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(Fox News)   Good News: Researchers invent vaccines to prevent heroin, cocaine, and meth addiction. Bad News: It's in Mexico   (latino.foxnews.com) divider line 112
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2012-02-06 08:55:44 PM
If they could aerosol that somehow, there's a couple of counties here in Okla I'd like em to crop dust.
 
2012-02-06 09:22:39 PM
Why is this a problem? If it were hard to transport things here from Mexico, we wouldn't need the vaccine.
 
2012-02-06 09:35:15 PM
How can their be a profit in the War on Drugs with a product like that? Farking NAFTA.
 
2012-02-06 10:01:31 PM
Bad news?
 
2012-02-06 10:03:06 PM
Actually, Subby, that sounds like the right place for that sort of drug to be developed.
 
2012-02-06 10:03:07 PM
In before heroin causes autism
 
2012-02-06 10:04:43 PM
ok Farkers What does this mean?

"Instated by the United States under the Secretary for Political Affairs Wendy Sherman, the technology transfer network is designed to set the stage for a rise in technology that will aid in the fight against drug addiction."
 
2012-02-06 10:05:27 PM
FDA will squash this like a bug. If you remove the addictive qualities of these drugs, you start running out of arguments in favor of prohibition.
 
2012-02-06 10:06:11 PM
It's just another addictive drug. Star Trek NG did it.
 
2012-02-06 10:07:13 PM
Aw, you just need some clear liquid to get your head straight.
 
2012-02-06 10:07:16 PM
Now if they can do that for smokes and booze addiction........

/profit
 
2012-02-06 10:07:21 PM
This could actually be scary. How does it work?

Will it stop the bodies response to opiates? what about the opiates the body produces naturally for pain control? Will addicts be condemned to a life of agony if they take this?

Needs a lot more detail.

So long as it is a voluntary choice, I am ultimately fine with it. If it becomes forced medication by the courts or other government agencies that would be a problem.
 
2012-02-06 10:07:23 PM
But it comes with a free frogurt!.
 
2012-02-06 10:08:11 PM
This is awesome! I really hope they succeed.

Could completely turn the tide of the war on drugs, make it an "illness" instead of criminalizing it.

/hopeful
//but skeptical
 
2012-02-06 10:09:08 PM
Pffffffft. Ibogaine has been around for ages.
 
2012-02-06 10:09:26 PM
subby....fail....
Mexico has some of the best doctors and hospitals in the world.
..and it's cheaper....
If this is the real thing this could be huge.
 
2012-02-06 10:09:28 PM

Snapper Carr: FDA will squash this like a bug. If you remove the addictive qualities of these drugs, you start running out of arguments in favor of prohibition.


No, the FDA stops cures for disease so drug companies can make never ending profits with 'treatment'.

It's the DEA that wants to keep prohibition going, along with the BATF.
 
2012-02-06 10:09:39 PM

tomWright: This could actually be scary. How does it work?

Will it stop the bodies response to opiates? what about the opiates the body produces naturally for pain control? Will addicts be condemned to a life of agony if they take this?

Needs a lot more detail.

So long as it is a voluntary choice, I am ultimately fine with it. If it becomes forced medication by the courts or other government agencies that would be a problem.


It will likely be "voluntary" and the second option being "going to jail". Most things of this nature are like that.
 
2012-02-06 10:10:06 PM
That is great news, until people start getting addicted to the vaccine. Pretty soon people will giving blow jobs in truck stop restrooms just to pay for the vaccine that prevents them from getting addicted to heroin
 
2012-02-06 10:10:24 PM
I'm too lazy to RTFA, but wouldn't something like this fark with other legitimate drugs? Like, I'd imagine the cocaine and meth vaccine would fark with other fast-acting DRI's like methylphenidate and d-amp? Likewise with the heroin one and Oxycontin, morphine, etc? If I get into a bad car accident and I'm in pain, I'd farking expect the morphine to work, or I'd be pissed.
 
2012-02-06 10:10:53 PM

Snapper Carr: FDA will squash this like a bug. If you remove the addictive qualities of these drugs, you start running out of arguments in favor of prohibition.


Actually, it sets the stage for guilt-free legalization, accompanied with the commensurate taxation of every part of the drug from cultivation by the behemoth Big PharmAg that will result, all the way down to the buyer in the hash bar. Since there's no addiction, there's no need for costly state-funded rehab. Win-win.
 
