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2012-02-07 10:29:31 AM  

The Voice of Doom: Porous Horace
Stupid Javascript. This is the only semi-informative pic I got from that page

Sneak preview:

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Thank you!
That wasn't necessary, I could've always opened the page in firefox, but thanks anyway for the nice gesture. And have a pleasant day.
 
2012-02-07 10:30:03 AM  

Broom: Ficoce: Can anyone tell the reason for the Civil War?

Difficulty; do not mention slavery.


Can anyone tell the reason for the recent economic collapse?

Difficulty: do not mention financial institutions.


Barney Frank?
 
2012-02-07 10:30:12 AM  
I thought the photos were rather poignant. The paintings and such are subject to the artist's rendition.
Just recently read "Uncle Tom's Cabin" and was amazed at the (probably accurate at the time) stereotypes of both fair and dark skinned people.
I also flinched automatically at the casual use of the N-word. It's a significant read, but uncomfortable (as was intended.)
 
2012-02-07 10:38:01 AM  

UNC_Samurai: WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THESE ALL ON ONE PAGE? (new window)


Thank you.
 
2012-02-07 10:39:14 AM  
FTA: "...the president visited the battlefield to press General George McClellan (seen here facing the president) on his failure to pursue the retreating enemy."

McClellan doesn't like the Confederate cavalry, but they sure like singing about him. (^)
 
2012-02-07 10:40:50 AM  

UNC_Samurai: WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THESE ALL ON ONE PAGE? (new window)


Wow, that deslide kajigger is awesome.
 
2012-02-07 10:41:59 AM  

Godscrack: [pic of Henry Wadsworth Longfellow]

My new porn star name.


"A single conversation across the table with a wise man is better than ten years mere study of books." - himself.

That being said, it probably wouldn't hurt you to study a few more books, if you've never heard of him before.
 
2012-02-07 10:42:00 AM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Robert Smalls deserves more than a group photo.



He was a slave in Charleston, and during the war he managed to steal a ship, sailing "The Planter" right out of the harbor.
Lincoln met with him personally, and Smalls went on to become the first black Captain in the US Navy.
He came back to Charleston after the war, and was elected Republican Congressman for the area, serving five terms.
When he retired, he moved to Beaufort, and bought the house of his former master to live in.


Like a boss! Excellent story.
 
2012-02-07 10:45:51 AM  
"In a rare image of President Lincoln at Gettysburg, he is shown hatless at the center of a crowd on the orators' platform"

The President is hatless. I repeat...hatless!
 
2012-02-07 10:47:10 AM  

Ficoce: Can anyone tell the reason for the Civil War?

Difficulty; do not mention slavery.


Nice try, but no one's gonna start that flamewar today. The problem is that while States' Rights, self-determination and the North pissing off the South by slowly solidifying their power through industrial might are definitely true answers, you can't disassociate the desire of having all these from the fact that many of the people who wanted it owned slaves, and that it was their system. Not to mention the whole Appalachian mentality of being pro-Union solely because they were tired of the states they lived in being run by slaveowners who shut them out of everything.

The other big problem is that while we won the war to free the slaves, we didn't ever actually confront the issue that the South will always be a class-driven place, or that the Appalachians will always be contrarian, or that the North will always be a bunch of self-important pricks who want to make the world a better place.

\American Nations by Colin Woodard is a great primer on why the US will always be farked when it comes to the fact that it's really about seven or eight different national mentalities in one
 
2012-02-07 10:49:14 AM  
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2012-02-07 10:49:41 AM  

Broom: Ficoce: Can anyone tell the reason for the Civil War?

Difficulty; do not mention slavery.


Can anyone tell the reason for the recent economic collapse?

Difficulty: do not mention financial institutions.


Good answer! The North had double the population of the South, yet the South controlled 70% of the nations exports - follow the money. Lincoln set the slaves "free", but the Native Americans might have a different story about his ethics.

Then there's that Nationalist thing.
 
2012-02-07 10:50:58 AM  
Robert Smalls deserves more than a group photo.

His great-great-great-great-grandson would become a famous rapper.
 
2012-02-07 11:02:05 AM  
Yeah except that not every American everywhere for the entirety of time was 1 billion percent consumed with racism as this attempts to portray.
 
