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(AP) NewsFlash Karen Handel resigns from Komen for the Cure to spend more time making decisions for your family   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 371
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2012-02-07 12:35:13 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: That's nice, but do you have a link that shows that policy was in place before Handel was hired?


There are rumblings of Ari Fleischer having been involved in the executive headhunting that brought Handel in.

According to a source with first-hand knowledge, Fleischer drilled prospective candidates during their interviews on how they would handle the controversy about Komen's relationship with Planned Parenthood.

Fleischer's relationship with Komen and the Planned Parenthood controversy was previously undisclosed. He confirmed to ThinkProgress his recent role in filling a key communication position at Komen.
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According to a source, during at least one interview, Planned Parenthood was a major topic of conversation. Fleischer indicated that he had discussed the Planned Parenthood issue with Komen's CEO, Nancy Brinker, and that she was at her wits end about how to proceed. Fleischer described himself as a longtime friend of Brinker.


So, it is possible that Handel was brought on to do a hatchet job for SGK. On the other hand, if they're using former Bush administration officials who dislike Planned Parenthood to begin with, there's a possibility that both sides are right.
 
2012-02-07 12:36:05 PM  

lohphat: tukatz:
Strangely, every type of cancer has it's own color. It's like a weird rainbow war.

Which color is the colon cancer ribbon?


Brown
 
2012-02-07 12:37:22 PM  

Dinkledort: Ah yes, and the media hit is complete. Let's just continue to ignore the fact that all she tried to, as head of a non-political charity organization, was discontinue funding for one of the most politically polarizing organizations in the country - one that doesn't even provide mammograms. Did someone mention that her decision may have in any small way been an attempt not to lose donations from evil Christians who hate all women and want them to die? Well then her disgraced resignation is not nearly enough. Let's all cross our fingers and hope she DIAF. That'll learn her or anyone to not give money to the leading provider of abortions in the country, a procedure that a large percentage of Americans truly believe is murder.


Cry moar, emo conservative. I'll cross my fingers and hope you DIAF.
 
2012-02-07 12:38:27 PM  
HOL candidate already? Hooray!
 
2012-02-07 12:39:11 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: HOL candidate already? Hooray!


Headline Of Life?
 
2012-02-07 12:41:50 PM  
AJC is reporting that she will hold a press conference this afternoon to discuss the situation.

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GINGER, GET THE POPCORN!
 
2012-02-07 12:42:00 PM  

meat0918: Amazing.

Keep this up, and the people will think they actually have power when they band together as a collective.

//Resistance is no longer futile.


I know it's popular to blast Facebook, but I started using it last night to spread the word about some shiat the power company is pulling. Amazingly easy and effective. Never really used it before that, but definitely will in the future.

/There goes the "Them that gots the gold makes the rules" rule. (:
 
2012-02-07 12:42:15 PM  

Dinkledort: Ah yes, and the media hit is complete. Let's just continue to ignore the fact that all she tried to, as head of a non-political charity organization, was discontinue funding for one of the most politically polarizing organizations in the country - one that doesn't even provide mammograms. Did someone mention that her decision may have in any small way been an attempt not to lose donations from evil Christians who hate all women and want them to die? Well then her disgraced resignation is not nearly enough. Let's all cross our fingers and hope she DIAF. That'll learn her or anyone to not give money to the leading provider of abortions in the country, a procedure that a large percentage of Americans truly believe is murder.


Hey I know you're late to the party but the conservative talking point is that Handel had nothing to do with the policy and she's being thrown under the bus. Now you are saying Handel was instrumental in trying to push the Planned Parenthood defunding? You should probably get a bit more organized with your right-wing buddy, Balchinian.
 
2012-02-07 12:43:33 PM  

Dinkledort: Ah yes, and the media hit is complete. Let's just continue to ignore the fact that all she tried to, as head of a non-political charity organization, was discontinue funding for one of the most politically polarizing organizations in the country - one that doesn't even provide mammograms. Did someone mention that her decision may have in any small way been an attempt not to lose donations from evil Christians who hate all women and want them to die?


You're trolling a bit too hard to get many bites, I think, but I'll take some pity on you.

The claim that PP doesn't provide mammograms is a half-truth at best. As various PP workers have noted in previous threads, some PP facilities do, in fact, have mammograms on the facility. The rest, however, do pre-screenings and then provide referrals to mammogram facilities. Much in the same way that most general practitioners do when they refer their own patients to such facilities.

