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(Yahoo)   Santorum's stunning 30-point victory over Romney in Missouri is tempered somewhat by the fact that: A) The primary didn't count, and therefore B) only 30,000 people actually showed up to vote   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 82
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2012-02-08 09:02:47 AM
But that temperance is totally offset by his loss in Colorado, where he won with 60% in 2008, and Minnesota, where he won with 41% of the vote in 2008, and where Romney's campaign manager Pawlenty was governor just a short time ago.
 
2012-02-08 09:07:06 AM
So the Teahadist fringe wants Santorum. At no point should this be considered news, yet we are already seeing this considered to be a big swing in momentum.

Keep effin that chicken, Republicans / Media.
 
2012-02-08 09:15:30 AM
That's about as much as Romney's BIG WIN in Nevada.
 
2012-02-08 09:17:16 AM
From what I heard, only about 30 of us showed up at my voting place yesterday.
 
2012-02-08 09:18:43 AM
Somebody in Santorum's camp needs to make him look more presidential, the dude looks like a pushover dweeb. Like how Obama has to come off non threatening because he is black Santorum needs to go in the opposite direction.
 
2012-02-08 09:20:02 AM
Was the electorate over a quarter Mormon this time? No? Aah, that explains it.

/ mormons are required to vote for Romney at every opportunity or he won't name drop them to Jesus.
//personal invitation only way to get to really, real Mormon Heaven.
 
2012-02-08 09:21:18 AM
well i didn't vote because i'm abroad and i figured they don't count them anyways. also i assumed that romney would win.
 
2012-02-08 09:24:26 AM

proteus_b: well i didn't vote because i'm abroad and i figured they don't count them anyways. also i assumed that romney would win.


It's OK, broads can vote now in Missouri.
 
2012-02-08 09:24:58 AM
Lots of denial going on about this - the fact is that Santorum has now won more states than Romney. The Republican base does NOT want Romney as the nominee. This is not going to be a coronation, this is still a fight and Romney now has to spend more money and more time on winning the nomination.
 
2012-02-08 09:25:31 AM
And the Base still doesn't know what they want. They don't want Romney, that's for sure. But that seems like they're going to get since they keep pingponging between Gingrich and Santorum.

The real story lies in the lack of voter interest. The 2011 primaries can only be seen as a horrific failure now. How can you reignite interest in your eventual candidate(s) when everybody is already sick of them?
 
2012-02-08 09:27:25 AM
Whose Primary is it Anyway?
 
2012-02-08 09:29:03 AM

Guntram Shatterhand: And the Base still doesn't know what they want. They don't want Romney, that's for sure. But that seems like they're going to get since they keep pingponging between Gingrich and Santorum.

The real story lies in the lack of voter interest. The 2011 primaries can only be seen as a horrific failure now. How can you reignite interest in your eventual candidate(s) when everybody is already sick of them?


Agreed, but I think the base has seen enough of Gingrich. I think it will be between Romney and Santorum from here on out and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Santorum wins.
 
2012-02-08 09:29:07 AM

Guntram Shatterhand: How can you reignite interest in your eventual candidate(s) when everybody is already sick of them?


Maybe there'll be an investigation that reveals Obama is even blacker than everyone thought he was.
 
2012-02-08 09:29:47 AM

proteus_b: well i didn't vote because i'm a broad and i figured they don't count them anyways. also i assumed that romney would win.


I'm pretty sure that women are allowed to vote and be counted.
 
2012-02-08 09:31:19 AM

Edsel: Agreed, but I think the base has seen enough of Gingrich. I think it will be between Romney and Santorum from here on out and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Santorum wins.


Santorum needs to recruit Gingrich to run as his VP pick. That should make things interesting.

Gingrich might actually be somewhat useful as a VP attack dog.
 
2012-02-08 09:32:09 AM

Edsel: Guntram Shatterhand: And the Base still doesn't know what they want. They don't want Romney, that's for sure. But that seems like they're going to get since they keep pingponging between Gingrich and Santorum.

The real story lies in the lack of voter interest. The 2011 primaries can only be seen as a horrific failure now. How can you reignite interest in your eventual candidate(s) when everybody is already sick of them?

Agreed, but I think the base has seen enough of Gingrich. I think it will be between Romney and Santorum from here on out and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Santorum wins.


In which case, Obama in a landslide. Or, if you want, keep convincing yourselves that the majority of the country wants a fundamentalist Christian lobbyist as its next president.
 
