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(Some Guy)   Evangelical Christian Group: If a man busted for a half-gram of cocaine in 1988 still can't get a job in 2010 without involving lawyers, there's a problem with the justice system   (breakpoint.org ) divider line
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11333 clicks; posted to Main » on 07 Feb 2012 at 10:46 AM (4 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2012-02-07 09:11:52 AM  
9 votes:
Likewise, private employers should have to prove "the need for any rule" that discriminates against "someone who has remained crime-free decades after a single offense."

This isn't being "soft on crime" or "indifferent to public safety." It's acknowledging that rehabilitation is not only possible, it will be rewarded. People - like Christians - who know what it is like to be forgiven should understand.


This Atheist agrees.

You know, if more Christian groups showed at least a modicum of introspection and understanding like this one is doing, well, at the least it would give me a much higher opinion of them.
2012-02-07 09:34:50 AM  
8 votes:
Unfortunately our justice system is less about justice or rehabilitation and more about keeping poor people and minorities down and making sure cops lawyers and prison guards have jobs.
2012-02-07 09:17:33 AM  
5 votes:
That guy almost sounds like what "real" Christians suppose themselves to be.
2012-02-07 10:49:28 AM  
4 votes:
Forgiveness? How, very... Christian of you.

Seriously though, why the fark should employers get access to crime records after the incident? The best way to keep someone from going back to jail is to give them a job. And you usually can't get a job with a criminal record.
2012-02-07 10:13:01 AM  
4 votes:

vernonFL: Unfortunately our justice system is less about justice or rehabilitation and more about keeping poor people and minorities down and making sure cops lawyers and prison guards have jobs.


I was just listening to this NPR segment. It was really, really interesting, and definitely worth a listen for the people that have time.

Basically, the gist of the book (as I understood it) was, America does sweeps and arrests young black men (when the drug rates are similar to white college students), crank up the charges on them, and that makes it legal to discriminate against them.

Thus, these black men can be denied food stamps, housing assistance, and employment. And if anyone in their families get those benefits, they may be taken away if they're caring for someone convicted of one of these felonies, which tends to break up families and force estrangement.

The interview (and presumably book) goes into much more detail.
2012-02-07 09:21:33 AM  
4 votes:
There is something to be said for letting things go. Unfortunately, people don't understand that most normal people learn from their mistakes and move past them to become a better person. Why do morons always end up in charge?
2012-02-07 10:09:38 AM  
3 votes:
Bravo. If you do your time, that should be it (with some exceptions - like sex offenders running a daycare, but then diddlers should never be let out).
2012-02-07 12:14:15 PM  
2 votes:
Bravo for a faith based organization actually doing something to HELP promote acceptance, compassion and cooperation. You are truly doing Jesus' work.

/Atheist
2012-02-07 11:30:17 AM  
2 votes:
Evangelical Christian Group: We shouldn't discriminate in employing convicted criminals.

Evangelical Christian Group: We must discriminate in employing gay people.*

When Evangelical Talebangelist Christian Groups quit making a living out of using the government to savagely attack your family, friends and neighbors on the irrelevant justification they don't approve of what some people do behind closed doors, maybe then [hero].

Until then, [dumbass].

[* in 29 states it's entirely legal for a boss to say, "You're doing great work but I'm firing you because you're gay."]
2012-02-07 10:50:24 AM  
2 votes:
Funny how conservative Christian Republicans start getting all Jesus-forgives-ey right around the time that the ridiculously punitive laws that THEY PUSHED FOR are being applied to the detriment of a clean-cut middle-aged white guy.

If he was darker than a paper bag and not a Christian, (you know, like Jesus) then what do you think the chances are this group would be claiming the law was too harsh?
2012-02-07 09:46:35 AM  
2 votes:

Howie Spankowitz: That guy almost sounds like what "real" Christians suppose themselves to be.


Don't worry, they redeem themselves with other articles on that website about how homosexuality is evil and how Obama is forcing churches to pay for abortions.
2012-02-07 11:57:07 AM  
1 vote:

Pythagoras: tekmo: [* in 29 states it's entirely legal for a boss to say, "You're doing great work but I'm firing you because you're gay."]

In all 50 states, it's entirely legal for your boss to fire you for any reason.


You probably shouldn't sound so certain of that. What with you being wrong and all.
2012-02-07 11:54:41 AM  
1 vote:
Pythagoras: In all 50 states, it's entirely legal for your boss to fire you for any reason.

Not really, no.


There are very specific laws, which very by state, that outline when you can and cannot fire an employee. In addition, you have to release following your corporate policy, or you open yourself up for a lawsuit.
2012-02-07 11:44:00 AM  
1 vote:
Just in case this article changes your opinion on religion our at least this church, there's always this article.Link (new window)
2012-02-07 11:43:08 AM  
1 vote:

Tumunga: Just my two cents:

Criminals do deserve second chances, AFTER all the people who decided to spend their lives playing by the rules are taken care of. Which means dibs on any and all jobs that are out there.

Yeah, even minor drug offenses count here as well, because there are squares out here (that's what you crack heads call people that won't huff with you, right? Squares?) that haven't, won't, touch drugs that are deemed illegal because it's against the law.


If there's one thing America is founded on, it's a rigid belief that the only way to be a worthwhile person (or nation) is to follow every single rule for every moment of your life.
2012-02-07 11:35:09 AM  
1 vote:

BronyMedic: in hiring convicted felons


Perhaps being caught with a half gram of cocaine shouldn't be a felony.
2012-02-07 11:31:49 AM  
1 vote:
It's like no one here has any idea who Chuck Colson is.
2012-02-07 11:29:45 AM  
1 vote:
Excellent. A+ for getting this one right.

