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nopokerface
2012-02-08 07:28:01 AM
Alpha Phi Alpha?
Branding.
PizzaJedi81
2012-02-08 07:38:40 AM
Whenever I see these stories, my only thought is "Please not Kappa Sigma again."
namegoeshere
2012-02-08 08:28:51 AM
So they're on double super secret probation now?
TheDumbBlonde
2012-02-08 09:12:51 AM
Those guys were bad asses when I was at UF a hundred years ago. Some pledge jumped out of 4 story window during hell week.
Generation_D
2012-02-08 09:14:52 AM
You know the best part about this, its the mockery you get for decades later when your non-greek coworkers find out what a needy pathetic herd-monkey you were in college. Most grown ups in the working world weren't Greek system. So its like you were in a cult that you can't talk about once you leave. They don't tell you that part during Rush Week.
BunkyBrewman
2012-02-08 09:39:40 AM
nopokerface
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Alpha Phi Alpha?
Branding.
Diogenes
2012-02-08 09:44:34 AM
Generation_D
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You know the best part about this, its the mockery you get for decades later when your non-greek coworkers find out what a needy pathetic herd-monkey you were in college. Most grown ups in the working world weren't Greek system. So its like you were in a cult that you can't talk about once you leave. They don't tell you that part during Rush Week.
Got rejected, huh?
WaltzingMathilda
2012-02-08 10:02:29 AM
where did you get that amazing headline subby?
keylock71
2012-02-08 10:02:37 AM
Let me guess... Some kind of homoerotic act involving balls on someone's face or some phallic object shoved up someone's ass?
Never saw the appeal of Frats, myself. More power to you if it's your thing, but it always struck me as kind of lame when I was at UMass Amherst. Seems even more lame now that I'm 17 years older.
Diogenes
2012-02-08 10:13:08 AM
keylock71
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Let me guess... Some kind of homoerotic act involving balls on someone's face or some phallic object shoved up someone's ass?
Never saw the appeal of Frats, myself. More power to you if it's your thing, but it always struck me as kind of lame when I was at UMass Amherst. Seems even more lame now that I'm 17 years older.
I think the particular campus you're on makes a difference. Mine was very isolated, and it was a small school. Sure, there are the inevitable social lemmings. But for many at my school, it was a matter of practicality. An opportunity to get a decent meal outside campus food service and to have a bar in your basement.
keylock71
2012-02-08 10:22:54 AM
Diogenes
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I think the particular campus you're on makes a difference. Mine was very isolated, and it was a small school. Sure, there are the inevitable social lemmings. But for many at my school, it was a matter of practicality. An opportunity to get a decent meal outside campus food service and to have a bar in your basement.
I was never much of a "joiner"... Plus UMass is located in a pretty cool area of the state with plenty of excellent food options and social options outside of the University or Greek systems. Most of the Frats at UMass were the stereotypical jock/rich kid type of frats, anyway.
My own personal experience, of course. Like I said, if others like it and want to participate, who am I to criticize, but it was never anything I was interested in.
Diogenes
2012-02-08 10:28:25 AM
keylock71
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Diogenes: I think the particular campus you're on makes a difference. Mine was very isolated, and it was a small school. Sure, there are the inevitable social lemmings. But for many at my school, it was a matter of practicality. An opportunity to get a decent meal outside campus food service and to have a bar in your basement.
I was never much of a "joiner"... Plus UMass is located in a pretty cool area of the state with plenty of excellent food options and social options outside of the University or Greek systems. Most of the Frats at UMass were the stereotypical jock/rich kid type of frats, anyway.
My own personal experience, of course. Like I said, if others like it and want to participate, who am I to criticize, but it was never anything I was interested in.
Plus you had the 5 school consortium, giving you opportunities to expand and meet other people. I went to Colgate. Participation was high largely because they were the social heart of the campus. We outnumbered the town we were in.
I was secretary, veep twice, and prez of my chapter. We didn't haze. Our pledge period was fun.
Generation_D
2012-02-08 10:38:38 AM
Diogenes
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Generation_D: You know the best part about this, its the mockery you get for decades later when your non-greek coworkers find out what a needy pathetic herd-monkey you were in college. Most grown ups in the working world weren't Greek system. So its like you were in a cult that you can't talk about once you leave. They don't tell you that part during Rush Week.
Got rejected, huh?
Never applied. keep effin that chicken though.