2012-02-07 11:04:34 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Uh... how about "50 mostly boring images from roughly around the time of the Civil War"


Hell, the first 13 weren't of the Civil War at all. You'd think an article extolling photos about a war would...you know...be about the war. Pictures of paintings and handbills and photos preceeding the war don't count I should think. But then again, the headline was designed to draw the casual viewer and not accurately describe the contents therein.

www.nps.gov
Stone wall at Fredricksburg (before Marye's Heights)

rlv.zcache.com
Contraband burial party at Cold Harbor

0.tqn.com
The Stone Bridge at Antietam where AP Hill's division pushed 3 divisions of Burnside's IX corp back and saved the Confederate army from defeat in detail.

Coulda picked these instead of pictures of Mark Twain...as though he qualifies as a powerful image from the Civil War.
 
2012-02-07 11:05:22 AM  

Ficoce: Can anyone tell the reason for the Civil War?

Difficulty; do not mention slavery.


The south is full of weird retards so we killed a bunch of em.
 
2012-02-07 11:07:19 AM  

orange storm: Link (new window)

I would lie about where I caught him, and get more $$$ from the owner. I do have to wonder, if the owner is from Missouri, hwy his he think the slave will escape to Mississippi? If you are an escaped slave, wouldn't you go north not into the deep south?


Not if he tagged along as a contraband longshoreman on the Mississippi. Depending on when the event happened some escaped slaves tried to make for the Union hold at New Orleans.
 
2012-02-07 11:11:08 AM  

Mistymtnhop: Kraftwerk Orange: Robert Smalls deserves more than a group photo.



He was a slave in Charleston, and during the war he managed to steal a ship, sailing "The Planter" right out of the harbor.
Lincoln met with him personally, and Smalls went on to become the first black Captain in the US Navy.
He came back to Charleston after the war, and was elected Republican Congressman for the area, serving five terms.
When he retired, he moved to Beaufort, and bought the house of his former master to live in.

Like a boss! Excellent story.


Yea it was. I just read the Wiki version. He was a hell of a man and leader.
 
2012-02-07 11:11:19 AM  

Broom: Ficoce: Can anyone tell the reason for the Civil War?

Difficulty; do not mention slavery.


Can anyone tell the reason for the recent economic collapse?

Difficulty: do not mention financial institutions.


Can anyone tell me why I can't walk?

Difficulty: do not mention the double leg amputation.
 
2012-02-07 11:12:22 AM  
Ficoce
Can anyone tell the reason for the Civil War?

Difficulty; do not mention slavery.


Sure, I'll give it a whirl. Pretty much it was started over a fight for political power and economic profits. Northern states had more representation in Congress because they refused to recognize blacks when it came to the population census since they were not entitled to the same rights. The South was not happy about this and thus began the political struggles. Later on as a way to punish Northern states, Southern states began to export their textiles overseas to Europeans who were willing to pay more. Hilarity ensued with export tariffs and the like, and thus succession began.

Now if you do mention slavery, it's because you have to in order to debunk the belief that it was a cause of the war.

Although politically Northern newspapers were pushing the Abolition/Religious aspect pretty hard, Slavery was never a determining issue with the Civil War. Abraham Lincoln while rightly so was against slavery, he himself had said that emancipation was never a priority with the War itself. Robert E. Lee was himself against it, and while he was also against interracial marriages, did say that Blacks needed to be helped by the U.S. Government to acclimate to free life so that they could gain education and truly be equal.

The biggest thing of course too was that for most planation and shipping owners, slaves were just too expensive to upkeep. Slavery isn't a easy life, but owners did still need to provide medical attention for them as well as food and shelter. There are quite a few instances, even as far back as when the French had colonized New Orleans that slaves had to be freed in order to fend for themselves because their owners just didn't have enough food and couldn't let them starve to death (hence the relationships with the Indians). Likewise while the Irish Potato Famine had fueled the U.S.' supply of fresh recruits for the Civil War, before and after the conflict the South was fueled with cheap Irish labor. Collectively Irish labor was far cheaper than slave when you figured how plantation owners no longer had to pay for their care and feeding. Just give them a paycheck, and send them away. Likewise just as it's apprehensible to unnecessarily abuse your livestock, so did this attitude prevail when it came to slaves who were regarded in the same way. However with the Irish, if they got hurt or killed it was cool. They had entered into labor agreements as free men and the responsibilities of health and safety were placed upon them instead. Plus you didn't have to breed and raise the Irish like you did slaves. There was an endless supply of grown, able-bodied men to take the jobs of the fallen.
 
2012-02-07 11:12:57 AM  

Ficoce: Broom: Ficoce: Can anyone tell the reason for the Civil War?

