snyder for 4 more years.

facisto: Draft RG3 and have Peyton mentor him.

Peyton has never mentored anyone. Lots of people assume he would be good at this, or willing to do this.

I hate Snyder as much as anyone and he richly deserves all the criticism, however for the past two years he's been pretty much out of sight, letting the Allen-Shanahan team do the personell management. The thing I don't like about this is that Allen is ostensibly the GM -- Shanahan has the last word or personnel and Allen is the salary cap guru. Shanahan's ego will probably get in the way of ceding any control to an independent GM, so the Redskins will probably be in the QB carousel for a while.

The only good part about the crappy 2011 season is that the O-line backups got playing time and were starting to play halfway decent. Probably not at a starting level, but competent backups. Still need to upgrade the starting O-line, and wide receivers, and DBs, and LBs, and D-line, and QB.......

ihatedumbpeople: ...a Matt Flynn or another young you can build around.

Flynn has gotten to the point of being ridiculously overhyped, though. He's pretty much this year's Kevin Kolb or Matt Cassel, possibly with less arm strength than either of them, and is probably going to cost some team an equivalent price. Most likely, that team will turn out to have wildly overpaid.

So, now that I think about it, maybe the Redskins do make sense for him.

Super Chronic: Flynn has gotten to the point of being ridiculously overhyped, though. He's pretty much this year's Kevin Kolb or Matt Cassel, possibly with less arm strength than either of them, and is probably going to cost some team an equivalent price. Most likely, that team will turn out to have wildly overpaid.

So, now that I think about it, maybe the Redskins do make sense for him.

That might be a bit harsh but he does have 3500 yards, 18 TD's and 15 INT's written all over him. Even if he does won the single game records for yardage and TD's. Although you could argue he'll be earning most the money JaOfftheMarcus was just handed to be fat.

Despite their failures at football proper, the Washington Redskins are the 4th most valuable sports franchise in the world, behind only Manchester United, the Dallas Cowboys, and the New York Yankees. They do this by blowing their entire budget on big-name players who will sell tickets and merchandise regardless of whether the team does well or not. Winning football games is not part of their business plan. Through that lens, Peyton Manning is a perfect fit.

Ken VeryBigLiar: Super Chronic: Flynn has gotten to the point of being ridiculously overhyped, though. He's pretty much this year's Kevin Kolb or Matt Cassel, possibly with less arm strength than either of them, and is probably going to cost some team an equivalent price. Most likely, that team will turn out to have wildly overpaid.

So, now that I think about it, maybe the Redskins do make sense for him.

That might be a bit harsh but he does have 3500 yards, 18 TD's and 15 INT's written all over him. Even if he does won the single game records for yardage and TD's. Although you could argue he'll be earning most the money JaOfftheMarcus was just handed to be fat.

I didn't mean to be harsh; I think Kolb and Cassel are decent quarterbacks when healthy, somewhere in the third quartile of NFL starters when healthy, middle of the pack if things go well. You can do worse than them as your starter; it's just that I wouldn't mortgage the farm to acquire any of them. Someone did mortgage the farm for both Cassel and Kolb, and someone likely will for Flynn. Among ex-backups looking to become starters with new teams, Flynn looks more like a Cassel than, say, a Schaub or a Hasselbeck in terms of breakout potential.

/and what's the deal with former backups named Matt who move on to become starters elsewhere?

Super Chronic: /and what's the deal with former backups named Matt who move on to become starters elsewhere?

Matt Leinart would like to know why he got stuck behind Matt Schaub

joseelsegundo: I hate Snyder as much as anyone and he richly deserves all the criticism, however for the past two years he's been pretty much out of sight, letting the Allen-Shanahan team do the personell management. The thing I don't like about this is that Allen is ostensibly the GM -- Shanahan has the last word or personnel and Allen is the salary cap guru. Shanahan's ego will probably get in the way of ceding any control to an independent GM, so the Redskins will probably be in the QB carousel for a while.

The only good part about the crappy 2011 season is that the O-line backups got playing time and were starting to play halfway decent. Probably not at a starting level, but competent backups. Still need to upgrade the starting O-line, and wide receivers, and DBs, and LBs, and D-line, and QB.......

The starting O-line was decent this year, and the backups were vastly improved. I think another year with just some young talent from mid-late draft rounds should be alright, but I wouldn't be mad if they also picked up a solid veteran.

Wide receivers need help. I really hope Hankerson can be our Super-Physical/Athletic big target, and then Moss/Gaffney as a speedster, but we really don't have a solid 3rd option. Luckily Fred Davis has shown sparks of receiving ability, so that helps some I guess.

DBs are one of our biggest holes, and I don't think we will re-sign Landry. And I am fine with that. As amazing as his physical ability is, he can't play a full season and doesn't seem to listen to trainer recommendations for treatment. Hopefully Atogwe has a better season with a full offseason and recovery.

Our LBs are awesome. Orakpo, Kerrigan on the outside will be great for years. Fletcher is older, but still not slowing at all, and Riley showed signs this year that he can play with the big boys. Still a good idea to shore it up with more young talent, but it is the least of my worries.

