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2012-02-07 12:06:49 PM  
9 votes:
Good.

Now, can we please get the rest of the dominionist scum off the board?

Oh, no, SGK, you aren't done yet by any means. For one, you have Ari Fleischer doing damage control, but for another, you still have Jane Abraham on the board--Abraham being the head of the anti-reproductive-health dominionist group "Susan B. Anthony List" (which Sarah Palin is also a member of).

Abraham is also linked with groups that promote "crisis pregnancy centers"--that pretty much scare teenaged girls into maternity homes to supply babbies for dominionist adoption agencies (who tend not to adopt to even Catholics and other Non-Approved Abrahamic Faith Groups, much less LGBT people and atheists or members of non-Abrahamic religions).

And for all we know, there are OTHER dominionists on the board, too--SGK has been a target for steeplejack since at least 2005 (when an Army of God-linked dominionist anti-reproductive-health group organised a boycott).

Only ONCE they've THOROUGHLY cleaned house will even talking be a consideration--meanwhile, I've now added "pink ribbon" crap to my personal "boycott as a corporate funder of dominionist crap" list right next to Hobby Lobby and Chick-Fil-A. AND what little money I have that I can donate to charity gets to go to Planned Parenthood's local offices, kthx. :D

And yes, more than anything, I'm reminded (especially in the GOOD way on how "people power" is forcing positive change) of the attempted "hostile steeplejacking" of the Singaporean women's group AWARE (AWARE is basically...if you can imagine a combination of the early 60s NOW, groups that provide safe-houses and education to women who are suffering domestic abuse, and Planned Parenthood, that's a good description--they are the women's NGO in Singapore).

Much as what seems to have happened to SGK, dominionists explicitly targeted AWARE for a "hostile takeover" because the group dared to advocate for lesbian women; they took advantage of the fact the group had open voting among members for leadership to basically stuff the ballot-box to conduct the hostile takeover. This worked for about two months...up until the women of Singapore went "AW HELL NO", joined the org en masse, voted the dominionist scumbags out, cleaned house, and changed their parliamentary rules to close the loophole the dominionists used to get in. (And of note--there's evidence the dominionists who tried to "hostile steeplejack" AWARE had been planning this for the better part of a year by coordinating efforts within "cell church" (basically, the bad old 70's Maranatha-style "discipling and shepherding" groups) networks.)
2012-02-07 12:01:00 PM  
8 votes:
Things that can't spot breast cancer before it kills a woman who doesn't have health insurance:

Pink water bottles, pink sweat bands, pink shoes, pink ribbons..

Things that can:

Doctors at Planned Parenthood.
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2012-02-07 11:34:32 AM  
8 votes:

Actually important part of Karen Handel's resignation: proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Komen lied about her role. Lied. Use the word.

- NickBaumann (@NickBaumann) February 7, 2012
2012-02-07 11:34:14 AM  
8 votes:
Good. Now fire everyone on the board who voted for the rule change.Then fark off.
2012-02-07 11:30:18 AM  
7 votes:
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
2012-02-07 11:43:58 AM  
6 votes:
Dear Komen board: The reason this blew up in your face is because you forgot to run a reality check with your supporters. You know, the people who raise your money. Who gives a flying fark if "highest levels of the charity" (which are probably full of like-minded people disconnected from reality) approved this move if a majority of the people on the ground disagree? You threw yourselves right into the middle of that shaitstorm.
2012-02-07 11:04:17 AM  
6 votes:
"I openly acknowledge my role in the matter and continue to believe our decision was the best one for Komen's future and the women we serve."

Well then I'm glad you're no longer a part of the organization.
2012-02-07 02:29:31 PM  
5 votes:

PLnn: Why should a charity devoted to fight breast cancer give money to an organization that does not do breast cancer screenings, but refers them out? Shouldn't those funds go directly to the clinics performing the mammograms/screening. Isn't using Planned Parenthood as an intermediate a political statement to begin with?


You must've missed the part where, besides recommending places for screening, they subsidize most (if not all) of the cost of the screening for the person. It was one of the few ways people with low income could get a screening on the cheap.
2012-02-07 12:21:18 PM  
5 votes:

Balchinian: From a purely business standpoint, defunding PP because they are under federal investigation is a no-brainer move


Please explain why they continue to give funding to Penn State, an organization that is under federal and state investigation. I'll wait. I'm sure you'll come up with something.
2012-02-07 12:17:32 PM  
5 votes:

Glockgraduation: I think they are concerned with Planned Parenthood's ability to drum up an army of activists at the drop of a hat that hold such public sway that they effectively dictate their (SGK's) policy, and now have successfully gotten one of their executives to quit. All over something like a 650k grant. I think what SGK was afraid of was losing power over their own operations, and surprise! Their fears were proven true. They are now at the mercy of PP and their agenda.


You're either stupid or a hack. I'm guessing stupid and here's why. You actually think the backlash was done by Planned Parenthood.

If you were just a hack, you would know the backlash was done by the general public that supports planned parenthood and that (GASP), SGK is at the mercy of their donors who also support planned parenthood and women in general. If you were just a hack, you would know that but pretend like you didn't know that and pretend like it's a planned parenthood conspiracy and whatnot.

But I don't think so. I think you're really just stupid and you didn't put any thought into it and actually think Planned Parenthood orchestrated the backlash. I think that because your post comes across as serious, as in this is what you actually believe.

Teehee.
2012-02-07 12:10:51 PM  
5 votes:
Brinker, is still there though and she's just as big of a liar as Handel. She went on Andrea Mitchell, and tried to claim the reason they defunded PP was because PP didn't provide them with metrics so they could analyze the results. That was the first and last time anyone tried to use that weird explanation, so that's just bullshiat. This whole entire board has got to go.

Plus, Susan G. Komen as an organization is pure evil. They are primarily in business to provide good PR to the very companies who's carcinogenic products are the risk factors for breast cancer. Are you a large multinational corporation who's products contain BPA? Simple solution -- partner with Susan G. Komen so you can put a ribbon on your BPA tainted products.

http://news.moviefone.com/2012/02/03/pink-ribbons-breast-cancer-movi e_ n_1252824.html?ref=moviefone&just_reloaded=1 (new window)
2012-02-07 11:54:50 AM  
5 votes:

The Larch: But let's be honest for a second. The board hired an ultra-conservative jesus freak as the director of public policy. I think they knew what they were getting.


Well, they knew who they were hiring, that's for sure, but they clearly didn't realize what they were getting. And, boy, did they get it, good and hard.

But you're right. It's fairly obvious that Handel is a symptom of a deeper problem at Komen. It does make one wonder why they decided to fund PP in the first place. I guess that, at some point in the past, enough of them actually believed in their mission to overlook their personal qualms about signing up with PP.

Now that they've become a charity juggernaut, they apparently believed that they could get away with flexing some political muscle. Sadly, for them, they brought a picture of a knife to an artillery fight.
2012-02-07 11:46:11 AM  
5 votes:
I should add that this resignation letter is pretty goddamned selfish on Handel's part. Yes, she was likely pressured into resigning, which is why it didn't happen last week. Yes, the truth probably is that the rest of the board is more than complicit in the decision.

But if she really gave a shiat about the reputation of Komen and it's mission, she would have fallen on her sword and taken the blame. She was resigning anyways.
2012-02-07 11:42:16 AM  
5 votes:
I love the way she keeps insisting that the reason to defund PP was because they were "controversial".

So, let me get this straight Karen: your organization doesn't want to engage in any controversial actions, right? How, exactly, did that work out for you, and why, exactly, are you whining about being forced out because of the FARKING HUGE CONTROVERSY that you exposed your organization to?

Oh, that's right. "Controversial", in this context, means "they provide abortions". Once again, Republicans think that the rest of us don't understand their little dog whistles and code words.
2012-02-07 03:42:30 PM  
4 votes:

PLnn: Why should a charity devoted to fight breast cancer give money to an organization that does not do breast cancer screenings, but refers them out? Shouldn't those funds go directly to the clinics performing the mammograms/screening. Isn't using Planned Parenthood as an intermediate a political statement to begin with?


It is pretty clear to me that you do not have a vagina. If you did, you would know that part of your yearly pelvic examination involves a breast exam. My doctor has me lay back and lift my arm while he manipulates the fatty tissue of my breast to feel for anything "strange."

I am 24 years old and if I wanted a mammogram without a referal, I would have to pay out of pocket and beg a hospital to perform the test. Mammograms are only for women 40+ but some of the highest mortality rates of breast cancer victims are below 40, why? Because they don't get breast exams or the subsequent mammograms that older women receive.

A breast cancer screening is not a mammogram, it is a physical manipulation of the breast tissue by a trained professional. If they find a suspicious lump, they would refer you to further testing, a mammogram or biopsy depending. Most Planned Parenthood clinics are 4-6 people handing out pamphlets and talking to crying girls about chlamydia, they don't have the staff, budget, or need to have mammogram machine. In these clinics, the women are referred to a hospital with the appropriate infrastructure to handle the case at hand.
2012-02-07 03:16:50 PM  
4 votes:
Too little, too late.

Komen showed its true colors when its board didn't hesitate to adopt Handel's extremist right-wing agenda.

I will never give to that organization again as long as I live.

/just finished destroying the Komen mailing labels I've been using for years. Too bad I can't get back the $$$ I gave to that org.
2012-02-07 03:08:39 PM  
4 votes:
Handel said the now-abandoned policy was fully vetted by the Komen organization. Its board did not raise any objections when it was presented with the proposed policy in November, Handel said.

Didn't I read that at least one member of the board resigned in protest when the policy was adopted?
2012-02-07 02:14:37 PM  
4 votes:
If we truly wanted government out of religion, we should immediately stop recognizing Christmas as a federal holiday. If Christians want to celebrate their particular magical invisible homeboy's birthday, they can use personal leave. Otherwise, STFU and GBTW.
2012-02-07 12:19:21 PM  
4 votes:

Balchinian: She is being thrown under the bus because a social service organization has enough political clout to induce a charitable organization to change its policies in order to get their money. From a purely business standpoint, defunding PP because they are under federal investigation is a no-brainer move. As a charitable organization you have to keep a respectful distance from politics in order to maintain a broad base of support. That is basic and fundamental stuff as far as organizational design goes, and SGK has always done that very well. So PP gets defunded because they are under investigation, according to SGK policy, but rather than say "OK, no big deal, when the investigation is over they will support us again", they jump up, point their finger at Handel (a political figure they disagree with) and yell "ABORTION!", thus forcing SGK into the exact political situation they were trying to avoid. Abortion issues aside, that, to my mind, is political blackmail. It is a hatchet job, and they are getting away with it.


You cry moar, too, dumbass.
2012-02-07 12:17:32 PM  
4 votes:

Glockgraduation: They are now at the mercy of PP and their agenda.


Cry moar, emo conservative.
2012-02-07 12:11:08 PM  
4 votes:

IXI Jim IXI: BronyMedic: I have a feeling that Komen isn't going to get back a lot of the donations they lost over this matter. I also have a feeling that it's going to be a long,long time until they recover, from both a financhial and a PR aspect.

I'm sure someone like Hannity or Savage will come whining to their cause, bleating about how the wonderful organization was maligned for not funding baby murder or some other crap. Then the "hey, let's buy gold and emergency rations" crowd will start throwing their money at them.


Yes, but with the power of the interwebs exposing the board of SGK, and with Handel throwing them under the bus via "But, but, they wanted the PP and it's abortion machines gone long before I came along!" in her cry as a martyr letter, I think the social networking machine will gobble them up.

They think cutting off the limb will stop the bleeding, but it won't. The PP has geeks backing their cause now...and we all know geeks hate getting out of the basement to wear pink and run for a faux cause.
2012-02-07 12:10:23 PM  
4 votes:
This is what you get when you put a conservative in charge of anything.

/SGK is tainted forever as far as I'm concerned
2012-02-07 12:08:16 PM  
4 votes:
For a VP of Public Policy, she seems to be remarkably clueless about the public, policy, or how policy affects the public.
2012-02-07 12:06:51 PM  
4 votes:
TFA: "Its board did not raise any objections when it was presented with the proposed policy in November, Handel said."

And that's why I'm still of the opinion: fark you, Komen. You slipped up; we saw what was behind the curtain. It's too damn late.
2012-02-07 12:01:51 PM  
4 votes:

Glockgraduation: All politics aside, why would any board looking out for the best interests of their organization want anything to do with them?


Because you saw the backlash that occurred when PP pulled funding for their "incredibly controversial" breast cancer screenings.

They didn't get sh*t because they were involved with PP. They got sh*t because they were NO LONGER involved with PP.
2012-02-07 12:00:34 PM  
4 votes:
At the November Board meeting, the Board received a detailed review of the new model and related criteria. As you will recall, the Board specifically discussed various issues, including the need to protect our mission by ensuring we were not distracted or negatively affected by any other organization's real or perceived challenges. No objections were made to moving forward.

I am deeply disappointed by the gross mischaracterizations of the strategy, its rationale, and my involvement in it. I openly acknowledge my role in the matter and continue to believe our decision was the best one for Komen's future and the women we serve. However, the decision to update our granting model was made before I joined Komen, and the controversy related to Planned Parenthood has long been a concern to the organization. Neither the decision nor the changes themselves were based on anyone's political beliefs or ideology. Rather, both were based on Komen's mission and how to better serve women, as well as a realization of the need to distance Komen from controversy. I believe that Komen, like any other nonprofit organization, has the right and the responsibility to set criteria and highest standards for how and to whom it grants.

What was a thoughtful and thoroughly reviewed decision - one that would have indeed enabled Komen to deliver even greater community impact - has unfortunately been turned into something about politics. This is entirely untrue. This development should sadden us all greatly.


Yeah, I can't imagine that the VP for PUBLIC POLICY might be thought to be responsible for a public policy.

And she deflects by saying the decision to update the granting model was made before she was there, but that isn't the issue, is it? The issue is how they chose to update the model. She tries to say that it's about the "controversy," but changing your policy due to political pressure is a political decision. You could spend some of the money you devote to suing other groups for using the term "for the cure" to explain that PP's cancer screenings are completely separate from their family planning services. And their "update" only addressed PP. What a weird coincidence.

At worst, this decision was based on political views. At best, it was based on protecting "the brand." Either option means that poor women having free access to cancer screenings wasn't really at the top of their priority list.

And remember, this is the person whose Twitter profile lists her political views, but says nothing about her "lifesaving work" at Komen. And there's the issue of that little retweet that she deleted...

Karen Handel
@karenhandel Atlanta, GA
Lifelong Conservative Republican formerly Georgia's first Republican Secretary of State. #gapolitics


And the retweet:

JadeMorey: Just like a pro-abortion group to turn a cancer orgs decision into a political bomb to throw. Cry me a freaking river.

She'll enjoy her new gig on Fox News.
2012-02-07 11:59:09 AM  
4 votes:
Handel said in the letter that the now-abandoned policy was fully vetted by the Komen organization. Its board did not raise any objections when it was presented with the proposed policy in November, Handel said.

See, here's the thing: When your business is run as a charity/pink consumer product conglomerate, then you are kind of dependent on the public donating money to you and buying your stuff. It gives a certain, shall we say "democratic" character to the running of your organization. "But but the board of directors approved it" is not a valid defense if the decision pisses everyone off and nobody gives you money anymore.
2012-02-07 11:58:43 AM  
4 votes:
Glad to hear it. When this started blowing up, I posted a "Contact Us" message on Komen's website under one of their specified headings "Report Improper Conduct". I wrote about the fact that other organizations under federal investigation were not having their funding pulled (namely Penn State).

I really don't know if they will ever be able to salvage their reputation, even with the resignation. Too many facts about their operations (and board's agenda) have been revealed to just sweep it all under a rug.

