Dumbasses.

If I'm killed by a DUI driver, get all liquored uo and burn that farker's house down for me. (Check for pets/family first. I'm vengeful, not a monster.)

Backwards Cornfield Races: doglover: Dumbasses.

If I'm killed by a DUI driver, get all liquored uo and burn that farker's house down for me. (Check for pets/family first. I'm vengeful, not a monster.)

this. Get back at the guy who did it, don't punish the rest of us over your butthurt.

I was watching a show (cops, craziest cop videos or something along those lines) and it was chronicling a guy who lost the use of his legs because he got t-boned by a drunk driver. He couldn't get to the drunk driver because he either died in the crash or was in jail so the guy rolled his chair over to this guy's house who had sold the drunk his car. Shot him in the stomach and wouldn't let the cops near him. Crazy story, but even thats better than an outright ban

Retarded. Hence my idea that you just burn down the house. You take my life, my people take your stuff. Especially family heirlooms and photos.

You have ashes and slagged metals left, you might learn to be a better msn. But killing someone who wasn't involved? That's just evil.

How about this: By now everyone knows that if you drink and then get behind the wheel you're really increasing your chances of getting into some kind of stupid accident. There's no "I didn't know" any more, or at least there shouldn't be. So let's start charging drunk drivers with 2nd degree murder when they kill someone, and attempted murder when they injure someone. THAT ought to spook some sobriety into a few people.

Car_Ramrod: Also, what is the logic here?

Drinking and driving is illegal, but someone still did it. You think no one is going to drink on the beach because of a ban? These people obviously aren't aware how awesome it is to drink at the beach.

Well, they banned smoking at a lot of beaches around me and I know for an absolute fact that not one cigarette has been smoked at a beach since then.

unlikely: How about this: By now everyone knows that if you drink and then get behind the wheel you're really increasing your chances of getting into some kind of stupid accident. There's no "I didn't know" any more, or at least there shouldn't be. So let's start charging drunk drivers with 2nd degree murder when they kill someone, and attempted murder when they injure someone. THAT ought to spook some sobriety into a few people.

Japan has some insane drunk driving laws. If you kill someone drunk driving, you have to pay their family their expected salary for the rest of your life. Also a lot of jail time, and their jails don't have heating or cooling facilities.

But that doesn't really reduce anything. What reduces the DUIs in Tokyo to next to nothing compared to the average US township with a tenth of the population is the fact that they have a massive and efficient light rail system. I've been stumble down drunk many, many times and just barely managed not to pass out and miss my stop on the train, but I got home just fine and endangered no one every time.

Meanwhile, in America, there's many weird laws and a severe lack of infrastructure that practically force you to drive drunk if you don't live deep in the heart of a metropolis. Hell, in places like Pittsburgh, you still have to slow crawl it home sometimes.

If you really want to end a supposed social problem, you can't just punish it away. We used to hang thieves, people still stole. We illegalized booze, people still got it and still drove drunk. Nothing for it in the stick. But you offer them cheap goods like Walmart and a nice light rail system and suddenly larceny and DUI are at all time lows in places where you've got those things. Places without maintain the traditional numbers. No need to punish anyone more than we already do. Better to solve the problem than try to steamroll it away.

doglover: If you really want to end a supposed social problem, you can't just punish it away. We used to hang thieves, people still stole. We illegalized booze, people still got it and still drove drunk. Nothing for it in the stick. But you offer them cheap goods like Walmart and a nice light rail system and suddenly larceny and DUI are at all time lows in places where you've got those things. Places without maintain the traditional numbers. No need to punish anyone more than we already do. Better to solve the problem than try to steamroll it away.

American's aren't willing to be packed in like Sardines like in Tokyo. Some are, but not enough. People want their yard, their little fence, and their own garage. Its not going to change any time soon.

ShawnDoc: doglover: If you really want to end a supposed social problem, you can't just punish it away. We used to hang thieves, people still stole. We illegalized booze, people still got it and still drove drunk. Nothing for it in the stick. But you offer them cheap goods like Walmart and a nice light rail system and suddenly larceny and DUI are at all time lows in places where you've got those things. Places without maintain the traditional numbers. No need to punish anyone more than we already do. Better to solve the problem than try to steamroll it away.

American's aren't willing to be packed in like Sardines like in Tokyo. Some are, but not enough. People want their yard, their little fence, and their own garage. Its not going to change any time soon.

No need it INCREASE the derp that's become drunk driving laws.

