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2012-02-07 01:48:40 PM
The judge is correct in this case. The people who filed suit can't challenge the law until it has affected them somehow. All they need to do is ride their bikes on the path until one of them gets a ticket. Then they can challenge it.
 
2012-02-07 02:07:49 PM
Yeah! Another entitled bicyclist thread!
 
2012-02-07 02:10:26 PM
This country gets wackier by the day.

Bicycle dismount zone?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-02-07 02:18:25 PM
The substance behind the suit is an allegation that the land was given to the project with the condition that bicycles be allowed. (See story from 2010.) Otherwise it's within a city's power everywhere I've heard of to limit use of a non-road path to non-vehicular traffic. (Wheelchairs used by disabled people are typically considered non-vehicular traffic.)

The Fark headline isn't accurate. It follows the common confusion of non-road path with "bicycle path." I suppose governments encourage this confusion so they can get political credit for building bike paths when in reality they built baby stroller paths.
 
2012-02-07 02:21:05 PM
ZAZ: The substance behind the suit is an allegation that the land was given to the project with the condition that bicycles be allowed.

That should be pretty easy to find out. A condition like that is written into the deed is it not?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-02-07 02:26:24 PM
OregonVet

I assume they found documentary evidence in some form. The judge may have decided only the donors of the land had the legal right to enforce the deed restriction. If that's true ArkAngel's strategy (get a ticket) may not work.
 
2012-02-07 02:33:51 PM
The one comment, if true, "The Baggley land deal provided that it be a walking path and that's how Boise accepted it." Would probably hold water if the deal was done correctly. The other thing the cyclists are purporting is the width and whatnot of the path is consistent with other areas people can ride. My answer to that is that doesn't mean one can ride through every area like they're in the Tour de France. There should be speed zones and in congested areas the speed should probably be dismounted. Seems like a lot of people came together to make something nice for the community and some bullies are muscling in on it.
 
2012-02-07 02:45:39 PM
White people problems.
 
2012-02-07 03:01:00 PM
Walker: This country gets wackier by the day.

Bicycle dismount zone?


And, at the edges of this zone...bicycle mounting zone. And there is no way that sign would remain unvandalized.
 
2012-02-07 03:27:18 PM
Good god Idaho is a backwards place.
 
2012-02-07 03:28:32 PM
Next Year: Boise turns its greenbelt into an automobile thoroughfare, because of lack of use.
 
2012-02-07 03:30:43 PM
downstairs: White people problems.

It's not like there are any other flavors here
 
2012-02-07 03:30:57 PM
Gotta keep the loonies off the path...
 
2012-02-07 03:31:22 PM
Get on your bikes and ride!
 
2012-02-07 03:32:09 PM
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2012-02-07 03:34:14 PM
ZAZ: The Fark headline isn't accurate. It follows the common confusion of non-road path with "bicycle path." I suppose governments encourage this confusion so they can get political credit for building bike paths when in reality they built baby stroller paths.

Incidentally, bicycle paths are usually paved, and banning bicycles usually has more to do with what a park's money is spent of than ticketing enforcement. Though I suppose the most annoying thing is having people yell at you, "Hey, bikes aren't allowed here" and having to yell back at them, "I know."
 
2012-02-07 03:34:45 PM
Probably wouldn't be necessary to have a "bicycle dismount zone" if there was also a "keep your fricken dog on a leash zone" or a "speed walk in a straight line if your are wearing earbuds" zone...
 
2012-02-07 03:35:20 PM
downstairs: White people problems.

Not true, and why no helmet?
blog.oregonlive.com
 
2012-02-07 03:37:52 PM
Corect headline: Court dismisses suit to allow bicycle riding on walking path.
 
2012-02-07 03:38:28 PM
rkiller1: downstairs: White people problems.

Not true, and why no helmet?
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Half-white people problems?
 
2012-02-07 03:39:08 PM
Jealous fattie problems.
 
2012-02-07 03:47:56 PM
The United States would quickly become another Somalia without the government regulations protecting bike paths from bicyclists.
 
2012-02-07 03:51:33 PM
Why is it that you drive on a parkway and park on a driveway?

/obligatory
 
2012-02-07 03:51:40 PM
Plant potatoes. Problem solved.
 
2012-02-07 03:52:00 PM
strathmeyer: ZAZ: The Fark headline isn't accurate. It follows the common confusion of non-road path with "bicycle path." I suppose governments encourage this confusion so they can get political credit for building bike paths when in reality they built baby stroller paths.