Funny, how I'm left with one thought that still nags the shiat out of me: Watching Nancy Brinker on her response video, I realized that she was completely plastic-faced, botoxed, and lip plumped. And I wondered to myself just how much of the money I may have donated in the past went to her high-maintenance upkeep. I know I shouldn't care about it, but it still bugs me.
2012-02-07 11:57:19 AM  
4 votes:
Her resignation: I'm sorry you were offended...I'm going to fox news.
2012-02-07 11:50:41 AM  
4 votes:
I wonder if anyone out there wants to forgive the rest of the Komen board and/or senior leadership. The whole fiasco makes clear that Handel had many believers, all of whom are still in power at Komen. And all of whom approved of this funding jihad/purity test policy.

I sure won't be giving Komen any money any more, for damn sure. Neither are any of the women in my immediate family, several of whom did go on marches and did do work for Komen in the past.
2012-02-07 11:48:34 AM  
4 votes:
Her resignation letter was the most chock-full-of-epic-butthurt that I have ever seen. "None of you on the board said a single word to stop me! This is all a lib'rul conspirasee!!WAHHHHHH!!"
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2012-02-07 11:47:15 AM  
4 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: Balchinian: For the record, the policy to exclude PP from funding was in place before Handel ever got to SGK.

The more you know.

I don't believe that's correct. Do you have a citation for that?


Handel herself said so. I have absolutely no idea why you wouldn't believe her. She's a textbook example of veracity and honesty.

But let's be honest for a second. The board hired an ultra-conservative jesus freak as the director of public policy. I think they knew what they were getting.
2012-02-07 11:41:32 AM  
4 votes:

qorkfiend: Code_Archeologist: WhoIsWillo: Her resignation letter is hilarious, in a sad way

Yeah, her resignation is embarrassing in its attempt to implicate the entire board of SGK in her clumsy attempt to turn the organization into a right wing weapon against Planned Parenthood. She should be ashamed of her self, but from my experience of watching her here in Georgia, i am pretty sure that she is incapable of experiencing shame in any form.

Well, the board did sign off on her hiring in the first place.


And her views on Planned Parenthood are no secret. One might even think that's the reason they hired her.
2012-02-07 11:41:30 AM  
4 votes:
They sure do like to change their story.

Originally, they said their policy was just not fund organizations that were under investigation, and Planned Parenthood was just caught up in that by accident. (Oddly, they chose to define "under investigation" in a very narrow, non-intuitive way so that the policy only applied to Planned Parenthood, but they insisted that was just a coincidence.) Then they said that their policy on investigations was wrong. Now they're saying that their actual policy was to not fund Planned Parenthood, and the investigation stuff was just a press release excuse.

I'm so confused about all of this. Is it possible that someone isn't telling the truth?
2012-02-07 11:38:48 AM  
4 votes:

WhoIsWillo: Her resignation letter is hilarious, in a sad way: karenhandelkomen.com


"What was a thoughtful and thoroughly reviewed decision - one that would have indeed enabled Komen to deliver even greater community impact - has unfortunately been turned into something about politics. This is entirely untrue."

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2012-02-07 11:36:12 AM  
4 votes:
She is right about one thing--the move to change the rules to defund was signed off on by the board. It's too late. This will help, but the brand will never fully recover.
2012-02-07 11:35:08 AM  
4 votes:
She is going to get a job in some other Right Wing think-tank or over at Fox News, have no doubt about that.
2012-02-07 11:33:43 AM  
4 votes:
Social media has created an unbelievable force multiplier for public shaming. Seriously! Last week this woman was a former politician from Georgia and a VP-level executive in the country's largest cancer charity. Then people learned her name, her game, and her track record and now she's occupied with updating her resume.

Imagine what social conservatives could accomplish with this technology if they weren't spending their time doctoring photos of the president to manufacture outrage!
2012-02-07 11:27:04 AM  
4 votes:

WhoIsWillo: Her resignation letter is hilarious, in a sad way


Yeah, her resignation is embarrassing in its attempt to implicate the entire board of SGK in her clumsy attempt to turn the organization into a right wing weapon against Planned Parenthood. She should be ashamed of her self, but from my experience of watching her here in Georgia, i am pretty sure that she is incapable of experiencing shame in any form.
2012-02-07 10:56:32 AM  
4 votes:
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2012-02-08 09:38:29 AM  
3 votes:

NYCNative: MBooda: The My Little Pony Killer: MBooda: /financial contributor to PP for ten years until I found out what goes on during their "sessions"

I call bullshiat on both points.

/was that teenager in those "sessions"

And I'm sure they gave equal time and effort in explaining all available options before strapping you into the stirrups.

/I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it
//not Voltaire, but an amazing simulation

I will defend to the death your right to an opinion.

But if we're talking something factual, show your farking work.

If your "opinion" doesn't match the actual facts, you're a moron with an agenda and blinders on and your "opinion" is a farking lie.

However, there is lots of evidence that so-called Crisis Pregnancy Centers are perfectly willing to lie and manipulate scared pregnant women and girls - anything but let them choose an abortion even if that's what they went there for in the first place.

Unless you have similar evidence of Planned Parenthood doing suck things, kindly:

1) Find a fire.
2) Die in it.


Stopping abortion is only part of their primary goal - creating artificial orphans.

Link (new window)

While there is growing awareness of how CPCs hinder abortion access, the centers have a broader agenda that is less well known: they seek not only to induce women to "choose life" but to choose adoption, either by offering adoption services themselves... or by referring women to Christian adoption agencies. Far more than other adoption agencies, conservative Christian agencies demonstrate a pattern and history of coercing women to relinquish their children.

They aren't just helping the woman make a choice by pushing her to one option - they're farming babies for Christian families.

To be charitable and nice, I'd call that a conflict of interest.

Shotgun adoptions (new window).

Jordan was isolated in the shepherding family's house; her only social contact was with the agency, which called her a "saint" for continuing her pregnancy but asked her to consider "what's best for the baby." "They come on really prolife: look at the baby, look at its heartbeat, don't kill it. Then, once you say you won't kill it, they ask, What can you give it? You have nothing to offer, but here's a family that goes on a cruise every year."

Jordan was given scrapbooks full of letters and photos from hopeful adoptive parents hoping to stand out among the estimated 150 couples for every available baby. Today the "birthmother letters" are on Bethany's website: 500 couples who pay $14,500 to $25,500 for a domestic infant adoption, vying for mothers' attention with profuse praise of their "selflessness" and descriptions of the lifestyle they can offer.

Jordan selected a couple, and when she went into labor, they attended the birth, along with her counselor and shepherding mother. The next day, the counselor said that fully open adoptions weren't legal in South Carolina, so Jordan wouldn't receive identifying information on the adoptive parents. Jordan cried all day and didn't think she could relinquish the baby. She called her shepherding parents and asked if she could bring the baby home. They refused, chastising Jordan sharply. The counselor told the couple Jordan was having second thoughts and brought them, sobbing, into her recovery room. The counselor warned Jordan that if she persisted, she'd end up homeless and lose the baby anyway.

"My options were to leave the hospital walking, with no money," says Jordan. "Or here's a couple with Pottery Barn furniture. You sacrifice yourself, not knowing it will leave an impact on you and your child for life."

The next morning, Jordan was rushed through signing relinquishment papers by a busy, on-duty nurse serving as notary public. As soon as she'd signed, the couple left with the baby, and Jordan was taken home without being discharged. The shepherding family was celebrating and asked why Jordan wouldn't stop crying. Five days later, she used her last $50 to buy a Greyhound ticket to Greenville, where she struggled for weeks to reach a Bethany post-adoption counselor as her milk came in and she rapidly lost more than fifty pounds in her grief.

When Jordan called Bethany's statewide headquarters one night, her shepherding mother answered, responding coldly to Jordan's lament. "You're the one who spread your legs and got pregnant out of wedlock," she told Jordan. "You have no right to grieve for this baby."


Absolute farking scum working "in the Lord's name."
2012-02-08 03:17:51 AM  
3 votes:
Double mastectomy and dealing with it (heh and looking forward to perky new ones). When you are dealt a blow like breast cancer, it's good to hear from others also learning to handle it, and be glad you're alive.

This Komen crap makes me want to puke.

When Big Pink Ribbon Inc. decides to cut off (yes, pardon the pun) donations to PP and women with no insurance who are experiencing the enormous impact I have; well, my Irish temper has been boiling for a week now.

Screw you, fundies ...
2012-02-07 06:15:01 PM  
3 votes:
The gig is up Komen. Your only option is to lay low for a while and reemerge with a different name. I recommend "Blackwater."
2012-02-07 03:08:58 PM  
3 votes:

PLnn: Why should a charity devoted to fight breast cancer give money to an organization that does not do breast cancer screenings, but refers them out? Shouldn't those funds go directly to the clinics performing the mammograms/screening. Isn't using Planned Parenthood as an intermediate a political statement to begin with?


Because Planned Parenthood already has the system in place, and it's smarter to support the infrastructure that's already up and running than to build your own from the ground up that would only duplicate services anyway.

If you own a restaurant and you want to advertise, do you take out an ad in the newspaper or do you start your own newspaper and put an ad in it?
2012-02-07 03:04:14 PM  
3 votes:
Wonder how many are going to be stupid enough to believe it was solely Handel's doing, and now it is *allll better*.
2012-02-07 02:31:25 PM  
3 votes:

PLnn: Why should a charity devoted to fight breast cancer give money to an organization that does not do breast cancer screenings, but refers them out? Shouldn't those funds go directly to the clinics performing the mammograms/screening. Isn't using Planned Parenthood as an intermediate a political statement to begin with?


Because more women would get screened this way, especially poor ones.

The better question is why it matters that Planned Parenthood is the point of contact that refers the screening?
2012-02-07 01:22:43 PM  
3 votes:

STRYPERSWINE: She is bad but the government forcing Catholics to violate their conscience is good, right?


I say this as a true son of the church, born, baptised, confirmed, and having gone to twelve years of Catholic School, and counting innumerbale monks, priests, and even the odd bishop as personal friends:

Fark the Church and its conscience on this one. Imprimius: The Church's complaint about this secular rule being such an affront to its conscience would carry a lot more weight if those same concerns about its conscience had led it to reject the advice of the secular lawyers they employed who helped them cover up and then try to avoid civil liability for the pedophilia scandal, and if TO THIS DAY they weren't playing cute games with the law to continue to cover up new cases. (Such as always sending suspected pedophiles to Church run mental hospitals in different states from where they served. Why? because the Therapists may be "mandatory reporters" under the law but those laws are state laws and therefore can only force the therapist to report child abuse that occured within that state,/i>)


Secundus: 98% of Catholics are not violating thier consciences when they use birth control since they don't see anything wrong with that.

Tertius: the Church's objection to BC is based on a combination of an irresponsible, outdated, 19th century policy that is very similar to the "quiverful" movement the Duggars and others follow, and 13th Century bad science that believed that each and every sperm was a "homonculus"- a fully formed, ready to grow human being that merely needed to bake in the womb and 6th century Acesticism that believed the only proper role for sex was procreation (thus accidentally enjoying sex while making a baby was only a venal sin, but setting out to enjoy sex was a mortal sin-even for married couples)
2012-02-07 01:04:22 PM  
3 votes:

Z Rowsdower: Simple question -
At the organizational level, how is Karen Handel's abuse of power regarding Planned Parenthood any different than Obama's abuse of power forcing Catholics to use contraception?


Say, what? When did Obama pass a law forcing Catholics to use birth control? Oh wait, he didn't.
2012-02-07 12:56:15 PM  
3 votes:

Weaver95: STRYPERSWINE: She is bad but the government forcing Catholics to violate their conscience is good, right?

A true catholic would never even consider an abortion, nor would they attempt to interfere with someone who considers having one. Christ never said word one about abortion. I figure if he considered it important, he'd have mentioned it.


Oh Weaver, Christians don't bother reading the words Jesus DID say, like such as "Love thy neighbor" and "let he who is sinless cast the first stone." Why would you think they'd pay attention to the words he DIDN'T say?
2012-02-07 12:53:39 PM  
3 votes:

STRYPERSWINE: She is bad but the government forcing Catholics to violate their conscience is good, right?


A true catholic would never even consider an abortion, nor would they attempt to interfere with someone who considers having one. Christ never said word one about abortion. I figure if he considered it important, he'd have mentioned it.
2012-02-07 12:43:33 PM  
3 votes:

Dinkledort: Ah yes, and the media hit is complete. Let's just continue to ignore the fact that all she tried to, as head of a non-political charity organization, was discontinue funding for one of the most politically polarizing organizations in the country - one that doesn't even provide mammograms. Did someone mention that her decision may have in any small way been an attempt not to lose donations from evil Christians who hate all women and want them to die?


You're trolling a bit too hard to get many bites, I think, but I'll take some pity on you.

The claim that PP doesn't provide mammograms is a half-truth at best. As various PP workers have noted in previous threads, some PP facilities do, in fact, have mammograms on the facility. The rest, however, do pre-screenings and then provide referrals to mammogram facilities. Much in the same way that most general practitioners do when they refer their own patients to such facilities.

On the second point: being non-political means being politically neutral. You don't get to take a political stance and then pretend that it isn't one. That's what SGK tried to get away with and that's one of the reasons that people are especially pissed: they didn't just defund an organization that has a proven track record of screening poor women; they did so in a way that was guaranteed to insult every doner's intelligence in the process.

Clearly they did think that they would make up for lost donation from that silent Christian minority that you guys like to fantasize about. The problem, however, is that the actual number of pro-lifers that weren't donating because of their ties to PP were dwarfed by the number of people who didn't have a problem with Komen's funding, before this all started.

It was their decision to engage in a controversial policy change that invited their current woes. Their donor base wasn't polarized before this started, but it sure as hell is now. If their goal was to avoid controversy, they did it in the exact same way that a pyromaniac avoids fire.
2012-02-07 12:33:21 PM  
3 votes:

Balchinian: Mike Chewbacca: Balchinian: For the record, the policy to exclude PP from funding was in place before Handel ever got to SGK.

The more you know.

I don't believe that's correct. Do you have a citation for that?

Komen Founder and CEO Nancy G. Brinker, in an interview with MSNBC last week, said Handel didn't have a significant role in the policy change.
And in Handel's resignation letter she mentions that discussions to defund PP because they were under federal investigation (not because of abortion issues) had already been held, and that it was an automatically done deal because of standing Komen policy to distance itself via defunding from controversies like federal investigations. (I am paraphrasing.) When she arrived, she strongly supported the defunding move because it happened to be in line with her personal beliefs, but neither Handel nor the abortion issue had anything to do with the actual decision.

She is being thrown under the bus because a social service organization has enough political clout to induce a charitable organization to change its policies in order to get their money. From a purely business standpoint, defunding PP because they are under federal investigation is a no-brainer move. As a charitable organization you have to keep a respectful distance from politics in order to maintain a broad base of support. That is basic and fundamental stuff as far as organizational design goes, and SGK has always done that very well. So PP gets defunded because they are under investigation, according to SGK policy, but rather than say "OK, no big deal, when the investigation is over they will support us again", they jump up, point their finger at Handel (a political figure they disagree with) and yell "ABORTION!", thus forcing SGK into the exact political situation they were trying to avoid. Abortion issues aside, that, to my mind, is political blackmail. It is a hatchet job, and they are getting away with it.