Difficulty; do not mention slavery.


Can anyone tell the reason for the recent economic collapse?

Difficulty: do not mention financial institutions.

Good answer! The North had double the population of the South, yet the South controlled 70% of the nations exports - follow the money. Lincoln set the slaves "free", but the Native Americans might have a different story about his ethics.

Then there's that Nationalist thing.


A shorter answer, and maybe more to the point: the South (or its sympathizers) was losing control of the federal government for the first time since the Van Buren administration.
 
2012-02-07 11:17:47 AM  

Speaker2Animals: Can anyone tell me why I can't walk?


It's better if you think of it as your legs are up in Heaven, holding your place in line.

Although there's no way to hold your pants up, so they're probably just shuffling around up there with a pair of pants around their ankles.
 
2012-02-07 11:19:57 AM  

Claude Ballse: Ficoce
Can anyone tell the reason for the Civil War?

Difficulty; do not mention slavery.

Sure, I'll give it a whirl. Pretty much it was started over a fight for political power and economic profits. Northern states had more representation in Congress because they refused to recognize blacks when it came to the population census since they were not entitled to the same rights. The South was not happy about this and thus began the political struggles. Later on as a way to punish Northern states, Southern states began to export their textiles overseas to Europeans who were willing to pay more. Hilarity ensued with export tariffs and the like, and thus succession began.

Now if you do mention slavery, it's because you have to in order to debunk the belief that it was a cause of the war.

Although politically Northern newspapers were pushing the Abolition/Religious aspect pretty hard, Slavery was never a determining issue with the Civil War. Abraham Lincoln while rightly so was against slavery, he himself had said that emancipation was never a priority with the War itself. Robert E. Lee was himself against it, and while he was also against interracial marriages, did say that Blacks needed to be helped by the U.S. Government to acclimate to free life so that they could gain education and truly be equal.

The biggest thing of course too was that for most planation and shipping owners, slaves were just too expensive to upkeep. Slavery isn't a easy life, but owners did still need to provide medical attention for them as well as food and shelter. There are quite a few instances, even as far back as when the French had colonized New Orleans that slaves had to be freed in order to fend for themselves because their owners just didn't have enough food and couldn't let them starve to death (hence the relationships with the Indians). Likewise while the Irish Potato Famine had fueled the U.S.' supply of fresh recruits for the Civil War, before and after the conflict the South was ...


Thank you for that....now, class, this demonstrates two terms that are crucial to understanding many interpretations of the American Civil War - "Revisionist" and "Unreconstructed".
 
2012-02-07 11:30:18 AM  

Broom: That being said, it probably wouldn't hurt you to study a few more books, if you've never heard of him before.


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2012-02-07 11:33:29 AM  

Speaker2Animals: Broom: Ficoce: Can anyone tell the reason for the Civil War?

Difficulty; do not mention slavery.


Can anyone tell the reason for the recent economic collapse?

Difficulty: do not mention financial institutions.

Can anyone tell me why I can't walk?

Difficulty: do not mention the double leg amputation.


Lack of faith in God?

/2x bk myself :*)
 
2012-02-07 11:34:31 AM  
The photo 'Black Troops' showing two black soldiers supposedly fighting at Dutch Gap was almost certainly staged. The equipment needed to take photos then and the time it took to take a shot meant actual combat photos are just about nonexistent.
 
2012-02-07 11:35:55 AM  

Ficoce: Broom: Ficoce: Can anyone tell the reason for the Civil War?

Difficulty; do not mention slavery.


Can anyone tell the reason for the recent economic collapse?

Difficulty: do not mention financial institutions.

Good answer! The North had double the population of the South, yet the South controlled 70% of the nations exports - follow the money. Lincoln set the slaves "free", but the Native Americans might have a different story about his ethics.

Then there's that Nationalist thing.


And the fact that every single state seceding from the Union mentioned preserving slavery as a cause within the first few paragraphs.

I'm not saying the North's economic hold on the South wasn't a factor. I'm saying even the South admitted slavery was a major reason, at the time. It's only since then that the South's message has been revised to be more palatably about "economic inequities."
 
2012-02-07 11:37:22 AM  
th01.deviantart.net
 
2012-02-07 11:41:00 AM  

Porous Horace: Stupid Javascript. This is the only semi-informative pic I got from that page and I'm not too sure that it took place during the Civil War. Maybe the Cold War?

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 300x195]


No, that's the Civil War alright.
 
