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Raptop		2012-02-08 07:00:09 PM

Curry and beer: FloydA: Don't be silly. A fish couldn't pull a bear through the water like that.

Wait a minute -- supposing two fish pulled it together?

No, they'd have to have it on a line

CravenMorehead		2012-02-08 07:12:20 PM

Call me crazy but i looks like a bear carrying a fish.

brantgoose		2012-02-08 07:14:06 PM

Yeah, I'd say that was a Siberian Grizzly carrying a dead salmon by the tail.

The way the "trunk" flops is very like a salmon, the colour is different, and I think I can actually see the bear's ears vaguely. Also, judging from the scale of trees behind the animal, it's not big enough for a full-sized mammoth and I see no reason why a dwarf mammoth would survive on the mainland if they couldn't survive on islands. Also, didn't mammoths have a high forehead with a distinct top-knot of fur on their domed heads? This head is bear-shaped, especially if you look for the snout.

The fur is just right for a grizzley. Mammoth fur tends to be darker or redder from samples that I have seen.

Also, as noted, it's really strange how cryptozoologists never shoot anything for more than a few seconds, and have never ever managed to focus a good-quality camera or film camera on a cryptid.

Speaking of shooting, I am sure hunters would shoot anything that is supposedly as common as bigfoot and its brethren on other continents. How would a hunter miss an elephant-sized animal? They'd leave damaged trees, manure and footprints across large areas of land. Mammoths would also leave fur on bushes and tusk sharpening marks if they behave remotely like elephants.

The thing about mammoths is that the word comes from a Siberian language and is applied to a mythical creature that lives underground. The Siberian hunter-gatherers found their bones, maybe even carcasses, but they never saw one alive or they would not have believed that they live underground.

It is likely that the dwarf species of mammoth that survived on a few islands into near-historical times, 4000 years ago more or less, were the last survivors, because climate change and hunting must have done for mammoths on the continents of Asia and North America well before those died off. Mammoth wool would be a valuable source of wool to make winter clothing for native Siberians or North Americans. Too valuable to ignore. And any hunter could line his pockets with the stuff if he found any.

Jynxed		2012-02-08 07:17:31 PM

Subby sucking dicks like a pro. My headline was better with a Snuffy reference and earlier if the timestamps are to be believed.

/welcomed to fark daily
//at least I get my slashies

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy		2012-02-08 07:18:11 PM

Is bear with fish, Tovarisch.

SirAdrianDangerous		2012-02-08 07:22:56 PM

Gravitholus: [i162.photobucket.com image 170x246]

So that's where Snuffy went for his vacation.

Came for the Snuffy...Leaving happy

Prof Honeybone		2012-02-08 07:37:00 PM

CravenMorehead: Call me crazy but i looks like a bear carrying a fish.

Let us judge. Post a pic and we will let you know if you look like a bear with a fish,

starlost		2012-02-08 07:37:23 PM

a bear's paws and incredibly sharp claws would have a much easier time walking across that stone and rock river bed then a elephant and its flat foot. i'd almost like to wager a elephant would do ok on a muddy river bottom because of its large surface area and the bear would be farked and the fur on the bottom of his paws and the claws would be a handicap.

czetie		2012-02-08 07:46:12 PM

The first thing that struck me was that the alleged trunk looks odd: different color, oddly out of focus. My first reaction was that it was incompetently 'shopped in. But now that somebody said "bear with fish", yeah, that makes sense.

FTFA: Paranormal writer Michael Cohen said: "Rumours of a handful of mammoths still kicking around in the vast wilderness of Siberia have been circulating for decades"

Sure, because a "handful" of mammoths would easily constitute a breeding population that has survived for the last 10,000 years. There only being a handful would also explain the complete absence of mammoth fur, mammoth tusks, mammoth skeletons, and mammoth shiat. *sigh* Cryptozoologists would come off as a whole lot less full-on pants-on-head retarded if they started out by studying some actual zoology.

gglibertine		2012-02-08 07:47:52 PM

Don't be absurd. Bears don't eat fish.

