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(Daily Mail)   How many officers does it take to beat the fark out of a man in insulin shock? In Nevada, the answer is 7 or more   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 406
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2012-02-09 08:05:16 AM  
indylaw: And if HGN tests were used merely to establish probable cause, I'd be OK with that. 74% is accurate enough to warrant further investigation

And I can agree with that. That's what the TBI recommends, and that's how the jursdiction I volunteer medical with uses it.

indylaw: But prosecutors want to be able to use HGN observations as scientific opinion testimony at trial in order to secure a conviction for DUI. Maybe the defense has demonstrated that the breathalyzer was not properly tested or calibrated and got the results thrown out. The prosecutor then wants to get a police officer on the stand to say "Oh, trust me, he was wasted, because I saw his eyeballs twitch while he was following a pen in my hand." It's just not reliable enough, and having a police officer give self-serving testimony like that on a topic in which he is marginally trained is prejudicial, at least IMO. That's what I'm getting at.

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Why didn't you just say that at the beginning, indy? It would have been a much shorter conversation, as it would have consisted of "I agree." It would have saved me a lot of PubMed browsing.
 
2012-02-09 08:09:33 AM  

BronyMedic: indylaw: And if HGN tests were used merely to establish probable cause, I'd be OK with that. 74% is accurate enough to warrant further investigation

And I can agree with that. That's what the TBI recommends, and that's how the jursdiction I volunteer medical with uses it.

indylaw: But prosecutors want to be able to use HGN observations as scientific opinion testimony at trial in order to secure a conviction for DUI. Maybe the defense has demonstrated that the breathalyzer was not properly tested or calibrated and got the results thrown out. The prosecutor then wants to get a police officer on the stand to say "Oh, trust me, he was wasted, because I saw his eyeballs twitch while he was following a pen in my hand." It's just not reliable enough, and having a police officer give self-serving testimony like that on a topic in which he is marginally trained is prejudicial, at least IMO. That's what I'm getting at.

phoenixwrightOBJECTION.jpg

Why didn't you just say that at the beginning, indy? It would have been a much shorter conversation, as it would have consisted of "I agree." It would have saved me a lot of PubMed browsing.


You should thank me for keeping your skills sharp. Plus, I'm a lawyer and a bit of a dick. I likes to argue. :-D
 
2012-02-09 10:08:24 AM  

UnspokenVoice: brantgoose: Diabetics often sound and act like they are drunk when they go into insulin shock. It is important that the general public and public officials, including the police, be aware of this and other causes of misunderstanding and uninformed reactions.

This sort of thing happens all the time--people think a diabetic who is having an episode is drunk. It's understandable but preventable.

There's also a tragic amount of ignorance an misinformation about mental illness, epilepsy, autism, disabilities, etc.

Educate yourself on the symptoms and treatment of common afflictions such as stroke, diabetes, epilepsy, shock, etc. It may save a life or a misunderstanding.

Let each of these odd stories be a teaching moment and Fark.com can make the world a better, safer, less funny place.

Screw that. If there is one thing we have a surplus of, it is humans. I think the more tragedy the better, the added bonus is that it truly is quite funny. Trust me on this one, we have plenty of humans. We're adept at making more.


Since you are so fond of this idea, please report immediately to the trauma center to recieve your tragedy...
 
2012-02-09 11:56:46 AM  

Maul555: UnspokenVoice: brantgoose: Diabetics often sound and act like they are drunk when they go into insulin shock. It is important that the general public and public officials, including the police, be aware of this and other causes of misunderstanding and uninformed reactions.

This sort of thing happens all the time--people think a diabetic who is having an episode is drunk. It's understandable but preventable.

There's also a tragic amount of ignorance an misinformation about mental illness, epilepsy, autism, disabilities, etc.

Educate yourself on the symptoms and treatment of common afflictions such as stroke, diabetes, epilepsy, shock, etc. It may save a life or a misunderstanding.

Let each of these odd stories be a teaching moment and Fark.com can make the world a better, safer, less funny place.

Screw that. If there is one thing we have a surplus of, it is humans. I think the more tragedy the better, the added bonus is that it truly is quite funny. Trust me on this one, we have plenty of humans. We're adept at making more.

Since you are so fond of this idea, please report immediately to the trauma center to recieve your tragedy...


If I were dumb enough to get a Fark headline (or, in this case, just unlucky) I'm sure you'd enjoy your chuckle. Don't pretend you really care. It doesn't do you or anyone any good to run around telling such lies.
 
2012-02-09 04:51:20 PM  

BronyMedic: The number of fatal work injuries among protective service occupations increased by 6 percent in
2010 after two years of declines. The increase was led by fatalities among police officers which rose
40 percent from 96 to 134 in 2010. Of the 134 fatal work injuries among police officers, 57
involved highway incidents and 48 involved homicides. Most other subgroups in the protective
service occupational group declined in 2010.


Right there in text-57 deaths from highway accidents, 48 from homicides. This is about the same split every year where more cops are killed in car crashes then shootings. Yet, we hear the same larger number (134) in any discussion about danger to police from shootings. Driving around as a cop is more dangerous than interacting with people as a cop.
 
2012-02-09 06:14:15 PM  

Theaetetus: 9beers: The only guy who acted inappropriately is the officer who kicked the guy in the head.

... and the officer who helped cover it up and explained that no one would know who the kicker was, and the supervisor who refused to name the officers involved, and the DA who declined to prosecute the officer or his co-conspirators...


But other than that, what have the Romans ever done for us?
 
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