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2012-02-09 08:18:16 AM
You can add Chicago to that list.
 
2012-02-09 08:36:07 AM
Well ah say, this rahtchere's an outara, an outrage, ah say!
 
2012-02-09 08:40:25 AM
Why was she arguing her proficiency in English during an interview conducted in Spanish?
That's comedy right there.
She can always get a job at DMV.
 
2012-02-09 09:04:16 AM
I don't understand the problem people have with her running. If she gets elected then obviously her constituents think she speaks the correct language.
 
2012-02-09 09:05:44 AM
inb4 people claiming that the court is racist
 
2012-02-09 09:07:48 AM
"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"
 
2012-02-09 09:44:06 AM

7of7: I don't understand the problem people have with her running. If she gets elected then obviously her constituents think she speaks the correct language.


How is she going to do an adequate job of representing them in the city council, which conducts ts business in English? How is she going to work with the state government, if she can't speak the language?
 
2012-02-09 10:04:46 AM
She needs to fight this. The law is too vague and they either need to draw a firm line in the sand, or back off and let the voters decide.

Holy crap I hate racism and bigotry of all kinds. Ugh.
 
2012-02-09 10:07:27 AM

SecretAgentWoman: She needs to fight this. The law is too vague and they either need to draw a firm line in the sand, or back off and let the voters decide.

Holy crap I hate racism and bigotry of all kinds. Ugh.


Took someone long enough to invoke racism.

You do realize that the complainant was a 100% pure grade hispanic, right?
 
2012-02-09 10:17:39 AM

7of7: I don't understand the problem people have with her running. If she gets elected then obviously her constituents think she speaks the correct language.


This, thank you.
 
2012-02-09 10:18:42 AM

SecretAgentWoman: Holy crap I hate racism and bigotry of all kinds


Awesome. I'll be your doctor from now on.

Now, I have no license to practice medicine anywhere in the world, but that's okay because if you don't accept my unqualified treatment you're a bigot. Now hurry up and get on the table. You've got divers maladees and we have to let a pint of two of blood out to save you. Don't worry, the knife is hygienic. I always wash my hands when I'm done touching it.
 
2012-02-09 10:28:51 AM
Look, you don't have to be an English scholar to represent your community, but unless her entire district is 100% Spanish speaking, it doesn't make sense for her to hold office if she's unable to communicate in English. The city council conducts its business in English.

In court they tried to let her explain that she knew English well enough to do the job, except she couldn't understand any question except "Where were you born?" in English. That's not a minor handicap.

And it's not racism, despite what the idiots want you to believe. If I move to Germany and can't get a job because I don't speak German, I'm not suffering from oppression because I'm white. I'm suffering oppression because I didn't bother learning the language.
 
2012-02-09 10:31:12 AM

give me doughnuts: 7of7: I don't understand the problem people have with her running. If she gets elected then obviously her constituents think she speaks the correct language.

How is she going to do an adequate job of representing them in the city council, which conducts ts business in English? How is she going to work with the state government, if she can't speak the language?


If only we had some sort of system that would let the constituents decide that for themselves?

Would we prohibit a blind or deaf person from running on the same basis?
 
2012-02-09 10:32:54 AM
Would this preclude a deaf person from holding the office if they required an interpreter to communicate?
 
2012-02-09 10:34:55 AM

DamnYankees: 7of7: I don't understand the problem people have with her running. If she gets elected then obviously her constituents think she speaks the correct language.

This, thank you.


People don't have a problem with her running. One person had a problem with her running. Specifically, the mayor of the city she's running for city council for, who, incidentally, is also Hispanic, filed a suit to remove her from the ballot because the two of them have had a long-running political feud.

/Yeah, I know, it's not in this news story. I read it in another story about this two weeks ago, but can't be arsed to find it.
 
2012-02-09 11:11:38 AM

Lsherm: Look, you don't have to be an English scholar to represent your community, but unless her entire district is 100% Spanish speaking, it doesn't make sense for her to hold office if she's unable to communicate in English.


Just to play devil's advocate -- if half of the district speaks English and the other half speaks Spanish, then shouldn't the representative be bilingual? (notwithstanding the fact that city council meetings are held in English)
 
2012-02-09 11:47:35 AM

Sybarite: Would this preclude a deaf person from holding the office if they required an interpreter to communicate?


Not knowing the language your state, county and city governments use to conduct business is not mentioned in the Americans w/ Disabilities Act.
 
2012-02-09 11:56:18 AM
LOL....WUT?
 
2012-02-09 11:56:20 AM
I don't understand why this is a problem. Isn't English your official language?
 
2012-02-09 11:58:23 AM
The solution would be that everybody start conducting official city business in Klingon. That way the only demographic that would have an advantage would be the single FARKERs that still live in their mom's basement.
 
2012-02-09 11:58:49 AM

cman: SecretAgentWoman: She needs to fight this. The law is too vague and they either need to draw a firm line in the sand, or back off and let the voters decide.

