Confabulat: In the USSR they would have ended up in Siberia.

In the USSR no one would have blamed them, and the people to blame would've avoided blame because they were too far up to blame. The USSR had a case of a launch that should've never happened, but the engineers weren't blamed, because they had no choice but to let it go on. And the man who was to blame? When your job title is Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union, you don't have to worry about being blamed for anything.

Were his ashes scattered at sea too?

Confabulat: In the USSR they would have ended up in Siberia.

I think Fark had a pretty comprehensive article of Russia's space screw-ups and man were they frightening. I don't think anybody was ever really blamed.

The solution was actually a snap (new window)

NASA management.

Killed the Apollo crew on the ground.

Killed the Challenger crew.

Killed the Columbia crew.


N.A.S.A.

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Unhip1: The solution was actually a snap (new window)

Sad, that it too such a BRILLIANT man to point out the obvious.

He also rated, based on his talking to NASA ENGINEERS, the odds of a "major" accident of the shuttle 1 in 50.

The NASA management answer? 1 in 10,000.

1 in 10,000 is about what all aircraft do. (Commercial and GA)


Guess who was right with Columbia?

He used to carry boulders off his lawn all day so he would be tired enough to sleep. Where the hell did he live where he could do that?

ParagonComplex: He used to carry boulders off his lawn all day so he would be tired enough to sleep. Where the hell did he live where he could do that?

Ireland?

Some Russian rocket scientist was so sure his rocket was perfect he stood just a little ways away during the launch. Since he was there others assumed it was safe. They were all burned to death when it exploded on take off.

WhyteRaven74: When your job title is Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union, you don't have to worry about being blamed for anything.

Yes, but they seemed to be especially susceptible to to the common cold.

Bureaucracy kills.

I remember where I was when it blew up. I also remember hearing that the other one wasn't coming down (in one piece).
That time, I was actually waiting to hear the booms. History, kids, You have to move on. Crying about past failures isn't going to help very much.

Thanks, President Reagan.

/cool speech after they were dead, bro.

The engineers were ignored on purpose just so he could deliver that speech after they died. Ha, I wonder if anyone actually believes that? People believe Obama is getting reelected so I guess they'll believe anything.

Now I have RFTA and feel like an ass.
However, I must say that sitting on the couch crying seems more like something I would do, not so much like a confident engineer would do.
Feel like even more of an ass now.
Time to switch to my other log-in for a while!

I'm sure the crew will be bursting at the seems to meet one of the engineers responsible for the shuttle.

"I mentioned it to a manager, we cool?"
"Well fark y'all!"

A desperate Democrat will believe anything.

/ JFK conspiracy
// Reagan supposedly killed the Challenger astronauts
/// GWB orchestrated 9/11
//// Obama is somehow "reaching across the aisle" and the US can somehow afford to pay for the healthcare of every American despite a $14.8B deficit
// DIAF, "Truthers"

Dude died at 73 of natural causes. That's not beating the average, really, but that's a full lifespan.

Basically, I'm disputing the [sad] tag here, unless you're talking about the explosion itself, in which case get over it, it was almost three decades ago.

I trust that those who ignored the warnings are in prison now?

Jim_Callahan: Dude died at 73 of natural causes. That's not beating the average, really, but that's a full lifespan.

Basically, I'm disputing the [sad] tag here, unless you're talking about the explosion itself, in which case get over it, it was almost three decades ago.

I think the sad thing is that he lost his job and lost years of his life in depression, while those guilty of the disaster (by ignoring the warnings) got away with it.

chookbillion: Now I have RFTA...

RFTA = ?

really farked the a__?

It's not rocket science.

bikkurikun: Jim_Callahan: Dude died at 73 of natural causes. That's not beating the average, really, but that's a full lifespan.

Basically, I'm disputing the [sad] tag here, unless you're talking about the explosion itself, in which case get over it, it was almost three decades ago.

I think the sad thing is that he lost his job and lost years of his life in depression, while those guilty of the disaster (by ignoring the warnings) got away with it.

My recollection is that mid-level NASA mgmt was held accountable.