Here's the problem... In the same MSNBC interview you cite, Brinker kept changing her story as to why Komen will no longer fund Planned Parenthood. First it was because they were under investigation, and after Mitchell busted her on her bullshiat, she changed her story to the fact that they don't provide them with enough "metrics." and after that was busted, she then changed her story to the fact that planned parenthood is a "pass-through" organization. She had to change her lie 3 times in the same interview! You're relying on the words of liars. this was political from the first second. And as Minsch said, there is now a memo that has surfaced that indicates Handel to be the main pusher of the Planned Parenthood defunding strategy.
2012-02-07 12:31:24 PM  
3 votes:
Nice attempt at damage control but this organization has already revealed itself to be a bunch of anti-women's health, homophobic (a big issue since rates of breast cancer are higher in lesbians), stem cell research-opposing douchebags who are more interested in playing politics than saving women's lives.

GTFO Komen
2012-02-07 12:23:23 PM  
3 votes:

lennavan: cameroncrazy1984: Balchinian: From a purely business standpoint, defunding PP because they are under federal investigation is a no-brainer move

Please explain why they continue to give funding to Penn State, an organization that is under federal and state investigation. I'll wait. I'm sure you'll come up with something.

Balchinian, I'm also interested in this explanation.


Becaise they don't abort babies...duh
2012-02-07 12:22:25 PM  
3 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Balchinian: From a purely business standpoint, defunding PP because they are under federal investigation is a no-brainer move

Please explain why they continue to give funding to Penn State, an organization that is under federal and state investigation. I'll wait. I'm sure you'll come up with something.


Balchinian, I'm also interested in this explanation.
2012-02-07 12:22:12 PM  
3 votes:

FinFangFark: Yes, but with the power of the interwebs exposing the board of SGK,


Ok...just remember. Republican party. The party of family values that is toying with nominating Newt Gingrich.
2012-02-07 12:22:03 PM  
3 votes:

Glockgraduation: Generation_D: Glockgraduation: Planned Parenthood is a lightning rod for controversy. They are always involved in all sorts of litigation and just mentioning their name is sure to get you into some sort of fight at the dinner table. All politics aside, why would any board looking out for the best interests of their organization want anything to do with them?

Uh, because both organizations work to prevent breast cancer? Atleast one does.

Are you insinuating that because they wanted to withdraw a 650k grant from Planned Parenthood that they no longer are in the business of preventing breast cancer? This is a 400 million dollar organization.


Nobody is insinuating that. They're outright saying it. It was a pure political move, nothing to do with helping women or preventing/curing breast cancer.
2012-02-07 12:20:59 PM  
3 votes:

ChiefBoss: Wait, I though the CEO said in an interview that Handel had nothing to do with the Planned Parenthood decision? So she lied?


I can't wait for the spin. This PR disaster ain't over yet.
2012-02-07 12:20:36 PM  
3 votes:

Balchinian: Balchinian: Mike Chewbacca: Balchinian: For the record, the policy to exclude PP from funding was in place before Handel ever got to SGK.

The more you know.

I don't believe that's correct. Do you have a citation for that?

Komen Founder and CEO Nancy G. Brinker, in an interview with MSNBC last week, said Handel didn't have a significant role in the policy change.
And in Handel's resignation letter she mentions that discussions to defund PP because they were under federal investigation (not because of abortion issues) had already been held before she got there*, and that it was an automatically done deal because of standing Komen policy to distance itself via defunding from controversies like federal investigations. (I am paraphrasing.) When she arrived, she strongly supported the defunding move because it happened to be in line with her personal beliefs, but neither Handel nor the abortion issue had anything to do with the actual decision.

She is being thrown under the bus because a social service organization has enough political clout to induce a charitable organization to change its policies in order to get their money. From a purely business standpoint, defunding PP because they are under federal investigation is a no-brainer move. As a charitable organization you have to keep a respectful distance from politics in order to maintain a broad base of support. That is basic and fundamental stuff as far as organizational design goes, and SGK has always done that very well. So PP gets defunded because they are under investigation, according to SGK policy, but rather than say "OK, no big deal, when the investigation is over they will support us again", they jump up, point their finger at Handel (a political figure they disagree with) and yell "ABORTION!", thus forcing SGK into the exact political situation they were trying to avoid. Abortion issues aside, that, to my mind, is political blackmail. It is a hatchet job, and they are getting away with it.

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That's nice, but do you have a link that shows that policy was in place before Handel was hired?
2012-02-07 12:18:26 PM  
3 votes:

Glockgraduation: I think they are concerned with Planned Parenthood's ability to drum up an army of activists at the drop of a hat that hold such public sway that they effectively dictate their (SGK's) policy, and now have successfully gotten one of their executives to quit. All over something like a 650k grant. I think what SGK was afraid of was losing power over their own operations, and surprise! Their fears were proven true. They are now at the mercy of PP and their agenda.


Oh, please!

That "army of activists" is otherwise known as Komen's donors, who have every right to have an interest in who Komen funds and how they make their funding decisions. And all of the controversy was entirely self-inflicted.

And I'm kind of surprised that you're really going to stick with the claim that this was only about PP being "controversial" and that it had nothing to do with the fact that Komen's board has attracted a lot of anti-abortionists. Absolutely no one is buying this latest spin.

Get another talking point. I'm sure if you wait 15 seconds, another one will be coming down the pike for you to try out.
2012-02-07 12:18:17 PM  
3 votes:
Wait, I though the CEO said in an interview that Handel had nothing to do with the Planned Parenthood decision? So she lied?
2012-02-07 12:17:15 PM  
3 votes:
My take-away from her letter is, "They hired me because they were already planning to dump Planned Parenthood. After I'm gone, the people who wanted to dump Planned Parenthood will still be there."
2012-02-07 12:11:37 PM  
3 votes:

IXI Jim IXI: I'm sure someone like Hannity or Savage will come whining to their cause, bleating about how the wonderful organization was maligned for not funding baby murder or some other crap. Then the "hey, let's buy gold and emergency rations" crowd will start throwing their money at them.


If they had stuck with their plan, that could have been an option, but they did the one thing that conservatives find absolutely unforgivable: they flip-flopped. By reinstating the PP funding, they've sent a message to conservatives that they are more concerned about their own reputation than in fighting against abortion providers.

So, basically, they've thoroughly pissed off two diametric sets of doners, neither of whom are going to be inclined to trust SGK with their money again.

Well done, morons. Well done.
2012-02-07 12:10:50 PM  
3 votes:

theorellior: For a VP of Public Policy, she seems to be remarkably clueless about the public, policy, or how policy affects the public.


And therein lay part of the reason why she's a failed politician.

I mean, seriously. How inept do you have to be in her political shoes?
2012-02-07 12:04:11 PM  
3 votes:

Glockgraduation: Planned Parenthood is a lightning rod for controversy. They are always involved in all sorts of litigation and just mentioning their name is sure to get you into some sort of fight at the dinner table. All politics aside, why would any board looking out for the best interests of their organization want anything to do with them?


Because your mission is about fighting breast cancer and one of the things that PP does is provide massive amounts of pre-screenings to poor women.

Are you concerned about politics and controversy, or are you concerned about actually helping women avoid cancer?

Choose one.
2012-02-07 12:01:41 PM  
3 votes:
The fact that she was not fired outright means that I will never donate to Komen again.
2012-02-07 11:57:20 AM  
3 votes:

FuturePastNow: Also, I note that her "apology" was of the "sorry you were offended" variety. How predictable.


Yeah, her letter is "bbbut they all agreed with me!" Which if true just means her leaving the organization doesn't fix the problem, which means I still won't be donating to SGK any time soon.
2012-02-07 11:56:26 AM  
3 votes:

Bag of Hammers: So when does her FoxNews Talk show start?


She's too fat for Fox. And not blonde. Not being mean, just stating a fact.
2012-02-07 11:37:33 AM  
3 votes:

Gwendolyn: "I openly acknowledge my role in the matter and continue to believe our decision was the best one for Komen's future and the women we serve."

Well then I'm glad you're no longer a part of the organization.


If you read the entire thing it's the basic Republican "taking responsibility statement" where they say "I take full responsibility... but it was everyone else's fault!"
2012-02-08 04:14:19 PM  
2 votes:
Too little, too late. I'm never supporting Komen for a Cure again, and I used to support them when I had money to give, and still do.

For example I found a $20 bill on the street in Harvard Square last week and sent it to Planned Parenthood as a charitable donation.

Anyone to takes a viable non-profit that does legitimate good and turns it into a platform for hate and venom needs to be burned alive. I hope she burns in obscurity. The sad thing is she'll go back to the Mouth-breather South and be treated like a farking hero.
2012-02-08 09:14:11 AM  
2 votes:

Balchinian: Sorry for the delay, I had to run into town for a bit.

OK, Yes Brinker was flipflopping in the interview, but given the contents of Handel's letter I decided that the testimony of two people who were open to being identified were more credible than some nameless HuffPo source. (It is HuffPo, remember.) The second reason I give it credibility is that it is simply makes more sense for it to have happened the way the two SGK people say it did.


"Nameless sources" are often the only way we can get information. As we know, Komen pays people quite well, and job security is usually an important factor in whether or not someone will leak information.

But to your second reason...how does it make "more sense" that the VP FOR PUBLIC POLICY had absolutely NO involvement in a decision regarding public policy?

Either she was just a figurehead VP who was making six-figures at a charity (which really reflects negatively on Komen), or she was directly involved in this decision.

Link (new window)

"Emails between Komen leadership on the day the Planned Parenthood decision was announced, which were reviewed by HuffPost under the condition they not be published, confirm the source's description of Handel's sole "authority" in crafting and implementing the Planned Parenthood policy."

Are you saying that HuffPo flat-out lied about having emails in their possession?

If so, you're setting a pretty high farking standard for future newsworthy events. If someone has to be on camera with a "smoking gun," Nixon would be one of our most revered presidents.

But really, what does make more sense?

1. SGK has been forthright and honest - Handel had nothing to do with the decision, which was in no way political.

2. Handel, who wrote the below section during her gubernatorial campaign, joined Komen with an agenda, and then pushed that agenda as soon as she could.

First, let me be clear, since I am pro-life, I do not support the mission of Planned Parenthood. During my time as Chairman of Fulton County, there were federal and state pass-through grants that were awarded to Planned Parenthood for breast and cervical cancer screening, as well as a "Healthy Babies Initiative." The grant was authorized, regulated, administered and distributed through the State of Georgia. Because of the criteria, regulations and parameters of the grant, Planned Parenthood was the only eligible vendor approved to meet the state criteria. Additionally, none of the services in any way involved abortions or abortion-related services. In fact, state and federal law prohibits the use of taxpayer funds for abortions or abortion related services and I strongly support those laws. Since grants like these are from the state I'll eliminate them as your next Governor.

Nah, it makes total sense for someone with the above views to be a VP FOR PUBLIC POLICY, then take a hands-off approach when it came to the group's public policy with regards to Planned Parenthood.
2012-02-08 03:27:49 AM  
2 votes:
Oh, and fark you, Karen Handel, you sanctimonious, judgemental, self-righteous lying sack of shiat
2012-02-08 02:13:53 AM  
2 votes:

saintstryfe: Great Porn Dragon: Only ONCE they've THOROUGHLY cleaned house will even talking be a consideration--meanwhile, I've now added "pink ribbon" crap to my personal "boycott as a corporate funder of dominionist crap" list right next to Hobby Lobby and Chick-Fil-A. AND what little money I have that I can donate to charity gets to go to Planned Parenthood's local offices, kthx. :D

Waaaaiit.... Hobby Lobby? How and why?


I didn't mind that they closed on Sundays (it's not like there aren't half a dozen other craft/hobby stores around). that combined with the Jesus music and copious amount of Jesus-themed merch compared to their competitors got me wondering. also, the fact that they don't use barcode scanners was kind of a red flag. I googled and came up with basically the same stuff Great Porn Dragon posted.

creepy. I can get craft supplies plenty of other places.
2012-02-08 01:30:55 AM  
2 votes:

MBooda: The My Little Pony Killer: MBooda: /financial contributor to PP for ten years until I found out what goes on during their "sessions"

I call bullshiat on both points.

/was that teenager in those "sessions"

And I'm sure they gave equal time and effort in explaining all available options before strapping you into the stirrups.

/I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it
//not Voltaire, but an amazing simulation


I will defend to the death your right to an opinion.

But if we're talking something factual, show your farking work.

If your "opinion" doesn't match the actual facts, you're a moron with an agenda and blinders on and your "opinion" is a farking lie.

However, there is lots of evidence that so-called Crisis Pregnancy Centers are perfectly willing to lie and manipulate scared pregnant women and girls - anything but let them choose an abortion even if that's what they went there for in the first place.

Unless you have similar evidence of Planned Parenthood doing suck things, kindly:

1) Find a fire.
2) Die in it.
2012-02-07 10:14:35 PM  
2 votes:
I hadn't been following this story until now that I find out that Karen Handel was the VP for the organization. She is one of those through and through "lie at all costs to get yourself up the political ladder" conservative. She had gave her support to the Log Cabin Republicans and domestic partnership when she was the Chairman of the Fulton County Board of Commissioners. The county Atlanta is in and obviously the most gay friendly county in the state.

It wasn't until she ran for the Republican candidacy for Governor in 2010 when she did an about face on her stance on gays when it was brought up by her opponents who brow beat her on it. She denied her support and backpedaled so fast she almost broke her legs. She's also responsible for the voter ID law in Georgia.

So what I'm saying is that all of this backlash couldn't happen to a nicer person.
2012-02-07 09:03:10 PM  
2 votes:
Too little too late. I can't forget that the board hired her and only fired her after she created the shiatstorm
2012-02-07 08:08:20 PM  
2 votes:

sigdiamond2000: ...and a martyr was born.


I smell Surgeon General in the Palin administration.
2012-02-07 08:07:06 PM  
2 votes:

Silverstaff: Why do you think that any time people get upset and do something, some shadowy group somewhere is organizing it? It's like the right-wingers who blame everything on ACORN, or think that George Soros secretly leads the Occupy movement, and now thinking that Planned Parenthood commands vast legions of people who send their money where they tell them to.


I wonder why the people who seem to think this don't wonder why PP doesn't just have it's vast army of minions send the money to them directly.
2012-02-07 06:44:18 PM  
2 votes:

Balchinian:
Either way, the fact that a public social service entity has enough political power to influence where a private organization's money goes is a scary and dangerous thing, and that was really the whole point.


Let me explain this in nice, simple terms for you.

SGK is a charity. They are a popular one. They get a lot of money from the public via donations. They give some of this money to Planned Parenthood. They do this because PP provides breast cancer screenings.

Planned Parenthood was publicly funded by a Republican, Richard Nixon, who pushed for Federal funding for it because it would provide healthcare to low-income women. Planned Parenthood is unpopular with anti-choice types because anti-choice people want to regulate what kinds of gynecological treatment people can receive.

Abortion is only about 3% of the services they provide. About 70% of their services relate to contraceptive services (such as birth control pill prescriptions) and STD services (such as HIV testing, providing treatment for easily treatable STD's like chlamydia)

SGK decided to get political, and suspend support for PP over something completely unrelated to their sole cause of treating/preventing/curing breast cancer. SGK never before had made any policy decisions based on pro or anti-choice beliefs, they were an apolitical organization. . .then they threw that away.

People who support SGK felt offended by this. People donate to SGK for breast cancer issues, not because of anything pro or anti choice. SGK took the issue into being political. Pro-choice women, of which about 49% of the country calls themselves according to a recent Gallup Poll Link (new window) felt offended by this, and chose to not to donate to SGK because SGK no longer represented their beliefs.

It was NOT Planned Parenthood somehow ordering people to attack SGK.

Why do you think that any time people get upset and do something, some shadowy group somewhere is organizing it? It's like the right-wingers who blame everything on ACORN, or think that George Soros secretly leads the Occupy movement, and now thinking that Planned Parenthood commands vast legions of people who send their money where they tell them to.
2012-02-07 06:24:15 PM  
2 votes:
The ignorance that allows them to come to these conclusions is the same ignorance that gives them the confidence to believe them absolutely and have zero qualms about forcing them upon others.