Diogenes
2012-02-08 10:45:02 AM
Generation_D
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Diogenes: Generation_D: You know the best part about this, its the mockery you get for decades later when your non-greek coworkers find out what a needy pathetic herd-monkey you were in college. Most grown ups in the working world weren't Greek system. So its like you were in a cult that you can't talk about once you leave. They don't tell you that part during Rush Week.
Got rejected, huh?
Never applied. keep effin that chicken though.
Broad brush paints in both directions.
WaltzingMathilda
2012-02-08 10:59:51 AM
Generation_D
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You know the best part about this, its the mockery you get for decades later when your non-greek coworkers find out what a needy pathetic herd-monkey you were in college. Most grown ups in the working world weren't Greek system. So its like you were in a cult that you can't talk about once you leave. They don't tell you that part during Rush Week.
what line of work are you in? because honestly in my line of work about half of the people i work with were in the greek system. hell i was for 3 semesters before i decided i'd rather live with 3 or 4 roommates rather than 80. in a lot of really big universities with a huge greek system, an enormous percentage of freshman rush because all of the friends they just met in the dorms are doing the same thing. and frankly, they don't have the wisdom of people like you decades older than them who have had the time to make judgments on the greek system. how could they? 3 months ago they were at prom.
keylock71
2012-02-08 11:09:23 AM
Diogenes
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keylock71: Diogenes: I think the particular campus you're on makes a difference. Mine was very isolated, and it was a small school. Sure, there are the inevitable social lemmings. But for many at my school, it was a matter of practicality. An opportunity to get a decent meal outside campus food service and to have a bar in your basement.
I was never much of a "joiner"... Plus UMass is located in a pretty cool area of the state with plenty of excellent food options and social options outside of the University or Greek systems. Most of the Frats at UMass were the stereotypical jock/rich kid type of frats, anyway.
My own personal experience, of course. Like I said, if others like it and want to participate, who am I to criticize, but it was never anything I was interested in.
Plus you had the 5 school consortium, giving you opportunities to expand and meet other people. I went to Colgate. Participation was high largely because they were the social heart of the campus. We outnumbered the town we were in.
I was secretary, veep twice, and prez of my chapter. We didn't haze. Our pledge period was fun.
Yeah, it really was a small part of the "UMass Experience"... I think I went to one Frat party when I was there and it was basically a bunch of meat heads and the type of girls that tend to congregate around meat heads getting hammered and listening to Pearl Jam and the like.
The Art and Music Dept. students threw way better parties and there was a variety of bars to choose from off Campus (and a couple on campus). I always liked the "Townie Bars", myself... mostly locals and older students.
I was fairly anti-frat when I was younger, but it seems ridiculous to get all that upset about them now that I'm in my 40s. Plus I've met a number of cool folks that belonged to frats as I got older.
I guess I give the whole discussion a big ol', "Meh" these days... Though, I still have a chuckle at some of the more ridiculous homoerotic hazing incidents I read about every now and again.
namegoeshere
2012-02-08 11:10:49 AM
Generation_D
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You know the best part about this, its the mockery you get for decades later when your non-greek coworkers find out what a needy pathetic herd-monkey you were in college. Most grown ups in the working world weren't Greek system. So its like you were in a cult that you can't talk about once you leave. They don't tell you that part during Rush Week.
What kind of children do you work with who would care what social groups someone was involved with back in college?
Diogenes
2012-02-08 11:11:10 AM
WaltzingMathilda
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Generation_D: You know the best part about this, its the mockery you get for decades later when your non-greek coworkers find out what a needy pathetic herd-monkey you were in college. Most grown ups in the working world weren't Greek system. So its like you were in a cult that you can't talk about once you leave. They don't tell you that part during Rush Week.
what line of work are you in? because honestly in my line of work about half of the people i work with were in the greek system. hell i was for 3 semesters before i decided i'd rather live with 3 or 4 roommates rather than 80. in a lot of really big universities with a huge greek system, an enormous percentage of freshman rush because all of the friends they just met in the dorms are doing the same thing. and frankly, they don't have the wisdom of people like you decades older than them who have had the time to make judgments on the greek system. how could they? 3 months ago they were at prom.
No no. We're all socially maladjusted and need the Greek system as a social crutch. We all immediately renounce our non-Greek friends and acquaintances. The only time we leave the house is make keg runs. We're all rapists. We're all alcoholics. All fraternities are the same. All Greek dynamics on every campus are the same. Greeks are all the same. And everyone who wasn't Greek will later deride us later in life for being losers.