2012-02-06 10:11:55 PM
Right, so with my limited knowledge of biology and the way drugs work, the only way I can see to block the addiction or the the high is to alter someone's brain chemistry by blocking or destroying receptors. This is some pretty serious, high-grade intervention.

The reason (most) drugs work is that they mimic various things already present in the brain, usually mimicing a flood or overload of whatever it is. Blocking this stuff sounds like a great way to really fark up someone's head and destroy normal brain operation.
 
2012-02-06 10:13:34 PM

litespeed74: subby....fail....
Mexico has some of the best doctors and hospitals in the world.
..and it's cheaper....
If this is the real thing this could be huge.


That depends. Yes, we have (semi) free healthcare, but the best doctors, not all of them are in the system. Is it cheap? Comparing it to the US, yes it is. Hell, there's a lot of Americans that come here for the dental (which is odd, now that I think of it).
 
2012-02-06 10:13:41 PM
tomWright: No, the FDA stops cures for disease so drug companies can make never ending profits with 'treatment'.

Cocaine, Heroin, and Methamphetamine and their analogue substances, even if legalized in terms of Schedule, would never be approved by the FDA as a recreational substance like Ethanol, Marijuana or Tobacco. There are far too many short term complications and risks with their unregulated use.

I know, I know. But but but Alcohol. But but but Tobacco.

Short term, critical harm potential is much, much less between these two than it is say - heroin or cocaine. Unless you want to be handing out free narcan and sodium bicarb/versed autoinjectors to everyone.

They would still be illegal for a layperson to obtain without reason or prescription.tomWright: It's the DEA that wants to keep prohibition going, along with the BATF.

Counter-drug money keeps special interest groups and law enforcement from legalizing the "Safer" drugs, such as Marijuana and Ectasy.
 
2012-02-06 10:13:48 PM
Yeah, it's called "weed."
 
2012-02-06 10:13:51 PM
Hm. On second thought, it says that all it does is remove the addictive qualities, so the effects should still work. That still doesn't explain away how it keeps someone from using them recreationally.
 
2012-02-06 10:14:09 PM
I'm sure there's no way this vaccine will cause any adverse side effects *cough-cancer-cough*
 
2012-02-06 10:15:27 PM
fusillade762: I'm sure there's no way this vaccine will cause any adverse side effects *cough-cancer-cough*

[Citation needed]

By the way, what vaccine caused cancer again?
 
2012-02-06 10:15:37 PM
From the the article about it on Science Daily (new window) it seems the vaccine is against the chemical making you high.

"[It stops] not only heroin but also other psychoactive compounds metabolized from heroin from reaching the brain to produce euphoric effects."

You can get physically addicted to drugs without getting high off them: cancer patients taking morphine as prescribed don't get high but do develop tolerance and dependence. All this vaccine would do is take the fun out of it.

Why is giving someone the ability to become habituated without enjoying it a good idea? It seems to me they should do it the other way around, stopping addiction without ruining the euphoria.

Life is supposed to have some good parts. Frigging puritans.
 
2012-02-06 10:15:56 PM
This sounds a little suspicious. I'm not taking it.
 
2012-02-06 10:16:08 PM
Victory is Life !
 
2012-02-06 10:17:47 PM

tomWright: Will it stop the bodies response to opiates? what about the opiates the body produces naturally for pain control? Will addicts be condemned to a life of agony if they take this?


As I understand it (IANANC* so take my reply with a grain of salt), the chemical agent for addiction and the mechanism for the "high" are typically two different things (for example the suspected addictive mechanism for heroin is BDNF (a protein produced in large quantities by the brain in opiate addicts) whereas the "high" comes from the mu Opioid receptor. So theoretically, if you block the production of BDNF you could still experience the high from heroin (and other opiates) but avoid the chemical addiction.

*I am not a neurochemist
 
2012-02-06 10:18:07 PM
Coming up: the Anti-Sex League.
 
2012-02-06 10:19:51 PM
"Good News: Researchers invent vaccines to prevent heroin, cocaine, and meth addiction lobotomize you. Bad News: It's in Mexico"
 
2012-02-06 10:19:56 PM

lasercannon: That is great news, until people start getting addicted to the vaccine. Pretty soon people will giving blow jobs in truck stop restrooms just to pay for the vaccine that prevents them from getting addicted to heroin


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2012-02-06 10:21:33 PM
It already existed in South America, it's called Ayahuasca. I am betting the Mexicans synthesized it and are patenting it.
 