2012-02-07 11:44:02 AM  

Claude Ballse: Ficoce
Can anyone tell the reason for the Civil War?

Difficulty; do not mention slavery.

Sure, I'll give it a whirl. Pretty much it was started over a fight for political power and economic profits. Northern states had more representation in Congress because they refused to recognize blacks when it came to the population census since they were not entitled to the same rights. The South was not happy about this and thus began the political struggles. Later on as a way to punish Northern states, Southern states began to export their textiles overseas to Europeans who were willing to pay more. Hilarity ensued with export tariffs and the like, and thus succession began.

Now if you do mention slavery, it's because you have to in order to debunk the belief that it was a cause of the war...


Well that was revisionist.
You might want to read up on the politics leading to the war. Start here.
 
2012-02-07 11:45:59 AM  

DreamSnipers: The photo 'Black Troops' showing two black soldiers supposedly fighting at Dutch Gap was almost certainly staged. The equipment needed to take photos then and the time it took to take a shot meant actual combat photos are just about nonexistent.


of course it was staged. What is your point?
 
2012-02-07 11:50:52 AM  
i39.tinypic.com
The horror... the horror...
 
2012-02-07 11:54:40 AM  

Claude Ballse: Slavery was never a determining issue with the Civil War.


"Years ago I was convinced that the Southern States would be compelled either to separate from the North, by dissolving the Federal Government, or they would be compelled to abolish the institution of African Slavery." - E.S. Dargan, Secession Convention of Alabama, January 11, 1861

"In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world." - Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union

"For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery." - The people of Georgia ... present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation

The rights of slaveowners over their slaves are asserted 10 times in the Confederate Constitution. Probably just an oversight; the Secession wasn't about slavery, as you have posited.
 
2012-02-07 12:05:52 PM  

chuckufarlie: DreamSnipers: The photo 'Black Troops' showing two black soldiers supposedly fighting at Dutch Gap was almost certainly staged. The equipment needed to take photos then and the time it took to take a shot meant actual combat photos are just about nonexistent.

of course it was staged. What is your point?


My point was this labeling of the photo "Soldiers fighting for the Union in November 1864 in Dutch Gap, Virginia" is misleading.
 
2012-02-07 12:08:12 PM  

Broom: Ficoce: Broom: Ficoce: Can anyone tell the reason for the Civil War?

Difficulty; do not mention slavery.


Can anyone tell the reason for the recent economic collapse?

Difficulty: do not mention financial institutions.

Good answer! The North had double the population of the South, yet the South controlled 70% of the nations exports - follow the money. Lincoln set the slaves "free", but the Native Americans might have a different story about his ethics.

Then there's that Nationalist thing.

And the fact that every single state seceding from the Union mentioned preserving slavery as a cause within the first few paragraphs.

I'm not saying the North's economic hold on the South wasn't a factor. I'm saying even the South admitted slavery was a major reason, at the time. It's only since then that the South's message has been revised to be more palatably about "economic inequities."


You might not want to say it, but I will. Nothing that the North did or was going to do had anything to do with the original southern states actions to secede. It was brought on by hubris and a certain amount of immaturity. The election of Lincoln to the White House was the first time in over thirty years that the south did not control the White House. That was more than they could stand. Once they were no longer in charge, they wanted out.

The people who initiated this should have been hanged.
 
2012-02-07 12:12:10 PM  

DreamSnipers: chuckufarlie: DreamSnipers: The photo 'Black Troops' showing two black soldiers supposedly fighting at Dutch Gap was almost certainly staged. The equipment needed to take photos then and the time it took to take a shot meant actual combat photos are just about nonexistent.

of course it was staged. What is your point?

My point was this labeling of the photo "Soldiers fighting for the Union in November 1864 in Dutch Gap, Virginia" is misleading.


How so??? The people of that time certainly knew that it was not possibly a real photo of combat. People today should know that it was not possible. Who is it misleading?? The people who are completely uninformed??

The photo was certainly staged and actual combat photos from that period are not just about nonexistent - they ARE non-existent.
 
2012-02-07 12:16:07 PM  

Claude Ballse: Ficoce
Can anyone tell the reason for the Civil War?

Difficulty; do not mention slavery.

Sure, I'll give it a whirl. Pretty much it was started over a fight for political power and economic profits. Northern states had more representation in Congress because they refused to recognize blacks when it came to the population census since they were not entitled to the same rights. The South was not happy about this and thus began the political struggles. Later on as a way to punish Northern states, Southern states began to export their textiles overseas to Europeans who were willing to pay more. Hilarity ensued with export tariffs and the like, and thus succession began.