Pretty damned judgmental of you
Generation_D
, which I find surprising and disappointing.
Diogenes
2012-02-08 11:12:40 AM
I was also in one of the country's oldest college a cappella groups. So I guess that makes me gay, too, right?
Oh, wait.....
;-)
bottsicus
2012-02-08 11:24:30 AM
"It's an hour and a half meeting, and
it takes a long time to sit through,
" Kingston described.
Like, approximately an hour and a half, Mr. Kingston?
indylaw
2012-02-08 11:26:13 AM
FTFA:
"It's an hour and a half meeting, and it takes a long time to sit through," Kingston described.
No shiat. In fact, it takes about 90 minutes.
It's that type of thinking that separates you from the assholes at Florida State.
Shadune
2012-02-08 11:28:06 AM
Generation_D
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Diogenes: Generation_D: You know the best part about this, its the mockery you get for decades later when your non-greek coworkers find out what a needy pathetic herd-monkey you were in college. Most grown ups in the working world weren't Greek system. So its like you were in a cult that you can't talk about once you leave. They don't tell you that part during Rush Week.
Got rejected, huh?
Never applied. keep effin that chicken though.
sigdiamond2000
2012-02-08 11:28:30 AM
Even
Deaf Frat Guy
thinks this is Bush League, bro.
You don't fire a potato gun through a rival frat's window during Rush Week. There are rules.
Danger Mouse
2012-02-08 11:33:02 AM
Generation_D
:
You know the best part about this, its the mockery you get for decades later when your non-greek coworkers find out what a needy pathetic herd-monkey you were in college. Most grown ups in the working world weren't Greek system. So its like you were in a cult that you can't talk about once you leave. They don't tell you that part during Rush Week.
Too cool join, eh?
Riiiiiiight.
Person
2012-02-08 11:33:07 AM
Frats would be a lot happier and less prone to physical violence if they'd just come out of the closet. It's 2012 fellas, it's OK. You don't have to hide your love of man-sex behind drunken orgies involving physical humiliation. Drop the self-loathing.
TrainingWheelsNeeded
2012-02-08 11:35:25 AM
I had to work in college, waited tables. Most of my friends were other waiters, some in school, most not. We were pretty fraternal but without all the aggressive ass play. Oh who am I kidding we grab assed all the time. NTTIAWWT
keylock71
2012-02-08 11:37:19 AM
Diogenes
:
I was also in one of the country's oldest college a cappella groups. So I guess that makes me gay, too, right?
Oh, wait.....
;-)
I don't know, man... These guys look pretty straight. : )
Super Chronic
2012-02-08 11:39:31 AM
Diogenes
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keylock71: Let me guess... Some kind of homoerotic act involving balls on someone's face or some phallic object shoved up someone's ass?
Never saw the appeal of Frats, myself. More power to you if it's your thing, but it always struck me as kind of lame when I was at UMass Amherst. Seems even more lame now that I'm 17 years older.
I think the particular campus you're on makes a difference. Mine was very isolated, and it was a small school. Sure, there are the inevitable social lemmings. But for many at my school, it was a matter of practicality. An opportunity to get a decent meal outside campus food service and to have a bar in your basement.
Same here. What passed for "fraternities" at my school looked more like what state schools called loser co-ops. Funny thing is, although my chapter sort of resembled the Tri-Lambs at Adams College (as did every other fraternity at the school), the same frat at the Big Ten school up the road was home to a big chunk of their football team. The social mixer that we did once was hilarious. (They didn't go all Ogre on us; they were very nice. But still.)
Ecobuckeye
2012-02-08 11:39:35 AM
Great headline, Submitter-bot!
Diogenes
2012-02-08 11:41:51 AM
keylock71
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Diogenes: I was also in one of the country's oldest college a cappella groups. So I guess that makes me gay, too, right?
Oh, wait.....
;-)
I don't know, man... These guys look pretty straight. : )
[www.covershut.com image 400x400]
Feh. "Co-ed." Riiiight.
MBZ321
2012-02-08 11:42:49 AM
Does anyone really care outside of college if you were in a fraternity or not? To me it seems to be the equivalent of "I played High School Football".
\Never understood the whole Frat. thing.
thomps
2012-02-08 11:47:09 AM
MBZ321
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Does anyone really care outside of college if you were in a fraternity or not? To me it seems to be the equivalent of "I played High School Football".
