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2012-02-07 01:18:23 PM
"Hello, Suicide Hotline? I'd like you to make me suicidal."
 
2012-02-07 01:18:50 PM
There are no words.....but this part at the end was absolutely ridiculous because there was no merit to it:

" After he was released from the hospital and determined not to be a suicide risk, Corrigan says, police arrested him and put him in jail, where he remained for almost 2 weeks.

When Corrigan returned to his apartment 16 days after being seized, he found that John Does I-XV had left the front door unlocked and unsecured, had left the electric stove on, had cut open every zipped bag, had dumped every box and drawer, had broken locked boxes from under the bed and the closet, and emptied shelves into piles in each room. All his tropical fish in his 150 gallon aquarium were dead."

What were the charges? Owning weapons and keeping them under lock and key after not sleeping for a few nights?
 
2012-02-07 01:20:29 PM
Why was he arrested? Ridiculous.
 
2012-02-07 01:21:36 PM
I guess that's why they don't call it the Suicide Prevention Hotline.
 
2012-02-07 01:25:38 PM
sounds legit
 
2012-02-07 01:26:25 PM
AbbeySomeone: Why was he arrested? Ridiculous.

For not actually trying to commit suicide.
 
2012-02-07 01:33:08 PM
SphericalTime: AbbeySomeone: Why was he arrested? Ridiculous.

For not actually trying to commit suicide.


Breach of contract. Clear and simple.
 
2012-02-07 01:40:49 PM
FTFA: 'I don't have time to play this constitutional bullshiat!'

If that is actually what was said, it speaks volumes about what is wrong with the police force right now.
 
2012-02-07 01:44:14 PM
That's like an opening sequence of a bad Michael Douglas film.
 
2012-02-07 01:52:50 PM
pisceandreamer: FTFA: 'I don't have time to play this constitutional bullshiat!'

If that is actually what was said, it speaks volumes about what is wrong with the police force right now.


It could also quite possibly strip the officer of his qualified immunity. If he really said that, then he entered the home knowingly in violation of Corrigan's established constitutional rights. Corrigan can then sue the officer personally, instead of just suing the department.
 
2012-02-07 02:08:36 PM
he denied officers permission to enter his house, but they entered and trashed it anyway, saying, "I don't have time to play this constitutional bullshiat!"

img.photobucket.com

/it's been dead a while now
 
2012-02-07 02:09:55 PM
As someone who used to volunteer for a mental health hotline, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

If the caller mentioned that they felt like harming themselves or others and had the means to do it we had to contact the authorities, although to my knowledge they never showed up SWAT-style like those mentioned in the article.

Most of the time callers just needed a person to talk to...in many cases I could almost sense their desperation and loneliness through the phone. Unfortunately between 1/4 and 1/3 of the calls were from perverts who wanted to know what you were wearing, wanted you to say something specific or would just breathe heavily into the phone. After ten seconds we'd hang up.
 
2012-02-07 02:10:29 PM
Farking pigs. Farking hate the cops.
 
2012-02-07 02:13:05 PM
Jake Havechek: Farking pigs. Farking hate the cops.

There's a surprise.
 
2012-02-07 02:16:44 PM
miss diminutive: Unfortunately between 1/4 and 1/3 of the calls were from perverts who wanted to know what you were wearing, wanted you to say something specific or would just breathe heavily into the phone. After ten seconds we'd hang up.

What do you do with suicidal perverts?

/asking for a friend
 
2012-02-07 02:17:12 PM
TheDumbBlonde: That's like an opening sequence of a bad Michael Douglas film.

Harvey Keitel.
 
2012-02-07 02:18:16 PM
miss diminutive: If the caller mentioned that they felt like harming themselves or others and had the means to do it we had to contact the authorities

which doesn't seem to be the case here.
He said nothing about being suicidal or using a firearm or threatening anyone.
 
2012-02-07 02:28:03 PM
BunkoSquad: miss diminutive: Unfortunately between 1/4 and 1/3 of the calls were from perverts who wanted to know what you were wearing, wanted you to say something specific or would just breathe heavily into the phone. After ten seconds we'd hang up.