/they eat tube steak
//I am so, so sorry. I don't know what got into me.
///But I'm pretty sure it wasn't a bear.

Tony_Pepperoni		2012-02-08 07:52:23 PM

Chalk me up for... "Pretty much once you realize it's a bear with a fish, you can't see anything else."

FloydA		2012-02-08 07:54:23 PM

CravenMorehead: Call me crazy but i looks like a bear carrying a fish.

Have you tried Nair?

Mayhem of the Black Underclass		2012-02-08 07:54:50 PM

I pretty much thought it was two videos put together. After effects or somesuch. Like that looks completely like an elephant, and that does in fact look like footage of a river. And he doesn't have to get its feet to join with the ground properly because he put them in the water. He's the Rob Liefield of fake videographers.

OgreMagi		2012-02-08 07:59:14 PM

Raptop: Curry and beer: FloydA: Don't be silly. A fish couldn't pull a bear through the water like that.

Wait a minute -- supposing two fish pulled it together?

No, they'd have to have it on a line

Siberian salmon are non-migratory.

whatshisname		2012-02-08 08:01:15 PM

"Mammoth" is brown, "trunk" is silver. You can't explain that.

ParagonComplex		2012-02-08 08:02:04 PM

Jencaasi: All I know is that guy should run really fast the other way.
The giants get PISSED when you mess with their mammoths.

Either that or he should've turned into a werewolf and handed them their collective asses.

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy		2012-02-08 08:12:22 PM

czetie: The first thing that struck me was that the alleged trunk looks odd: different color, oddly out of focus. My first reaction was that it was incompetently 'shopped in. But now that somebody said "bear with fish", yeah, that makes sense.

FTFA: Paranormal writer Michael Cohen said: "Rumours of a handful of mammoths still kicking around in the vast wilderness of Siberia have been circulating for decades"

Sure, because a "handful" of mammoths would easily constitute a breeding population that has survived for the last 10,000 years. There only being a handful would also explain the complete absence of mammoth fur, mammoth tusks, mammoth skeletons, and mammoth shiat. *sigh* Cryptozoologists would come off as a whole lot less full-on pants-on-head retarded if they started out by studying some actual zoology.

If it was anywhere but Siberia, I'd say it was complete bullshiat.

But they had an asteroid land in Siberia that broke windows in Europe, and it took 10 years to get an expedition to the impact zone. That shiat is remote.

neurothing		2012-02-08 08:14:54 PM

Curry and beer: FloydA: Don't be silly. A fish couldn't pull a bear through the water like that.

Wait a minute -- supposing two fish pulled it together?

No, they'd have to have it on a line.

neurothing		2012-02-08 08:17:22 PM

Sorry raptop - you got in first - slow today.

Mentalpatient87		2012-02-08 08:17:50 PM

"Cryptozoologists" need to learn that wax paper makes a bad camera filter...

//and get a real job

hogans		2012-02-08 08:20:28 PM

OgreMagi: Raptop: Curry and beer: FloydA: Don't be silly. A fish couldn't pull a bear through the water like that.

Wait a minute -- supposing two fish pulled it together?

No, they'd have to have it on a line

Siberian salmon are non-migratory.

Perhaps they could grip it by the haunch?

wippit		2012-02-08 08:23:17 PM

unicron702		2012-02-08 08:48:32 PM

Confabulat: Pretty much once you realize it's a bear with a fish, you can't see anything else.

I'm with you, just like everyone else with working eyes.

real_headhoncho		2012-02-08 08:56:32 PM

dittybopper		2012-02-08 10:00:22 PM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: But they had an asteroid land in Siberia that broke windows in Europe, and it took 10 years to get an expedition to the impact zone. That shiat is remote.

