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2012-02-07 10:40:57 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: stoli n coke: SevenizGud: The GOP is so dumb. It's like they didn't get the message of the 2010 elections.

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Oh wait....

and why they have a current approval rating that's just to the north of brussel sprouts, prostate exams, and Kid Rock.

Brussel sprouts aren't that bad

/agree on the other two, though


Fry up some thick cut bacon in a pan, take the bacon out (leave the grease in), add in some onions and let those turn golden, then throw in a bit of garlic, a big bag of brussel sprouts (halved lengthwise), some pine nuts, the bacon (diced), and some baby portobello mushrooms.
 
2012-02-07 10:41:39 AM

CapnBlues: mrshowrules: A hundred years from now some history teacher is going to have to explain to his class why a movement was fighting against high taxes in a period of historically freaking low taxes, high debt and while tax were in fact being cut further. An anti-socialist movement wanted to protect their socialized health care. Concerned with the debt and spending but against cuts to a defense budget several times larger than the rest of the world's military combined.

I don't envy that teacher.

I do. That would be fun. "No no, you gotta hear the best part. There was this thing that drunk guys did at parties where they put their scrota on each other's passed-out faces, it was called teabagging. And this crazy political movement actually called themselves that at first! They called themselves TEABAGGERS!"

I also assume that by the, deregulation will make it okay to talk filth to high school students. It may even be legal to have sex with them, provided you don't use protection of any kind.


I don't think anybody will believe that a movement could have been that stupid. The historical assumption will be that they were some time of satirical comedy troop with a huge following not intended to be taken seriously.
 
2012-02-07 10:41:40 AM

g4lt: The reason it's called an entitlement, douchebag, is that people have paid for 40 or so years into the FICA system, so are ENTITLED to getting their trust funds back...


But decades of propaganda has made me hate that word so much!
 
2012-02-07 10:42:58 AM

mrshowrules:
A hundred years from now some history teacher is going to have to explain to his class why a movement was fighting against high taxes in a period of historically freaking low taxes, high debt and while tax were in fact being cut further. An anti-socialist movement wanted to protect their socialized health care. Concerned with the debt and spending but against cuts to a defense budget several times larger than the rest of the world's military combined.

I don't envy that teacher.


You obviously think that textbooks aren't subject (no pun intended) to the same stupid political pressures that everything else, everywhere are.

For example, Texas insisted on changes to the history chapter in a textbook to remove all references to budget deficits during the Reagan administration, or they wouldn't allow the book to be used in classrooms. Texas is as big a customer as about 30 other states combined, and it's too expensive to have both "Texas" and "non-Texas" editions, so the book was changed for everybody.

So. Reagan not only proved deficits don't matter, the history books now don't even mention deficits happened under Reagan's term of office.
 
2012-02-07 10:44:34 AM

fracto73: Sock Ruh Tease: Is that like death panels, but Obama's thugs suggest you're so sick that you should probably kill yourself?


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Let Him Die! Let Him Die! Let Him Die!


Is Rick Perry doing the Chicken Dance in that picture?
 
2012-02-07 10:45:04 AM

sprawl15: take the bacon out (leave the grease in)


Noooooooo!!!

...the bacon (diced)...

Oh thank the Lord. You scared me for a sec there!
 
2012-02-07 10:45:44 AM

SevenizGud: Headso: SevenizGud: The GOP is so dumb. It's like they didn't get the message of the 2010 elections.

Yep, they ran on a medicare killing platform for that election. Oh wait..

You are right. They actually ran on the "Obama is the other side" platform.


And then they tried to kill medicare and wage other battles against middle class people with their "mandate". So they are not as popular as they were when they had less power.
 
2012-02-07 10:47:01 AM

Lionel Mandrake: stoli n coke: SevenizGud: The GOP is so dumb. It's like they didn't get the message of the 2010 elections.

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Oh wait....

and why they have a current approval rating that's just to the north of brussel sprouts, prostate exams, and Kid Rock.

Or getting a prostate exam from Kid Rock with dressed as a Brussels sprout .