2012-02-06 10:23:22 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: Pffffffft. Ibogaine has been around for ages.


Ibogaine cures heroin addiction 50% of the time with a single dose, but it is also very dangerous; take it along with heroin and you may die---but the idea is not to take heroin anyway.

It is also illegal.

Go figure.
 
2012-02-06 10:23:28 PM
If that were true the cartels would already be hanging their heads in a tree somewhere.

/Its not the drug you hate, but the the drug user.
 
2012-02-06 10:26:07 PM

Teen Wolf Blitzer: Bad news?


Very bad news. Friday's headlines will include an article about researchers at Mexico's National Institute of Psychiatry being executed in a "suspected" attack by drug cartels, and by next Monday we will be reading about the sudden fire that burned through the National Institute of Psychiatry - killing all the patients and staff.

This would be good news if the researchers weren't almost completely unprotected from the cartels.
 
2012-02-06 10:26:28 PM
just say no.
 
2012-02-06 10:29:28 PM
I wonder if would make the heroin not work the way it had before for a user. It seems like that could make the user go crazy. Unless it really did make you not want heroin somehow. Mad science.

I wish they would do some research to help people get off of benzos-it's harder and more dangerous than getting off of heroin and public health officials and many doctors are unaware of the problem. I've been taking them for the last 15 years at a so-called therapeutic dose. But there's nothing therapeutic about it. I just take it now to not go into withdrawals.
 
2012-02-06 10:29:32 PM

BronyMedic: fusillade762: I'm sure there's no way this vaccine will cause any adverse side effects *cough-cancer-cough*

[Citation needed]

By the way, what vaccine caused cancer again?


Polio vaccine.
 
2012-02-06 10:30:30 PM

CygnusDarius: But it comes with a free frogurt!.


The frogurt is also cursed.

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2012-02-06 10:31:04 PM

Mensan: Teen Wolf Blitzer: Bad news?

Very bad news. Friday's headlines will include an article about researchers at Mexico's National Institute of Psychiatry being executed in a "suspected" attack by drug cartels, and by next Monday we will be reading about the sudden fire that burned through the National Institute of Psychiatry - killing all the patients and staff.

This would be good news if the researchers weren't almost completely unprotected from the cartels.


Yeah, I'm wondering about that too...
 
2012-02-06 10:31:58 PM

Mensan: Teen Wolf Blitzer: Bad news?

Very bad news. Friday's headlines will include an article about researchers at Mexico's National Institute of Psychiatry being executed in a "suspected" attack by drug cartels, and by next Monday we will be reading about the sudden fire that burned through the National Institute of Psychiatry - killing all the patients and staff.

This would be good news if the researchers weren't almost completely unprotected from the cartels.


Then the cartels would face off one of the worst monsters in the business world: The Pharmaceutical Companies.

/Great
//Mexico will be the starting point of a cyberpunk novel
 
2012-02-06 10:33:24 PM
Bonanza Jellybean

Pffffffft. Ibogaine has been around for ages.

Ayahuasca has similar effects.

*clicks profile*

Robert Anton Wilson and P.J. O'Rourke quotes as well as the Tom Robbins reference in your login. You are officially my favorite farker!
 
2012-02-06 10:35:02 PM
Now if they could just develop a vaccine for hoplophobia,
 
2012-02-06 10:37:43 PM

tomWright: Will it stop the bodies response to opiates? what about the opiates the body produces naturally for pain control? Will addicts be condemned to a life of agony if they take this?


video man: I'm too lazy to RTFA, but wouldn't something like this fark with other legitimate drugs?


It seems not:

The team also found that the heroin vaccine was highly specific, meaning that it only produced an antibody response to heroin and 6AM, and not to the other opioid-related drugs tested, such as oxycodone as well as drugs used for opioid dependence -- methadone, naltrexone, and naloxone. (from the ScienceDaily article (^))
 
2012-02-06 10:39:45 PM

BronyMedic: I know, I know. But but but Alcohol. But but but Tobacco.


I was actually going to go with the the "Who the fark are you to tell me what I can't and can't put into my body" angle, but that works too.
 
2012-02-06 10:41:51 PM
Mexico has researchers?

/Just kidding
//Way to go, my Mexican cousins!
 
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