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LouDobbsAwaaaay
2012-02-06 08:12:38 PM
"the project is a test to gauge the market and see if a chain of stores would be profitable."
"We want to see if the business model we've destroyed with online retail will just magically work better when we do it."
What is it with these retarded ideas? Netflix's Qwikster-blunder, BoA's debit card use charge, Verizon's "convenience fee", and now this?
Dear Retarded-Ass Companies,
I promise you that if you pay me HALF of what you are paying whatever imbeciles you have in charge of these decisions, I will deliver ideas that are only HALF as retarded. Big savings all-around.
bravian
2012-02-06 08:27:17 PM
LouDobbsAwaaaay
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I promise you that if you pay me HALF of what you are paying whatever imbeciles you have in charge of these decisions, I will deliver ideas that are only HALF as retarded. Big savings all-around.
Walmarts 2011 revenues: 421.85 billion
Targets 2011 revenues: 67.4 billion (target as they haven't released numbers yet)
Bestbuys 2011 revenues: 50.3 billion
Amazon 2011 revenues: 9.91 billion
Say what you want about the strategy - but you can only achieve so much being an online only shop with a nice cloud business.
rmcooper4
2012-02-06 08:35:48 PM
Living in Lexington, KY and occasionally in the Indy area, I wouldn't mind having the option to order online and pick up at their regional warehouses. Most of the books I've ordered this year have been shipped from their warehouse
JasonOfOrillia
2012-02-06 08:37:25 PM
DanZero
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That black segment should be smaller
LouDobbsAwaaaay
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Companies,
pulling an XKCD on you
MrEricSir
2012-02-06 08:38:30 PM
bravian
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Walmarts 2011 revenues: 421.85 billion
Targets 2011 revenues: 67.4 billion (target as they haven't released numbers yet)
Bestbuys 2011 revenues: 50.3 billion
Amazon 2011 revenues: 9.91 billion
Say what you want about the strategy - but you can only achieve so much being an online only shop with a nice cloud business.
Something tells me that if you graphed these revenues over time you'd get a different picture. A snapshot of current revenues isn't the information an investor would care about.
bravian
2012-02-06 09:03:57 PM
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Something tells me that if you graphed these revenues over time you'd get a different picture. A snapshot of current revenues isn't the information an investor would care about.
Who was taking about investing? I sure as hell wouldn't invest in any of those four companies right now. Btw - I was mistaken on one point - Amazon.com's 2011 revenues was 48 billion which does put them in line with Best Buy. So not as dramatic.
But to my point - what does amazon.com do to continue to grow its business? Its done a rather decent job so far but at some point you can only do so much without looking at alternative ways to move merchandise. That could very well be opening up shop. And one can argue they could do it better than a Best Buy or a Target.
wildcardjack
2012-02-06 09:04:14 PM
Actually, I could see an Amazon Kiosk selling Kindles and accessories at malls across the nation. But it's about 12 weeks late to open such kiosks.
Mikey1969
2012-02-06 09:21:17 PM
DanZero
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I'm not sure how people can't handle Best Buy. Is it really that hard? I read reviews online from a few different sites, compare products, narrow it down to 2 or 3, and then go to Best Buy, pick up my product, pay for it and walk out the door.
Of course there are two things I will never buy there:
Computers
Cables
Computers come loaded with a lot of bullshiat, I build my own. Cables are something you should only buy from either monoprice or deep surplus. Example: I bought 2 9' HDMI cables with ferrules at the end and gold connectors for about $3.50 each from monoprice. Same thing at BB or WalMart would cost $30 for a single 6' foot cable.
MrEricSir
2012-02-06 09:23:03 PM
bravian
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Who was taking about investing?
I sure as hell wouldn't invest in any of those four companies right now. Btw - I was mistaken on one point - Amazon.com's 2011 revenues was 48 billion which does put them in line with Best Buy. So not as dramatic.
But to my point -
what does amazon.com do to continue to grow its business
? Its done a rather decent job so far but at some point you can only do so much without looking at alternative ways to move merchandise. That could very well be opening up shop. And one can argue they could do it better than a Best Buy or a Target.
Looks like we're talking about the same thing using different words. You don't invest in a company that's shrinking; you want to see growth over time. If you were to look up Amazon's revenue over the past 10 years I would bet you it increased every single year.