FTFM
 
2012-02-07 10:50:36 AM

sprawl15: Fry up some thick cut bacon in a pan, take the bacon out (leave the grease in), add in some onions and let those turn golden, then throw in a bit of garlic, a big bag of brussel sprouts (halved lengthwise), some pine nuts, the bacon (diced), and some baby portobello mushrooms.


Oh, yeah... thanks!

/dammit, now I'm hungry
 
2012-02-07 10:55:26 AM
This is what happens when you put an inexperienced child (Ryan) in charge of the most important part of Congress (budget). What do you expect?
 
2012-02-07 10:55:57 AM
On a side note that dumb biatch from the Komen foundation resigned, any total farkers see a thread about it?

and medicare is a good program and stuff.
 
2012-02-07 10:56:42 AM

sprawl15: Fry up some thick cut bacon in a pan, take the bacon out (leave the grease in), add in some onions and let those turn golden, then throw in a bit of garlic, a big bag of brussel sprouts (halved lengthwise), some pine nuts, the bacon (diced), and some baby portobello mushrooms.

, eat bacon.

Yum!
 
2012-02-07 10:57:57 AM
That doesn't seem smart. If you fark it before you barter it for health care, I imagine it will have less value.
 
2012-02-07 10:58:07 AM

CapnBlues: beerrun: CapnBlues: every now and again, i realize that we have a real, sincere fight in this country about whether children should get healthcare when they're sick, regardless of whether their parents are able to get them insurance or not. Do you realize that? It's a real argument, whether not kids get healthcare. Some people honestly think that children should not be guaranteed healthcare. They can look in the mirror every morning and know that they favor the preventable deaths and oppose the general health and wellness of children.

That's amazing to me.

The GOP only care about children if they're an unborn fetus.
Once they're born, and living in society, fark 'em.

I just wonder if their voters realize what they're really voting for. I don't think they even think it through that far. Like, the fetuses they're trying to turn into babies... those babies turn into children with real healthcare needs, I don't think they really consider it that far. This is where conservatives are just stupid. Really. It's a flat-out lack of mental capacity to consider the issues beyond the most basic terms. I'm done trying to sugarcoat it or think of it in any other terms. The leaders are evil, the voters are stupid.


Abortion is the red meat that the GOP waves in front of the rabid evangelicals and tea party base. They beat the public about the head and shoulders with the whole pro-life agenda until that's all anyone takes out of their message. The GOP are masters of using wedge issues to get their agenda passed or elected.

It's just a means to an end. After that, they don't care.
 
2012-02-07 11:00:08 AM

BitwiseShift: They're not going to kill Medicare. Just so no doctor will want to swim in that pool anymore.


Dr. Bundeep and his southeast asian peers will step in.

Now please open and do the needful.
 
2012-02-07 11:04:05 AM
People hate republican policies but they elect republicans. I don't get it.

The government really ought to be providing senior health care because seniors as a group do not work in the private market. They are expensive and unable to afford the real cost of insurance. Some means testing tweaks to the system are probably necessary, but putting them on the private market would be a disaster.
 
2012-02-07 11:04:32 AM
Bob Hare once ran a test where he gave intense, painful electric shocks to a group of incarcerated psychopaths, as well as a control group of non-psychopathic prisoners. He gave them a 30-second count-down before each shock, and monitored their brains to observe their emotional state. The control group quickly developed an anxiety and fear response that built over the 30 seconds before each shock, but no matter how many times the psychopaths were zapped, they never developed the same response.

No matter how many times they were injured, the psychopaths were simply unable to establish a cause/effect relationship that would modify their behavior the next time.
 
2012-02-07 11:04:51 AM
Given yesterday's education thread, can this be the thread where all the conservatives placing the blame on student loans for 100% of rising tuition costs will slam the voucher system because it would further hide the true cost to the consumer of purchasing a health plan and thus be responsible for all future medical costs?

A man can dream.
 
2012-02-07 11:06:51 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Bob Hare once ran a test where he gave intense, painful electric shocks to a group of incarcerated psychopaths, as well as a control group of non-psychopathic prisoners. He gave them a 30-second count-down before each shock, and monitored their brains to observe their emotional state. The control group quickly developed an anxiety and fear response that built over the 30 seconds before each shock, but no matter how many times the psychopaths were zapped, they never developed the same response.