Unfortunately, the shuttle design never lived up to expectations in terms of reliability, so the NASA approach to evaluating launch issues continued to be inadequate, making the next disaster more likely.

rwfan: chookbillion: Now I have RFTA...

RFTA = ?

really farked the a__?

Read Fark Troll After ?

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Just as well. Maybe our next launch vehicle won't kill so many astronauts.

Mentat: I'm glad that there are still people like him in this world.

He's dead, Jim.

Jim_Callahan: Dude died at 73 of natural causes. That's not beating the average, really, but that's a full lifespan.

Basically, I'm disputing the [sad] tag here, unless you're talking about the explosion itself, in which case get over it, it was almost three decades ago.

So, which tag would have been more appropriate for this story then? The death of a good person is always sad in some way.

teto85: Confabulat: The Onanist: I listened to the interview today. It was quite interesting how NASA's bureaucracy was dead set on the launch over the engineer's objections.

/Pun unintended.

I rarely agree with Alex Jones and mostly listen to his show for giggles on the way to work, but he said something the other day I did agree with: "Bureaucrats believe in magic if everything is filed correctly" or something along those lines.

But yeah, it's remarkable how they just ignored their actual engineers because they had a schedule to meet, dammit.

I hope they found their own personal hell afterwards.

The NASA admins were pressured from DC to launch so the President at that time would have a nice anecdote for his SOTU later that week.

Re*gan diddit

Are you dumb or just stupid?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11031097/ns/technology_and_science-space/ t /myths-about-challenger-shuttle-disaster/

Myth #6: Political pressure forced the launch
There were pressures on the flight schedule, but none of any recognizable political origin. Launch officials clearly felt pressure to get the mission off after repeated delays, and they were embarrassed by repeated mockery on the television news of previous scrubs, but the driving factor in their minds seems to have been two shuttle-launched planetary probes. The first ever probes of this kind, they had an unmovable launch window just four months in the future. The persistent rumor that the White House had ordered the flight to proceed in order to spice up President Reagan's scheduled State of the Union address seems based on political motivations, not any direct testimony or other first-hand evidence. Feynman personally checked out the rumor and never found any substantiation. If Challenger's flight had gone according to plan, the crew would have been asleep at the time of Reagan's speech, and no communications links had been set up.

Read "What Do You Care What Other People Think ?: Further Adventures of a Curious Character" to hear Feynman's story of the NASA special commission investigating the Challenger disaster. We are fortunate to have had him investigating.

It's all about money and appearances. The engineers tried to tell them that it was dangerous to launch, but management did it anyway. I'm sure that the management in question just "forgot" that they had been told it was dangerous. So they didn't listen, and instead of erring on the side of caution, they launched anyway and cost all those people their lives. Surprising that NASA would do this, as they are usually meticulous about safety.

Read TFA well, Farkers. This is the true fate of all whistle-blowers. Even if you do the correct thing -the RIGHT thing- and are ethical, forthright and truthful, at the very least you will be ostracized and disrespected for it.

He died at 73
Challenger died at 73 (seconds)

Coincidence?

/yes

Confabulat: The Onanist: I listened to the interview today. It was quite interesting how NASA's bureaucracy was dead set on the launch over the engineer's objections.

/Pun unintended.

I rarely agree with Alex Jones and mostly listen to his show for giggles on the way to work, but he said something the other day I did agree with: "Bureaucrats believe in magic if everything is filed correctly" or something along those lines.

But yeah, it's remarkable how they just ignored their actual engineers because they had a schedule to meet, dammit.

I hope they found their own personal hell afterwards.

I am not siding with NASA but the official word from the company that built the rocket was that it was good to go. They wetren't ignoring "their" engineers. They took the word of managment of the company (including head engineer) over the word of the individual company engineers.

It is strangely comforting to see that even smart guys with facts backing them are pooh poohed by their bosses.



Rest in Peace good sir.

rico567: Read TFA well, Farkers. This is the true fate of all whistle-blowers. Even if you do the correct thing -the RIGHT thing- and are ethical, forthright and truthful, at the very least you will be ostracized and disrespected for it.

And that's why whistleblowers are heroes.