2012-02-08 09:32:16 AM
Missouri is freaky.

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2012-02-08 09:32:34 AM
The GOP candidates should all take a ride in a poorly maintained helicopter, in bad weather, over mountain lion country.
 
2012-02-08 09:36:00 AM

hillbillypharmacist: Edsel: Agreed, but I think the base has seen enough of Gingrich. I think it will be between Romney and Santorum from here on out and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Santorum wins.

Santorum needs to recruit Gingrich to run as his VP pick. That should make things interesting.

Gingrich might actually be somewhat useful as a VP attack dog.


Yeah. maybe. Santorum does well with the base and Tea Party, but not with the corporate types. He would need a finance-friendly guy to shore up his economic credentials.
 
2012-02-08 09:37:16 AM

Generation_D: Edsel: Guntram Shatterhand: And the Base still doesn't know what they want. They don't want Romney, that's for sure. But that seems like they're going to get since they keep pingponging between Gingrich and Santorum.

The real story lies in the lack of voter interest. The 2011 primaries can only be seen as a horrific failure now. How can you reignite interest in your eventual candidate(s) when everybody is already sick of them?

Agreed, but I think the base has seen enough of Gingrich. I think it will be between Romney and Santorum from here on out and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Santorum wins.

In which case, Obama in a landslide. Or, if you want, keep convincing yourselves that the majority of the country wants a fundamentalist Christian lobbyist as its next president.


Honestly? Obama beats any of these guys in a landslide, unless the economy really starts to tank again. The landslide will be bigger against Santorum than it would be against Romney however.
 
2012-02-08 09:40:59 AM

Edsel: Lots of denial going on about this - the fact is that Santorum has now won more states than Romney. The Republican base does NOT want Romney as the nominee. This is not going to be a coronation, this is still a fight and Romney now has to spend more money and more time on winning the nomination.


And move further right while attacking and being attacked (using Republican money). The Democrats must be loving this.
 
2012-02-08 09:43:33 AM

Guntram Shatterhand: And the Base still doesn't know what they want. They don't want Romney, that's for sure. But that seems like they're going to get since they keep pingponging between Gingrich and Santorum.

The real story lies in the lack of voter interest. The 2011 primaries can only be seen as a horrific failure now. How can you reignite interest in your eventual candidate(s) when everybody is already sick of them?


Everyone is comparing this primary fight to the one Obama and Clinton had, but the key difference is the "enthusiasm gap" . The 08 Dem primary season shattered records for voter turn out, and while the party was divided it was between people who passionately and whole-heartedly supported Obama, and those that loved Hillary and desperately wanted her as president. Neither was the "Eh, we don't really like him/her, but he/she is electable" candidate
 
2012-02-08 09:51:04 AM

dywed88: Edsel: Lots of denial going on about this - the fact is that Santorum has now won more states than Romney. The Republican base does NOT want Romney as the nominee. This is not going to be a coronation, this is still a fight and Romney now has to spend more money and more time on winning the nomination.

And move further right while attacking and being attacked (using Republican money). The Democrats must be loving this.


I really don't think the right fully appreciates the incredible favor Newt Gingrich did Obama this primary season. Romney's money, how, he earned it, and how much he returns to the government in taxes are probably his greatest vulnerabilities as a candidate, particularly among independents and "soft" Republicans.

It was also, an area that would have been off-limits for Obama to attack if Gingrich hadn't done so first. Absent Gingrich's hammering of these points, If Obama had brought them up he would have been extremely vulnerable to a counter-attack that reinforced the narrative that he's a socialist who hates sucessful people and was just engaging in anti-American class warfare.

But now Obama can deflect all that blow-back by pointing out that even an Arch-conservative like Gingrich had a problem with this-it's not just him.
 
2012-02-08 09:51:31 AM

Magorn: Guntram Shatterhand: And the Base still doesn't know what they want. They don't want Romney, that's for sure. But that seems like they're going to get since they keep pingponging between Gingrich and Santorum.

The real story lies in the lack of voter interest. The 2011 primaries can only be seen as a horrific failure now. How can you reignite interest in your eventual candidate(s) when everybody is already sick of them?

Everyone is comparing this primary fight to the one Obama and Clinton had, but the key difference is the "enthusiasm gap" . The 08 Dem primary season shattered records for voter turn out, and while the party was divided it was between people who passionately and whole-heartedly supported Obama, and those that loved Hillary and desperately wanted her as president. Neither was the "Eh, we don't really like him/her, but he/she is electable" candidate


Also, I don't remember the Democratic primary being this vitriolic. Sure, there were questions of past affiliations and such brought up, but the campaigns of Clinton and Obama were not nearly this negative.