No matter how many times they were injured, the psychopaths were simply unable to establish a cause/effect relationship that would modify their behavior the next time.


Psychopaths do tend to be thrill-seekers, extreme sports and that. I think it's low adrenal response, lack of fear.
 
2012-02-07 11:07:47 AM

Corvus: I thought forcing people to buy into a private system is unconstitutional. Or is that only when Obama does it?


The Mayans predicted that one day the GOP will advocate a position that is not hypocritical. On that day, the world will end.
 
2012-02-07 11:08:40 AM

mrshowrules: bulldg4life: Looks an awful lot like the democrats initial proposal for HCR a few years ago. Is that wrong?

Democrats should have opened with single-payer and settled with HCR with public option. As usual, they opened with the compromise and then compromised again for good measure.


HillaryCare failed spectacularly. RomneyCare passed. As a first-term president with limited political capital in a bad economy, which blueprint would you follow? Even old Clinton advisors were telling Obama to take whatever progress he can get.
 
2012-02-07 11:12:07 AM

Headso: sprawl15: Ryan: "I have an idea for cutting the budget, lets eliminate Medicare!"
GOP: "Sure, that only really hurts the poors anyway, and they have safety line or nets or something."
Public: "WTF, damn guy?"
GOP: "Wow, that smarts. We'd better come up with something new!"
Ryan: "I have an idea for cutting the budget, lets eliminate Medicare!"

He keeps reliving his term and he has to do everything right to screw the poor or time will never get out of that loop.


He's the GOP version of Sisyphus.
 
2012-02-07 11:12:41 AM
So this thing is closer to ObamaCare than Ryan's original proposal which was a direct subsidy to insurers. I *might* back something like this if Medicare became the public option ObamaCare lacked. Otherwise, I don't see the point of creating two ObamaCare systems and calling one Medicare.
 
2012-02-07 11:13:01 AM
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President Ryan is going to kill your grandparents in 2016 after he is elected. He's going to try to kill every person bellow Upper Class and make you thank him for it.
 
2012-02-07 11:15:02 AM

g4lt: The reason it's called an entitlement, douchebag, is that people have paid for 40 or so years into the FICA system, so are ENTITLED to getting their trust funds back...


That's, uh... That's not how those actually... You know... Work.

FICA isn't a bank account, it's insurance. The money you pay in doesn't sit around waiting for you to get old. You pay for the current crop of recipients. As more people enter the work force, they pay for those who are retiring out.

But I will definitely agree that people should reap benefit from a system they've spent their entire lives paying into.
 
2012-02-07 11:16:46 AM
Good job, Republicans. You should definitely campaign on banning birth control, attacking Iran, destroying medicare, raising the payroll tax, and keeping the capital gains tax rate at 15%. These are all winning proposals, and you should push them as hard as you can for the next nine months. Nothing could possibly go wrong.
 
2012-02-07 11:17:23 AM

Kuroshin: g4lt: The reason it's called an entitlement, douchebag, is that people have paid for 40 or so years into the FICA system, so are ENTITLED to getting their trust funds back...

That's, uh... That's not how those actually... You know... Work.

FICA isn't a bank account, it's insurance. The money you pay in doesn't sit around waiting for you to get old. You pay for the current crop of recipients. As more people enter the work force, they pay for those who are retiring out.

But I will definitely agree that people should reap benefit from a system they've spent their entire lives paying into.


View it as a paid-up insurance contract. That will help
 
2012-02-07 11:21:38 AM

StopLurkListen: mrshowrules:
A hundred years from now some history teacher is going to have to explain to his class why a movement was fighting against high taxes in a period of historically freaking low taxes, high debt and while tax were in fact being cut further. An anti-socialist movement wanted to protect their socialized health care. Concerned with the debt and spending but against cuts to a defense budget several times larger than the rest of the world's military combined.

I don't envy that teacher.

You obviously think that textbooks aren't subject (no pun intended) to the same stupid political pressures that everything else, everywhere are.

For example, Texas insisted on changes to the history chapter in a textbook to remove all references to budget deficits during the Reagan administration, or they wouldn't allow the book to be used in classrooms. Texas is as big a customer as about 30 other states combined, and it's too expensive to have both "Texas" and "non-Texas" editions, so the book was changed for everybody.