\Never understood the whole Frat. thing.
yeah not something i really care too much about, and it amazes me how much some recent graduates value the experience. interviewing new grads who spend the entire time talking about all of the responsibilities and honorifics they received from their frats makes me cringe.
hailin
2012-02-08 11:47:27 AM
"You cannot cause harm. You cannot mean harm. You have to treat them as individuals," explained fraternity member Andrew Schultz.
So that means a nice dinner before the sodomy?
TravisBickle62
2012-02-08 11:50:31 AM
I was in a fraternity at U of F. My experience was typical, you are active in the frat your freshman and sophomore years cause the parties are good, then you move off campus and stop participating. Since I graduated I've socialized with a total of two people from the frat.
We were hazed in the 80's but the hazing consisted of doing pushups, situps and some sleep deprivation ... I didn't mind the exercise.
Diogenes
2012-02-08 11:50:43 AM
MBZ321
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Does anyone really care outside of college if you were in a fraternity or not? To me it seems to be the equivalent of "I played High School Football".
\Never understood the whole Frat. thing.
Sometimes you might happen upon someone from another chapter later in life and it gives you the opportunity to swap stories and reminisce. It's not like it was decades ago when it might give you an advantage in the workplace or in job hunting. At best it might get your foot in the door someplace.
I don't hang out at the chapter house when I go back. I'm closer to my friends and other alums of the a cappella group. I'll visit to check the place out, but that's about it. My next reunion (20 years) is in June.
TheGreatGazoo
2012-02-08 11:52:29 AM
"Can we beat you up so we can be friends?".
I avoided the Greek system when I went to Mizzou because half of them were on double secret probation because a lot of their members were also members of the square root club.
Do they make you buy all of those T-shirts or is that just part of your dues? They seemed to have a new T-shirt every time someone sneezed.
Diogenes
2012-02-08 11:56:38 AM
TheGreatGazoo
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Do they make you buy all of those T-shirts or is that just part of your dues? They seemed to have a new T-shirt every time someone sneezed.
And at least half of them involved being naked. Naked Rugby. Naked Funneling. Naked Breathing.
you have pee hands
2012-02-08 11:58:29 AM
thomps
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yeah not something i really care too much about, and it amazes me how much some recent graduates value the experience. interviewing new grads who spend the entire time talking about all of the responsibilities and honorifics they received from their frats makes me cringe.
It's a bad idea to talk about but lots of recent college grads have *nothing* to say at an interview. The economy sucks so there aren't that many internships around, so you've got people whose entire 'experience' is a couple class projects. They'll cling to the frat because they think it says 'leadership'.
Janusdog
2012-02-08 12:02:35 PM
It's always the frats getting in trouble in splashy ways but the women aren't much better. One of the sororities on campus when I was a freshman at a Big Ten school hazed women by making them strip naked and then the sisters would use a sharpie to draw circles on "fat" areas on the pledges and called them all sorts of names.
They didn't get in any trouble though, because they were overshadowed by one frat pouring chocolate syrup on the pledges that had broken glass in it.
thomps
2012-02-08 12:06:04 PM
you have pee hands
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thomps: yeah not something i really care too much about, and it amazes me how much some recent graduates value the experience. interviewing new grads who spend the entire time talking about all of the responsibilities and honorifics they received from their frats makes me cringe.
It's a bad idea to talk about but lots of recent college grads have *nothing* to say at an interview. The economy sucks so there aren't that many internships around, so you've got people whose entire 'experience' is a couple class projects. They'll cling to the frat because they think it says 'leadership'.
yeah for sure, i guess i just hung out with too many guys who had leadership positions in frats when i was in college to know how bullsh*t most of those things are. i'd rather hear about internships or interesting class projects because then i can at least pretend that they might have been meaningful experiences.
doubled99
2012-02-08 12:06:42 PM
You geeks who can't get laid don't know...friends for life...top shelf pussy...shiat...someone help me.
Tom_Slick
2012-02-08 12:17:41 PM
nopokerface
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Alpha Phi Alpha?
Branding.
At my school the Omega Psi Phi's did the branding Alpha Phi alpha were the ones walking around with the white canes.
/Both would take turns painting the Kappa Alpha's lawn jockey white.
Jjaro
2012-02-08 12:20:18 PM
Generation_D
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You know the best part about this, its the mockery you get for decades later when your non-greek coworkers find out what a needy pathetic herd-monkey you were in college. Most grown ups in the working world weren't Greek system. So its like you were in a cult that you can't talk about once you leave. They don't tell you that part during Rush Week.
You might have never tried to pledge, but you definitely are harboring some sort of strong resentment here.