It's a systemic problem caused by mysticism and poor education. The political implications don't make this any less troubling.

I wish these people well, but hope that they will get better.
2012-02-07 06:02:02 PM  
2 votes:
"I openly acknowledge my role in the matter and continue to believe our decision was the best one for Komen's future and the women we serve." - Karen Handel

SGK should support all women regardless of race, creed, color, or net worth. Karen, if you claim to be a Christian you should know that forcing others to do as you believe is not what Jesus preached. Love and forgiveness, Karen. Love and forgiveness.

/I forgive you for your evil attempt to force your views on others. You don't have to go away mad, just go away.
2012-02-07 05:49:59 PM  
2 votes:
Odd...this doesn't mesh with her statement at all...

On Sunday, the Huffington Post quoted an anonymous "Komen insider" as saying Handel was behind the decision, as well as an attempt to make it look nonpolitical.

The strategy, according to the online publication, involved drafting new guidelines preventing Komen from funding any organization under investigation by local, state or federal authorities. In September, the House Committee on Energy and Commerce began an investigation into Planned Parenthood over the organization's "compliance with federal restrictions on funding abortions."

"Karen Handel was the prime instigator of this effort, and she herself personally came up with investigation criteria," the source told the Huffington Post. "She said, 'If we just say it's about investigations, we can defund Planned Parenthood and no one can blame us for being political.'"

"I can tell you that the e-mails show that Karen Handel was behind the entire decision to defund Planned Parenthood," Laura Bassett, Huffington Post political reporter, told CNN Monday. "She was behind the strategy to develop the new criteria for who can be funded. And she's been behind the PR effort to clean up what's happened since the decision was announced."
2012-02-07 05:28:00 PM  
2 votes:

Balchinian: Either way, the fact that a public social service entity has enough political power to influence where a private organization's money goes is a scary and dangerous thing, and that was really the whole point.


Here's the thing: Planned Parenthood does not have "political" power. Evidently it has grassroots power. You may conflate the two, but it's not quite the same thing. And, I hate to say it, who are you to tell donors where there money goes? If they think that SGK has taken a political stance on PP, then they are fully within their rights to decide to donate elsewhere.
2012-02-07 05:15:47 PM  
2 votes:

Balchinian: Either way, the fact that a public social service entity has enough political power to influence where a private organization's money goes is a scary and dangerous thing, and that was really the whole point


No you moran, the American public has enough power to influence where a private organization's money goes, especially since a percentage of that money comes from the public. You cut support to PP, we cut support to you.
2012-02-07 04:48:29 PM  
2 votes:

Balchinian: As to the question of why SGK gives money to PSU, you would have to ask them that. I have nothing to do with SGK or their operations, I only know what I read in the papers and that is obviously spun to the extent that deriving the truth is not necessarily an easy matter.


So...you're blaming the liberal media for SGK donating to PSU?

How profound.

Balchinian: Finally, how it happened that I became labelled a "right-winger" simply for reiterating something that someone else wrote says a lot about the credibility and validity of what gets written in these threads.


You probably got labeled a right winger for saying retarded right winger things.
2012-02-07 04:31:49 PM  
2 votes:

Magorn: STRYPERSWINE: She is bad but the government forcing Catholics to violate their conscience is good, right?

I say this as a true son of the church, born, baptised, confirmed, and having gone to twelve years of Catholic School, and counting innumerbale monks, priests, and even the odd bishop as personal friends:

Fark the Church and its conscience on this one. Imprimius: The Church's complaint about this secular rule being such an affront to its conscience would carry a lot more weight if those same concerns about its conscience had led it to reject the advice of the secular lawyers they employed who helped them cover up and then try to avoid civil liability for the pedophilia scandal, and if TO THIS DAY they weren't playing cute games with the law to continue to cover up new cases. (Such as always sending suspected pedophiles to Church run mental hospitals in different states from where they served. Why? because the Therapists may be "mandatory reporters" under the law but those laws are state laws and therefore can only force the therapist to report child abuse that occured within that state,/i>)


Secundus: 98% of Catholics are not violating thier consciences when they use birth control since they don't see anything wrong with that.

Tertius: the Church's objection to BC is based on a combination of an irresponsible, outdated, 19th century policy that is very similar to the "quiverful" movement the Duggars and others follow, and 13th Century bad science that believed that each and every sperm was a "homonculus"- a fully formed, ready to grow human being that merely needed to bake in the womb and 6th century Acesticism that believed the only proper role for sex was procreation (thus accidentally enjoying sex while making a baby was only a venal sin, but setting out to enjoy sex was a mortal sin-even for married couples)


You know what? Catholics have every right to worship however they want. They do not have the right, however, to run a fake college, or a fake hospital, that doesn't provide basic health services. Religious freedom does not me special cost cutting rules specifically for you. That's crony capitalism at it's finest. Should we allow hospitals and universities for Jehovah's Witnesses to not allow cover blood transfusions? Could you even call a hospital that does that a hospital?
2012-02-07 04:27:03 PM  
2 votes:

Bullseyed: Why exactly is this news? How is it anyone's business what a private charity decides to do with their money?


Well, gee, it's not like that question hasn't been raised and answered about a dozen times in this thread alone, but here we go again:

If you are donating money to an organization like Komen, it is absolutely your business to know how they are spending your money, and you have every right to withhold your donations if you don't approve of how they conduct business.

Tell me that you're just repeating a talking point and that you aren't actually so thick that you couldn't figure out that basic principle by yourself.
2012-02-07 04:17:51 PM  
2 votes:
Good job, men and women. We have brought this organization to its knees in under a week.

Just like we did to Bank of America and it's fees.

Just like we did to Netflix.

And now we've done it to Komen. All without firing a single shot. Gandhi and MLK would be proud of the immense power we can wield using the internet and voting with our feet and our mouse clicks, entirely non-violently.

With a free (read: non-SOPA Great Firewall of China-like) internet, we can continue doing this to any government or private organization we want to. They want to play games and we will bring them to their knees.
2012-02-07 04:17:19 PM  
2 votes:
Very interesting to me that she refused her severance package. Severances are usually tied to non-disclosure agreements. I expect we'll be hearing more from Ms. Handel.
2012-02-07 04:12:59 PM  
2 votes:

STRYPERSWINE: She is bad but the government forcing Catholics to violate their conscience is good, right?


That would be true if Obama's new rule covered Catholic Churches. But it does not. All churches (including Catholic churches) have an exemption to the new healthcare provisions.

If, on the other hand, a church wants to create a business on the side, that business has to conform to the laws of the land. But the church itself does not.

I don't like Obama or his healthcare plan, but when people pretend that this effects churches, they are either being disingenuous, they have been ill informed, or they are idiots.
2012-02-07 03:55:20 PM  
2 votes:

Bullseyed: How is it anyone's business what a private charity decides to do with their money?


Because the people that gave their hard-earned money might just want to know that the charity has changed what that money will be used for (after they've already received it).

Bullseyed: Why is a breast cancer charity funding a politically motivated agency to begin with?


PP is only a "politically motivated agency" if you believe that charity funded health care is political.

I'll stop responding to you now, you sound like too much of a cock-smoker to understand written responses.
2012-02-07 03:29:58 PM  
2 votes:
T'was once a biatch named Karen Handel
Who loved being part of a scandal
She took funds from the sick
Sold pink guns for a kick
Now she seeks a new team to mishandle
2012-02-07 03:09:50 PM  
2 votes:
FTFA:Karen Handel, the charity's vice president for public policy, said in her resignation later she was "deeply disappointed by the gross mischaracterizations of the strategy, its rationale, and her involvement."

well, ain't that a biatch. this makes me even happier about the donation i made to planned parenthood last week.

/they really do great work.
2012-02-07 03:01:41 PM  
2 votes:

PLnn: Why should a charity devoted to fight breast cancer give money to an organization that does not do breast cancer screenings, but refers them out? Shouldn't those funds go directly to the clinics performing the mammograms/screening. Isn't using Planned Parenthood as an intermediate a political statement to begin with?


Sure, why not. Let's send all those funds right to the clinics.

Of course you do know that those clinics aren't walk-ins, right?

You do know that you need a referral/scrip for mammograms, and that they have to be written by a licensed professional, and that those professionals usually require payment?

An uninsured woman who thinks she might have a lump simply has no access to those clinics. PP's doctors will do a screening to see if a mammogram is needful, make the referrals, and frequently handle everything so that their partner clinics get those mammograms paid for through those same Komen grants.

How are you proposing that all those women who were referred through PP previously now get any services at all through those clinics now?

Let alone all the women who never even considered they might have a lump that needed to be checked out until the only provider they could afford (PP) brought it to their attention.
2012-02-07 02:52:06 PM  
2 votes:
blogs.ajc.com

It doesn't matter. He's IN.

And once he's IN, I think you'll find it very difficult to get him OUT.
2012-02-07 02:31:20 PM  
2 votes:

PLnn: Why should a charity devoted to fight breast cancer give money to an organization that does not do breast cancer screenings, but refers them out? Shouldn't those funds go directly to the clinics performing the mammograms/screening. Isn't using Planned Parenthood as an intermediate a political statement to begin with?


Also, mammograms are breast screenings, but not all breast screenings are mammograms.
2012-02-07 02:07:04 PM  
2 votes:
So who is this "responsibility republican" blaming for her failure.

/ remember poor people are poor cause they aren't responsible
2012-02-07 02:03:45 PM  
2 votes:
BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Cry me a river Karen

BWAHAHAHAHAHA
2012-02-07 01:13:38 PM  
2 votes:

IronOcelot: They seem to be convinced that ShariaLawAtheistIslamoCommie Bots are going to be running amok ripping babies straight from women's wombs to make fetus meat sammiches.


That kind of hysterical hyperbole would be rather amusing if a significant portion of this country didn't believe it was Gospel Truth.
2012-02-07 01:07:21 PM  
2 votes:

Glockgraduation: Here's what I think.


Tragedy, you posted an honest reply. I guess this is where I apologize for being a dick in my previous post, since an honest discussion might ensue.

Glockgraduation: I'm bothered by how their most vocal supporters have effectively made it so that anyone who questions the way they do things is branded anti women's health, or some sort of right wing extremist


You have an interesting definition for the phrase "anyone who questions." So far I've seen the federal government try to pull all funding or shut them down entirely and I've seen SGK pull all of their funding. That's significantly different and worse than simply "questioning the way they do things" right?

So do you have an actual example of anyone who is simply questioning the way they are doing things? And can demonstrate how someone who simply questioned the way they did things was labeled as anti-women's health/right wing extremist?

Glockgraduation: yet when SGK wants to reconsider 650k in funding everyone goes into hysterics


For context, people have hated SGK long before this. There's even a documentary chastising it long in the works. Link (new window) You make it sound like the hatred is so sudden.

SGK wants to reconsider? You mean pull entirely. They pulled the funding entirely. They didn't question PP, they didn't want to know more, they simply pulled it. So thus far, I think you've portrayed the argument in a very dishonest manner.

Glockgraduation: SGK has said it wasn't politically motivated, and maybe they are full of shiat


They are and that's the point. Yes people like PP but it's not about PP, it's about political motivation in a breast cancer charity. People don't want a breast cancer charity to use their donated money to push a political agenda. Shock and dismay, they want a breast cancer charity to help fight breast cancer.

Glockgraduation: because I think that's what SGK wanted in the first place: to distance themselves from the politics of PP. PP is under government investigation


The football program at Penn state systematically raped and subsequently covered up the rape of many children. Penn State is under federal investigation. SGK gave 7.5 million to Penn State and hasn't pulled that yet. How do you explain that, without concluding it's politically motivated? The only thing I can think of is to think that raping boys is significantly better than providing abortions or something because if they are anywhere near in comparison, SGK should have pulled Penn State funding.

Glockgraduation: that's the line people who argue against govt. funding of PP say as well: Politics has no place in health care.


I don't recall a single person ever in the history of the world saying that. I might be off by one or two people but not much more than that. The line arguing against it was government has no business funding abortions and part of what PP does is abortions.
2012-02-07 01:07:00 PM  
2 votes:

Glockgraduation: C'mon, just a quick wikipedia shows that they put 280 million last fiscal year towards research, education, screening and treatment. They've given 2 billion towards prevention since they were formed. Saying they have nothing to do with helping women anymore is a bit rich.


If the only way to help women was to donate to Komen, I'd swallow my bile and continue donating to them. However, there are plenty of other options, which all amount to bypassing the SGK middleman and donating directly to those organizations that are doing the work. Indeed, it seems so obvious, now, that I wonder why we weren't doing that in the first place.

You guys need to stop pretending that this is some sort of zero-sum game where we either give money to Komen or we cut off funding to cancer research entirely. Since that's not the case, I see no reason that I should choose not to provide money to an organization that's opted to play political games with my money.
2012-02-07 12:55:10 PM  
2 votes:

vernonFL: I support curing breast cancer by putting a pink ribbon on my car.

Its right next to the yellow ribbon that shows my support for our troops!


Hey, I'm going to show my support for the troops and the boobies by updated by Facebook status!

/farking hate those AWs who post those stupid "if you support _____________ copy and paste this as your own status!" messages.
//if you really hated child abuse, you'd donate some money instead of posting a useless FB status update.
2012-02-07 12:53:24 PM  
2 votes:

STRYPERSWINE: She is bad but the government forcing Catholics to violate their conscience is good, right?


Nobody wants to force anyone to get or fund an abortion, you stupid twat.
2012-02-07 12:42:15 PM  
2 votes:

Dinkledort: Ah yes, and the media hit is complete. Let's just continue to ignore the fact that all she tried to, as head of a non-political charity organization, was discontinue funding for one of the most politically polarizing organizations in the country - one that doesn't even provide mammograms. Did someone mention that her decision may have in any small way been an attempt not to lose donations from evil Christians who hate all women and want them to die? Well then her disgraced resignation is not nearly enough. Let's all cross our fingers and hope she DIAF. That'll learn her or anyone to not give money to the leading provider of abortions in the country, a procedure that a large percentage of Americans truly believe is murder.


Hey I know you're late to the party but the conservative talking point is that Handel had nothing to do with the policy and she's being thrown under the bus. Now you are saying Handel was instrumental in trying to push the Planned Parenthood defunding? You should probably get a bit more organized with your right-wing buddy, Balchinian.
2012-02-07 12:30:07 PM  
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Balchinian: From a purely business standpoint, defunding PP because they are under federal investigation is a no-brainer move

Please explain why they continue to give funding to Penn State, an organization that is under federal and state investigation. I'll wait. I'm sure you'll come up with something.


And more importantly Pedo State is under criminal investigation, not an inquiry drummed up by a political hack in Congress.

/ Yes that last part is redundant
2012-02-07 12:25:32 PM  
2 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: This is what you get when you put a conservative ideologue in charge of anything.

/SGK is tainted forever as far as I'm concerned


This isn't a "both sides are bad, vote republican" statement either. I identify as a liberal Dem. The issue is someone coming in and forcing their ideology into a situation that wasn't otherwise political or ideological. That happens WAY more on the conservative side than the liberal side, just by virtue that liberals tend to be less authoritarian in their views and conservatives tend to hold blindly to their convictions. But it does happen with both.
2012-02-07 12:25:04 PM  
2 votes:
Handel said a good "brand" can survive the kind of negative publicity SGK received when she pushed to cut ties with PP. And yet Handel was kicked out in the wake of the backlash. So what does that say about Handel as a "brand"?
2012-02-07 12:22:47 PM  
2 votes:

Balchinian: As a charitable organization you have to keep a respectful distance from politics in order to maintain a broad base of support. That is basic and fundamental stuff as far as organizational design goes, and SGK has always done that very well. So PP gets defunded because they are under investigation, according to SGK policy, but rather than say "OK, no big deal, when the investigation is over they will support us again", they jump up, point their finger at Handel (a political figure they disagree with) and yell "ABORTION!", thus forcing SGK into the exact political situation they were trying to avoid. Abortion issues aside, that, to my mind, is political blackmail. It is a hatchet job, and they are getting away with it.