So. Reagan not only proved deficits don't matter, the history books now don't even mention deficits happened under Reagan's term of office.


Interesting. I have also heard some interesting examples of how some of these Southern States address the Civil War in their text books.
 
2012-02-07 11:23:03 AM
Here are all the details of the so-called Ryan-Wyden plan. There are two key differences between this plan and the original Ryan plan. The first is that Ryan-Wyden would preserve a Medicare-like public option as a competitor to private plans in its insurance exchange, and allow seniors to buy into it. The second is that it would leave the rate at which the program's costs are allowed to grow exactly where it is in current law - forcing seniors to pay less out of pocket than would the original Ryan plan.

Public option? Keeping coverage for seniors? What a monster!

So substantively it is, indeed, a step or two left for the GOP. But here's the key: it ultimately hands Medicare's benefit guarantee over to a whimsical market, instead of keeping it in government hands, where it's been for nearly 50 years. It would constitute a massive policy shift to the right. And that's why Democrats abandoned Ron Wyden en masse the day the plan was unveiled.

So medicare would no longer be able to cut spending by underpaying hospitals and shifting the burden to private insurance holders? What a nazi.
 
2012-02-07 11:23:37 AM

mrshowrules: Interesting. I have also heard some interesting examples of how some of these Southern States address the Civil War War of Northern Aggression in their text books.


i wish i were kidding.
 
2012-02-07 11:31:30 AM
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2012-02-07 11:34:08 AM
The GOP should have told the tea partiers to fark off when they had the chance. It might have cost them in 2010, but they'd be better situated to court a larger portion of the electorate this time around. Now, they either double-down on this medicare thing and get hammered even more than they did, or they backtrack on it and have to face even nuttier right wing extremists in a primary fight.
 
2012-02-07 11:35:15 AM

mrshowrules: StopLurkListen: mrshowrules:
A hundred years from now some history teacher is going to have to explain to his class why a movement was fighting against high taxes in a period of historically freaking low taxes, high debt and while tax were in fact being cut further. An anti-socialist movement wanted to protect their socialized health care. Concerned with the debt and spending but against cuts to a defense budget several times larger than the rest of the world's military combined.

I don't envy that teacher.

You obviously think that textbooks aren't subject (no pun intended) to the same stupid political pressures that everything else, everywhere are.

For example, Texas insisted on changes to the history chapter in a textbook to remove all references to budget deficits during the Reagan administration, or they wouldn't allow the book to be used in classrooms. Texas is as big a customer as about 30 other states combined, and it's too expensive to have both "Texas" and "non-Texas" editions, so the book was changed for everybody.

So. Reagan not only proved deficits don't matter, the history books now don't even mention deficits happened under Reagan's term of office.

Interesting. I have also heard some interesting examples of how some of these Southern States address the Civil War in their text books.


In less derpy curricula, the easiest way to explain this movement is "Populism-on-demand, paid for by Republicans like Dick Armey and fueled by the cognitive dissonance of agenda-driven media like Rush Limbaugh."
 
2012-02-07 11:41:36 AM

CapnBlues: I just wonder if their voters realize what they're really voting for. I don't think they even think it through that far. Like, the fetuses they're trying to turn into babies... those babies turn into children with real healthcare needs, I don't think they really consider it that far. This is where conservatives are just stupid. Really. It's a flat-out lack of mental capacity to consider the issues beyond the most basic terms. I'm done trying to sugarcoat it or think of it in any other terms. The leaders are evil, the voters are stupid.


Ever try to raise this argument with them?

They always respond with "Jesus would never let that happen, he loves all of his children soooo much!". Seriously. They've been told, they just substitute an alternate reality in their head.

It's the same people that think that the oil will never run out because Jesus will magically create more.

We're living in a land of lunatics.
 
2012-02-07 11:43:19 AM
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If only that splinter group had remained small...
 
2012-02-07 11:47:56 AM

monoski: Kuroshin: g4lt: The reason it's called an entitlement, douchebag, is that people have paid for 40 or so years into the FICA system, so are ENTITLED to getting their trust funds back...

That's, uh... That's not how those actually... You know... Work.

