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(Washington Post)   American public with Bush as president: WE OPPOSE TORTURE. STOP ENDLESS WARS. CLOSE GITMO. American public with Obama as president: Can we get some torture drones with our Gitmo?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 429
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2012-02-08 08:28:44 AM  
HOPE AND CHANGE
 
2012-02-08 08:32:22 AM  
The problem with the idea that he was going to close Gitmo is that it would only have been some symbolic gesture. We still need to determine what exactly the status of the inmates is, that was never made clear through Bush or Obama. Are they lawful or unlawful combatants? Federal prisoners? Prisoners of war? What would you do with them if Gitmo were to be closed?

I do like the part where he killed bin laden though.
 
2012-02-08 08:38:21 AM  
So Republicans should be happy that they convinced everyone that torture, GITMO and drones are good things, and should support President Obama in his continuation of the policies they championed and fought tenaciously for over the course of almost a decade. Right?
 
2012-02-08 08:39:09 AM  
Is this a republican "but but bush"?
 
2012-02-08 08:44:02 AM  
As I recall, Congress has been instrumental in preventing the closure of Gitmo. You know, the guys less popular than bubonic plague?

/whar outrage? whar?
 
2012-02-08 08:48:30 AM  
Everyone knows the reason B. Hussein Fartbongo kept Gitmo open was that he flys down there to converse with the radical Islamic leaders to find new ways to bring America down
 
2012-02-08 08:49:26 AM  

James!: Is this a republican "but but bush"?


No, this is what happens when the secret muslim palling around with terrorist appeaser foreigner kills more terrorists in three years with less deaths than the God fearing cowboy, born again American did in eight. Republicans want to like him for it, but they think if they do they might catch teh gay or something.
 
2012-02-08 08:55:54 AM  
And by the by, Obama opposes torture, the wars are ending and he attempted to close gitmo then congress through an absolute fit. He's two for three.
 
2012-02-08 09:14:15 AM  

nekom: The problem with the idea that he was going to close Gitmo is that it would only have been some symbolic gesture. We still need to determine what exactly the status of the inmates is, that was never made clear through Bush or Obama. Are they lawful or unlawful combatants? Federal prisoners? Prisoners of war? What would you do with them if Gitmo were to be closed?

I do like the part where he killed bin laden though.


They are detainees. That is all you need to know citizen. DETAINEES. Ask too many questions and you might get a closer look at their situation.
 
2012-02-08 09:14:57 AM  

cman: HOPE AND CHANGE


Still better than "NO CHANCE OF ANY CHANGE WHATSOEVER AND WE WILL FIGHT ANY CHANGE TOOTH AND NAIL TO OUR GRAVE"
 
2012-02-08 09:15:55 AM  
I went to the Republican Caucus last night in Colorado.

They had resolutions on the table that talked about Gitmo - specifically that the party would only back candidates who were going to fight tooth and nail to keep it open and full of muslims.

/I didn't know they had a "bring your own bucket of crazy" rule. Fortunately by the time we were knee deep in it we'd broken out into precincts and I was able to keep my head down.
 
2012-02-08 09:18:21 AM  

kronicfeld: So Republicans should be happy that they convinced everyone that torture, GITMO and drones are good things, and should support President Obama in his continuation of the policies they championed and fought tenaciously for over the course of almost a decade. Right?


Quite the broad brush you got there. Those detainees aren't getting any better result under him. You going to ask him to keep trying...or was it enough that he tried to close GITMO once (which only would have moved the detainees, not given them back their due process rights)?

Sadly, Romney is no different that Bush or Obama on this stuff.

But the point stands, why aren't you who supported Obama's oh so righteous stands when he was running biatching now that he no longer is pushing those positions now that he has the power to do something about it?
 
2012-02-08 09:24:41 AM  
Who is saying that? The only people who currently support torture are the ones who have always supported torture.

I remember when Obama tried to get some of the Gitmo detainees tried in a court in NY, and everyone freaked out about how it was "too close to Ground Zero" and how we were going to have terrorists escaping into the city.
 
2012-02-08 09:24:54 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: cman: HOPE AND CHANGE

Still better than "NO CHANCE OF ANY CHANGE WHATSOEVER AND WE WILL FIGHT ANY CHANGE TOOTH AND NAIL TO OUR GRAVE"


Change doesn't appear to mean what it once did.
 
2012-02-08 09:27:41 AM  
Well, I guess since Obama has not done EVERY SINGLE THING to my liking, that means Sarah Palin is now president.