It no longer surprises me that they are under federal investigation, but I would be very surprised if anything came of it. Any group with enough political clout to do what they have done with SGK is not going to need to worry about a pesky little federal investigation.


Handel was the one who pushed for the change to SGK policy to defund groups under investigation.

Emails between Komen leadership on the day the Planned Parenthood decision was announced, which were reviewed by HuffPost under the condition they not be published, confirm the source's description of Handel's sole "authority" in crafting and implementing the Planned Parenthood policy.

Handel's strategy to cut off Planned Parenthood involved drafting new guidelines that would prevent Komen from funding any organization that was under investigation by local, state or federal authorities. Since Planned Parenthood is currently the target of a congressional inquiry prompted by House Republicans into the way it uses government funds, the family planning provider would have been immediately disqualified from receiving new Komen grants.

After the initial uproar when news of the decision broke, the story that Komen told the public was that the cut-off was unrelated to a political agenda against Planned Parenthood.
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"Komen's been dealing with the Planned Parenthood issue for years, and you know, some right-wing groups would organize a protest or send out a mailing every now and then, but it was on a low simmer," the source said. "What Karen's been doing for the past six months is ratcheting up the issue with leadership. Every time someone would even mention a protest, she would magnify it, pump it up, exaggerate it. She's the one that kept driving this issue."
2012-02-07 12:21:56 PM  
2 votes:
The marketplace has spoken.

/Yeah, we're talking to you Wall Street Journal fascist editors
2012-02-07 12:19:31 PM  
2 votes:

Glockgraduation: Generation_D: Glockgraduation: Planned Parenthood is a lightning rod for controversy. They are always involved in all sorts of litigation and just mentioning their name is sure to get you into some sort of fight at the dinner table. All politics aside, why would any board looking out for the best interests of their organization want anything to do with them?

Uh, because both organizations work to prevent breast cancer? Atleast one does.

Are you insinuating that because they wanted to withdraw a 650k grant from Planned Parenthood that they no longer are in the business of preventing breast cancer? This is a 400 million dollar organization.


He's not insinuating it. he's flat out stating it. SGK is no longer a charity, it is a political organization.
2012-02-07 12:19:18 PM  
2 votes:

blutendesherz: When your charity becomes a brand it's time to pack up shop and let the smaller charities who still care take the burden.


It's not about the charity or brand for anyone there anymore, it's about money. The only truly ethical person on there was Molly Williams who resigned the second the decision was made. Everyone else wants $$$.
2012-02-07 12:18:05 PM  
2 votes:
Years from now this will be studied in PR classes as a "how not to act" in regard to damage control, much as today we study the Pepsi "needles in cans" incident among other screwups.
2012-02-07 12:15:21 PM  
2 votes:
They've not only lost the support of the pro-choice crowd, they've now lost the support of the pro-life crowd who were too farking lazy to research the organization and know they supported PP at all.

When your charity becomes a brand it's time to pack up shop and let the smaller charities who still care take the burden. Especially when you will happily sue those other charities for daring to use pink in a farking campaign.
2012-02-07 12:14:30 PM  
2 votes:
So? She'll lay low for a few months. She'll run for office and boast about this fiasco, and the fundies will eat it up like Puppy Chow.
2012-02-07 12:14:24 PM  
2 votes:

IXI Jim IXI: BronyMedic: I have a feeling that Komen isn't going to get back a lot of the donations they lost over this matter. I also have a feeling that it's going to be a long,long time until they recover, from both a financhial and a PR aspect.

I'm sure someone like Hannity or Savage will come whining to their cause, bleating about how the wonderful organization was maligned for not funding baby murder or some other crap. Then the "hey, let's buy gold and emergency rations" crowd will start throwing their money at them.


"Those" people do not give to charities that don't threaten them with eternal damnation.
2012-02-07 12:13:43 PM  
2 votes:

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Isn't Armstrong's LiveStrong foundation all about prostate cancer? For a time, those yellow bands were every bit as ubiquitous as the pink branded stuff.


I thought the LiveStrong bracelets were a near-perfect douchebag detector. You're saying it was about cancer all along?
2012-02-07 12:13:04 PM  
2 votes:
From her resignation letter:

"I openly acknowledge my role in the matter and continue to believe our decision was the best one for Komen's future and the women we serve."

Yes, because if there's one thing that can help the women served either directly or indirectly by Komen it's cutting funding for breast cancer education and screening.
2012-02-07 12:11:30 PM  
2 votes:

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Isn't Armstrong's LiveStrong foundation all about prostate cancer? For a time, those yellow bands were every bit as ubiquitous as the pink branded stuff.


Cancer in general. Lance himself had ball cancer.
2012-02-07 12:08:47 PM  
2 votes:

WhoIsWillo: Her resignation letter is hilarious, in a sad way: karenhandelkomen.com


Her letter is bullshiat. I get the point, this was all approved and vetted by everyone, so why should she fall on the sword? But she is still pretending like the decision was motivated by wanting to not be near controversy. I get that, I would support her and agree with that. But that's not what this is about. That line she is feeding us is bullshiat. This decision was motivated by not wanting to support anyone who supports abortion. It's about a very specific controversy that they care about. You can know this because of their continued funding at Penn State. I cannot imagine a larger controversy right now than the Penn State scandal that they would want to run from. You can also know this because Komen is known for suing other breast cancer charities who use "for the cure." They're creating their very own controversy by using breast cancer charity money to sue other breast cancer charities.

So it's not about keeping Komen out of controversy, it's about pushing a pro-life agenda. It is what it is lady, own it.
2012-02-07 12:07:26 PM  
2 votes:

BronyMedic: I have a feeling that Komen isn't going to get back a lot of the donations they lost over this matter. I also have a feeling that it's going to be a long,long time until they recover, from both a financhial and a PR aspect.


I'm sure someone like Hannity or Savage will come whining to their cause, bleating about how the wonderful organization was maligned for not funding baby murder or some other crap. Then the "hey, let's buy gold and emergency rations" crowd will start throwing their money at them.
2012-02-07 12:05:56 PM  
2 votes:

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Marine1: That whole organization is more of an annoyance than anything else. We don't need pink on football fields, shotgun shells, pistols, soup cans, and buckets of KFC. I'd say the NFL's contract with them to put pink on the uniforms and fields is actually insulting, considering their main audience (middle-aged and senior men) are more likely to suffer from prostate cancer, which, while still during the NFL season, doesn't get nearly the same amount of attention.

Isn't Armstrong's LiveStrong foundation all about prostate cancer? For a time, those yellow bands were every bit as ubiquitous as the pink branded stuff.

I'm not saying that prostate cancer couldn't enjoy more attention, and I agree that the Superbowl would be a great time to promote it, but it's not like it doesn't have a huge charitable organization attached to it.

If anything, that's a call for LiveStrong to (pardon me) get on the ball and make themselves more visable.


I think he was just about cancer in general. Could be wrong, though.
2012-02-07 12:05:18 PM  
2 votes:

NateAsbestos: No doubt. Prostate cancer gets NO real media attention but is just as bad [and possibly just as prevalent? I have no figures] as breast cancer.


Not really. By and large if you get prostate cancer you're likely to die of something else long before it kills you, and treatment rarely requires wholesale removal of organs.
2012-02-07 12:04:21 PM  
2 votes:

itsfullofstars: are you people happy? This unemployment line we are all so concerned about is one longer today.


She resigned. No unemployment for her.

Balchinian: For the record, the policy to exclude PP from funding was in place before Handel ever got to SGK.

The more you know.


The fark you say?

Emails between Komen leadership on the day the Planned Parenthood decision was announced, which were reviewed by HuffPost under the condition they not be published, confirm the source's description of Handel's sole "authority" in crafting and implementing the Planned Parenthood policy. Source

strapp3r: good god! keep that women away from my saplings!


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Serena Joy
Dolores Umbridge



/fixed that for the new generation
//image hotlinked
2012-02-07 12:00:40 PM  
2 votes:

FuturePastNow: Also, I note that her "apology" was of the "sorry you were offended" variety. How predictable.


That part is her right. She doesn't need to apologize for her beliefs.

Why someone with those beliefs would be put in such a position in a charity that cater's to women's needs is beyond me, but she still has the right to her beliefs.
2012-02-07 11:58:51 AM  
2 votes:

Glendale: You threw yourselves right into the middle of that shaitstorm.


Typical charity management. They have gotten so used to collecting fat paychecks while hobnobbing with politicians and celebrities that they forgot that the hobnobbing was entirely secondary to what they were supposed to be doing.

And I'm with some others on this: this is the straw that broke the camel's back for them. They probably will be a severely diminished organization going forward, if they continue at all.
2012-02-07 11:58:49 AM  
2 votes:

FuturePastNow: Also, I note that her "apology" was of the "sorry you were offended" variety. How predictable.


I hate that shiat. I'm offended because you were offensive, get it through your head.

Also, doesn't she look exactly like what you'd picture if someone said the words "prying, biatchy neighbor"? You could cast her as Gladys Kravitz in Bewitched and everyone would call it perfect casting
2012-02-07 11:54:56 AM  
2 votes:
Handel, a Republican, ran for Georgia governor in 2010, winning an endorsement from former vice presidential candidate and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. Handel then lost a primary runoff to former Georgia Congressman Nathan Deal, who won the general election.

Throughout the campaign, Deal accused Handel of being soft on abortion.

Deal repeatedly attacked Handel over a 2005 vote she took while serving on a metro Atlanta county commission to give more than $400,000 to Planned Parenthood, though not for abortion services. The Georgia affiliate of Planned Parenthood said the money went to a downtown clinic for services such as cervical cancer screenings, testing for sexually transmitted diseases and birth controls.


WOW! so as crazy as Handel is, she is still less crazy than this Nathan Deal guy and he actually won over her in the Georgia election!!!

YIKES!!!

Any Georgia farkers care to comment?
2012-02-07 11:54:52 AM  
2 votes:

unyon: I should add that this resignation letter is pretty goddamned selfish on Handel's part. Yes, she was likely pressured into resigning, which is why it didn't happen last week. Yes, the truth probably is that the rest of the board is more than complicit in the decision.

But if she really gave a shiat about the reputation of Komen and it's mission, she would have fallen on her sword and taken the blame. She was resigning anyways.


Rot at the core always spreads outward.

I wonder if the board hired her knowing they could use her as the sacrificial lamb should the decision blow up in their faces.

Rather than back off, they hired actually hired a scapegoat. It was a win-win for them.
2012-02-07 11:53:21 AM  
2 votes:
Also, I note that her "apology" was of the "sorry you were offended" variety. How predictable.
2012-02-07 11:52:14 AM  
2 votes:
Another stupid fundie pays the price for forcing their stupid beliefs on others. If only it happened more often, the world would be a much better place.
2012-02-07 11:51:47 AM  
2 votes:
Brinker is still on board. Screw Komen.
2012-02-07 11:50:11 AM  
2 votes:
That whole organization is more of an annoyance than anything else. We don't need pink on football fields, shotgun shells, pistols, soup cans, and buckets of KFC. I'd say the NFL's contract with them to put pink on the uniforms and fields is actually insulting, considering their main audience (middle-aged and senior men) are more likely to suffer from prostate cancer, which, while still during the NFL season, doesn't get nearly the same amount of attention.

If you're not aware of breast cancer at this point, you're either blind, deaf, or live under a rock.
2012-02-07 11:45:55 AM  
2 votes:

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I love the way she keeps insisting that the reason to defund PP was because they were "controversial".

So, let me get this straight Karen: your organization doesn't want to engage in any controversial actions, right? How, exactly, did that work out for you, and why, exactly, are you whining about being forced out because of the FARKING HUGE CONTROVERSY that you exposed your organization to?

Oh, that's right. "Controversial", in this context, means "they provide abortions". Once again, Republicans think that the rest of us don't understand their little dog whistles and code words.


Doesn't matter if we understand them. They just need stupid people to react to them. And they do, thus they control half our government.
2012-02-07 11:40:20 AM  
2 votes:
Charity and research organizations are great until they get so big that the political aspect overshadows the actual work and effort by the organization.

That said.... stop with the PINK everything. It's overkill. Come up with a snappy slogan or a memorable campaign. There are currently millions of human sheep wearing pink... saying it's for breast cancer.... yet they never do anything to help fight any type of cancer. They never donate or go to events.

Strangely, every type of cancer has it's own color. It's like a weird rainbow war.

/Support Planned Parenthood
2012-02-07 11:39:16 AM  
2 votes:

Balchinian: For the record, the policy to exclude PP from funding was in place before Handel ever got to SGK.


The other day someone posted a link or maybe it was a greenlight that said she was integral to that decision. Curious to see the story that says it was already in the works now.
2012-02-07 11:36:34 AM  
2 votes:
For the record, the policy to exclude PP from funding was in place before Handel ever got to SGK.

The more you know.
2012-02-07 11:35:23 AM  
2 votes:
Fox News contract offer coming in 3...2....
2012-02-07 11:35:21 AM  
2 votes:

Code_Archeologist: WhoIsWillo: Her resignation letter is hilarious, in a sad way

Yeah, her resignation is embarrassing in its attempt to implicate the entire board of SGK in her clumsy attempt to turn the organization into a right wing weapon against Planned Parenthood. She should be ashamed of her self, but from my experience of watching her here in Georgia, i am pretty sure that she is incapable of experiencing shame in any form.


Well, the board did sign off on her hiring in the first place.
2012-02-07 11:35:10 AM  
2 votes:
Amazing.

Keep this up, and the people will think they actually have power when they band together as a collective.

//Resistance is futile.
2012-02-07 11:32:31 AM  
2 votes:
It is still kind of amusing that per the article, she was attacked in her losing campaign for not being anti-abortion enough, and yet the current narrative is that she's some kind of fanatic. I guess politics in that part of the country are rather different than what I'm used to.
2012-02-07 11:32:04 AM  
2 votes:
I just hope that she does not make a mint going around giving speeches about this whole trying time...

...but she's going to make a mint going around giving speeches about this trying time.

Karen "Brand Destroyer" Handel
2012-02-08 12:48:17 PM  
1 vote:
rufus-t-firefly:Absolute farking scum working "in the Lord's name."

Yeah, I heard about that as well. Again, lots of evidence of this kind of crap. But as of yet MBooda has yet to provice a single bit of evidence of anything against Planned Parenthood.

Thatr's because MBooda is a liar.
2012-02-08 04:06:17 AM  
1 vote:
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Hope the screen door hit her where her "Good Lord" split her... fat ass.
2012-02-08 12:01:40 AM  
1 vote:
Anti-abortion and pro-war, you can't explain that, Christians.
2012-02-07 11:25:26 PM  
1 vote:

DoBeDoBeDo: MeinRS6: If any of this leads to getting that pink shiat off of the football field, then I'm for it.

Why do you hate boobies?

Love going to October games and seeing the tight shirted sorority girls handing out pink ribbon stickers in the parking lots.

But then again I'm all for boobies, lots and lots of boobies!


So am I, but there are far worse cancers out there that effect both men only, and women+men, but they get buried under the Pink Ribbon of Guilt.
2012-02-07 10:56:54 PM  
1 vote:

Balchinian: Blah blah blah.

You're not very good at this right-wing white-knighting. Instead of entertaining FARK with your half-assed and clown-like pleas that are devoid of facts and only barely hinged in reality, why not write up your resume and send it to SGK? Last I've heard they really dig that amateur-hour right-wing drivel in board positions.