What do you do with suicidal perverts?

/asking for a friend


I laughed.
 
2012-02-07 02:28:27 PM
pisceandreamer: FTFA: 'I don't have time to play this constitutional bullshiat!'

If that is actually what was said, it speaks volumes about what is wrong with the police force right now.


I like how they say that while like half the town's police force is all readily available to come down to the guy's apartment. It seems like they have plenty of time. They even kept him on their calendar and harassed him when he got out of the hospital.
 
2012-02-07 02:32:03 PM
The article leaves out what he was arrested for. That might be important, or at least shed some light on the behavior of the police.
 
2012-02-07 02:39:33 PM
ShawnDoc: The article leaves out what he was arrested for. That might be important, or at least shed some light on the behavior of the police.

Would that really justify that?
 
2012-02-07 02:41:55 PM
Backwards Cornfield Races: " After he was released from the hospital and determined not to be a suicide risk, Corrigan says, police arrested him and put him in jail, where he remained for almost 2 weeks.

The details of that were glossed over in an otherwise very detailed report. While the cops' actions were definitely overboard, I would be interested to know this little tidbit for full disclosure.
 
2012-02-07 02:42:48 PM
"constitutional bullshiat"

where are the tough guys who go on and on about how they took an oath to protect the Constitution from threats both foreign and domestic? I hear this shiat spouted off when someone wants to give motherfarkers affordable health care, yet not a peep when there is an actual systematic internal threat.
 
2012-02-07 02:43:20 PM
ShawnDoc: The article leaves out what he was arrested for. That might be important, or at least shed some light on the behavior of the police.

He lives in DC. They probably arrested him because he admitted to owning guns and living there.
 
2012-02-07 02:50:16 PM
i236.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-07 02:50:48 PM
BunkoSquad: miss diminutive: Unfortunately between 1/4 and 1/3 of the calls were from perverts who wanted to know what you were wearing, wanted you to say something specific or would just breathe heavily into the phone. After ten seconds we'd hang up.

What do you do with suicidal perverts?

/asking for a friend


Charge $9.95 a minute?

timujin: miss diminutive: If the caller mentioned that they felt like harming themselves or others and had the means to do it we had to contact the authorities

which doesn't seem to be the case here.
He said nothing about being suicidal or using a firearm or threatening anyone.


Yeah, I noticed that. I'm not all that surprised given how aggressive US police practices have become. Here in Canada those kinds of situations are rare.
 
2012-02-07 02:52:23 PM
EnviroDude: ShawnDoc: The article leaves out what he was arrested for. That might be important, or at least shed some light on the behavior of the police.

He lives in DC. They probably arrested him because he admitted to owning guns and living there.


$50.00 says it was for 'Inducing Panic'

'Inducing Panic', the new 'Disorderly Conduct', except we can kill you for it.
 
2012-02-07 02:53:12 PM
Backwards Cornfield Races: There are no words.....but this part at the end was absolutely ridiculous because there was no merit to it:

" After he was released from the hospital and determined not to be a suicide risk, Corrigan says, police arrested him and put him in jail, where he remained for almost 2 weeks.

When Corrigan returned to his apartment 16 days after being seized, he found that John Does I-XV had left the front door unlocked and unsecured, had left the electric stove on, had cut open every zipped bag, had dumped every box and drawer, had broken locked boxes from under the bed and the closet, and emptied shelves into piles in each room. All his tropical fish in his 150 gallon aquarium were dead."

What were the charges? Owning weapons and keeping them under lock and key after not sleeping for a few nights?


That'll learn ya fer thinkin bout killin yerself.
 
2012-02-07 02:54:12 PM
EnviroDude: They probably arrested him because he admitted to owning guns and living there.

Not familiar with DC gun laws, but, generally, if the police entered without a warrant, the finding of those guns is fruit of the poisonous tree (in other words inadmissible in court). Once he was out of the house, they couldn't even use the excuse that there was an emergency (soldier possibly harming himself) or other crime that would make it ok to enter his home without a warrant or permission.

I'd like to hear the other side of the argument (did he tell police he had bombs or was going to do something that could harm others etc?) before final judgment though.
 