On the second point: being non-political means being politically neutral. You don't get to take a political stance and then pretend that it isn't one. That's what SGK tried to get away with and that's one of the reasons that people are especially pissed: they didn't just defund an organization that has a proven track record of screening poor women; they did so in a way that was guaranteed to insult every doner's intelligence in the process.

Clearly they did think that they would make up for lost donation from that silent Christian minority that you guys like to fantasize about. The problem, however, is that the actual number of pro-lifers that weren't donating because of their ties to PP were dwarfed by the number of people who didn't have a problem with Komen's funding, before this all started.

It was their decision to engage in a controversial policy change that invited their current woes. Their donor base wasn't polarized before this started, but it sure as hell is now. If their goal was to avoid controversy, they did it in the exact same way that a pyromaniac avoids fire.
 
2012-02-07 12:44:08 PM  

Shadowknight: She is going to get a job in some other Right Wing think-tank or over at Fox News, have no doubt about that.


Really she's not blonde.

/late to the thread hope no one else said this yet.
 
Bf+
2012-02-07 12:46:13 PM  
Nice damage control.
They should have just slapped a pink ribbon on this guy:
www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com
 
2012-02-07 12:48:36 PM  
Who?
 
2012-02-07 12:50:09 PM  
I called this one two days ago.
 
2012-02-07 12:50:27 PM  
She is bad but the government forcing Catholics to violate their conscience is good, right?
 
2012-02-07 12:51:43 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: She is bad but the government forcing Catholics to violate their conscience is good, right?


As a technical Catholic, my conscience tells me that letting the Catholic church make decisions about its members lives rarely ends well.
 
2012-02-07 12:51:47 PM  

lennavan: Glockgraduation: I think they are concerned with Planned Parenthood's ability to drum up an army of activists at the drop of a hat that hold such public sway that they effectively dictate their (SGK's) policy, and now have successfully gotten one of their executives to quit. All over something like a 650k grant. I think what SGK was afraid of was losing power over their own operations, and surprise! Their fears were proven true. They are now at the mercy of PP and their agenda.

You're either stupid or a hack. I'm guessing stupid and here's why. You actually think the backlash was done by Planned Parenthood.

If you were just a hack, you would know the backlash was done by the general public that supports planned parenthood and that (GASP), SGK is at the mercy of their donors who also support planned parenthood and women in general. If you were just a hack, you would know that but pretend like you didn't know that and pretend like it's a planned parenthood conspiracy and whatnot.

But I don't think so. I think you're really just stupid and you didn't put any thought into it and actually think Planned Parenthood orchestrated the backlash. I think that because your post comes across as serious, as in this is what you actually believe.

Teehee.


Here's what I think. I think PP has a lot of effective programs and does a lot of good work, but I'm bothered by how their most vocal supporters have effectively made it so that anyone who questions the way they do things is branded anti women's health, or some sort of right wing extremist. This is an organization that had over 350 million in income in 08, and enjoys broad grass roots support with the ability to raise more at the drop of a hat (as recent events have shown), and yet when SGK wants to reconsider 650k in funding everyone goes into hysterics. SGK has said it wasn't politically motivated, and maybe they are full of shiat, but regardless, I think an organization should have the right to re-examine their granting practices without getting immediately tossed under the bus.

I recently saw that bloomberg is giving a 250k gift to make up for what would have been lost by pulling this grant, and his reasoning was "politics have no place in health care" which is what I think is the line a lot of people protesting SGK are taking, but I'm amazed at this, because I think that's what SGK wanted in the first place: to distance themselves from the politics of PP. PP is under government investigation. Interestingly, that's the line people who argue against govt. funding of PP say as well: Politics has no place in health care. I think PPs supporters agree that politics has no place in health care, unless in comes to their funding.
 
2012-02-07 12:52:40 PM  
I don't think the issue is going to go away now that they brought Ari officially on board. He seems to be half the problem.

On February 3, 2012, Think Progress reported that Fleischer was secretly involved in the Komen Foundation's strategy regarding Planned Parenthood. Fleischer personally interviewed candidates for the position of "Senior Vice President for Communications and External Relations" at Komen last December. According to a source with first-hand knowledge, Fleischer drilled prospective candidates during their interviews on how they would handle the controversy about Komen's relationship with Planned Parenthood.

Fleischer's relationship with Komen and the Planned Parenthood controversy was previously undisclosed. He confirmed to ThinkProgress his recent role in filling a key communication position at Komen. Fleischer stressed, however, another communications firm (Ogilvy PR) was retained by Komen to deal with crisis communications and he had not been involved.