D-line was also very god this year. With another year in the system I think Bowen and Cofield will shine. Heild was a pleasant surprise for a late round draft, and we get our #2 pick for a full off season and Jenkins looked really good before he went down in preseason last year.

QB we had Rex Grossman as the lesser of 3 evils. That is all.

disclaimer: FF related:

While I am familiar with the woes of the Redskins in these recent times, I took a gamble and kept Roy Helu for next year. He only cost a very late rounder, and there is a chance he could be a good FF player (PPR league). I know the team is downright retarded at managing the RB position, but I took the risk (over keeping Michael Bush...who knows what his story will be next year). I am cautiously optimistic that he could have a breakout year, but I could also be dead farking wrong. Nothing to do with Manning, just wanted Redskins fans' opinion of Helu. I went with youth on this one....we'll see I guess.

/2012 keepers were due at Superbowl.

El Brujo: disclaimer: FF related:

While I am familiar with the woes of the Redskins in these recent times, I took a gamble and kept Roy Helu for next year. He only cost a very late rounder, and there is a chance he could be a good FF player (PPR league). I know the team is downright retarded at managing the RB position, but I took the risk (over keeping Michael Bush...who knows what his story will be next year). I am cautiously optimistic that he could have a breakout year, but I could also be dead farking wrong. Nothing to do with Manning, just wanted Redskins fans' opinion of Helu. I went with youth on this one....we'll see I guess.

/2012 keepers were due at Superbowl.

So you're not familiar with the Mike Shanahan School of Running Back Theory?

Ken VeryBigLiar: El Brujo: disclaimer: FF related:

While I am familiar with the woes of the Redskins in these recent times, I took a gamble and kept Roy Helu for next year. He only cost a very late rounder, and there is a chance he could be a good FF player (PPR league). I know the team is downright retarded at managing the RB position, but I took the risk (over keeping Michael Bush...who knows what his story will be next year). I am cautiously optimistic that he could have a breakout year, but I could also be dead farking wrong. Nothing to do with Manning, just wanted Redskins fans' opinion of Helu. I went with youth on this one....we'll see I guess.

/2012 keepers were due at Superbowl.

So you're not familiar with the Mike Shanahan School of Running Back Theory?

I am...

/crossing fingers

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: joseelsegundo: I hate Snyder as much as anyone and he richly deserves all the criticism, however for the past two years he's been pretty much out of sight, letting the Allen-Shanahan team do the personell management. The thing I don't like about this is that Allen is ostensibly the GM -- Shanahan has the last word or personnel and Allen is the salary cap guru. Shanahan's ego will probably get in the way of ceding any control to an independent GM, so the Redskins will probably be in the QB carousel for a while.

The only good part about the crappy 2011 season is that the O-line backups got playing time and were starting to play halfway decent. Probably not at a starting level, but competent backups. Still need to upgrade the starting O-line, and wide receivers, and DBs, and LBs, and D-line, and QB.......

The starting O-line was decent this year, and the backups were vastly improved. I think another year with just some young talent from mid-late draft rounds should be alright, but I wouldn't be mad if they also picked up a solid veteran.

Wide receivers need help. I really hope Hankerson can be our Super-Physical/Athletic big target, and then Moss/Gaffney as a speedster, but we really don't have a solid 3rd option. Luckily Fred Davis has shown sparks of receiving ability, so that helps some I guess.

DBs are one of our biggest holes, and I don't think we will re-sign Landry. And I am fine with that. As amazing as his physical ability is, he can't play a full season and doesn't seem to listen to trainer recommendations for treatment. Hopefully Atogwe has a better season with a full offseason and recovery.

Our LBs are awesome. Orakpo, Kerrigan on the outside will be great for years. Fletcher is older, but still not slowing at all, and Riley showed signs this year that he can play with the big boys. Still a good idea to shore it up with more young talent, but it is the least of my worries.

D-line was also very god this year. With another year in the system I ...

As a Packers fan might i suggest WR James Jones from our team for a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Please? How about a 4th rounder? Here are his stats


REC YDS TD
Regular Season 38 635 7
Career 187 2704 20


Salary: Just signed in 2011

Receiver James Jones' new three-year contract with the Packers is worth $9.4 million and includes $3.75 million in first-year pay, according to a source with access to NFL players contracts.

bhcompy: Super Chronic: /and what's the deal with former backups named Matt who move on to become starters elsewhere?

Matt Leinart would like to know why he got stuck behind Matt Schaub

He had a Mattitude problem.

born_yesterday: Success will result from changes in the front office. Instead of Snyder paying ridiculous amounts of money to over-the-hill players, he should do what it takes to get a strong GM managing the team.

Like Matt Millen.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

Matt Millen's strategy for rebuilding a team: An entire team made up of WRs. Players, coaches, medical staff, everyone is a WR.

SamFlagg: When did they put a dome on FedEx field?

They don't have a dome, but they have "the practice bubble" that Dan Snyder has been bragging about for the past few years. Most people outside of DC or Baltimore wouldn't have heard of it.

It would be damn weird to see Manning in Washington and Grossman backing him up.