With the Republican candidates constantly referring to each other as unelectable and every campaign ad I've seen being negative against each other, they're just hurting they're chances once they have a nominee. With all this campaigning, I still don't know what each candidate really offers to bring to the table, I just know that they consider their opponents to be a worse choice. All the Democrats have to do at this point is take notes and replay the Republican party's own talking points about why their final candidate shouldn't be elected.
 
2012-02-08 09:52:01 AM
Santorum really fits the GOP narrative.
 
2012-02-08 09:55:04 AM

Magorn: Everyone is comparing this primary fight to the one Obama and Clinton had, but the key difference is the "enthusiasm gap" . The 08 Dem primary season shattered records for voter turn out, and while the party was divided it was between people who passionately and whole-heartedly supported Obama, and those that loved Hillary and desperately wanted her as president. Neither was the "Eh, we don't really like him/her, but he/she is electable" candidate


Exactly. I remember commenting on how both candidates were strong and despite support for Obama, I would have no problem with Hillary. I'm glad she has an important role in the Obama administration and imagine that had the outcome been the opposite, Obama would have served in a similar capacity.

I can't imagine any of the three republican candidates even being in the same room with each other of their own free will, let alone serving under one of the others. .

Of course, it's a moot point, as none of these jokers has a chance in November anyhow.
 
2012-02-08 09:59:26 AM
anyone, other than the most hardcore religious voters, who hears the story about Santorum bringing his still born son home for a sleep over will not show up at the polls for him.

it's just weird, creepy, and weird.
That's just one little piece of the Santorum story, and it doesn't get much better.

These GOPers jump from one band wagon to the other. They hear a couple of tunes and realize this wagon sucks, or this wagon is a sociopath with a god complex, and then they're looking for the next wagon.

Fact is they don't have a candidate this year. They painted themselves into a corner real good.
 
2012-02-08 09:59:38 AM
Is it weird that I find Santorum oddly likeable despite the fact that I find his politics disgusting? That whole propping up his dead fetus and introducing it to his children was a little touching in a way to me. If some primitive tribesman in the Amazon did the same thing, I would probably find the ceremony completely endearing.
 
2012-02-08 10:00:40 AM

Great_Milenko: Of course, it's a moot point, as none of these jokers has a chance in November anyhow.


If the election were held right now, I agree, but there are many events that could occur in the months between now and November (i.e. if the economy tanks again, perhaps due to Europe), And this primary will help offset any setback.
 
2012-02-08 10:01:21 AM
This is good news... for everyone but the GOP.

Keep spending that money, Mitt.
Stay in the fight and keep attacking Mitt, Newt.
Keep the tea baggers' hopes alive, Rick.
Keep blowing your cash on your respective favorites, GOP base.
Keep showing your disgust by not bothering to come out and vote in the primaries, GOP regulars.

By the time the nominee is determined, the GOP nominee is going to be beaten up, damaged goods that no one will want. And that's BEFORE president Obama even begins to dip into the billion dollars he's going to drop on this election.

Chances are looking good for an Obama win, but what would really, really make my day is a Regan/Mondale style ass whupping.
 
2012-02-08 10:02:22 AM

InmanRoshi: Is it weird that I find Santorum oddly likeable despite the fact that I find his politics disgusting? That whole propping up his dead fetus and introducing it to his children was a little touching in a way to me. If some primitive tribesman in the Amazon did the same thing, I would probably find the ceremony completely endearing.


yeah, it's a bit weird...I mean unless they put sunglasses on the kid. Then it's funny.
 
2012-02-08 10:03:35 AM

hillbillypharmacist: But that temperance is totally offset by his loss in Colorado, where he won with 60% in 2008, and Minnesota, where he won with 41% of the vote in 2008, and where Romney's campaign manager Pawlenty was governor just a short time ago.


On the other hand, Romney won all these states in 2008 and still wasn't the nominee.
 
2012-02-08 10:04:08 AM

Wendy's Chili: That's about as much as Romney's BIG WIN in Nevada.


Yep. Well, maybe more like a big meh. The full results of the Nevada caucuses -- finally released by the comically incompetent state Republican Party nearly 48 hours after the voting -- showed Romney taking 50 percent of the less than 33,000 votes, a decline in both vote share and turnout from 2008. Link (new window)

Lots of folks say it's voter apathy for Romney. I think it is demographics. Republicans are dying.
 