In other words I don't think Amazon has anything to worry about.
Mikey1969
2012-02-06 09:23:45 PM
Knowing Amazon, they'll put RFID scanners throughout the store, scanning anyone with a 'Smart Chip' in their credit/debit cards, and they will say that it is their right to sell any of this data that they collect.
Have fun.
runwiz
2012-02-06 10:05:28 PM
Once they open a store they have to collect sales tax on internet sales from people in that state. Is this a concession to the state governments that claim even a warehouse presence requires them to collect a sales tax? of course, Amazon has also tried to claim that since they aren't the actual seller they don't have to be responsible for taxes. This would be hard to defend if they operate a store.
Hector Remarkable
2012-02-06 10:20:00 PM
BizarreMan
2012-02-06 10:38:37 PM
runwiz
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Once they open a store they have to collect sales tax on internet sales from people in that state. Is this a concession to the state governments that claim even a warehouse presence requires them to collect a sales tax? of course, Amazon has also tried to claim that since they aren't the actual seller they don't have to be responsible for taxes. This would be hard to defend if they operate a store.
I was wondering about this myself.
Manfred J. Hattan
2012-02-06 10:55:05 PM
Mikey1969
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DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 504x497]
I'm not sure how people can't handle Best Buy. Is it really that hard? I read reviews online from a few different sites, compare products, narrow it down to 2 or 3, and then go to Best Buy, pick up my product, pay for it and walk out the door.
Of course there are two things I will never buy there:
Computers
Cables
Computers come loaded with a lot of bullshiat, I build my own.
I don't build my own computers. Three times Best Buy didn't have the computer in stock that either their web site or one of the reputable deal sites said they had. I march in there ready with the reviews and a couple alternatives but every time the alternatives were $100 or more above the deal they advertised but didn't have. In two of those cases they even had the display model of the computer I wanted still on the floor, just none in stock. (Can I have that one at a discount? No. How about at the advertised price? No. So the offer I printed out from your website was entirely farcical? Talk to corporate.)
So now I just don't believe them. They could offer me a 50' Sharp LCD with free puppies and a sloppy wet kiss from Sofia Vergara and I wouldn't bother to visit the store because I know they'd have a 20-year old Phillips, the puppies' fleas and a picture of Sofia in the store.
Mikey1969
2012-02-06 11:12:58 PM
Manfred J. Hattan
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Mikey1969: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 504x497]
I'm not sure how people can't handle Best Buy. Is it really that hard? I read reviews online from a few different sites, compare products, narrow it down to 2 or 3, and then go to Best Buy, pick up my product, pay for it and walk out the door.
Of course there are two things I will never buy there:
Computers
Cables
Computers come loaded with a lot of bullshiat, I build my own.
I don't build my own computers. Three times Best Buy didn't have the computer in stock that either their web site or one of the reputable deal sites said they had. I march in there ready with the reviews and a couple alternatives but every time the alternatives were $100 or more above the deal they advertised but didn't have. In two of those cases they even had the display model of the computer I wanted still on the floor, just none in stock. (Can I have that one at a discount? No. How about at the advertised price? No. So the offer I printed out from your website was entirely farcical? Talk to corporate.)
So now I just don't believe them. They could offer me a 50' Sharp LCD with free puppies and a sloppy wet kiss from Sofia Vergara and I wouldn't bother to visit the store because I know they'd have a 20-year old Phillips, the puppies' fleas and a picture of Sofia in the store.
Building your own is most definitely the way to go. It seems more intimidating than it really is, everything really only fits one place... :-)
We tend to buy Dells for our employees, and that works out rather well, probably better than buying from BB. Like I said, I've had good luck on what I buy, but it's usually something along the lines of one or two purchases every year or year and a half, so it's not very often, that could make all the difference right there.
Sometimes I don't WANT to buy online, whether it's the instant gratification thing, or only finding deals with companies I have issues with(Most notably Tiger Direct and Amazon), I sometimes want to be in an actual brick and mortar store...
