namatad: oh wait
we will never have a revolution until things get really bad

/back to sleep

so what should the cops be charged with? Unlawful arrest, filing a false report, possibly tampering with evidence. What else?

Why don't we have video cameras which can upload the action while it's being recorded to a safe, undeleteable by police, place?

You lost me a "occupy"...

/SOOOO last year

We are all Carlos Miller now.

Weaver95: I wonder how our local authoritarians will try and spin this one?

"He was asking for it by refusing to obey a lawful order"

It's what they always use to justify the unjustifiable

susler: Why don't we have video cameras which can upload the action while it's being recorded to a safe, undeleteable by police, place?

umm, we do. My cell phone automatically uploads all photos and videos I take to my email address.

ultraholland: so what should the cops be charged with? Unlawful arrest, filing a false report, possibly tampering with evidence. What else?

Racketeering offenses under RICO include obstruction of justice, obstruction of criminal investigations, tampering with a witness, and retaliating against a witness.

High explosive cameras that detonate when you push the delete button would be funny. And illegal.

Weaver95: susler: Why don't we have video cameras which can upload the action while it's being recorded to a safe, undeleteable by police, place?

i'd rather develop an application that distributes video automatically to everyone around you. that way the cops have to arrest every cell phone within a 2 kilometer radius to be sure that they got it all.

First they'll need to design some cell phone handcuffs.

ultraholland
so what should the cops be charged with? Unlawful arrest, filing a false report, possibly tampering with evidence. What else?

A medal of excellent service.

Tidbits like this always get me:

The case may further entrench the growing consensus that the Constitution protects the right to record the actions of police officers in public.

I know there are asinine wire-tapping laws that pop up here every now and then, but how in the hell do the citizens not have an absolute agreement that public officials, especially those with the power to incarcerate or kill, should be recorded? This "consensus" shouldn't be growing, it should be as big as it could possibly get.

ultraholland: so what should the cops be charged with? Unlawful arrest, filing a false report, possibly tampering with evidence. What else?

Most likely nothing - More than likely they will put on paid administration leave for a little while and then put back on duty. Woohoo - free paid vacation!

2wolves: Weaver95: so this is who we are now....

What do you mean "we" white man?

Okay, I've always wondered if people are trying to be condescending or insulting when they say "white man". Its really not that offensive. In fact I can't think of one racist or condescending term to refer to white people.

Someone on Reddit mentioned www.qik.com - uploads your video right away so the police can't delete it.

zedster: how do you arrest someone for just resisting arrest and nothing else??

Under an order to disperse, you are essentially trespassing on public property. Since trespassing doesn't apply to public property, you are resisting arrest when you don't... er... disperse. The same goes for unlawful assembly, some examples of "drunk in public," some examples of "disturbing the peace," and most camping-in-city-limits violations.

Weaver95: Ennuipoet: Weaver95: so this is who we are now....

Yup, and it is universal. Cops have been waging war against journalist and citizen journalist since the Rodney King incident. The difference is now the technology is so ubiquitous they can't catch us all.

I not enthusiastic about getting my ass beat by the cops, but sometimes you have to take one for doing the Right Thing. Plus, I can use the fat settlement from the City when it happens.

I wonder how our local authoritarians will try and spin this one?

"Hero derp occupy phags need to suck it up and git a jorb."

Theaetetus: evidence

It'll never happen. Not a damn thing will happen to them. Probably will get a farking medal.

Weaver95: "He was asking for it by refusing to obey a lawful order"

Orders that violate the law are not lawful. That's always the trick, isn't it.

susler: Why don't we have video cameras which can upload the action while it's being recorded to a safe, undeleteable by police, place?

If you built the infrastructure, there's no reason why you couldn't. I think the sticking point would be the remote connection - if you were going to use the internet either you'd need a wifi-type connection you were sure was working, or you'd need something like 3g/4g on the camera itself. You'd have problems with data caps on the second one though... none of the cell network providers want to open themselves up to MORE streaming video. If you didn't want to use the internet then you'd have to have a physical base station nearby... but then you'd either have to run it off of a battery or hope that some local shop or home owner is just going to let you plug in your equipment. Both of those approaches have their own problem.

You'd also need additional processing capacity on the camera itself- presumably you'd want to keep the HD version on the camera itself but compress and stream a low-resolution version, and that compression can be a pretty processor-intensive operation.