In November, Komen advertised for a top level communications position in Roll Call. Promising applicants received a call from Fleischer. The advertisement is no longer posted on the Roll Call website, but a portion is accessible via Google.

According to a source, during at least one interview, Planned Parenthood was a major topic of conversation. Fleischer indicated that he had discussed the Planned Parenthood issue with Komen's CEO, Nancy Brinker, and that she was at her wits end about how to proceed. Fleischer described himself as a longtime friend of Brinker. Fleischer confirmed to ThinkProgress that he would receive a fee from Komen when the search was complete. Fleischer did not specify the amount of his fee but said it would be "substantially below the normal placement fee charged by executive search companies" because "they're a charity I believe in."

Fleischer's high-level involvement with Komen further complicates its image as an apolitical cancer charity. In his book, Taking Heat, Fleischer criticized Planned Parenthood as a partisan, ideological organization that receives undeserved positive coverage in the press. In 2001, Fleischer said that the Clinton administration verged too far to the left on family planning efforts because "if Planned Parenthood wanted it, the previous administration favored it."


As others have said, I'll be donating differently in the future.
 
2012-02-07 12:53:02 PM  
I support curing breast cancer by putting a pink ribbon on my car.

Its right next to the yellow ribbon that shows my support for our troops!
 
2012-02-07 12:53:24 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: She is bad but the government forcing Catholics to violate their conscience is good, right?


Nobody wants to force anyone to get or fund an abortion, you stupid twat.
 
2012-02-07 12:53:39 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: She is bad but the government forcing Catholics to violate their conscience is good, right?


A true catholic would never even consider an abortion, nor would they attempt to interfere with someone who considers having one. Christ never said word one about abortion. I figure if he considered it important, he'd have mentioned it.
 
2012-02-07 12:55:10 PM  

vernonFL: I support curing breast cancer by putting a pink ribbon on my car.

Its right next to the yellow ribbon that shows my support for our troops!


Hey, I'm going to show my support for the troops and the boobies by updated by Facebook status!

/farking hate those AWs who post those stupid "if you support _____________ copy and paste this as your own status!" messages.
//if you really hated child abuse, you'd donate some money instead of posting a useless FB status update.
 
2012-02-07 12:55:59 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: She is bad but the government forcing Catholics to violate their conscience is good, right?


That's a nice attempt to threadjack, but that's not the topic at hand. Nothing about the SGK controversy has a damned thing to do with government funding.
 
2012-02-07 12:56:15 PM  

Weaver95: STRYPERSWINE: She is bad but the government forcing Catholics to violate their conscience is good, right?

A true catholic would never even consider an abortion, nor would they attempt to interfere with someone who considers having one. Christ never said word one about abortion. I figure if he considered it important, he'd have mentioned it.


Oh Weaver, Christians don't bother reading the words Jesus DID say, like such as "Love thy neighbor" and "let he who is sinless cast the first stone." Why would you think they'd pay attention to the words he DIDN'T say?
 
2012-02-07 12:56:47 PM  
good lord STRYPERSWINE is still around? That guys like, my original ignore list guy.

Quit quoting him.
 
2012-02-07 12:57:09 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: vernonFL: I support curing breast cancer by putting a pink ribbon on my car.

Its right next to the yellow ribbon that shows my support for our troops!

Hey, I'm going to show my support for the troops and the boobies by updated by Facebook status!

/farking hate those AWs who post those stupid "if you support _____________ copy and paste this as your own status!" messages.
//if you really hated child abuse, you'd donate some money instead of posting a useless FB status update.


or you could look up your state's "Megan's Law" website, find the address of a convicted child sexual predator out on parole, and go murder him. that's how you really show you care.
 
2012-02-07 12:57:30 PM  
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, beeeeeeeee-otch
 
2012-02-07 12:59:21 PM  

Glockgraduation: SGK has said it wasn't politically motivated, and maybe they are full of shiat, but regardless, I think an organization should have the right to re-examine their granting practices without getting immediately tossed under the bus.


They were full of shiat and lying about why they yanked the grants, as is obvious by Handel's resignation and the fact that they singled out PP. There is no need to blame the victim for what occurred.
 
2012-02-07 12:59:22 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Glockgraduation: Generation_D: Glockgraduation: Planned Parenthood is a lightning rod for controversy. They are always involved in all sorts of litigation and just mentioning their name is sure to get you into some sort of fight at the dinner table. All politics aside, why would any board looking out for the best interests of their organization want anything to do with them?