FICA isn't a bank account, it's insurance. The money you pay in doesn't sit around waiting for you to get old. You pay for the current crop of recipients. As more people enter the work force, they pay for those who are retiring out.

But I will definitely agree that people should reap benefit from a system they've spent their entire lives paying into.

View it as a paid-up insurance contract. That will help


Ehhhhh, but the actual financials of it don't jive like that. I'm all for abstraction when it comes to complex systems, but it's just too much of a stretch for me.

I'll admit this is more of a "me problem" than anything else in this discourse.
 
2012-02-07 11:50:42 AM

MithrandirBooga: CapnBlues: I just wonder if their voters realize what they're really voting for. I don't think they even think it through that far. Like, the fetuses they're trying to turn into babies... those babies turn into children with real healthcare needs, I don't think they really consider it that far. This is where conservatives are just stupid. Really. It's a flat-out lack of mental capacity to consider the issues beyond the most basic terms. I'm done trying to sugarcoat it or think of it in any other terms. The leaders are evil, the voters are stupid.

Ever try to raise this argument with them?

They always respond with "Jesus would never let that happen, he loves all of his children soooo much!". Seriously. They've been told, they just substitute an alternate reality in their head.

It's the same people that think that the oil will never run out because Jesus will magically create more.

We're living in a land of lunatics.


ugh. i live in boston, so fortunately i don't have much opportunity to talk to jesus-freak conservatives. it's expensive here, but it's almost worth it to avoid the rightwing nutbars.
 
2012-02-07 11:51:38 AM

CapnBlues: mrshowrules: Interesting. I have also heard some interesting examples of how some of these Southern States address the Civil War War of Northern Aggression in their text books.

i wish i were kidding.


Holy shiat. I'm afraid to ask but who won?
 
2012-02-07 11:52:47 AM

mrshowrules: CapnBlues: mrshowrules: Interesting. I have also heard some interesting examples of how some of these Southern States address the Civil War War of Northern Aggression in their text books.

i wish i were kidding.

Holy shiat. I'm afraid to ask but who won?


It was a draw. That's what a fella I worked with told me -- he was raised in Alabama. I guess his parents taught him real history at home, because his education at school was so bad.
 
2012-02-07 12:02:29 PM

meat0918: [c1ecolocalizercom.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com image 500x339]

If only that splinter group had remained small...


If only Lyndon Johnson hadn't put Social Security in the general fund to finance the Great Society.
 
2012-02-07 12:04:36 PM

CapnBlues: mrshowrules: CapnBlues: mrshowrules: Interesting. I have also heard some interesting examples of how some of these Southern States address the Civil War War of Northern Aggression in their text books.

i wish i were kidding.

Holy shiat. I'm afraid to ask but who won?

It was a draw. That's what a fella I worked with told me -- he was raised in Alabama. I guess his parents taught him real history at home, because his education at school was so bad.


Lord thundering Jesus tap dancing on a cracker.
 
2012-02-07 12:11:04 PM

mrshowrules: sprawl15: Kuroshin: In defense of Ryan, he's just listening to his constituents:

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A hundred years from now some history teacher is going to have to explain to his class why a movement was fighting against high taxes in a period of historically freaking low taxes, high debt and while tax were in fact being cut further. An anti-socialist movement wanted to protect their socialized health care. Concerned with the debt and spending but against cuts to a defense budget several times larger than the rest of the world's military combined.

I don't envy that teacher.


The teacher? I don't envy the kids. I remember (that is to say I don't) the confusing parts of history and social studies being particularly annoying. Most teachers just gloss over it because it is, in fact, confusing and a sizable proportion of secondary teachers are somewhat... cynical. Or just crap teachers.

In 40 years, we're going to have a generation of kids growing up so farking mixed up about politics their going to think that bicameral is a term for a two-humped desert-dwelling beast of burden and the battle of Gettysburg happened in North Korea.

Poor little bastards.
 
2012-02-07 12:16:52 PM
Something needs to be done, not this, but something, right? Its path is unsustainable right now, even if you take the taxes on the rich to Clinton levels or higher. Hopefully this starts the dialog again and gets us closer to something like Simpson-Bowles or something like it, though I sincerely doubt it because 1) its election season and 2) republicans are squirrel-shiat level nutty. But I would like to see some Medicaire reform sometime soon, hopefully in a comprehensive package taking on taxes, defense spending, and social security - probably not in this congress though.
 