2012-02-08 10:13:34 AM

Delay: Lots of folks say it's voter apathy for Romney. I think it is demographics. Republicans are dying.


I don't know if that is happening at such a rate that it is affecting the demographics yet. But I was just thinking about this the past few weeks. But this will really start to happen in the next 10 years. 20 years from now, it seem, conservatism, in its current form, will be dead along with the baby boomers.
 
2012-02-08 10:14:59 AM

unexplained bacon: InmanRoshi: Is it weird that I find Santorum oddly likeable despite the fact that I find his politics disgusting? That whole propping up his dead fetus and introducing it to his children was a little touching in a way to me. If some primitive tribesman in the Amazon did the same thing, I would probably find the ceremony completely endearing.

yeah, it's a bit weird...I mean unless they put sunglasses on the kid. Then it's funny.


I had a weekend at bernies joke all typed out but I couldn't press Add Comment, because I am such a compassionate person.
 
2012-02-08 10:16:54 AM

InmanRoshi: Is it weird that I find Santorum oddly likeable despite the fact that I find his politics disgusting? That whole propping up his dead fetus and introducing it to his children was a little touching in a way to me. If some primitive tribesman in the Amazon did the same thing, I would probably find the ceremony completely endearing.


Would you want said primitive Amazonian tribesman running your country?
 
2012-02-08 10:17:54 AM
I always thought Santorum was the best of the "not Mitts". He's a true social conservative believer, and (scarily) reflects their voter's base values, but he doesn't come across as a completely crazy eyed nutter in person like Bachmann. He's not as reckless, self deluded as Newt, and not as prone to habits of self sabotage. He's not a drooling at the mouth, functional retard like Perry (he's actually highly educated, MBA and a JD with honors). Unlike Cain he comes across as a professional politician rather than a snake oil salesman, and has a track record of campaigning and winning elections.

I mean, yeah, he's completely out of touch with the mainstream. Then again, so is the GOP.
 
2012-02-08 10:19:24 AM

dywed88: Edsel: Lots of denial going on about this - the fact is that Santorum has now won more states than Romney. The Republican base does NOT want Romney as the nominee. This is not going to be a coronation, this is still a fight and Romney now has to spend more money and more time on winning the nomination.

And move further right while attacking and being attacked (using Republican money). The Democrats must be loving this.


I don't know about the rest of us, but I sure love watching the other side do a circular firing squad for a change.

I also love the vast amounts of voter apathy coming from the primaries, Republican turnout is down all over the place and the people are staying home out of probable disgust.
 
2012-02-08 10:19:47 AM

NeoCortex42: With the Republican candidates constantly referring to each other as unelectable and every campaign ad I've seen being negative against each other, they're just hurting they're chances once they have a nominee. With all this campaigning, I still don't know what each candidate really offers to bring to the table, I just know that they consider their opponents to be a worse choice. All the Democrats have to do at this point is take notes and replay the Republican party's own talking points about why their final candidate shouldn't be elected.


Yup. This really showcases how splintered the Republican party is at it's core. A united front couls have rallied around a candidate and made a good charge at a seemingly vulnerable incumbent. Instead, everybody on the Right thought Obama was ripe for the picking, but everybody had a different idea about who would be the best person to take him down. Throw in a few egos and attention whores (Newt, Cain, Trump) and you get a drawn out process with a ridiculous number of debates thrusting all of the candidates and their flaws into the national spotlight night after night. It's like one big negative ad campaign Obama doesn't even have to run.
 
2012-02-08 10:20:03 AM

Headso: unexplained bacon: InmanRoshi: Is it weird that I find Santorum oddly likeable despite the fact that I find his politics disgusting? That whole propping up his dead fetus and introducing it to his children was a little touching in a way to me. If some primitive tribesman in the Amazon did the same thing, I would probably find the ceremony completely endearing.

yeah, it's a bit weird...I mean unless they put sunglasses on the kid. Then it's funny.

I had a weekend at bernies joke all typed out but I couldn't press Add Comment, because I am such a compassionate person.


weekend at bernies is an american classic, and it's message is timeless.
a corpse in sunglasses is always funny.

in fact, excuse me I have to update my will...
 