Uh, because both organizations work to prevent breast cancer? Atleast one does.

Are you insinuating that because they wanted to withdraw a 650k grant from Planned Parenthood that they no longer are in the business of preventing breast cancer? This is a 400 million dollar organization.

Nobody is insinuating that. They're outright saying it. It was a pure political move, nothing to do with helping women or preventing/curing breast cancer.


C'mon, just a quick wikipedia shows that they put 280 million last fiscal year towards research, education, screening and treatment. They've given 2 billion towards prevention since they were formed. Saying they have nothing to do with helping women anymore is a bit rich.
 
2012-02-07 01:04:22 PM  

Z Rowsdower: Simple question -
At the organizational level, how is Karen Handel's abuse of power regarding Planned Parenthood any different than Obama's abuse of power forcing Catholics to use contraception?


Say, what? When did Obama pass a law forcing Catholics to use birth control? Oh wait, he didn't.
 
2012-02-07 01:04:35 PM  
As a man with a lump under my left nipple I'm getting a kick out of this thread.
 
2012-02-07 01:04:58 PM  

Generation_D: I wonder if anyone out there wants to forgive the rest of the Komen board and/or senior leadership. The whole fiasco makes clear that Handel had many believers, all of whom are still in power at Komen. And all of whom approved of this funding jihad/purity test policy.
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The Komen schtick seemed kind of hinky from the beginning. Now I know why.
 
2012-02-07 01:05:20 PM  

Z Rowsdower: Simple question -
At the organizational level, how is Karen Handel's abuse of power regarding Planned Parenthood any different than Obama's abuse of power forcing Catholics to use contraception?


don't know why even bother but I don't think Obama is forcing anybody to use contraception. Do you really think Obama goes door to door and jams an IUD up every catholic woman's vagina, personally?
 
2012-02-07 01:05:23 PM  
Chances of running for the Republican presidential nomination for the 2016 election: 100%.
 
2012-02-07 01:05:59 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: DjangoStonereaver: HOL candidate already? Hooray!

Headline Of Life?


HeadLi....

Oh felgercarb. I messed up.
 
2012-02-07 01:06:01 PM  

Generation_D: good lord STRYPERSWINE is still around? That guys like, my original ignore list guy.

Quit quoting him.


Someone is rotating through their alts and dusted off Stripperwhine for the lulz.
 
2012-02-07 01:07:00 PM  

Glockgraduation: C'mon, just a quick wikipedia shows that they put 280 million last fiscal year towards research, education, screening and treatment. They've given 2 billion towards prevention since they were formed. Saying they have nothing to do with helping women anymore is a bit rich.


If the only way to help women was to donate to Komen, I'd swallow my bile and continue donating to them. However, there are plenty of other options, which all amount to bypassing the SGK middleman and donating directly to those organizations that are doing the work. Indeed, it seems so obvious, now, that I wonder why we weren't doing that in the first place.

You guys need to stop pretending that this is some sort of zero-sum game where we either give money to Komen or we cut off funding to cancer research entirely. Since that's not the case, I see no reason that I should choose not to provide money to an organization that's opted to play political games with my money.
 
2012-02-07 01:07:03 PM  
Freepers are kinda going nuts.
 
2012-02-07 01:07:21 PM  

Glockgraduation: Here's what I think.


Tragedy, you posted an honest reply. I guess this is where I apologize for being a dick in my previous post, since an honest discussion might ensue.

Glockgraduation: I'm bothered by how their most vocal supporters have effectively made it so that anyone who questions the way they do things is branded anti women's health, or some sort of right wing extremist


You have an interesting definition for the phrase "anyone who questions." So far I've seen the federal government try to pull all funding or shut them down entirely and I've seen SGK pull all of their funding. That's significantly different and worse than simply "questioning the way they do things" right?

So do you have an actual example of anyone who is simply questioning the way they are doing things? And can demonstrate how someone who simply questioned the way they did things was labeled as anti-women's health/right wing extremist?

Glockgraduation: yet when SGK wants to reconsider 650k in funding everyone goes into hysterics


For context, people have hated SGK long before this. There's even a documentary chastising it long in the works. Link (new window) You make it sound like the hatred is so sudden.

SGK wants to reconsider? You mean pull entirely. They pulled the funding entirely. They didn't question PP, they didn't want to know more, they simply pulled it. So thus far, I think you've portrayed the argument in a very dishonest manner.