2012-02-07 12:21:23 PM

meat0918: [Eisenhower.jpg] "...Their number is negligible and their ideas are stupid."

If only that splinter group had remained small...


Fun fact: the Kochs' dad was a Bircher.

// "their number" (population) is indeed small
// "their number" (net worth) is not
// I haz a sad
 
2012-02-07 12:24:50 PM

struct: Something needs to be done, not this, but something, right? Its path is unsustainable right now, even if you take the taxes on the rich to Clinton levels or higher. Hopefully this starts the dialog again and gets us closer to something like Simpson-Bowles or something like it, though I sincerely doubt it because 1) its election season and 2) republicans are squirrel-shiat level nutty. But I would like to see some Medicaire reform sometime soon, hopefully in a comprehensive package taking on taxes, defense spending, and social security - probably not in this congress though.


A comprehensive solution is simple. Single payer. US pays twice as much per capita towards health care as all other industrialized Nations which just so happen different forms of socialiazed health care insurance. That is the solution for making health care sustainable in the the US. It isn't rocket science. You don't even have to raise taxes. Americans pay just much in taxes towards health care per capita as Canadians and we have free health care.
 
2012-02-07 12:31:32 PM

struct: But I would like to see some Medicaire reform sometime soon, hopefully in a comprehensive package taking on taxes, defense spending, and social security - probably not in this congress country though.


FTFY. Obama stumped in 2008 on a campaign message of a Public Option, then he had a talk with the hospital lobbies, then he never talked about the Public Option again. Our country is incapable of fixing this problem because our politicians are too dependent on lobbyists to offer a socialist solution, and still too dependent on actually having an electorate that will vote for them to just kill the existing system and let everybody die. Nobody under 30 should be considering a retirement plan that involves remaining in the United States.
 
2012-02-07 12:37:47 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Obama stumped in 2008 on a campaign message of a Public Option, then he had a talk with the hospital lobbies,


I doubt a steel-framed, naugahyde couch would make for terribly interesting conversation. Was the President at least offered some vending machine coffee with a poker hand printed on the side?
 
2012-02-07 12:40:55 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: struct: But I would like to see some Medicaire reform sometime soon, hopefully in a comprehensive package taking on taxes, defense spending, and social security - probably not in this congress country though.

FTFY. Obama stumped in 2008 on a campaign message of a Public Option, then he had a talk with the hospital lobbies, then he never talked about the Public Option again. Our country is incapable of fixing this problem because our politicians are too dependent on lobbyists to offer a socialist solution, and still too dependent on actually having an electorate that will vote for them to just kill the existing system and let everybody die. Nobody under 30 should be considering a retirement plan that involves remaining in the United States.


It's not even really a Socialist solution - none of the Capital is being controlled by Government. All that would be done is to remove worthless for-profit middle-men from the equation.
 
2012-02-07 12:49:41 PM

BeesNuts: mrshowrules: sprawl15: Kuroshin: In defense of Ryan, he's just listening to his constituents:

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NO
TELEPROMPTER
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the fark

A hundred years from now some history teacher is going to have to explain to his class why a movement was fighting against high taxes in a period of historically freaking low taxes, high debt and while tax were in fact being cut further. An anti-socialist movement wanted to protect their socialized health care. Concerned with the debt and spending but against cuts to a defense budget several times larger than the rest of the world's military combined.

I don't envy that teacher.

The teacher? I don't envy the kids. I remember (that is to say I don't) the confusing parts of history and social studies being particularly annoying. Most teachers just gloss over it because it is, in fact, confusing and a sizable proportion of secondary teachers are somewhat... cynical. Or just crap teachers.

In 40 years, we're going to have a generation of kids growing up so farking mixed up about politics their going to think that bicameral is a term for a two-humped desert-dwelling beast of burden and the battle of Gettysburg happened in North Korea.

Poor little bastards.


Hey, I know family structure is changing but some of the will have fathers.
 
2012-02-07 01:18:30 PM
Obamacare is not free.

Only a liberal can not see that.
 
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