Holy crap I hate racism and bigotry of all kinds. Ugh.

Took someone long enough to invoke racism.

You do realize that the complainant was a 100% pure grade hispanic, right?


Hi. You do realize that many Hispanics, especially the wealthier ones, or the toadies of wealthy ones, see themselves as better than those with higher degrees of non-European ancestry, and that their institutional disenfranchisement of their brethren with thicker accents, darker skin, or mestizo features is racist?
 
2012-02-09 11:59:56 AM

doglover: SecretAgentWoman: Holy crap I hate racism and bigotry of all kinds

Awesome. I'll be your doctor from now on.

Now, I have no license to practice medicine anywhere in the world, but that's okay because if you don't accept my unqualified treatment you're a bigot. Now hurry up and get on the table. You've got divers maladees and we have to let a pint of two of blood out to save you. Don't worry, the knife is hygienic. I always wash my hands when I'm done touching it.


I read that in Dr. Zoidberg's voice.
 
2012-02-09 12:00:59 PM

Sybarite: Would this preclude a deaf person from holding the office if they required an interpreter to communicate?


Is the deaf person in question kinda brown colored?
 
2012-02-09 12:01:08 PM

give me doughnuts: 7of7: I don't understand the problem people have with her running. If she gets elected then obviously her constituents think she speaks the correct language.

How is she going to do an adequate job of representing them in the city council, which conducts ts business in English? How is she going to work with the state government, if she can't speak the language?


Moreover, it opens the door for abuse. The City Manager of Bell, California, Robert Rizzo, took advantage of the fact that the mayor had a poor command of English. He browbeat and bamboozled the guy into signing anything put in front of him. That's how Rizzo ended up with a $1.5 million a year compensation package.
 
2012-02-09 12:01:22 PM

violentsalvation: Sybarite: Would this preclude a deaf person from holding the office if they required an interpreter to communicate?

Not knowing the language your state, county and city governments use to conduct business is not mentioned in the Americans w/ Disabilities Act.


Logically, what's the difference, though? Communicating through an interpreter to conduct public business is the same whether the interpreter is translating ASL-English or Spanish-English.
 
2012-02-09 12:01:29 PM

Sybarite: Would this preclude a deaf person from holding the office if they required an interpreter to communicate?


With the law as written, yes.
 
2012-02-09 12:02:43 PM
Can we just change our national language to Spanish? Wouldn't it just be easier at this point?
 
2012-02-09 12:03:20 PM

Lsherm: And it's not racism, despite what the idiots want you to believe. If I move to Germany and can't get a job because I don't speak German, I'm not suffering from oppression because I'm white. I'm suffering oppression because I didn't bother learning the language.


Difference is, German is the OFFICIAL language of Germany, while the US has no official language. But I'm sure you already knew that, troll.
 
2012-02-09 12:03:48 PM

jjorsett: Moreover, it opens the door for abuse. The City Manager of Bell, California, Robert Rizzo, took advantage of the fact that the mayor had a poor command of English. He browbeat and bamboozled the guy into signing anything put in front of him. That's how Rizzo ended up with a $1.5 million a year compensation package.


Stupid people can be browbeat and bamboozled into abuse, too.

Should we have some sort of intelligence standard for who can hold public office?
 
2012-02-09 12:03:53 PM
She's the inverse Peggy Hill.
 
2012-02-09 12:04:05 PM
She's an American citizen, put her name on the ballot.

What if she were deaf? Mute? Blind? All of these are impediments to being on the council that would probably require council expense to ameliorate.

If she can get the votes, put her in office.
 
2012-02-09 12:04:23 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: give me doughnuts: 7of7: I don't understand the problem people have with her running. If she gets elected then obviously her constituents think she speaks the correct language.

How is she going to do an adequate job of representing them in the city council, which conducts ts business in English? How is she going to work with the state government, if she can't speak the language?

If only we had some sort of system that would let the constituents decide that for themselves?

Would we prohibit a blind or deaf person from running on the same basis?


So you think not speaking English well enough to conduct the day-to-day business of the position she was seeking is a matter for the ADA?
 
2012-02-09 12:04:33 PM
I disagree with this ruling... if she can have a staff person help her when she struggles with English, then she can represent her district. (I would be curious to see what the law on the books actually says and how it was interpreted).

However... maybe we can use this as a precedent to remove Congressmen that are not proficient in science or the intertubes from the respective committees that deal with those subjects.
 
2012-02-09 12:04:40 PM
The way that W went "nucular" on the English language, that should have been an impeaching.

/Even if the OED had to had "nucular"
 
2012-02-09 12:06:28 PM
Off of.

Orly?
 
2012-02-09 12:06:35 PM

Haplo127x: I don't understand why this is a problem. Isn't English your official language?


It's being phased out in favor of LOLcat and Meme-speak.
 
2012-02-09 12:06:57 PM
How about we let the constituents decide? Oh, this is Arizona. Never mind.