My father was caught in his car drunk as a skunk as a teen. He let his more sober friend drive but was hauled into the station by the cops for being a wise ass when they asked why he wasn't driving himself. What happened? Grandpa beat his ass with a belt after he picked him up from the drunk tank and that's that. Today he and the friend who wasn't exactly 100% sober would both have rap sheets for the incident.

There's also stories of people, back in the day, being popped drunk and escorted home by the cops, who probably need something to do of a night in the country anyway. Today, you'd have a ton of people facing jail for nothing more than going home at a safe speed late at night.

Why? Because a few farktards can't drive drunk, go hog wild, and get people killed. Like that Jackass guy. But the problem is a farktard will always be a farktard. So the more things you criminalize to try stop a farktard, all you wind up doing is making more criminals out of normal people who don't want to give up a good thing. To top it off, the farktards ARE STILL farkTARDS. They don't respond to legislation because they're farktards. So even if you criminalize alcohol sales AND DUI with the death penalty, there's still going to be a small minority of people who drive drunk and kill people. It's inevitable.

So the only real choice you have is to find a nice shiny lure to keep the farktards off the roads, like all night taverns where you can sleep it off for the price of pitcher, or make a better way like trains so drunks don't have to drive and sobers don't have to risk it.

It will take time and money to fix the problems. In the meantime, the last thing we need is even MORE ridiculously punitive legislation. It's like drug laws and internet piracy or even terroism: the agencies HAVE the tools already. They don't need anything extra. I'm sure they'd want it, but they've already got what they need.

Notice how the bars level off but the solid white line and the solid blue lines begin to spike upward.

This means that, since the 80's, the DUI fatality rate is at an all time low, percentage wise. More kids, more driving, equal and lower numbers of fatalities.

That's the most up to date graph I have. But it's clear whatever's going on worked. Good. Keep it up and instead of doing anything to change the successful formula, let's work setting up an entirely new kind of system where the old, unchanged laws that work won't even be needed 'cause no one will want to drive when they can just hop a train or bus.

Seriously, "MacPhail"?

Have they considered banning jogging? How many joggers are killed by non-drunk drivers vs. drunk drivers?

miss diminutive: Install touchscreens in cars that force drivers to type out an audio message flawlessly in a short period of time before the car will start. Based on how many garbled, barely decipherable drunk texts I receive (uh....and send) each weekend, most people will just have to sleep it off in their cars before they can drive home in the morning.

As a bonus, it will prevent teen driving as well.

Can't they just ban jogging?

unlikely: How about this: By now everyone knows that if you drink and then get behind the wheel you're really increasing your chances of getting into some kind of stupid accident. There's no "I didn't know" any more, or at least there shouldn't be. So let's start charging drunk drivers with 2nd degree murder when they kill someone, and attempted murder when they injure someone. THAT ought to spook some sobriety into a few people.

That's already been the law in Florida for as long as I can remember. Apparently this spooking that you speak of is not going per your plan.

fineimjames: I live in Sarasota and one of my coworkers is close to the family of this woman. I'm surprised to see that in no article I've seen, does it mention the off-duty paramedic who was jogging nearby and rushed over to her right afterward. Apparently she was practically torn in half when she was hit, so there wasn't much he could do.

This little douchebag is notorious for acting like an ass all over town because daddy owns a restaurant and pays his way for everything. And of course, he has a child on the way in the next couple months. And it neglects to mention that he was fleeing the scene of ANOTHER accident he'd caused just before this. After he hit her, he kept going and then ran into ANOTHER car, smashed up property all over and then still tried to flee from there.

I think we just need to ban assholes.

miss diminutive: yves0010: miss diminutive: Install touchscreens in cars that force drivers to type out an audio message flawlessly in a short period of time before the car will start. Based on how many garbled, barely decipherable drunk texts I receive (uh....and send) each weekend, most people will just have to sleep it off in their cars before they can drive home in the morning.

I see one flaw. Some people can not use grammar or spell well. They could be locked out of their car for no reason. And then, there are those who can type drunk. I have done several drunk texts that were grammatically correct with no spelling errors.

I can type perfectly while drunk as well, it just takes me twelve minutes to send the text. If the system had a reasonably short time limit then I would be out of luck. Then again, my grandmother still looks at the mouse when she's trying to move her cursor across a computer screen, so sending a text message under the time limit would be like asking her to build a car from scratch.

Ok, so there's some flaws in my system. This is why when we go out it's either we all split a cab or lowest card drawn is DD for the night.

Yeah, I started to reply "but I can text fine even when totally wasted" and then I saw you mentioned a time limit. That would do it for me.