I hate the weak grasp authoritarians have when it comes to the notion of compromise. Obama has still done more good in four years than Bush did in eight. Do I agree with Obama on everything? No. Will I vote for him? Yes.
 
2012-02-08 09:28:28 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Who is saying that? The only people who currently support torture are the ones who have always supported torture.

I remember when Obama tried to get some of the Gitmo detainees tried in a court in NY, and everyone freaked out about how it was "too close to Ground Zero" and how we were going to have terrorists escaping into the city.


New York freaked. I'd still be thrilled if we didn't use GITMO or anywhere else as a oubliet.
 
2012-02-08 09:31:13 AM  
FTA: "A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that Obama, who campaigned on a pledge to close the brig at Guantanamo Bay and to change national security policies he criticized as inconsistent with U.S. law and values, has little to fear politically for failing to live up to all of those promises."


Obama's NDAA signing statement:


"My administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens ... Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a nation,"


Yeah, we believe you, Mr. President.
 
2012-02-08 09:35:19 AM  
It wasn't the public. It was the democrats and their mouthpieces in the media.
 
2012-02-08 09:39:39 AM  
i586.photobucket.com


What a torture drone might look like.
 
2012-02-08 09:39:53 AM  
The President doesn't have the unilateral power to close Guantanamo Bay's detention center. Yes, he campaigned on it, but he didn't have the political capital to prod Congress into acting.

Sending Guantanamo detainees stateside is apparently ultimate NIMBY. It's like 100 nuclear reactors that work off of that really fabulous isotope of uranium running simultaneously, judging from the reactions of some Congressmen I've seen.

So, yeah, I'm going to give him a pass on Guantanamo.
 
2012-02-08 09:41:08 AM  

kronicfeld: So Republicans should be happy that they convinced everyone that torture, GITMO and drones are good things, and should support President Obama in his continuation of the policies they championed and fought tenaciously for over the course of almost a decade. Right?


It's funny. Conservatives seem to hate Obama more for doing the things they support than the things they're against.

It probably makes their cognitive dissonance flare up.
 
2012-02-08 09:49:38 AM  

hillbillypharmacist: It's funny. Conservatives seem to hate Obama more for doing the things they support than the things they're against.


And their main talking point against Obama is that he hasn't completely un-farked all of the things that Bush farked up.
 
2012-02-08 09:56:46 AM  

Mugato: hillbillypharmacist: It's funny. Conservatives seem to hate Obama more for doing the things they support than the things they're against.

And their main talking point against Obama is that he hasn't completely un-farked all of the things that Bush farked up.


My party...right or wrong. You wave that banner high. Loyalty is underrated.
 
2012-02-08 09:59:32 AM  

Mugato: And their main talking point against Obama is that he hasn't completely un-farked all of the things that Bush farked up.


That's true!

etc.usf.edu
"These Bush grapes aren't truly conservative. I never really even wanted them."
 
2012-02-08 10:02:56 AM  
Whar is the outrage?
 
2012-02-08 10:04:53 AM  

hillbillypharmacist: kronicfeld: So Republicans should be happy that they convinced everyone that torture, GITMO and drones are good things, and should support President Obama in his continuation of the policies they championed and fought tenaciously for over the course of almost a decade. Right?

It's funny. Conservatives seem to hate Obama more for doing the things they support than the things they're against.

It probably makes their cognitive dissonance flare up.


It's because he's a Democrat more than anything. They sure despised Clinton for balancing the budget and welfare reform. Yes some of them are ALSO racists, there's bound to be a lot of overlap, but it's mostly partisan hackery.
 
2012-02-08 10:05:49 AM  
I don't believe that headline is accurate.
 
2012-02-08 10:07:23 AM  
No, the article has a point. 'Nation building' was opposed as fascist when Bush did it, and as completely acceptable and stuff when Obama did it in Lybia. Also: Guantanamo could have been closed in the first two years of Obama's reign (when there was a Democratic congress) but wasn't. There *is* an element of 'same as the old boss' in this whole story, and clever oneliners in the reactions here aren't going to change that.
 
2012-02-08 10:08:02 AM  
Speak for yourself.

/I know: novel idea in the USA.
 
2012-02-08 10:08:06 AM  
Let's see... Waterboarding no longer a valid interrogation technique. Most of the troops removed from Iraq. GITMO stays open because of pants-wetting Congressmen.

What am I supposed to be "outraged" about now, Subby?
 
2012-02-08 10:08:41 AM  
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Greetings Foreign Citizen. Human President Obama Has deemed you guilty. Prepare for Judgement.
 