Incidentally, bicycle paths are usually paved, and banning bicycles usually has more to do with what a park's money is spent of than ticketing enforcement. Though I suppose the most annoying thing is having people yell at you, "Hey, bikes aren't allowed here" and having to yell back at them, "I know."


Submitter here. I've walked and ridden down this particular path. Saying it's paved is being generous at best. You can't take most strollers down this thing either. The problem lies with the neighborhood behind the path being full of old and moderately wealthy busybodies. They don't want riffraff, kids or anybody having fun to come near their precious late 70's early 80's houses. For the era they were built in they are very nice homes.

The cyclists that would use this path are forced to ride on streets that scare the hell out of drivers let alone cyclists. I know, I've ridden those streets. If they were allowed to use this 1.5 mile stretch there would be a signifigant increase in people riding from the semi-wealthy suburb of Eagle into downtown Boise. But because of the attention whores in Garden City, this isn't a practical thing to do.

The Greenbelt in Boise is well set up for long commuting. I will resume doing so as soon as the weather warms up. With this 1.5 mile stretch opened back up the greenbelt will stretch for over 30 continuous miles. But no, Garden City continues to have it's institutional and irrational hatred of all things 2 wheeled.
 
2012-02-07 03:52:01 PM
What's the difference between a biker and a vacuum? The position of the dirtbag!
 
2012-02-07 03:57:31 PM
There are highly populated 'bike paths' in parts of the city center that are just as much about dog walking, roller blading, a high energy lunch walk and feeding the ducks.

People wearing their silks going 15+ mph on these is pretty stupid.

Not that that this could be handled with a 10mph speed limit in this part, except that the city could easily get speed limit happy and ruin it for road bikes on other parts of the path.
 
2012-02-07 03:57:44 PM
downstairs: White people problems.

shut up asshole
 
2012-02-07 03:58:12 PM
Smeggy Smurf: But no, Garden City continues to have it's institutional and irrational hatred of all things 2 wheeled.

I don't hate things with 2 wheels.

I do typically dislike people who utilize them, however.

/pedestrian or vehicle, decide which one you are, because you're not both
 
2012-02-07 04:02:27 PM
Knara: Smeggy Smurf: But no, Garden City continues to have it's institutional and irrational hatred of all things 2 wheeled.

I don't hate things with 2 wheels.

I do typically dislike people who utilize them, however.

/pedestrian or vehicle, decide which one you are, because you're not both


Neither, a person riding a bicycle is a bicyclist.
 
2012-02-07 04:04:09 PM
karmaceutical: Probably wouldn't be necessary to have a "bicycle dismount zone" if there was also a "keep your fricken dog on a leash zone" or a "speed walk in a straight line if your are wearing earbuds" zone...

...or a "hey, goddamit, don't throw your shiat on the ground! why do you think there is a trashcan two feet from you?" zone or a "no buttsecks in the bushes" zone or a "don't carve penises on the picnic tables" zone...
 
Ehh
2012-02-07 04:04:57 PM
Thanks for the inside scoop, Smeggy Smurf.
 
2012-02-07 04:05:07 PM
City bicyclists need to go die in a farking fire. Fark them all.
 
2012-02-07 04:05:11 PM
max_pooper: Neither, a person riding a bicycle is a bicyclist.

Bicycles are vehicles, just non-motorized ones.

/the more you know....
 
2012-02-07 04:05:58 PM
Knara: Smeggy Smurf: But no, Garden City continues to have it's institutional and irrational hatred of all things 2 wheeled.

I don't hate things with 2 wheels.

I do typically dislike people who utilize them, however.

/pedestrian or vehicle, decide which one you are, because you're not both


You sound really fat.
 
2012-02-07 04:05:58 PM
The length of the disputed path is over a mile long. How many people are actually going to walk all of that?

Let the cyclists ride, and if they hit anyone write them up for it.
 
2012-02-07 04:07:10 PM
Bicyclists around here are typically aholes. As Knara noted, they dont' obey the rules for vehicles or pedestrians, they just seem to ride wherever they want and expect everyone to watch out for them.
 
2012-02-07 04:07:45 PM
iAdmin: Knara: Smeggy Smurf: But no, Garden City continues to have it's institutional and irrational hatred of all things 2 wheeled.

I don't hate things with 2 wheels.

I do typically dislike people who utilize them, however.

/pedestrian or vehicle, decide which one you are, because you're not both

You sound really fat.