OT: From my point of view it looks like Komen grew from a charity into a corporation, the distance between the top-most hierarchy and the public became so large that the whole board became alienated and more and more politicized. SGK tried to shift from being a charity to being a right-wing mouthpiece by blindly following a right-wing fundie endorsed by Sarah Palin. (Like that didn't had DOOM spelled all over it...) Alas, they were not prepared for the backlash. They didn't even have the lack of remorse and self-reflection all other Republicans seem to have: "never admit you were wrong" and "never reverse a decision". They did both, and by doing so alienated even more people. Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of farkwits.

/Off to the Abortionplex (new window)
2012-02-07 10:42:30 PM  
1 vote:

MBooda: /financial contributor to PP for ten years until I found out what goes on during their "sessions"


You're a bit late in the thread for such blatant concern trolling.
2012-02-07 10:16:25 PM  
1 vote:

MBooda: The My Little Pony Killer: MBooda: /financial contributor to PP for ten years until I found out what goes on during their "sessions"

I call bullshiat on both points.

/was that teenager in those "sessions"

And I'm sure they gave equal time and effort in explaining all available options before strapping you into the stirrups.

/I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it
//not Voltaire, but an amazing simulation


You admit to not ever having been in one of those rooms yet you refuse to see any position on it except for the one that suits your needs.

I just plain feel bad for you, bro.
2012-02-07 09:16:26 PM  
1 vote:

saintstryfe: Great Porn Dragon: Only ONCE they've THOROUGHLY cleaned house will even talking be a consideration--meanwhile, I've now added "pink ribbon" crap to my personal "boycott as a corporate funder of dominionist crap" list right next to Hobby Lobby and Chick-Fil-A. AND what little money I have that I can donate to charity gets to go to Planned Parenthood's local offices, kthx. :D

Waaaaiit.... Hobby Lobby? How and why?


Basically, Hobby Lobby is (unfortunately) one of the four largest corporate sponsors of dominionist groups in the US--and they have a particularly heavy emphasis on corporate sponsorship of "Jesus Camper" type dominionists.

tl;dr short version: The only company I'm aware of that's a larger corporate funder of dominionism and dominionist initiatives is Amway (which also serves as a recruitment front for dominionist groups on occasion)--yes, Hobby Lobby is literally worse than Chick-Fil-A.

tl;dr (longer) version: Basically Hobby Lobby and their parent company deal in a LOT of nasty dominionist stuff...they are probably the largest corporate sponsor of David Barton's "Wallbuilders"--a group dedicated to a sort of historical revisionism that claims the Founding Fathers somehow meant the US to be some sort of Jesus Camper Theocracy rather than a representative democracy; they have had a pattern of some fairly blatant religious discrimination in hiring of employees and even against store patrons; an entire division of the parent company of Hobby Lobby exists that's pretty much dedicated to "Wild Indians Tamed By Jeezus" narratives that are seen as highly offensive by the First Nation in question; they're explicitly linked to a number of dominionist groups engaging in deceitful recruitment tactics, including a group known for staging "altar calls" in public schools under the claim they're doing "anti-drug" talks; there are links with Ron Luce's Teen Mania Industries, a group that holds scary, possibly-Godwin-invoking-in-comparisons rallies targeting Jesus Camped youth; at least one division runs a "Jesus Gulag" promoting itself as a "Behaviour modification center" where kids who don't toe the Jesus Camper line are sent for "reprogramming" and the occasional "degaying" treatment; AND to top off the crap sundae with crap sprinkles, the owner of the corporate family is a hardcore Jesus Camper (of the New Apostolic Reformation sort--as in those sorts everyone in the GOP save for Paul and Romney have been practically fellating in the 2012 campaign) and the companies also have linkage with dominionist groups very closely tied to the genocidal regime of Efrain Rios Montt in Guatemala back in the 80s.

(Yes, that's literally as much as I could summarise. The article goes into MUCH more detail on it. Suffice it to say that--being an escapee from the exact movement that Hobby Lobby is a corporate sponsor of--they are one of a very few companies on my permanent boycott list (consisting of Amway and its corporate tentacles, Chick-Fil-A, Hobby Lobby and its corporate tentacles, and--unless and until they fully clean house--Susan G. Komen Foundation just joined that list). This is considerable as I'm usually willing to give a group a chance if they stop dominionist corporate funding--I haven't eaten Domino's in a decade not because they were a dominionist corporate funder (they pretty much stopped being a funding front for uber-fundy Catholics and Operation Rescue after Tom Monaghan resigned from being CEO) but because they have crappy pizza; the permanent boycott list is reserved for groups that have ingrained, systemic, pro-dominionist, pro-dominionist-funding corporate cultures.)
2012-02-07 09:06:58 PM  
1 vote:

saintstryfe: Waaaaiit.... Hobby Lobby? How and why?


Not the most impartial site, but this link (new window) may answer your question. Or you could just Google it.
2012-02-07 09:04:24 PM  
1 vote:

The My Little Pony Killer: MBooda: /financial contributor to PP for ten years until I found out what goes on during their "sessions"

I call bullshiat on both points.

/was that teenager in those "sessions"


And I'm sure they gave equal time and effort in explaining all available options before strapping you into the stirrups.

/I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it
//not Voltaire, but an amazing simulation
2012-02-07 08:38:56 PM  
1 vote:

lohphat: tukatz:
Strangely, every type of cancer has it's own color. It's like a weird rainbow war.

Which color is the colon cancer ribbon?


Dark Blue (new window)
2012-02-07 08:38:48 PM  
1 vote:

Great Porn Dragon: Only ONCE they've THOROUGHLY cleaned house will even talking be a consideration--meanwhile, I've now added "pink ribbon" crap to my personal "boycott as a corporate funder of dominionist crap" list right next to Hobby Lobby and Chick-Fil-A. AND what little money I have that I can donate to charity gets to go to Planned Parenthood's local offices, kthx. :D


Waaaaiit.... Hobby Lobby? How and why?
2012-02-07 07:49:06 PM  
1 vote:
Bloody William:mimg.ugo.com

I guess Komen couldn't...Handel the pressure.

/ Hot
2012-02-07 06:41:39 PM  
1 vote:

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Bullseyed: Why exactly is this news? How is it anyone's business what a private charity decides to do with their money?

Well, gee, it's not like that question hasn't been raised and answered about a dozen times in this thread alone, but here we go again:

If you are donating money to an organization like Komen, it is absolutely your business to know how they are spending your money, and you have every right to withhold your donations if you don't approve of how they conduct business.

Tell me that you're just repeating a talking point and that you aren't actually so thick that you couldn't figure out that basic principle by yourself.


I read that in Jack Nickelson's voice and it sounded really cool.
2012-02-07 06:21:32 PM  
1 vote:

MBooda: /financial contributor to PP for ten years until I found out what goes on during their "sessions"


I call bullshiat on both points.

/was that teenager in those "sessions"
2012-02-07 06:14:05 PM  
1 vote:

WhoIsWillo: PLnn: Why should a charity devoted to fight breast cancer give money to an organization that does not do breast cancer screenings, but refers them out? Shouldn't those funds go directly to the clinics performing the mammograms/screening. Isn't using Planned Parenthood as an intermediate a political statement to begin with?

Also, mammograms are breast screenings, but not all breast screenings are mammograms.


I got a free breast screening every single time I went in there. I don't get where people are dreaming up objections to PP giving out referrals for mammograms either. How else is a poor woman going to get a referral for that sort of thing? You can't just waltz into a specialist's office and get treated.
2012-02-07 06:13:28 PM  
1 vote:

MBooda: /financial contributor to PP for ten years until I found out what goes on during their "sessions"


Don't keep us in suspense. Tell us. Details such as "when" and "where" would be helpful.
2012-02-07 05:21:22 PM  
1 vote:
I read somewhere that Karen Handel had a third trimester abortion and then ate the fetus. I don't have proof, but I think that needs to be investigated. I think it was in 1990.
2012-02-07 05:01:15 PM  
1 vote:

Balchinian: Sorry for the delay, I had to run into town for a bit.

OK, Yes Brinker was flipflopping in the interview, but given the contents of Handel's letter I decided that the testimony of two people who were open to being identified were more credible than some nameless HuffPo source. (It is HuffPo, remember.) The second reason I give it credibility is that it is simply makes more sense for it to have happened the way the two SGK people say it did.

As to the question of why SGK gives money to PSU, you would have to ask them that. I have nothing to do with SGK or their operations, I only know what I read in the papers and that is obviously spun to the extent that deriving the truth is not necessarily an easy matter. Given what I have read, I believe Brinker and Handel over HuffPo's hidden source. What I believe, and why, are pretty irrelevant though.

Either way, the fact that a public social service entity has enough political power to influence where a private organization's money goes is a scary and dangerous thing, and that was really the whole point.

Finally, how it happened that I became labelled a "right-winger" simply for reiterating something that someone else wrote says a lot about the credibility and validity of what gets written in these threads. My views on the abortion issue are nowhere to be found in this, or any other thread. My political leanings are entirely absent from this discussion, and I purposefully went to the effort of actually mentioning that I was abstracting them from the discussion. But some of you feel that merely by not automatically toeing the line and hopping on the "bash the right-winger" bandwagon that I must be a "right-winger". That is simply prejudicial bigotry of the McCarthy sort, and you should be ashamed of yourselves for it.

Well here you are then, let's see what you make of this: Yes, I defended Handel. But I have never given a single dime to SGK, and have donated annually to PP. So what then are my views on the ab ...


You still haven't provided a source that shows the investigation policy was in place before Handel was hired.
2012-02-07 04:57:14 PM  
1 vote:

Balchinian: As to the question of why SGK gives money to PSU, you would have to ask them that. I have nothing to do with SGK or their operations, I only know what I read in the papers and that is obviously spun to the extent that deriving the truth is not necessarily an easy matter


So that fact that it's a blatant contradiction to their claim that they have a policy that requires them to remove funding from organizations under investigation doesn't even raise your eyebrows a slight bit?

When an organizations public statements are contradicted by their actions, it's not an unreasonable stance to take that as evidence that they aren't being entirely honest about their motivations, nor does it make a difference that their claims are being made openly.

If you lie to my face, you don't get any credit for being obvious about it.
2012-02-07 04:49:08 PM  
1 vote:

Balchinian: Load of crap


I wouldn't buy that for a dollar.
2012-02-07 04:47:19 PM  
1 vote:

Bullseyed: Why exactly is this news? How is it anyone's business what a private charity decides to do with their money? Why is a breast cancer charity funding a politically motivated abortion agency to begin with? Will any of us see a real journalist again in our lifetime?

If they are a charity that solicits donations from the public, it's the public's right to know what the hell they are going to do with that money.

Komen for the Cure is one of the most prominent charities in the US, and when you count in the people who buy pink-labelled products because a tiny fraction of that money goes to Komen, probably most of the country has given them at least a small amount of money.

Oh, and Planned Parenthood is not a "politically motivated abortion agency". It's a non-profit women's health organization. Abortion is only a very small portion of the services they provide. For many women they are the only gynecological healthcare they receive, which means the only breast cancer screenings they get. . .which is why Komen was funding them for breast cancer prevention/treatment.
2012-02-07 04:44:00 PM  
1 vote:

abb3w: I would have tried "Komen Foundation undergoes mastectomy to remove malignant boob", but I'm slow on the news feed today....


Not bad!
2012-02-07 04:27:00 PM  
1 vote:
like a lot of republicans recently she over played her hand. but do not turn your back on them.
2012-02-07 04:20:52 PM  
1 vote:

PLnn: Why should a charity devoted to fight breast cancer give money to an organization that does not do breast cancer screenings, but refers them out? Shouldn't those funds go directly to the clinics performing the mammograms/screening. Isn't using Planned Parenthood as an intermediate a political statement to begin with?


PP does do screenings. That's what pre-screenings are, for Heaven's sake.

The facilities that do the bulk of mammograms get their business from referrals. Think of it like the way that your primary care physician will send you to a facility with an MRI if they need to have a look at you, or the way that you'll often get sent out to a third party for blood work.

And just as you can't go to the MRI facility directly, you can't go to these mammogram facilities directly. You need a referral, which is what PP is providing.
2012-02-07 03:23:50 PM  
1 vote:
So her career has been aborted. I can only hope she has a Plan B
2012-02-07 03:20:39 PM  
1 vote:

Lunaville: Oh G-d no, now she's going to run for some political office in Georgia.


She was previously Secretary of State here. She also ran for governor and could have had a runoff with our current governor Deal, but she either punked out or was paid off.

/The republicans here are a farking embarassment.
2012-02-07 03:00:02 PM  
1 vote:
I would have tried "Komen Foundation undergoes mastectomy to remove malignant boob", but I'm slow on the news feed today....
2012-02-07 02:55:15 PM  
1 vote:

punistation: [blogs.ajc.com image 512x360]

It doesn't matter. He's IN.

And once he's IN, I think you'll find it very difficult to get him OUT.


That's what she said.
2012-02-07 02:38:37 PM  
1 vote:
Well done internet, you can have a big cookie and some new porn.
2012-02-07 02:11:42 PM  
1 vote:

STRYPERSWINE: I disagree with the church's stance on family planning too, but they shouldn't be forced to participate in something that violates their beliefs.

I was just wondering if people were being consistent, or if tolerance only flows in one direction.


Okay, I think that the main thread is over, so we may as well move on to your threadjack.

A consistent case would be of a large charity cutting off funding to Catholic charities that perform breast cancer screenings because they didn't like the Catholic stance on contraception (but then tried to hide the reasons behind a red-herring policy decision that just happened to target those Catholic charities).

If that happened, I would certainly feel the same: that a charity whose mission is to help prevent breast cancer should focus on its mission and not play political and/or religious games with its donor's money, and that those same donors would have every right to be upset with them for playing such games with their donations.

Now, if you want to talk about the wholly unrelated question of whether tax-payer money can come with strings attached, my only reply is to ask if you have been living under a farking rock for the last century or so?
2012-02-07 02:07:00 PM  
1 vote:
Good. Go take your right-winged zealous fanaticism back to the church you dumb, ignorant twat.
2012-02-07 02:04:40 PM  
1 vote:

Great Porn Dragon: Good.

Now, can we please get the rest of the dominionist scum off the board?

Oh, no, SGK, you aren't done yet by any means. For one, you have Ari Fleischer doing damage control, but for another, you still have Jane Abraham on the board--Abraham being the head of the anti-reproductive-health dominionist group "Susan B. Anthony List" (which Sarah Palin is also a member of).

Abraham is also linked with groups that promote "crisis pregnancy centers"--that pretty much scare teenaged girls into maternity homes to supply babbies for dominionist adoption agencies (who tend not to adopt to even Catholics and other Non-Approved Abrahamic Faith Groups, much less LGBT people and atheists or members of non-Abrahamic religions).

And for all we know, there are OTHER dominionists on the board, too--SGK has been a target for steeplejack since at least 2005 (when an Army of God-linked dominionist anti-reproductive-health group organised a boycott).

Only ONCE they've THOROUGHLY cleaned house will even talking be a consideration--meanwhile, I've now added "pink ribbon" crap to my personal "boycott as a corporate funder of dominionist crap" list right next to Hobby Lobby and Chick-Fil-A. AND what little money I have that I can donate to charity gets to go to Planned Parenthood's local offices, kthx. :D

And yes, more than anything, I'm reminded (especially in the GOOD way on how "people power" is forcing positive change) of the attempted "hostile steeplejacking" of the Singaporean women's group AWARE (AWARE is basically...if you can imagine a combination of the early 60s NOW, groups that provide safe-houses and education to women who are suffering domestic abuse, and Planned Parenthood, that's a good description--they are the women's NGO in Singapore).