Yes, if you ignore the people who lived in the area at the time. Not that there were a great many, but there were and are enough that something like that would be noticed.

threadjackistan		2012-02-08 10:02:02 PM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy:
If it was anywhere but Siberia, I'd say it was complete bullshiat.

But they had an asteroid land in Siberia that broke windows in Europe, and it took 10 years to get an expedition to the impact zone. That shiat is remote.

I think the ten years was more due to that whole World War One, Russian Revolution, Russian Civil War thing keeping people away than just the remoteness. There were quite a few things going on in Russia at the time that would give researchers pause before venturing into the area.

0Icky0		2012-02-08 10:11:33 PM

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh		2012-02-08 10:36:59 PM

Whoever animated the clip needs to study more, get better software and most definitely be less lazy. Looping the unnatural leg motion did nothing for the believability, let alone the lack of interaction with the water or proper scale. Looks worse than the animation in Walking with Dinosaurs and that was, what, a decade ago?

brandent		2012-02-08 10:42:02 PM

0Icky0: [img213.imageshack.us image 532x302]

OK now THAT made me laugh.

czetie		2012-02-08 10:54:50 PM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: But they had an asteroid land in Siberia that broke windows in Europe, and it took 10 years to get an expedition to the impact zone. That shiat is remote.

Granted. That shiat is remote even for large values of "remote". But even given that, you can't have a "handful" of members of a species surviving for thousands of years. You need a bigger breeding population than that.

And don't get me wrong: I don't know whether I'd be more excited if they found surviving mammoths or they cloned extinct mammoths. But I'm not holding my breath for either.

zenobia		2012-02-08 11:05:17 PM

I_C_Weener: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sangi: Didn't mammoths have tusks? I'm seeing a distinct lack of them in the video.

Must be an Alabama mammoth

/the Tuscaloosa
//sorry Groucho

I once filmed a wooly mammoth in my pajamas.

Why would you go all the way to Siberia in your pajamas?

CravenMorehead		2012-02-08 11:17:21 PM

Prof Honeybone: CravenMorehead: Call me crazy but i looks like a bear carrying a fish.

Let us judge. Post a pic and we will let you know if you look like a bear with a fish,

I'm mostly hairless, but I do have a pretty decent sized trout, ifyouknowwhatimean. wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

/t

fury211		2012-02-08 11:35:08 PM

so was it kate walker that found this footage?

Alphakronik		2012-02-08 11:44:58 PM

Based on that pic, I'm not sure the Sun or the guy who recorded the video have a firm grasp on the definition of the word "Mammoth".

brandent		2012-02-08 11:55:24 PM

czetie: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: But they had an asteroid land in Siberia that broke windows in Europe, and it took 10 years to get an expedition to the impact zone. That shiat is remote.

Granted. That shiat is remote even for large values of "remote". But even given that, you can't have a "handful" of members of a species surviving for thousands of years. You need a bigger breeding population than that.

And don't get me wrong: I don't know whether I'd be more excited if they found surviving mammoths or they cloned extinct mammoths. But I'm not holding my breath for either.

Obviously a bear but surely the odds of finding a live mammoth are greater than say bigfoot or Loch Ness Monster. And people have spent tons looking for them. Considering there is proof these things survived into recorded history (3500 years ago) then it would seem we could spend some time in the forests of Siberia looking. Maybe they might find that there were some still alive 2000 years ago. The bone trade that currently flourishes is in the treeless tundra but maybe in the lower latitudes there's more evidence of later survival. In any case they will clone these things in 5 years and that will be awesome.

They should get Jeraldo and send him to Siberia to look for it.

wingnut396		2012-02-08 11:59:52 PM

CravenMorehead:
I'm mostly hairless, but I do have a pretty decent sized trout, ifyouknowwhatimean. wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

/t

Aren't trout naturally hairless? What kind of fish has hair?