2012-02-08 10:10:43 AM  

nekom: The problem with the idea that he was going to close Gitmo is that it would only have been some symbolic gesture. We still need to determine what exactly the status of the inmates is, that was never made clear through Bush or Obama. Are they lawful or unlawful combatants? Federal prisoners? Prisoners of war? What would you do with them if Gitmo were to be closed?

I do like the part where he killed bin laden though.


you're assuming bin laden actually existed in the first place
 
2012-02-08 10:11:09 AM  
He stopped torture and ended one of the wars, but don't let that stop you from being whiny, lying pieces of shiat.
 
2012-02-08 10:11:29 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: No, the article has a point. 'Nation building' was opposed as fascist when Bush did it, and as completely acceptable and stuff when Obama did it in Libya


Correct, because in Obama's case, the bill was measured in millions rather than trillions.
 
2012-02-08 10:11:32 AM  
People blindly agree with the latest to come out of the party they've already identified with.

And in other news, water is still wet.
 
2012-02-08 10:11:59 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: No, the article has a point. 'Nation building' was opposed as fascist when Bush did it, and as completely acceptable and stuff when Obama did it in Lybia. Also: Guantanamo could have been closed in the first two years of Obama's reign (when there was a Democratic congress) but wasn't. There *is* an element of 'same as the old boss' in this whole story, and clever oneliners in the reactions here aren't going to change that.


I get the feeling that if Obama hadn't done anything in Libya you'd be here giving him shiat for "Standing by and doing nothing while a brutal dictator slaughtered innocent people."
 
2012-02-08 10:12:06 AM  
This is not the change I was hoping for.
 
2012-02-08 10:12:10 AM  

WTF Indeed: but they think if they do they might catch teh gay


More of it?
 
2012-02-08 10:12:19 AM  
I live in a city that was looking at receiving Gitmo transfers to the Naval Brig at NWS Charleston. Our reps threw a fit at the idea of all of these terrorists escaping into the 22nd most dangerous city in the US. Silly me, I thought they were going to the brig to be imprisoned!

Anyhow, while I want to see the GITMO prison closed, I have to blame those that have blocked its closure for it remaining open. Drone strikes are dicey, but they're still directly controlled; I don't have a problem with tomahawks being used and those are effectively fire-and-forget. Drone strikes have the capability of being stopped right until blow-up time.
 
2012-02-08 10:12:53 AM  
Anyone who does that is a tool, a hypocrite, and intellectually dishonest.

www.memecreator.net
 
2012-02-08 10:12:59 AM  

InfrasonicTom: you're assuming bin laden actually existed in the first place


He existed, and still exists. The SEALs only killed the current franchise holder. The original bin Laden is alive and well and living like a king in Pakigonia.
 
2012-02-08 10:13:17 AM  
Obama troll bait looking juicy this morning
 
2012-02-08 10:13:23 AM  
WE OPPOSE TORTURE.

We no longer have an official pro-torture policy.

STOP ENDLESS WARS.

War in Iraq is over, Afghanistan soon enough.

CLOSE GITMO

Talk to Congress.

/wtf is a torture drone?
 
2012-02-08 10:13:24 AM  
Yes, yes that is EXACTLY what America is saying. Dumbass

Meanwhile, this current crop of campaigners is trying to prove that they're most like the guy that sold weapons to our enemies in order to fund death squads ran by a South American dictator.

But yeah, Obama has ruined our country. I swear, every time I get to disliking a Democratic president, the Republicans go full force and make me support him again.

What's up with that?
 
2012-02-08 10:13:28 AM  
Mandated health insurance = Obama - One term and done.
 
2012-02-08 10:14:06 AM  
Ric Romero reporting: Partisan peoples act in partisan mannner. Full report at eleven.
 
2012-02-08 10:14:57 AM  
Yeah, but the main stream media is not biased at all so it has absolutely nothing to do with this.
 
2012-02-08 10:15:49 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: No, the article has a point. 'Nation building' was opposed as fascist when Bush did it, and as completely acceptable and stuff when Obama did it in Lybia.


We weren't/aren't nation building in Libya. In fact, that's what the GOP wanted and criticized Obama for "leading from behind".
 
2012-02-08 10:15:59 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: Coming on a Bicycle: No, the article has a point. 'Nation building' was opposed as fascist when Bush did it, and as completely acceptable and stuff when Obama did it in Libya

Correct, because in Obama's case, the bill was measured in millions rather than trillions.



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"The day ain't over yet".
 
2012-02-08 10:16:21 AM  
Subby needs some re-education. Obamazombies don't think about these things. They just love Obama. You will also come to love Obama. Then you will understand.
 
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