Much as what seems to have happened to SGK, dominionists explicitly targeted AWARE for a "hostile takeover" because the group dared to advocate for lesbian women; they took advantage of the fact the group had open voting among membe ...


Wow, great post. So we should be thankful to Handel for giving us a heads-up on what douches run Komen. Also, good work, Singaporean women!

/You deserve a better handle, GPD - no pun intended.
2012-02-07 02:03:28 PM  
1 vote:

Z Rowsdower: Simple question -
At the organizational level, how is Karen Handel's abuse of power regarding Planned Parenthood any different than Obama's abuse of power forcing Catholics to use contraception?


The biggest difference is that Obama didn't do that.

Other than that, exactly the same, Skippy!
2012-02-07 02:01:05 PM  
1 vote:
Go be fat and sanctimonious somewhere else.
2012-02-07 01:45:23 PM  
1 vote:

STRYPERSWINE: I disagree with the church's stance on family planning too, but they shouldn't be forced to participate in something that violates their beliefs.


If they want to remain private, that might be ok (and the supreme court says it is).

But when you cross over into the public arena, start hiring employees, competing for public contracts, grants, and monies, then you are now an employer and are expected to meet the letter of the law.

For example, supposedly non-religious branches of The Salvation Army have received contracts to operate probation programs in parts of the state of Florida. However, they wish to have the right to hire/fire/discriminate based on their religious organization's principals. This does not fly. (Hell, there wasn't even a competition, probation services were just handed to the Salvation Army in some areas in Florida.)
2012-02-07 01:43:08 PM  
1 vote:

STRYPERSWINE: I disagree with the church's stance on family planning too, but they shouldn't be forced to participate in something that violates their beliefs.

I was just wondering if people were being consistent, or if tolerance only flows in one direction.

/not to be confused with SLAYERSWINE


once again, nobody is forcing a single catholic to do anything. all that is happening is that non-catholics who work for catholics get the same health care plan as everybody else.
2012-02-07 01:28:32 PM  
1 vote:

factoryconnection: Imagine what social conservatives could accomplish with this technology if they weren't spending their time doctoring photos of the president to manufacture outrage!


Let's not. I get enough nightmares about the Christofascists without the idea they might get competent at using social media. Last time they tried a mass mustering of public outrage they got the Tea Party, and look how that turned out.
2012-02-07 01:23:21 PM  
1 vote:

Misch: IronOcelot: Freepers are kinda going nuts.

Going?lennavan: The football program at Penn state systematically raped and subsequently covered up the rape of many children. Penn State is under federal investigation. SGK gave 7.5 million to Penn State and hasn't pulled that yet. How do you explain that, without concluding it's politically motivated? The only thing I can think of is to think that raping boys is significantly better than providing abortions or something because if they are anywhere near in comparison, SGK should have pulled Penn State funding.

The only point I'll grant SGK in this is that the grant of $7.5 million was awarded in 2008 and due to be given over 5 years, before any of this recent policy change stuff started happening. Has SGK made the payment for 2012 yet? Have they decided to pull the payment for 2013?


They were retarded for not bringing that up immediately. "Hey we're defunding PP because of federal investigations, AND we're also defunding Penn State because of their investigations (see, there's no politics involved)."

Instead they chose to say...nothing. Because Penn State was never on the chopping block as records show. It was ONLY PP on the chopping block.

Honestly it's too late to try and bring up Penn State now. They missed that opportunity the second this story broke.
2012-02-07 01:20:58 PM  
1 vote:
Was waiting for this to happen. I knew, as I am sure many other farkers knew that it was only a matter of time.
2012-02-07 01:18:53 PM  
1 vote:

IronOcelot: Freepers are kinda going nuts.


Going?

lennavan: The football program at Penn state systematically raped and subsequently covered up the rape of many children. Penn State is under federal investigation. SGK gave 7.5 million to Penn State and hasn't pulled that yet. How do you explain that, without concluding it's politically motivated? The only thing I can think of is to think that raping boys is significantly better than providing abortions or something because if they are anywhere near in comparison, SGK should have pulled Penn State funding.


The only point I'll grant SGK in this is that the grant of $7.5 million was awarded in 2008 and due to be given over 5 years, before any of this recent policy change stuff started happening. Has SGK made the payment for 2012 yet? Have they decided to pull the payment for 2013?
2012-02-07 01:16:27 PM  
1 vote:

theorellior: IronOcelot: They seem to be convinced that ShariaLawAtheistIslamoCommie Bots are going to be running amok ripping babies straight from women's wombs to make fetus meat sammiches.

That kind of hysterical hyperbole would be rather amusing if a significant portion of this country didn't believe it was Gospel Truth.


In-farking-deed.
I cant wait to hear my father in law have a pants shiatting aneurysm about this and insist we buy gold and stock up on ammo and bibles.
2012-02-07 01:12:38 PM  
1 vote:
Too little too late. Like WAY too late, and WAY too little.

I haven't trusted most "charitable organizations" since I found out how much most of them pay their executives. Come on. If you really believe in whatever cause, donate your time. But that wouldn't be any fun, would it ;)
2012-02-07 01:10:43 PM  
1 vote:

IronOcelot: Freepers are kinda going nuts.


yeah, but they started off crazy and went downhill from there.
2012-02-07 12:57:09 PM  
1 vote:

Mike Chewbacca: vernonFL: I support curing breast cancer by putting a pink ribbon on my car.

Its right next to the yellow ribbon that shows my support for our troops!

Hey, I'm going to show my support for the troops and the boobies by updated by Facebook status!

/farking hate those AWs who post those stupid "if you support _____________ copy and paste this as your own status!" messages.
//if you really hated child abuse, you'd donate some money instead of posting a useless FB status update.


or you could look up your state's "Megan's Law" website, find the address of a convicted child sexual predator out on parole, and go murder him. that's how you really show you care.
2012-02-07 12:52:40 PM  
1 vote:
I don't think the issue is going to go away now that they brought Ari officially on board. He seems to be half the problem.

On February 3, 2012, Think Progress reported that Fleischer was secretly involved in the Komen Foundation's strategy regarding Planned Parenthood. Fleischer personally interviewed candidates for the position of "Senior Vice President for Communications and External Relations" at Komen last December. According to a source with first-hand knowledge, Fleischer drilled prospective candidates during their interviews on how they would handle the controversy about Komen's relationship with Planned Parenthood.

Fleischer's relationship with Komen and the Planned Parenthood controversy was previously undisclosed. He confirmed to ThinkProgress his recent role in filling a key communication position at Komen. Fleischer stressed, however, another communications firm (Ogilvy PR) was retained by Komen to deal with crisis communications and he had not been involved.

In November, Komen advertised for a top level communications position in Roll Call. Promising applicants received a call from Fleischer. The advertisement is no longer posted on the Roll Call website, but a portion is accessible via Google.

According to a source, during at least one interview, Planned Parenthood was a major topic of conversation. Fleischer indicated that he had discussed the Planned Parenthood issue with Komen's CEO, Nancy Brinker, and that she was at her wits end about how to proceed. Fleischer described himself as a longtime friend of Brinker. Fleischer confirmed to ThinkProgress that he would receive a fee from Komen when the search was complete. Fleischer did not specify the amount of his fee but said it would be "substantially below the normal placement fee charged by executive search companies" because "they're a charity I believe in."

Fleischer's high-level involvement with Komen further complicates its image as an apolitical cancer charity. In his book, Taking Heat, Fleischer criticized Planned Parenthood as a partisan, ideological organization that receives undeserved positive coverage in the press. In 2001, Fleischer said that the Clinton administration verged too far to the left on family planning efforts because "if Planned Parenthood wanted it, the previous administration favored it."


As others have said, I'll be donating differently in the future.
2012-02-07 12:51:43 PM  
1 vote:

STRYPERSWINE: She is bad but the government forcing Catholics to violate their conscience is good, right?


As a technical Catholic, my conscience tells me that letting the Catholic church make decisions about its members lives rarely ends well.
2012-02-07 12:50:09 PM  
1 vote:
I called this one two days ago.
2012-02-07 12:44:08 PM  
1 vote:

Shadowknight: She is going to get a job in some other Right Wing think-tank or over at Fox News, have no doubt about that.


Really she's not blonde.

/late to the thread hope no one else said this yet.
2012-02-07 12:42:00 PM  
1 vote:

meat0918: Amazing.

Keep this up, and the people will think they actually have power when they band together as a collective.

//Resistance is no longer futile.


I know it's popular to blast Facebook, but I started using it last night to spread the word about some shiat the power company is pulling. Amazingly easy and effective. Never really used it before that, but definitely will in the future.

/There goes the "Them that gots the gold makes the rules" rule. (:
2012-02-07 12:41:50 PM  
1 vote:
AJC is reporting that she will hold a press conference this afternoon to discuss the situation.

www.rankopedia.com

GINGER, GET THE POPCORN!
2012-02-07 12:39:11 PM  
1 vote:

DjangoStonereaver: HOL candidate already? Hooray!


Headline Of Life?
2012-02-07 12:38:27 PM  
1 vote:
HOL candidate already? Hooray!
2012-02-07 12:37:22 PM  
1 vote:

Dinkledort: Ah yes, and the media hit is complete. Let's just continue to ignore the fact that all she tried to, as head of a non-political charity organization, was discontinue funding for one of the most politically polarizing organizations in the country - one that doesn't even provide mammograms. Did someone mention that her decision may have in any small way been an attempt not to lose donations from evil Christians who hate all women and want them to die? Well then her disgraced resignation is not nearly enough. Let's all cross our fingers and hope she DIAF. That'll learn her or anyone to not give money to the leading provider of abortions in the country, a procedure that a large percentage of Americans truly believe is murder.


Cry moar, emo conservative. I'll cross my fingers and hope you DIAF.
2012-02-07 12:35:13 PM  
1 vote:

Mike Chewbacca: That's nice, but do you have a link that shows that policy was in place before Handel was hired?


There are rumblings of Ari Fleischer having been involved in the executive headhunting that brought Handel in.

According to a source with first-hand knowledge, Fleischer drilled prospective candidates during their interviews on how they would handle the controversy about Komen's relationship with Planned Parenthood.

Fleischer's relationship with Komen and the Planned Parenthood controversy was previously undisclosed. He confirmed to ThinkProgress his recent role in filling a key communication position at Komen.
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According to a source, during at least one interview, Planned Parenthood was a major topic of conversation. Fleischer indicated that he had discussed the Planned Parenthood issue with Komen's CEO, Nancy Brinker, and that she was at her wits end about how to proceed. Fleischer described himself as a longtime friend of Brinker.


So, it is possible that Handel was brought on to do a hatchet job for SGK. On the other hand, if they're using former Bush administration officials who dislike Planned Parenthood to begin with, there's a possibility that both sides are right.
2012-02-07 12:33:36 PM  
1 vote:

Dinkledort: Ah yes, and the media hit is complete. Let's just continue to ignore the fact that all she tried to, as head of a non-political charity organization, was discontinue funding for one of the most politically polarizing organizations in the country - one that doesn't even provide mammograms. Did someone mention that her decision may have in any small way been an attempt not to lose donations from evil Christians who hate all women and want them to die? Well then her disgraced resignation is not nearly enough. Let's all cross our fingers and hope she DIAF. That'll learn her or anyone to not give money to the leading provider of abortions in the country, a procedure that a large percentage of Americans truly believe is murder.


I'll give this a point for at least trying to sound realistic.
2012-02-07 12:30:31 PM  
1 vote:

DoBeDoBeDo: MeinRS6: If any of this leads to getting that pink shiat off of the football field, then I'm for it.

Why do you hate boobies?

Love going to October games and seeing the tight shirted sorority girls handing out pink ribbon stickers in the parking lots.

But then again I'm all for boobies, lots and lots of boobies!


You are talking about the parking lot. I'm talking about the field and player uniforms.

All that is is an advertisement for the Komen brand. And it's annoying.
2012-02-07 12:29:16 PM  
1 vote:
And lest people think this is over...The Susan G. Komen Foundation Thinks You're Stupid.

And the org may have been steeplejacked, or could have been "born bad"--but if steeplejacked, it's been that way for almost a decade; one of Handel's predecessors was also anti-reproductive-health and had basically tried to turn SGK into a "right-to-life" group, and has actively blocked patient-advocate laws and proposals to increase access to medical care for low-income women.

(Of course, this is also completely aside from the pinkwashing stuff--but hell, there's an actual movie about that now, so I'll refrain from going over that bit. Suffice it to say a lot of those "pink ribbons" are pinkwashing, especially involving companies that are heavy users or makers of "estrogen mocking" chemicals like BPAs that are likely to result in an increased risk of hormonally-responsive breast cancers.)
2012-02-07 12:26:19 PM  
1 vote:
Excellent headline, Subby.

One down, the rest of the board to go.
2012-02-07 12:25:20 PM  
1 vote:

itsfullofstars: are you people happy? This unemployment line we are all so concerned about is one longer today.


... Minus the fact that you can be denied unemployment benefits if you are fired, and can't even apply for them if you've resigned.

I know you're trolling, but damn that was weak.
2012-02-07 12:25:15 PM  
1 vote:

WhoIsWillo: Dusk-You-n-Me: Link (new window)

Crazy. I am a big fan of "Spending more time with family" jokes, and submitted this out of tradition. (I previously had the Herman Cain, John Ensign and Mitt Romney in 2008 headlines that relied on the same base joke). Great minds, I suppose.

Her resignation letter is hilarious, in a sad way: karenhandelkomen.com


When I read that I started involuntarily humming an old folk song whose chorus begins:

It's not our fault\ We have no liability
It's Not our Fault\We have no responsibility...
2012-02-07 12:23:32 PM  
1 vote:

cameroncrazy1984: Balchinian: From a purely business standpoint, defunding PP because they are under federal investigation is a no-brainer move

Please explain why they continue to give funding to Penn State, an organization that is under federal and state investigation. I'll wait. I'm sure you'll come up with something.


Perhaps he's using "no-brainer" to be a literal statement. As in, it takes someone without a brain to think that this would be a good business move.
2012-02-07 12:18:29 PM  
1 vote:

NateAsbestos: No doubt. Prostate cancer gets NO real media attention but is just as bad [and possibly just as prevalent? I have no figures] as breast cancer.


Prostate cancer is more prevalent, but breast cancer is more deadly. From cancer.gov, it is estimated that 230,480 women were diagnosed in 2011, with 39,520 deaths. Prostate cancer, meanwhile, was estimated to have 240,890 diagnoses and 33,720 deaths. More diagnoses, but more deaths (even as a raw figure). Breast cancer has a death rate (for women only, although men DO get breast cancer, and they DO die from it) of 17.1% while prostate cancer has a death rate of 14.0%. Also, the age of the patient is an issue. The median age at death for breast cancer was 68. The median age at death for prostate cancer was 80. We can joke about 68 being old, but it's really not.
2012-02-07 12:14:55 PM  
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Balchinian: Mike Chewbacca: Balchinian: For the record, the policy to exclude PP from funding was in place before Handel ever got to SGK.

The more you know.

I don't believe that's correct. Do you have a citation for that?

Komen Founder and CEO Nancy G. Brinker, in an interview with MSNBC last week, said Handel didn't have a significant role in the policy change.
And in Handel's resignation letter she mentions that discussions to defund PP because they were under federal investigation (not because of abortion issues) had already been held before she got there*, and that it was an automatically done deal because of standing Komen policy to distance itself via defunding from controversies like federal investigations. (I am paraphrasing.) When she arrived, she strongly supported the defunding move because it happened to be in line with her personal beliefs, but neither Handel nor the abortion issue had anything to do with the actual decision.