/do you every worry about going against the grain and 'scaling' the trout?

malaktaus		2012-02-09 12:02:27 AM

Curry and beer: FloydA: Don't be silly. A fish couldn't pull a bear through the water like that.

Wait a minute -- supposing two fish pulled it together?

African or European fish?

SharkTrager		2012-02-09 12:15:12 AM

I used to be a Siberian surveyor. Then I took a mammoth to the knee.

Mildot		2012-02-09 12:15:55 AM

bigpeeler: [i.imgur.com image 468x620]

Sure am glad the "wolly" part is covered.

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy		2012-02-09 12:33:22 AM

czetie: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: But they had an asteroid land in Siberia that broke windows in Europe, and it took 10 years to get an expedition to the impact zone. That shiat is remote.

Granted. That shiat is remote even for large values of "remote". But even given that, you can't have a "handful" of members of a species surviving for thousands of years. You need a bigger breeding population than that.

And don't get me wrong: I don't know whether I'd be more excited if they found surviving mammoths or they cloned extinct mammoths. But I'm not holding my breath for either.

Yeah definitely not a "handful" per se. But forests that big could have concealed hundreds of animals right up until the modern era. There could still be a dwindling population of a few dozen or more and we might never see them before they succumb to inbreeding, habitat loss, and disease

/Whitetail deer are an invasive species in Europe, numbering in the tens of thousands. All of those deer are descended from just 4 individuals brought over from the US (maybe with some hybridization with native deer, I don't know). Genetic bottlenecks suck, but apparently you can get by on a pretty small breeding populace.

0Icky0		2012-02-09 12:37:12 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Genetic bottlenecks suck, but apparently you can get by on a pretty small breeding populace.

For fast-breeding species. But elephants and mammoths...not even remotely likely.

kayanlau		2012-02-09 01:10:26 AM

\hot
\\also shiats in the woods

Ghastly		2012-02-09 01:27:52 AM

Not a Woolly Mammoth. Possibly a bear with something in its mouth. Maybe just a regular elephant that has been shooped orange.

Woolly Mammoths had a different shaped head from an elephant. The forehead was much higher and not as round as an elephant. Bear optical illusion or shooped elephant this looks much more like a modern elephant than a Woolly Mammoth.

Keizer_Ghidorah		2012-02-09 03:11:00 AM

NowhereMon: Confabulat: Pretty much once you realize it's a bear with a fish, you can't see anything else.

I completely agree

[static.flickr.com image 500x387]

His nipples need sucking.

cuzsis		2012-02-09 04:08:41 AM

If that's a bear, either those trees are small, or it's farking huge.

/does not look like a bear to me, due to size.
//figured it was bad cgi or something.

cuzsis		2012-02-09 04:09:48 AM

I should add, I think it would be really awesome to find a live mammoth.

/just doubt we will.
//but I'm still hopeful.

duckfarkit		2012-02-09 04:36:02 AM

cuzsis: I should add, I think it would be really awesome to find a live mammoth.

/just doubt we will.
//but I'm still hopeful.

All green! Ow!

Jake Leg		2012-02-09 05:25:03 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sangi: Didn't mammoths have tusks? I'm seeing a distinct lack of them in the video.

Must be an Alabama mammoth

/the Tuscaloosa
//sorry Groucho

How much would you charge to jump into an open manhole?

dittybopper		2012-02-09 07:31:52 AM

Jake Leg: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sangi: Didn't mammoths have tusks? I'm seeing a distinct lack of them in the video.

Must be an Alabama mammoth

/the Tuscaloosa
//sorry Groucho

How much would you charge to jump into an open manhole?

Just a cover charge.

dittybopper		2012-02-09 07:34:10 AM

cuzsis: If that's a bear, either those trees are small, or it's farking huge.

Perspective. Those trees are in the background, but because the whole film is blurry, it's not obvious that they are in the distance. Hence, the foreground object (animal in question) appears to be bigger than it actually is.

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