2012-02-07 02:59:03 PM
ArkAngel: pisceandreamer: FTFA: 'I don't have time to play this constitutional bullshiat!'

If that is actually what was said, it speaks volumes about what is wrong with the police force right now.

It could also quite possibly strip the officer of his qualified immunity. If he really said that, then he entered the home knowingly in violation of Corrigan's established constitutional rights. Corrigan can then sue the officer personally, instead of just suing the department.


In theory. Now prove that he said it. Hence, why the police hate recording devices.
 
2012-02-07 03:02:56 PM
Madbassist1: EnviroDude: ShawnDoc: The article leaves out what he was arrested for. That might be important, or at least shed some light on the behavior of the police.

He lives in DC. They probably arrested him because he admitted to owning guns and living there.

$50.00 says it was for 'Inducing Panic'

'Inducing Panic', the new 'Disorderly Conduct', except we can kill you for it.


This is the first I've heard of this but it does seem that they induced panic in him.
 
2012-02-07 03:06:43 PM
I'm just surprised his dog may still be alive. Quite possibly gone, yes, but maybe still alive.
 
2012-02-07 03:12:20 PM
damageddude: Not familiar with DC gun laws, but, generally, if the police entered without a warrant, the finding of those guns is fruit of the poisonous tree (in other words inadmissible in court).

No. They'll claim probable cause due to the information provided by the suicide prevention staffer, and claim they didn't have time to get a warrant due to the risk he would use the guns to harm himself or others.

/Conveniently forgetting that the man was already in custody prior to the illegal search because that's what the cops will do.
 
2012-02-07 03:19:44 PM
farking cops.
 
2012-02-07 03:28:10 PM
AbbeySomeone: Madbassist1: EnviroDude: ShawnDoc: The article leaves out what he was arrested for. That might be important, or at least shed some light on the behavior of the police.

He lives in DC. They probably arrested him because he admitted to owning guns and living there.

$50.00 says it was for 'Inducing Panic'

'Inducing Panic', the new 'Disorderly Conduct', except we can kill you for it.

This is the first I've heard of this but it does seem that they induced panic in him.


They show up at 4 am. He surrenders 45 minutes later. I am sure that the dozens of cars with lights on and the bullhorn from the police had nothing to do with starting the panic.

Good thing he wasn't a sound sleeper or had left the apartment after making the phone call, otherwise they would have stayed out there all morning and sent him a bill too.
 
2012-02-07 03:42:57 PM
ultraholland: where are the tough guys who go on and on about how they took an oath to protect the Constitution from threats both foreign and domestic?

We don't fly
We avoid a lot of jail time that way.
 
2012-02-07 03:44:29 PM
ShawnDoc: damageddude: Not familiar with DC gun laws, but, generally, if the police entered without a warrant, the finding of those guns is fruit of the poisonous tree (in other words inadmissible in court).

No. They'll claim probable cause due to the information provided by the suicide prevention staffer, and claim they didn't have time to get a warrant due to the risk he would use the guns to harm himself or others.

/Conveniently forgetting that the man was already in custody prior to the illegal search because that's what the cops will do.


It's called "exigent circumstances," comrade.
 
2012-02-07 03:53:40 PM
BravadoGT: ShawnDoc: damageddude: Not familiar with DC gun laws, but, generally, if the police entered without a warrant, the finding of those guns is fruit of the poisonous tree (in other words inadmissible in court).

No. They'll claim probable cause due to the information provided by the suicide prevention staffer, and claim they didn't have time to get a warrant due to the risk he would use the guns to harm himself or others.

/Conveniently forgetting that the man was already in custody prior to the illegal search because that's what the cops will do.

It's called "exigent circumstances," comrade.


Not in this case, dumbass. There are no exigent circumstances, nor evidence of same. It would need to be manufactured.
 
2012-02-07 04:31:47 PM
ShawnDoc: The article leaves out what he was arrested for. That might be important, or at least shed some light on the behavior of the police.

28 police men showing up for calling a hotline asking for help with insomnia? Leaving the door open and the stove on and the fish unfed?