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2012-02-07 04:09:37 PM
Knara: max_pooper: Neither, a person riding a bicycle is a bicyclist.

Bicycles are vehicles, just non-motorized ones.

/the more you know....


The law may say that but it doesn't mean it's the way it should be. A 150lb person on a 30lb bike going 15 mph is in no way equivalent to a 350lb person in a 5000lb SUV going 45mph.
 
2012-02-07 04:11:56 PM
Why Would I Read the Article: City bicyclists need to go die in a farking fire. Fark them all.

I'm a city cyclist, so I'm getting a kick...

Also, you sound fat.
 
2012-02-07 04:12:07 PM
We really need to do more in this country to accommodate bikers. I'm one of those people who cannot stand when someone is riding a bicycle on the road. They slow down traffic and it's just plain dangerous. I also understand the need for them to not be allowed on paths, as they pose a danger to pedestrians. But biking is GOOD. It's good exercise and very much a viable form of transportation. There should be dedicated paths for them. It's better for everyone.
 
2012-02-07 04:12:42 PM
downstairs: White people problems.

well technically the ticket for not dismounting would be given to the driver of the bike, not the owner, so it could still be a black person problem.
 
2012-02-07 04:13:47 PM
kvinesknows: downstairs: White people problems.

well technically the ticket for not dismounting would be given to the driver of the bike, not the owner, so it could still be a black person problem.


Well played you magnificent bastard.
 
2012-02-07 04:13:48 PM
max_pooper: Knara: max_pooper: Neither, a person riding a bicycle is a bicyclist.

Bicycles are vehicles, just non-motorized ones.

/the more you know....

The law may say that but it doesn't mean it's the way it should be. A 150lb person on a 30lb bike going 15 mph is in no way equivalent to a 350lb person in a 5000lb SUV going 45mph.


Well, then they better stay off the road, but also off the sidewalk, since they're not walking.
 
2012-02-07 04:14:14 PM
OregonVet: Yeah! Another entitled bicyclist thread!

Yay another cyclist hate thread.

Why Would I Read the Article: City bicyclists need to go die in a farking fire. Fark them all.

ONOES! I bet you were two minutes late for the gym. The humanity. Here's a little ditty from the worlds smallest violin.
 
2012-02-07 04:14:49 PM
Twigz221: We really need to do more in this country to accommodate bikers. I'm one of those people who cannot stand when someone is riding a bicycle on the road. They slow down traffic and it's just plain dangerous. I also understand the need for them to not be allowed on paths, as they pose a danger to pedestrians. But biking is GOOD. It's good exercise and very much a viable form of transportation. There should be dedicated paths for them. It's better for everyone.

Sure. But until then, they're a pain in the ass.
 
2012-02-07 04:15:56 PM
ihatedumbpeople: Bicyclists around here are typically aholes. As Knara noted, they dont' obey the rules for vehicles or pedestrians, they just seem to ride wherever they want and expect everyone to watch out for them.

Maybe, and sometimes cyclists hop onto the sidewalk at "random" because someone is barreling down the road in their escalade while texting. Yes, some assholes ride bikes, but most cyclists aren't assholes.
 
2012-02-07 04:19:40 PM
Heist: ihatedumbpeople: Bicyclists around here are typically aholes. As Knara noted, they dont' obey the rules for vehicles or pedestrians, they just seem to ride wherever they want and expect everyone to watch out for them.

Maybe, and sometimes cyclists hop onto the sidewalk at "random" because someone is barreling down the road in their escalade while texting. Yes, some assholes ride bikes, but most cyclists aren't assholes.


Could have fooled me. I have never in my life seen a bicyclist bail due to a car. I do see them zip between cars, hop onto sidewalks, ride through red lights using the crosswalks, etc etc on a daily basis. Maybe if they were riding sanely, they wouldn't have to bail.

And I actually work in an area that *has* bicycle lanes.

/has seen the occasional bicyclist get pulled by a cop and given a ticket though
//makes my whole day brighter
 
2012-02-07 04:21:54 PM
Electrify: The length of the disputed path is over a mile long. How many people are actually going to walk all of that?

Let the cyclists ride, and if they hit anyone write them up for it.


Really? A mile is considered too long for people to walk?
 
2012-02-07 04:25:28 PM
Knara: Could have fooled me. I have never in my life seen a bicyclist bail due to a car.

Well I'm glad you've never seen a cyclist swerve out of your way, you must be looking out for us. Thank you, even if you do have an apparent hatred for our chosen means of transportation.
 
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