Now, can we get drunk alley pissers and teenage couples off of the sex offender registry?
2012-02-07 11:27:35 AM  
1 vote:

cefm: Funny how conservative Christian Republicans start getting all Jesus-forgives-ey right around the time that the ridiculously punitive laws that THEY PUSHED FOR are being applied to the detriment of a clean-cut middle-aged white guy.

If he was darker than a paper bag and not a Christian, (you know, like Jesus) then what do you think the chances are this group would be claiming the law was too harsh?


Break Point (where the submission is posted) was started by Chuck Colson, who also started Prison Fellowship. That name probably doesn't ring a bell if you're under 50, but Colson was considered to be Richard Nixon's "hatchet man" and did a short stint in the pokey for his involvement in Watergate. It was around that same time that he became an evangelical Christian.

Anyway, Colson and Prison Fellowship have been involved in prison reform for going on four decades now. I know this might come as a surprise, but not all Christians (even conservative Christians) share exactly same concerns, values, biases, and political goals.

But, if it makes you feel better about yourself to deconstruct the good things they are trying to accomplish by tarring them with a stereotype, who am I to stand in your way?
2012-02-07 11:25:15 AM  
1 vote:

CoonAce: Like Godscrack's pic implies...

The criminal justice system is like a shiat sandwich. The more bread you got, the less shiat you have to eat.


excellent analogy and sadly all too true. if that white boy 80's coke user came from a family of wealth and/or power he never would have seen a jail cell.

those in charge: better than us, long before we were born.
2012-02-07 11:20:16 AM  
1 vote:

sweetmelissa31: Howie Spankowitz: That guy almost sounds like what "real" Christians suppose themselves to be.

Don't worry, they redeem themselves with other articles on that website about how homosexuality is evil and how Obama is forcing churches to pay for abortions.


true but at least its a step in the right direction. And better than most evangelicals.
2012-02-07 11:14:31 AM  
1 vote:
Reading some of the comments here...

It's a rare day when a Christian group seems like the most sensible ones in any Fark thread.
2012-02-07 11:13:06 AM  
1 vote:

SurfaceTension: You know, if more Christian groups showed at least a modicum of introspection and understanding like this one is doing, well, at the least it would give me a much higher opinion of them.


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2012-02-07 11:12:53 AM  
1 vote:
Like Godscrack's pic implies...

The criminal justice system is like a shiat sandwich. The more bread you got, the less shiat you have to eat.
2012-02-07 11:03:10 AM  
1 vote:

jaylectricity: Nope. You broke the law. You should have thought of that beforehand. Why not let everybody break one law before we require them to "grow up"?


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2012-02-07 11:00:19 AM  
1 vote:

ZAZ: a Massachusetts law limits "employers' access to information about convictions to 5 years for misdemeanors and 10 years for felonies."

I think this guy would still be screwed in Massachusetts because schools have special background checks. I'd have to read up on the law as enacted to be sure, but I rememer that detail from an early version of the bill.


He is screwed because the law refers to convictions. Have you noticed employers say "arrested" and gave free access to all arrest reports?
2012-02-07 10:49:46 AM  
1 vote:
Obvious tag wants to have the Hero tags babies.
2012-02-07 10:45:20 AM  
1 vote:

jaylectricity: Sounds like built-in excuses.


Why? If someone is out of prison, it would be better for society to have that person be a productive member rather than homeless and potentially committing crimes again.
2012-02-07 10:44:36 AM  
1 vote:

sweetmelissa31: jaylectricity: Nope. You broke the law. You should have thought of that beforehand. Why not let everybody break one law before we require them to "grow up"?

Because it's better for society to rehabilitate people?


no no.

One mistake should doom someone for their entire lives. NObody can ever, ever change and if that means making millions and millions of people unemployable, then so be it. This guy doesn't mind paying for their welfare since they'll never be able to get another job, nor does he mind paying for their prison once they realize that there is no opportunity for them besides crime.
2012-02-07 10:43:49 AM  
1 vote:

jaylectricity: Nope. You broke the law. You should have thought of that beforehand. Why not let everybody break one law before we require them to "grow up"?


Yeah, f*ck him....just put a bullet in his head.
2012-02-07 10:20:53 AM  
1 vote:

Mugato: Lionel Mandrake: (with some exceptions - like sex offenders running a daycare, but then diddlers should never be let out)

I don't want to white knight sex offenders but are you talking about the guy who took his ball sack out at a Chuck E Cheese or the drunk who took a piss in an alley during Mardi Gras? Cause they're on the same list.

No I'm not on the list.

Did take a piss in an alley during Mardi Gras but got away with it.


Oh, I know. A buddy of mine almost ended up on that list because he took a leak (behind a tree) in a park when some kids were practicing soccer like 300 yards away.

I'm talking about actual diddlers. Sexual contact with children. Kiddie rapists.
2012-02-07 10:15:28 AM  
1 vote:

Lionel Mandrake: (with some exceptions - like sex offenders running a daycare, but then diddlers should never be let out)


I don't want to white knight sex offenders but are you talking about the guy who took his ball sack out at a Chuck E Cheese or the drunk who took a piss in an alley during Mardi Gras? Cause they're on the same list.

No I'm not on the list.

Did take a piss in an alley during Mardi Gras but got away with it.
2012-02-07 10:07:59 AM  
1 vote:
This logic only breeds more crime. After all, he can always go into selling drugs since he cannot get a job. I don't think cocaine stops you from holding public office. It might even help.
 
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