She is being thrown under the bus because a social service organization has enough political clout to induce a charitable organization to change its policies in order to get their money. From a purely business standpoint, defunding PP because they are under federal investigation is a no-brainer move. As a charitable organization you have to keep a respectful distance from politics in order to maintain a broad base of support. That is basic and fundamental stuff as far as organizational design goes, and SGK has always done that very well. So PP gets defunded because they are under investigation, according to SGK policy, but rather than say "OK, no big deal, when the investigation is over they will support us again", they jump up, point their finger at Handel (a political figure they disagree with) and yell "ABORTION!", thus forcing SGK into the exact political situation they were trying to avoid. Abortion issues aside, that, to my mind, is political blackmail. It is a hatchet job, and they are getting away with it.

It no longer surprises me that they ar ...


* added for clarity
2012-02-07 12:14:48 PM  
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Glockgraduation: Planned Parenthood is a lightning rod for controversy. They are always involved in all sorts of litigation and just mentioning their name is sure to get you into some sort of fight at the dinner table. All politics aside, why would any board looking out for the best interests of their organization want anything to do with them?


Uh, because both organizations work to prevent breast cancer? Atleast one does.
2012-02-07 12:14:30 PM  
1 vote:
money > jesus
2012-02-07 12:12:51 PM  
1 vote:

Mike Chewbacca: Balchinian: For the record, the policy to exclude PP from funding was in place before Handel ever got to SGK.

The more you know.

I don't believe that's correct. Do you have a citation for that?


Komen Founder and CEO Nancy G. Brinker, in an interview with MSNBC last week, said Handel didn't have a significant role in the policy change.
And in Handel's resignation letter she mentions that discussions to defund PP because they were under federal investigation (not because of abortion issues) had already been held, and that it was an automatically done deal because of standing Komen policy to distance itself via defunding from controversies like federal investigations. (I am paraphrasing.) When she arrived, she strongly supported the defunding move because it happened to be in line with her personal beliefs, but neither Handel nor the abortion issue had anything to do with the actual decision.

She is being thrown under the bus because a social service organization has enough political clout to induce a charitable organization to change its policies in order to get their money. From a purely business standpoint, defunding PP because they are under federal investigation is a no-brainer move. As a charitable organization you have to keep a respectful distance from politics in order to maintain a broad base of support. That is basic and fundamental stuff as far as organizational design goes, and SGK has always done that very well. So PP gets defunded because they are under investigation, according to SGK policy, but rather than say "OK, no big deal, when the investigation is over they will support us again", they jump up, point their finger at Handel (a political figure they disagree with) and yell "ABORTION!", thus forcing SGK into the exact political situation they were trying to avoid. Abortion issues aside, that, to my mind, is political blackmail. It is a hatchet job, and they are getting away with it.

It no longer surprises me that they are under federal investigation, but I would be very surprised if anything came of it. Any group with enough political clout to do what they have done with SGK is not going to need to worry about a pesky little federal investigation.
2012-02-07 12:12:04 PM  
1 vote:

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Glockgraduation: Planned Parenthood is a lightning rod for controversy. They are always involved in all sorts of litigation and just mentioning their name is sure to get you into some sort of fight at the dinner table. All politics aside, why would any board looking out for the best interests of their organization want anything to do with them?

Because your mission is about fighting breast cancer and one of the things that PP does is provide massive amounts of pre-screenings to poor women.

Are you concerned about politics and controversy, or are you concerned about actually helping women avoid cancer?

Choose one.


I think they are concerned with Planned Parenthood's ability to drum up an army of activists at the drop of a hat that hold such public sway that they effectively dictate their (SGK's) policy, and now have successfully gotten one of their executives to quit. All over something like a 650k grant. I think what SGK was afraid of was losing power over their own operations, and surprise! Their fears were proven true. They are now at the mercy of PP and their agenda.
2012-02-07 12:11:22 PM  
1 vote:

IXI Jim IXI: I'm sure someone like Hannity or Savage will come whining to their cause, bleating about how the wonderful organization was maligned for not funding baby murder or some other crap. Then the "hey, let's buy gold and emergency rations" crowd will start throwing their money at them.


I saw a Jonah Goldberg article from USA Today basically stating that as evidence that "the Liberals" were the true culture-war zealots. I find that if you use lies (and he lied) to make your point that regardless of its quality otherwise, the point is lost.
2012-02-07 12:06:57 PM  
1 vote:
It looks like Komen for the Cure preformed their first mastectomy.
2012-02-07 12:06:46 PM  
1 vote:
Oh G-d no, now she's going to run for some political office in Georgia.
2012-02-07 12:04:56 PM  
1 vote:

BitwiseShift: Apart from Handel requiring photo ID (for racial reasons) and attracting DOJ scrutiny, the real question is what reparations will the US make to Hungary, having inflicted Ambassador Brinker on them decades after the 1956 Throwing them to the Dogs when the Soviets wanted Hungary back and we surrendered.


I'm not sure whether I missed something or this is the best non sequitur ever
2012-02-07 12:02:51 PM  
1 vote:
machodonkeywrestler: The fact that she was not fired outright means that I will never donate to Komen again.

I have a feeling that Komen isn't going to get back a lot of the donations they lost over this matter. I also have a feeling that it's going to be a long,long time until they recover, from both a financhial and a PR aspect.
2012-02-07 12:02:15 PM  
1 vote:
Apart from Handel requiring photo ID (for racial reasons) and attracting DOJ scrutiny, the real question is what reparations will the US make to Hungary, having inflicted Ambassador Brinker on them decades after the 1956 Throwing them to the Dogs when the Soviets wanted Hungary back and we surrendered.
2012-02-07 12:02:04 PM  
1 vote:

FuturePastNow: Also, I note that her "apology" was of the "sorry you were offended" variety. How predictable.


Is there any other kind anymore? No public figure on earth will ever admit they were wrong about anything in their life, ever. It's political suicide.
2012-02-07 12:01:37 PM  
1 vote:

Marine1: That whole organization is more of an annoyance than anything else. We don't need pink on football fields, shotgun shells, pistols, soup cans, and buckets of KFC. I'd say the NFL's contract with them to put pink on the uniforms and fields is actually insulting, considering their main audience (middle-aged and senior men) are more likely to suffer from prostate cancer, which, while still during the NFL season, doesn't get nearly the same amount of attention.


Isn't Armstrong's LiveStrong foundation all about prostate cancer? For a time, those yellow bands were every bit as ubiquitous as the pink branded stuff.

I'm not saying that prostate cancer couldn't enjoy more attention, and I agree that the Superbowl would be a great time to promote it, but it's not like it doesn't have a huge charitable organization attached to it.

If anything, that's a call for LiveStrong to (pardon me) get on the ball and make themselves more visable.
2012-02-07 11:58:49 AM  
1 vote:
Planned Parenthood is a lightning rod for controversy. They are always involved in all sorts of litigation and just mentioning their name is sure to get you into some sort of fight at the dinner table. All politics aside, why would any board looking out for the best interests of their organization want anything to do with them?
2012-02-07 11:57:45 AM  
1 vote:

meat0918: unyon: I should add that this resignation letter is pretty goddamned selfish on Handel's part. Yes, she was likely pressured into resigning, which is why it didn't happen last week. Yes, the truth probably is that the rest of the board is more than complicit in the decision.

But if she really gave a shiat about the reputation of Komen and it's mission, she would have fallen on her sword and taken the blame. She was resigning anyways.

Rot at the core always spreads outward.

I wonder if the board hired her knowing they could use her as the sacrificial lamb should the decision blow up in their faces.

Rather than back off, they hired actually hired a scapegoat. It was a win-win for them.


I think the board hired her because Komen doesn't receive the kinds of donations from the South as they do from the Northeast. I believe they hired her thinking she would be an in to all that Bible Belt money.

Yeah, they were idiots. Donate to science? Why that's evilution!
2012-02-07 11:57:40 AM  
1 vote:
Looks

NowhereMon: Her resignation wasn't political or about abortion, it was about excellence!


Bill & Ted are more excellent than this twunt.
2012-02-07 11:56:22 AM  
1 vote:

DROxINxTHExWIND: RodneyToady: [i300.photobucket.com image 300x170]

I came here JUST for this picture and it STILL almost made me burst out laughing in the office. Thank you for making my day.

/bonus pts. for using the one with no words on it.


I am actually surprised it took 3 posts.
2012-02-07 11:55:57 AM  
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Some 'Splainin' To Do: I love the way she keeps insisting that the reason to defund PP was because they were "controversial".

So, let me get this straight Karen: your organization doesn't want to engage in any controversial actions, right? How, exactly, did that work out for you, and why, exactly, are you whining about being forced out because of the FARKING HUGE CONTROVERSY that you exposed your organization to?

Oh, that's right. "Controversial", in this context, means "they provide abortions". Once again, Republicans think that the rest of us don't understand their little dog whistles and code words.


A documentary comes out this week showing the justified controversy behind the SGK. So does that mean they have to stop funding....themselves? I'm trippin balls here!

/Glad she got the boot, and glad the SGK and their shennigans are coming out in the public eye, so those donating to boobie causes can make a more objective choice on where to donate.
//I like boobies.
2012-02-07 11:55:26 AM  
1 vote:
Next up on our a-gay-enda. Pairing Ellen DeGeneres and Tim Gunn as spokespersons for JC Penney.

One gay is NOT enough! I need more gays! I'm still not satisfied!

Seriously, if this is an indication that America is fed up with the Anita Bryants of the Christian community, then amen brother and can I have the basket please.
2012-02-07 11:53:53 AM  
1 vote:

RodneyToady: [i300.photobucket.com image 300x170]


I came here JUST for this picture and it STILL almost made me burst out laughing in the office. Thank you for making my day.

/bonus pts. for using the one with no words on it.
2012-02-07 11:53:14 AM  
1 vote:
And not a single thing of value was lost.
2012-02-07 11:52:54 AM  
1 vote:

TV's Vinnie: Her resignation letter was the most chock-full-of-epic-butthurt that I have ever seen. "None of you on the board said a single word to stop me! This is all a lib'rul conspirasee!!WAHHHHHH!!"
[leftonlanier.files.wordpress.com image 395x500]


Regardless of whether or not the board was behind her, unless I'm mistaken, it was her job as vice PUBLIC policy director to vet out the potential PUBLIC reaction. Just because you do consensus building in house and get the green light from higher doesn't mean they're going to back you when they find out you spoon fed them bullshiat and caused a colossal clusterfark. But then again, in her misguided little mind, I could see why she doesn't understand that.
2012-02-07 11:48:27 AM  
1 vote:
Eh, I'm still avoiding foodstuffs with pink labels.
2012-02-07 11:45:53 AM  
1 vote:

CapeFearCadaver: sigdiamond2000: ...and a martyr was born.

Unfortunately, you're probably correct.

Is still welcome news; though they will never see another red cent, nor my sore legs, ever again.


A Gingrich running mate in the making? O.o
2012-02-07 11:45:31 AM  
1 vote:
Good, but I'm sure her future is secure in the lucrative "liberals are persecuting me" industry.
2012-02-07 11:45:31 AM  
1 vote:
She will blame her resignation on the liberal media, Soros, Clinton, a democratic senator from 1825, the sun or even just claim that Obama personally and literally kicked her out the door on her face.

And the right wingers will believe 100%.
2012-02-07 11:43:04 AM  
1 vote:

Balchinian: For the record, the policy to exclude PP from funding was in place before Handel ever got to SGK.

The more you know.


I don't believe that's correct. Do you have a citation for that?
2012-02-07 11:42:19 AM  
1 vote:
Well, bye.
2012-02-07 11:41:35 AM  
1 vote:
I couldn't be more filled with more warm fuzzy schadenfreude if I tried.
2012-02-07 11:41:18 AM  
1 vote:

Headso: The problem being social conservative ideas would need to be popular with people able to operate a computer.


People are living longer than ever and that just means more time for old people to spend wading blindly into the 'tube jungle. Trust me: they all have computers and will believe ANYTHING forwarded to them that matches their confirmation biases. My retired dad says that he sends me maybe 1/20th of what he gets from other Sun City-ers, and even the filtered stuff through him is always an easily-searched "FALSE" on Snopes.com.

If we want to counter this menace, it is up to all of us to post a near-constant stream of baby pictures and videos to facebook to distract them! Don't have kids? FAKE IT!
2012-02-07 11:40:23 AM  
1 vote:

MBooda: to spend more time making decisions for your family

She's going to work for Planned Parenthood?


failblog.files.wordpress.com
2012-02-07 11:39:24 AM  
1 vote:

Impasse: Sounds like she couldn't Handel the pressure...


Maybe she should have spent more time Karen about preventing cancer.
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-02-07 11:37:56 AM  
1 vote:

MBooda: to spend more time making decisions for your family

She's going to work for Planned Parenthood?


Was that meant to be a joke? Or is this your way of hinting that PP decides what's best for each person that walks in the door?
2012-02-07 11:37:07 AM  
1 vote:

cptjeff: MBooda: to spend more time making decisions for your family

She's going to work for Planned Parenthood?

The fark are you on about?


Don't you know that PP hunts down pregnant women and aborts their loved unborn children in the dead of night while screaming "I am woman, hear me roar?"
2012-02-07 11:36:46 AM  
1 vote:

factoryconnection: Imagine what social conservatives could accomplish with this technology if they weren't spending their time doctoring photos of the president to manufacture outrage!


The problem being social conservative ideas would need to be popular with people able to operate a computer.
2012-02-07 11:35:21 AM  
1 vote:

Gwendolyn: "I openly acknowledge my role in the matter and continue to believe our decision was the best one for Komen's future and the women we serve."

Well then I'm glad you're no longer a part of the organization.


basically she is saying "Yes, I am a retard if there were any doubt"
2012-02-07 11:33:19 AM  
1 vote:

R.I.P. George Frederick Handel

upload.wikimedia.org

2012-02-07 11:33:06 AM  
1 vote:

MBooda: to spend more time making decisions for your family

She's going to work for Planned Parenthood?


The fark are you on about?
2012-02-07 11:32:46 AM  
1 vote:
Clever job on the headline, subby.
2012-02-07 11:32:08 AM  
1 vote:
It would have just been better for them to say that they decided to put all their money into research for a cure instead of prevention.

I think people would have had less of an issue with that approach... after all their slogan indicates they are for a cure.
2012-02-07 11:31:53 AM  
1 vote:

Code_Archeologist: WhoIsWillo: Her resignation letter is hilarious, in a sad way

Yeah, her resignation is embarrassing in its attempt to implicate the entire board of SGK in her clumsy attempt to turn the organization into a right wing weapon against Planned Parenthood. She should be ashamed of her self, but from my experience of watching her here in Georgia, i am pretty sure that she is incapable of experiencing shame in any form.


uh-oh. she'll repackage herself for another arena, wait and see. the stinkiest shiat always floats to the top.
2012-02-07 11:26:39 AM  
1 vote:
Don't really have much of a say in the abortion debate when everyone just wants you to fark yourself.
2012-02-07 11:16:29 AM  
1 vote:
If any of this leads to getting that pink shiat off of the football field, then I'm for it.
2012-02-07 11:11:01 AM  
1 vote:
This image comes to mind....
encrypted-tbn2.google.com
2012-02-07 11:05:12 AM  
1 vote:
Haha! Of course, now she can go be a Republican Hero somewhere else, and nobody is going to start donating back to the Komen group, but it's still good.
2012-02-07 10:53:09 AM  
1 vote:

Dusk-You-n-Me: Link (new window)


Crazy. I am a big fan of "Spending more time with family" jokes, and submitted this out of tradition. (I previously had the Herman Cain, John Ensign and Mitt Romney in 2008 headlines that relied on the same base joke). Great minds, I suppose.

Her resignation letter is hilarious, in a sad way: karenhandelkomen.com
 
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