Glockgraduation: SGK has said it wasn't politically motivated, and maybe they are full of shiat


They are and that's the point. Yes people like PP but it's not about PP, it's about political motivation in a breast cancer charity. People don't want a breast cancer charity to use their donated money to push a political agenda. Shock and dismay, they want a breast cancer charity to help fight breast cancer.

Glockgraduation: because I think that's what SGK wanted in the first place: to distance themselves from the politics of PP. PP is under government investigation


The football program at Penn state systematically raped and subsequently covered up the rape of many children. Penn State is under federal investigation. SGK gave 7.5 million to Penn State and hasn't pulled that yet. How do you explain that, without concluding it's politically motivated? The only thing I can think of is to think that raping boys is significantly better than providing abortions or something because if they are anywhere near in comparison, SGK should have pulled Penn State funding.

Glockgraduation: that's the line people who argue against govt. funding of PP say as well: Politics has no place in health care.


I don't recall a single person ever in the history of the world saying that. I might be off by one or two people but not much more than that. The line arguing against it was government has no business funding abortions and part of what PP does is abortions.
 
2012-02-07 01:07:50 PM  
Rich old men: it's why men's cancer research has been better funded for longer and doesn't need the media exposure as well as female-specific cancer research.
 
2012-02-07 01:08:08 PM  

IronOcelot: Freepers are kinda going nuts.


Well, they're Freepers. That's what it's like over there.
 
2012-02-07 01:09:05 PM  

Z Rowsdower: Simple question -
At the organizational level, how is Karen Handel's abuse of power regarding Planned Parenthood any different than Obama's abuse of power forcing Catholics to use contraception?


And here's our second troll of the day using this non-sequitur of an argument.

I guess the new talking points memo got released. I wonder what the spin will be two hours from now.
 
2012-02-07 01:10:43 PM  

IronOcelot: Freepers are kinda going nuts.


yeah, but they started off crazy and went downhill from there.
 
2012-02-07 01:10:57 PM  

theorellior: IronOcelot: Freepers are kinda going nuts.

Well, they're Freepers. That's what it's like over there.

True... True.

They seem to be convinced that ShariaLawAtheistIslamoCommie Bots are going to be running amok ripping babies straight from women's wombs to make fetus meat sammiches.

Which one of you farkers spilled the beans??
 
2012-02-07 01:12:08 PM  
dtdstudios.com
 
2012-02-07 01:12:38 PM  
Too little too late. Like WAY too late, and WAY too little.

I haven't trusted most "charitable organizations" since I found out how much most of them pay their executives. Come on. If you really believe in whatever cause, donate your time. But that wouldn't be any fun, would it ;)
 
2012-02-07 01:13:08 PM  
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Guh Gurr Gah Gurr Guh Gurr Gah Gur Guh Guurrrrrrrrr..
 
2012-02-07 01:13:38 PM  

IronOcelot: They seem to be convinced that ShariaLawAtheistIslamoCommie Bots are going to be running amok ripping babies straight from women's wombs to make fetus meat sammiches.


That kind of hysterical hyperbole would be rather amusing if a significant portion of this country didn't believe it was Gospel Truth.
 
2012-02-07 01:16:27 PM  

theorellior: IronOcelot: They seem to be convinced that ShariaLawAtheistIslamoCommie Bots are going to be running amok ripping babies straight from women's wombs to make fetus meat sammiches.

That kind of hysterical hyperbole would be rather amusing if a significant portion of this country didn't believe it was Gospel Truth.


In-farking-deed.
I cant wait to hear my father in law have a pants shiatting aneurysm about this and insist we buy gold and stock up on ammo and bibles.
 
2012-02-07 01:18:53 PM  

IronOcelot: Freepers are kinda going nuts.


Going?

lennavan: The football program at Penn state systematically raped and subsequently covered up the rape of many children. Penn State is under federal investigation. SGK gave 7.5 million to Penn State and hasn't pulled that yet. How do you explain that, without concluding it's politically motivated? The only thing I can think of is to think that raping boys is significantly better than providing abortions or something because if they are anywhere near in comparison, SGK should have pulled Penn State funding.


The only point I'll grant SGK in this is that the grant of $7.5 million was awarded in 2008 and due to be given over 5 years, before any of this recent policy change stuff started happening. Has SGK made the payment for 2012 yet? Have they decided to pull the payment for 2013?
 
2012-02-07 01:19:02 PM  
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