Yur in Amerrika! Speek English!

/yes, I realize it was a Hispanic person who filed the suit
//probably doesn't like her politics
 
2012-02-09 12:07:24 PM

7of7: I don't understand the problem people have with her running. If she gets elected then obviously her constituents think she speaks the correct language.


Bears repeating.

Unless the law requires elected officials to speak english specifically it's a non-issue. Let the voters elect who they want to elect, if it turns out to be a poor decision as a result of language barrier problems then that's a reason to not elect that person again.
 
2012-02-09 12:07:46 PM

Lane83: cman: SecretAgentWoman: She needs to fight this. The law is too vague and they either need to draw a firm line in the sand, or back off and let the voters decide.

Holy crap I hate racism and bigotry of all kinds. Ugh.

Took someone long enough to invoke racism.

You do realize that the complainant was a 100% pure grade hispanic, right?

Hi. You do realize that many Hispanics, especially the wealthier ones, or the toadies of wealthy ones, see themselves as better than those with higher degrees of non-European ancestry, and that their institutional disenfranchisement of their brethren with thicker accents, darker skin, or mestizo features is racist?


Hi. You do realize that someone who is representing the needs of a community must to be able to effectively communicate with the groups expected to respond to those needs, and not everything is about prejudice?

Not saying the motion to have her removed from the ballot is right or wrong, just that it's not necessarily bigoted.
 
2012-02-09 12:08:55 PM
This is just people not wanting to admit that the majority of that constituency is not fluent in English.
 
2012-02-09 12:09:17 PM

RexTalionis: DamnYankees: 7of7: I don't understand the problem people have with her running. If she gets elected then obviously her constituents think she speaks the correct language.

This, thank you.

People don't have a problem with her running. One person had a problem with her running. Specifically, the mayor of the city she's running for city council for, who, incidentally, is also Hispanic, filed a suit to remove her from the ballot because the two of them have had a long-running political feud.

/Yeah, I know, it's not in this news story. I read it in another story about this two weeks ago, but can't be arsed to find it.


Be that as it may, if all it takes to convince a judge that you shouldn't be allowed to run is for somebody to ask you what school you graduated from, you reeeeeally shouldn't be running in the first place.
 
2012-02-09 12:09:18 PM

Haplo127x: I don't understand why this is a problem. Isn't English your official language?


Nope, the US of A does not have an official language

/Not USian
 
2012-02-09 12:09:35 PM
Thank goodness the voters will not be allowed to decide this issue for themselves.
 
2012-02-09 12:10:18 PM

turbidum: She's the inverse Peggy Hill.


So there will be foot fetish videos?
 
2012-02-09 12:10:18 PM

The Homer Tax: jjorsett: Moreover, it opens the door for abuse. The City Manager of Bell, California, Robert Rizzo, took advantage of the fact that the mayor had a poor command of English. He browbeat and bamboozled the guy into signing anything put in front of him. That's how Rizzo ended up with a $1.5 million a year compensation package.

Stupid people can be browbeat and bamboozled into abuse, too.


They certainly can. Why make it even easier by permitting language impairment too?

Should we have some sort of intelligence standard for who can hold public office?

Actually we do have such a standard, although it's not limited to intelligence. It's called "ability to carry out the duties of the office". If you're ruled incapable of doing so by a court, you're out. That's what happened here.
 
2012-02-09 12:10:27 PM

metaskie: Lsherm: And it's not racism, despite what the idiots want you to believe. If I move to Germany and can't get a job because I don't speak German, I'm not suffering from oppression because I'm white. I'm suffering oppression because I didn't bother learning the language.

Difference is, German is the OFFICIAL language of Germany, while the US has no official language. But I'm sure you already knew that, troll.


And in Arizona, the official language is English.
 
2012-02-09 12:10:28 PM
It's not just the entire South we are talking about. It's the entirety of South!
 
2012-02-09 12:11:33 PM

NkThrasher: 7of7: I don't understand the problem people have with her running. If she gets elected then obviously her constituents think she speaks the correct language.

Bears repeating.

Unless the law requires elected officials to speak english specifically it's a non-issue. Let the voters elect who they want to elect, if it turns out to be a poor decision as a result of language barrier problems then that's a reason to not elect that person again.


AZ's official language is English. They do have a law that says that you have to have a certain proficiency in English. This covers reading, writing, and speaking the language. From what I have gathered the three other times this story has been on Fark, she can't even answer the most basic questions posed to her in English. I believe her response to the question "Where did you go to high school?" was "1987."
 
2012-02-09 12:11:33 PM

Teen Wolf Blitzer: Can we just change our national language to Spanish? Wouldn't it just be easier at this point?


Just wait a few more years and the USSC will do it for us.
 
2012-02-09 12:12:02 PM
Remind me again how the United Nations and the G8 work? Aren't there a bunch of delegates that get together with ear pieces that have translators on the other side? How hard could that be for Americans to implement?
 
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