Now if you do mention slavery, it's because you have to in order to debunk the belief that it was a cause of the war.

Although politically Northern newspapers were pushing the Abolition/Religious aspect pretty hard, Slavery was never a determining issue with the Civil War. Abraham Lincoln while rightly so was against slavery, he himself had said that emancipation was never a priority with the War itself. Robert E. Lee was himself against it, and while he was also against interracial marriages, did say that Blacks needed to be helped by the U.S. Government to acclimate to free life so that they could gain education and truly be equal.

The biggest thing of course too was that for most planation and shipping owners, slaves were just too expensive to upkeep. Slavery isn't a easy life, but owners did still need to provide medical attention for them as well as food and shelter. There are quite a few instances, even as far back as when the French had colonized New Orleans that slaves had to be freed in order to fend for themselves because their owners just didn't have enough food and couldn't let them starve to death (hence the relationships with the Indians). Likewise while the Irish Potato Famine had fueled the U.S.' supply of fresh recruits for the Civil War, before and after the conflict the South was ...


pure bullshiat - the one and only cause for the Civil War was SLAVERY. That is why the states attempted to secede and that is why they fired on Fort Sumter. All you need to do is read the Articles of Secession written by the deep south states and you will see the cause. Every one on them mentions slavery as their reason and nothing else.


Your ancestors were not embarrassed to tell the truth, it was only when they lost the war that they decided to lie about it.
 
2012-02-07 12:17:37 PM  

glassbottomboatcaptain: Ficoce: Can anyone tell the reason for the Civil War?

Difficulty; do not mention slavery.

The south is full of weird retards so we killed a bunch of em.


apparently - not enough.
 
2012-02-07 12:19:52 PM  

ButtonFace: "In a rare image of President Lincoln at Gettysburg, he is shown hatless at the center of a crowd on the orators' platform"

The President is hatless. I repeat...hatless!


It was just used to help people locate Lincoln in that photo. If people looked for a man in a stove pipe hate, they would have found nothing.

Not too bright, are you??!!!!!
 
2012-02-07 12:24:10 PM  

chuckufarlie: The people who initiated this should have been hanged.


1865 Republican Congress, is that you? Welcome back.

/But vengeance only begets vengeance. Reconciliation historically is the path to overcoming civil turmoil.
 
2012-02-07 12:28:12 PM  

Broom: chuckufarlie: The people who initiated this should have been hanged.

1865 Republican Congress, is that you? Welcome back.

/But vengeance only begets vengeance. Reconciliation historically is the path to overcoming civil turmoil.


Vengeance has nothing to do with it AND that Congress wanted to hang Jeff Davis, R. E. Lee and other political leaders. They are not the people who initiated the attempt to secede. I am talking about the imbeciles that were mostly in South Carolina. The people who stirred up the trouble in the first place.
 
2012-02-07 12:33:38 PM  
Here is a link to the Library of Congress digitized Civil War Glass Negatives & Related Prints website. Great searchable resource with thousands of photographs in high resolution.
 
2012-02-07 12:50:32 PM  

dukeblue219: Click Click D'oh: Uh... how about "50 mostly boring images from roughly around the time of the Civil War"

Yeah, this. I was expecting to see a little more battlefield photography, not posters advertising for a fugitive slave's return. Interesting, but poorly titled nonetheless.


... i understand the sentiment, but please rethink what you just wrote.
 
2012-02-07 01:07:04 PM  

chuckufarlie: DreamSnipers: chuckufarlie: DreamSnipers: The photo 'Black Troops' showing two black soldiers supposedly fighting at Dutch Gap was almost certainly staged. The equipment needed to take photos then and the time it took to take a shot meant actual combat photos are just about nonexistent.

of course it was staged. What is your point?

My point was this labeling of the photo "Soldiers fighting for the Union in November 1864 in Dutch Gap, Virginia" is misleading.

How so??? The people of that time certainly knew that it was not possibly a real photo of combat. People today should know that it was not possible. Who is it misleading?? The people who are completely uninformed??

The photo was certainly staged and actual combat photos from that period are not just about nonexistent - they ARE non-existent.


Why label it 'fighting' then? The same label could by that standard be applied to any photo of a Union soldier. I think you assume a lot if you think "People today should know that it was not possible."
I have seen one action photo from the Civil War that I can recall. It was a artillery battery in action. There may be a couple of others, certainly rare to the extreme.
 