No. They shouldn't have been there. They shouldn't have done that. And they should be prevented from doing something like it ever again. I'd be on this guy's side even if he had injured a few of the officers, which according to the article, was not the case.

I'd go far as saying the ring leader cop should be facing at least jail time over this. AT LEAST. In a more civilized era, he'd be facing the man whose house he ruined in a little extra legal duel for all this stuff. Maybe broadswords on an island, just like Abe Lincoln.
 
2012-02-07 04:37:27 PM
Madbassist1: BravadoGT: ShawnDoc: damageddude: Not familiar with DC gun laws, but, generally, if the police entered without a warrant, the finding of those guns is fruit of the poisonous tree (in other words inadmissible in court).

No. They'll claim probable cause due to the information provided by the suicide prevention staffer, and claim they didn't have time to get a warrant due to the risk he would use the guns to harm himself or others.

/Conveniently forgetting that the man was already in custody prior to the illegal search because that's what the cops will do.

It's called "exigent circumstances," comrade.

Not in this case, dumbass. There are no exigent circumstances, nor evidence of same. It would need to be manufactured.


I was merely identifying the legal term of art that ShawnDoc was referring to. But I'm sure you knew that, with your law degree and lengthly career practicing in criminal courts. In fact, I am sure you noticed that all the info in that article was merely taken from the man's complaint--it didn't have the government's side of the story, and by no means did it represent the findings of any court. Because if you were to judge the merits of a case solely on the complaint, taking everything alleged as 100% factual, and without any answer from the other side--you'd be quite the dumbass, wouldn't you?
 
2012-02-07 04:50:53 PM
Starry Heavens: I'm just surprised his dog may still be alive. Quite possibly gone, yes, but maybe still alive.

ironically, that's what i thought too. you just have to assume somehow they are going to find a way to kill the dog.
 
2012-02-07 04:53:35 PM
I wonder if he still thinks he defended our "freedom" when he was in the army.
 
2012-02-07 04:54:19 PM
Wow.........

Great police system you've got going on over there.
 
2012-02-07 04:54:21 PM
Yeah, I've gotten screwed by calling the suicide hotline myself (and not in the good way). Cops showing up even after you promise not to hurt yourself, getting handcuffed and dragged off to the emergency room where they treat you like you waltzed in of your own free will for the sole purpose of wasting everybody's time, yeah, good times.

Even though I still struggle with depression and occasional suicidal thoughts, the system has taught me well: Never, ever call the hotline.
 
2012-02-07 04:54:52 PM
Mugato: farking cops pigs.
 
2012-02-07 04:55:16 PM
Suicide Hotline now will send firearms experts over to help you shoot yourself 16 times in the back and plant the throw-away gun on your body.
 
2012-02-07 04:55:29 PM
BravadoGT: ShawnDoc: damageddude: Not familiar with DC gun laws, but, generally, if the police entered without a warrant, the finding of those guns is fruit of the poisonous tree (in other words inadmissible in court).

No. They'll claim probable cause due to the information provided by the suicide prevention staffer, and claim they didn't have time to get a warrant due to the risk he would use the guns to harm himself or others.

/Conveniently forgetting that the man was already in custody prior to the illegal search because that's what the cops will do.

It's called "exigent circumstances," comrade.


Exigent circumstances is a great argument if there was some imminent harm to persons or property, destruction of property or preventing the escape of a suspect. However, the cops entered the apartment after Matthew Corrigan left the apartment and was already handcuffed and placed in the police cruiser. So no, exigent circumstances probably wouldn't fly.
 
2012-02-07 04:58:55 PM
ArkAngel: It could also quite possibly strip the officer of his qualified immunity. If he really said that, then he entered the home knowingly in violation of Corrigan's established constitutional rights. Corrigan can then sue the officer personally, instead of just suing the department.

Good luck proving it. It's his word against theirs, and you know theirs has been agreed upon, even if it's true.
 
2012-02-07 04:59:03 PM
Well if the guy filed a lawsuit, everything in it must be true.
 
2012-02-07 04:59:12 PM
Stay classy, Bob. (new window)
 
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