So... there's no inherent technical hurdle other than you'd need some very expensive equipment, and if you're that scared about your equipment being lost in the first place you probably don't want to take the really expensive stuff with you.

Weaver95: susler: Why don't we have video cameras which can upload the action while it's being recorded to a safe, undeleteable by police, place?

i'd rather develop an application that distributes video automatically to everyone around you. that way the cops have to arrest every cell phone within a 2 kilometer radius to be sure that they got it all.

Why do you hate the people who live on Paris Hilton's block?

ultraholland
so what should the cops be charged with? Unlawful arrest, filing a false report, possibly tampering with evidence. What else?

Yes, yes, and yes. What will they be charged with? Nothing. Someone may get a short suspension with pay.

The law is different for them. Remember, the UC Davis pepper spray cop blatantly commited assault and battery on an entire group of passive citizens and no criminal charges were filed.

Fubini: So... there's no inherent technical hurdle other than you'd need some very expensive equipment,

Or your standard smart phone..

Backwards Cornfield Races
Okay, I've always wondered if people are trying to be condescending or insulting when they say "white man". Its really not that offensive. In fact I can't think of one racist or condescending term to refer to white people.

You lack imagination, cracker.

The Onanist: Are you sure, Cracker? Well Honkey? What about it, Whitey??

not offended

FTFA: The case may further entrench the growing consensus that the Constitution protects the right to record the actions of police officers in public.

That shouldn't be a "growing consensus", it should be well-recognized fact, the default situation.

ultraholland: so what should the cops be charged with? Unlawful arrest, filing a false report, possibly tampering with evidence. What else?

Aggrivated Dumbfarkery in the first degree (under color of law)

/it SHOULD be, dammit!

The Onanist: Backwards Cornfield Races: In fact I can't think of one racist or condescending term to refer to white people.

Are you sure, Cracker? Well Honkey? What about it, Whitey??

/Off the top of my head.

None of those work though. As Louis CK said "I'm a white man, you can't even hurt my feelings. What can you really call a white man that really digs deep? Hey cracker ... oh ruined my day. Boy shouldn't have called me a cracker, bringing me back to owning land and people what a drag."

Backwards Cornfield Races: 2wolves: Weaver95: so this is who we are now....

What do you mean "we" white man?

Okay, I've always wondered if people are trying to be condescending or insulting when they say "white man". Its really not that offensive. In fact I can't think of one racist or condescending term to refer to white people.

Here's some for your collection:

Haole
gabacho
Güero

HotIgneous Intruder: High explosive cameras that detonate when you push the delete button would be funny. And illegal.

At least you would find out who tired to delete your info.

ultraholland: Tidbits like this always get me:

The case may further entrench the growing consensus that the Constitution protects the right to record the actions of police officers in public.

I know there are asinine wire-tapping laws that pop up here every now and then, but how in the hell do the citizens not have an absolute agreement that public officials, especially those with the power to incarcerate or kill, should be recorded? This "consensus" shouldn't be growing, it should be as big as it could possibly get.

Because you're always going to have a few people that will always see this as something perpetrated by "the undesireables" in society. They see the people that this is being done to and they don't care because it either doesn't affect them directly, or they see things like this being done to people they don't like (protestors, hippies, etc.) and they secretly cheer. As far as they're concerned, law enforcement can do no wrong.

And those people keep voting for whomever foams at the mouth the most about needing more police, more prisons, more guards. And they never, ever stop to think that, sooner or later, it'll be them and theirs affected.

Sticky Hands: Backwards Cornfield Races: 2wolves: Weaver95: so this is who we are now....

What do you mean "we" white man?

Okay, I've always wondered if people are trying to be condescending or insulting when they say "white man". Its really not that offensive. In fact I can't think of one racist or condescending term to refer to white people.

Here's some for your collection:

Haole
gabacho
Güero

The correct response to all of those is simply to shout "La migra" and watch the day laborers scatter.

dancindan84: Weaver95: susler: Why don't we have video cameras which can upload the action while it's being recorded to a safe, undeleteable by police, place?

i'd rather develop an application that distributes video automatically to everyone around you. that way the cops have to arrest every cell phone within a 2 kilometer radius to be sure that they got it all.

Why do you hate the people who live on Paris Hilton's block?

That's hot.

ultraholland: so what should the cops be charged with? Unlawful arrest, filing a false report, possibly tampering with evidence. What else?

Those scamps will probably resist arrest too.