2012-02-07 01:10:37 PM  

chuckufarlie: ButtonFace: "In a rare image of President Lincoln at Gettysburg, he is shown hatless at the center of a crowd on the orators' platform"

The President is hatless. I repeat...hatless!

It was just used to help people locate Lincoln in that photo. If people looked for a man in a stove pipe hate, they would have found nothing.

Not too bright, are you??!!!!!


Dude, chill. It's a Simpsons reference. Yeesh. You've seen those on Fark before, haven't you?
/Loves me some Lincoln in a stove pipe "hate"
 
2012-02-07 01:17:52 PM  
I have not located the action photo, best I could find at this point is this:

To add to the image of the Connecticut battery. I recently saw it in a book titled 'Brady's Civil War' (a compilation of his images, etc.), and it captions the image with the following:
"This is believed to be the first actual photograph of the US army in combat. It was made under fire by Matthew Brady at the battle of Frdericksburg, Virginia, in 1863. Toward the end of the four second exposure time, the cannon roared. causing Brady's camera stand to shake, such that blurring of the image occured, especially of the mounted officer on the right."
 
2012-02-07 01:22:36 PM  

chuckufarlie: ButtonFace: "In a rare image of President Lincoln at Gettysburg, he is shown hatless at the center of a crowd on the orators' platform"

The President is hatless. I repeat...hatless!

It was just used to help people locate Lincoln in that photo. If people looked for a man in a stove pipe hate, they would have found nothing.

Not too bright, are you??!!!!!


Suspect Is Hatless (new window)
 
2012-02-07 01:37:24 PM  

chuckufarlie: Broom: chuckufarlie: The people who initiated this should have been hanged.

1865 Republican Congress, is that you? Welcome back.

/But vengeance only begets vengeance. Reconciliation historically is the path to overcoming civil turmoil.

Vengeance has nothing to do with it AND that Congress wanted to hang Jeff Davis, R. E. Lee and other political leaders. They are not the people who initiated the attempt to secede. I am talking about the imbeciles that were mostly in South Carolina. The people who stirred up the trouble in the first place.


That would be the 1860 Democratic National Convention. Douglas didn't do very well trying to moderate his party's views regarding slavery.

www.wisconsinhistory.org

Interestingly, Charlestonians have never voted for a Republican Mayor - ever.
 
2012-02-07 01:52:10 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: chuckufarlie: Broom: chuckufarlie: The people who initiated this should have been hanged.

1865 Republican Congress, is that you? Welcome back.

/But vengeance only begets vengeance. Reconciliation historically is the path to overcoming civil turmoil.

Vengeance has nothing to do with it AND that Congress wanted to hang Jeff Davis, R. E. Lee and other political leaders. They are not the people who initiated the attempt to secede. I am talking about the imbeciles that were mostly in South Carolina. The people who stirred up the trouble in the first place.

That would be the 1860 Democratic National Convention. Douglas didn't do very well trying to moderate his party's views regarding slavery.

[www.wisconsinhistory.org image 600x413]

Interestingly, Charlestonians have never voted for a Republican Mayor - ever.


No, that would not be the 1860 Democratic Convention. The decision was made prior to that.
 
2012-02-07 02:10:57 PM  

chuckufarlie: Kraftwerk Orange: chuckufarlie: Broom: chuckufarlie: The people who initiated this should have been hanged.

1865 Republican Congress, is that you? Welcome back.

/But vengeance only begets vengeance. Reconciliation historically is the path to overcoming civil turmoil.

Vengeance has nothing to do with it AND that Congress wanted to hang Jeff Davis, R. E. Lee and other political leaders. They are not the people who initiated the attempt to secede. I am talking about the imbeciles that were mostly in South Carolina. The people who stirred up the trouble in the first place.

That would be the 1860 Democratic National Convention. Douglas didn't do very well trying to moderate his party's views regarding slavery.

[www.wisconsinhistory.org image 600x413]

Interestingly, Charlestonians have never voted for a Republican Mayor - ever.

No, that would not be the 1860 Democratic Convention. The decision was made prior to that.


Tell me when Succession happened then? I thought it happened *after* the Dems lost the 1860 election, and Southern States were unhappy with Lincoln's Election. If the Democrats had fielded a more viable candidate than Douglas (who was splintering his own party), then there might have been a political solution other than succession on the table. The Republicans elected a man who was determined to hold the Union together.
 
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