And obviously the majority of adults weren't Greek in college, because the majority of college students aren't Greek. However depending on your field, be it finance, politics, law, medicine, etc a strong proportion of the "grown ups" are Greek. Higher than the proportion of students who join fraternities and sororities. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your hatred.
glenlivid
2012-02-08 12:21:45 PM
Does this mean NPR can dedicate another 25 hours to this dead-horse topic?
badplaid
2012-02-08 12:44:36 PM
Generation_D
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You know the best part about this, its the mockery you get for decades later when your non-greek coworkers find out what a needy pathetic herd-monkey you were in college. Most grown ups in the working world weren't Greek system. So its like you were in a cult that you can't talk about once you leave. They don't tell you that part during Rush Week.
I never really mention it, but oddly enough it has come up at times especially in the midwest where many people in engineering and manufacturing went to Big Ten Schools...turns out my first boss was in the same fraternity (same school too...found that out over lunch at the end of the interview. did it score the job? likely not, but we had something in common and didnt hurt the relationship), my second boss was in the same fraternity (different school, but he was still hardcore involved so he thought it was cooler than I did) and my third boss was in the national sister sorority as my fraternity (one of their founders was one of our founders...she also was somewhat actively involved...she thought it was cool as well).
Now I don't mention it much at all, but I just happen to work with two guys who were freshman pledges when I was a senior...they recognized me in the lunchroom a week after I started...and in a place with 4000 people and me working in kind of an esoteric engineering group of 10 people who are mainly from China or India in a satellite building to the HQ, it is nice to have two guys to get lunch and beers with once and a while.
I met a lot of people in college and kept in touch with quite a few inside and outside of my fraternity. The cool ones I knew in the fraternity are mainly still cool or are just less cool because they are married drones. The cool ones outside the fraternity are still ok, but when I see them and they bring up the glory days of the computer lab or the few times we went out for beers after electrical engineering class I kind of just laugh. The douchebags I still know from the fraternity don't really interact with me which is great. The douchbags I know from outside the fraternity mainly facebook me or email me to see if I can help them get a job.
keylock71
2012-02-08 01:04:02 PM
I work in Advertising/Graphic Design, and I don't think I know anyone in this industry who was in a Frat in college... Maybe it's an Art School thing.
We don't have friends, anyway. Just demographics to be targeted. : )
Baz the Spaz
2012-02-08 01:04:29 PM
Does not approve.
jjwars1
2012-02-08 01:52:23 PM
Diogenes
:
WaltzingMathilda: Generation_D: You know the best part about this, its the mockery you get for decades later when your non-greek coworkers find out what a needy pathetic herd-monkey you were in college. Most grown ups in the working world weren't Greek system. So its like you were in a cult that you can't talk about once you leave. They don't tell you that part during Rush Week.
what line of work are you in? because honestly in my line of work about half of the people i work with were in the greek system. hell i was for 3 semesters before i decided i'd rather live with 3 or 4 roommates rather than 80. in a lot of really big universities with a huge greek system, an enormous percentage of freshman rush because all of the friends they just met in the dorms are doing the same thing. and frankly, they don't have the wisdom of people like you decades older than them who have had the time to make judgments on the greek system. how could they? 3 months ago they were at prom.
No no. We're all socially maladjusted and need the Greek system as a social crutch. We all immediately renounce our non-Greek friends and acquaintances. The only time we leave the house is make keg runs. We're all rapists. We're all alcoholics. All fraternities are the same. All Greek dynamics on every campus are the same. Greeks are all the same. And everyone who wasn't Greek will later deride us later in life for being losers.
Pretty damned judgmental of you Generation_D, which I find surprising and disappointing.
All those stereotypes you just listed occurred on my campus minus the never leaving the house thing. Obviously not all Greeks are like that, but those generalizations exist most likely because far too many Greeks are like that ruining it for everyone else.
sseye
2012-02-08 01:56:32 PM
indylaw
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FTFA: "It's an hour and a half meeting, and it takes a long time to sit through," Kingston described.
No shiat. In fact, it takes about 90 minutes.
It's that type of thinking that separates you from the assholes at Florida State.
I was told there would be no math.
Seacrest
2012-02-08 02:11:54 PM
All Apollo 11 astronauts
40/47 Supreme Court Justices since 1910
80% Fortune 500 executives
75% All Senators/Congressmen
All but 3 maybe 4 US Presidents since 1825(1st social fraternity founded)
but yeah the Greek system is worthless
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