2012-02-08 10:20:09 AM

Generation_D: InmanRoshi: Is it weird that I find Santorum oddly likeable despite the fact that I find his politics disgusting? That whole propping up his dead fetus and introducing it to his children was a little touching in a way to me. If some primitive tribesman in the Amazon did the same thing, I would probably find the ceremony completely endearing.

Would you want said primitive Amazonian tribesman running your country?


I didn't say I wanted him running my country. Just said that Santurum comes across as remarkably likable despite having unlikable politics.
 
2012-02-08 10:21:49 AM

stevie1der: NeoCortex42: With the Republican candidates constantly referring to each other as unelectable and every campaign ad I've seen being negative against each other, they're just hurting they're chances once they have a nominee. With all this campaigning, I still don't know what each candidate really offers to bring to the table, I just know that they consider their opponents to be a worse choice. All the Democrats have to do at this point is take notes and replay the Republican party's own talking points about why their final candidate shouldn't be elected.

Yup. This really showcases how splintered the Republican party is at it's core. A united front couls have rallied around a candidate and made a good charge at a seemingly vulnerable incumbent. Instead, everybody on the Right thought Obama was ripe for the picking, but everybody had a different idea about who would be the best person to take him down. Throw in a few egos and attention whores (Newt, Cain, Trump) and you get a drawn out process with a ridiculous number of debates thrusting all of the candidates and their flaws into the national spotlight night after night. It's like one big negative ad campaign Obama doesn't even have to run.


dammit, its, ITS!
 
2012-02-08 10:21:57 AM

theknuckler_33: Delay: Lots of folks say it's voter apathy for Romney. I think it is demographics. Republicans are dying.

I don't know if that is happening at such a rate that it is affecting the demographics yet. But I was just thinking about this the past few weeks. But this will really start to happen in the next 10 years. 20 years from now, it seem, conservatism, in its current form, will be dead along with the baby boomers.


I know several old guys who used to be staunch conservatives who now are institutionalized with dementia. One of these retired guys was always organizing meetings with local candidates. Frankly, I see the attrition.
 
2012-02-08 10:26:59 AM

stevie1der:

dammit, its, ITS!


ditto
 
2012-02-08 10:27:27 AM
So is this the Republican 'Base' versus the Republican 'Establishment'?
 
2012-02-08 10:33:50 AM

gimmeafarkinname: So is this the Republican 'Base' versus the Republican 'Establishment'?


pretty much. if you watched the debates that's what he's running on.
 
2012-02-08 10:36:25 AM

colon_pow: if you watched the debates that's what he's running on


I can't handle it to be honest.
 
2012-02-08 10:37:16 AM

Wendy's Chili: That's about as much as Romney's BIG WIN in Nevada.


Exactly. All of Romney's voters in Nevada wouldn't have filled the football stadium in Las Vegas, yet the MSM talks about his "big win" in Nevada and hardly anything about how few people actually voted.
 
2012-02-08 10:37:29 AM

Delay: theknuckler_33: Delay: Lots of folks say it's voter apathy for Romney. I think it is demographics. Republicans are dying.

I don't know if that is happening at such a rate that it is affecting the demographics yet. But I was just thinking about this the past few weeks. But this will really start to happen in the next 10 years. 20 years from now, it seem, conservatism, in its current form, will be dead along with the baby boomers.

I know several old guys who used to be staunch conservatives who now are institutionalized with dementia. One of these retired guys was always organizing meetings with local candidates. Frankly, I see the attrition.


That's a pretty small sample. People are always dying. I'm just saying that I don't think that attrition will reach numbers that will have a noticeable effect on the overall electorate until the baby boomers start dying off in large numbers. Even the oldest boomers are only about 65 right now.
 
2012-02-08 10:40:18 AM

theknuckler_33: Delay: theknuckler_33: Delay: Lots of folks say it's voter apathy for Romney. I think it is demographics. Republicans are dying.

I don't know if that is happening at such a rate that it is affecting the demographics yet. But I was just thinking about this the past few weeks. But this will really start to happen in the next 10 years. 20 years from now, it seem, conservatism, in its current form, will be dead along with the baby boomers.

I know several old guys who used to be staunch conservatives who now are institutionalized with dementia. One of these retired guys was always organizing meetings with local candidates. Frankly, I see the attrition.

That's a pretty small sample. People are always dying. I'm just saying that I don't think that attrition will reach numbers that will have a noticeable effect on the overall electorate until the baby boomers start dying off in large numbers. Even the oldest boomers are only about 65 right now.


Come to think of it... it might be a good time to get into the embalming/cremation business.
 
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