To put things in perspective though, you should
serve some time
go shopping at a Fry's Electronics, that is truly horrid customer service, and apparently it's on purpose. Unfortunately, they have the absolute widest selection, and quite often the best prices, so you stock up on lube, head to the store and accept your punishment... :-(
brianbankerus
2012-02-07 12:38:29 AM
Mikey1969
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Cables are something you should only buy from either monoprice or deep surplus.
Holy crap! I wouldn't buy an adapter for my HD Video phone because they wanted $39 for it... yeah, try $3.20 at monoprice.
Thanks bro-ham
12349876
2012-02-07 12:42:54 AM
Manfred J. Hattan
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Three times Best Buy didn't have the computer in stock that either their web site or one of the reputable deal sites said they had. I march in there ready with the reviews and a couple alternatives but every time the alternatives were $100 or more above the deal they advertised but didn't have. In two of those cases they even had the display model of the computer I wanted still on the floor, just none in stock. (Can I have that one at a discount? No. How about at the advertised price? No. So the offer I printed out from your website was entirely farcical? Talk to corporate.)
Your post explains exactly why Amazon SHOULD have a store. Some people still want to buy things in a store, and no one other than really expensive Apple (not an apple hater, it's the luxury brand of tech nothing wrong with that) is doing it in a way that gives a shiat about the customer. I would think given Amazon's commitment to customer service and the way it handles its shipping it would actually have the computer you want in stock or at least do something nice for you if it isn't there.
jjorsett
2012-02-07 12:46:46 AM
runwiz
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Once they open a store they have to collect sales tax on internet sales from people in that state. Is this a concession to the state governments that claim even a warehouse presence requires them to collect a sales tax? of course, Amazon has also tried to claim that since they aren't the actual seller they don't have to be responsible for taxes. This would be hard to defend if they operate a store.
Now that states like California have coerced Amazon into collecting sales tax even when they don't have a physical presence (Amazon starts collecting CA sales tax in September), Amazon has no reason not to open brick-and-mortar places in them. Looks like the retailers who went biatching to the states about Amazon having an "unfair" advantage may have just created themselves a new local competitor. I hope Amazon kicks those assholes right in their bottom lines.
Mikey1969
2012-02-07 12:53:31 AM
brianbankerus
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Holy crap! I wouldn't buy an adapter for my HD Video phone because they wanted $39 for it... yeah, try $3.20 at monoprice.
Thanks bro-ham
No problem, they are two of my favorite businesses to recommend. Always a good price, always fast shipping. Always a quality product.
12349876
2012-02-07 12:57:38 AM
jjorsett
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runwiz: Once they open a store they have to collect sales tax on internet sales from people in that state. Is this a concession to the state governments that claim even a warehouse presence requires them to collect a sales tax? of course, Amazon has also tried to claim that since they aren't the actual seller they don't have to be responsible for taxes. This would be hard to defend if they operate a store.
Now that states like California have coerced Amazon into collecting sales tax even when they don't have a physical presence (Amazon starts collecting CA sales tax in September), Amazon has no reason not to open brick-and-mortar places in them. Looks like the retailers who went biatching to the states about Amazon having an "unfair" advantage may have just created themselves a new local competitor. I hope Amazon kicks those assholes right in their bottom lines.
They've been taxing warehouse states for a while now and they've got so many warehouses now they might as well go retail.
Gig103
2012-02-07 01:04:00 AM
LouDobbsAwaaaay
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"We want to see if the business model we've destroyed with online retail will just magically work better when we do it."
No, it's a sign that they know one of their advantages of not charging sales-tax is coming to an end. Since they already charge sales tax in WA, it's a perfect test market to see if people use Amazon for the convenience of mail order and prices, or if their name carries enough clout to pick them over Best Buy.
Even once they start charging sales tax, I'll probably stick with them over Best Buy. Prime shipping to my door is so much better than going shopping, and even with tax, Amazon prices are usually lower than retail. But if this new experiment prompts them to raise prices to cover the costs of retail, then I'll move onto another vendor and drop my Prime. Money talks.
digistil
2012-02-07 03:18:18 AM
bravian
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LouDobbsAwaaaay: I promise you that if you pay me HALF of what you are paying whatever imbeciles you have in charge of these decisions, I will deliver ideas that are only HALF as retarded. Big savings all-around.
Walmarts 2011 revenues: 421.85 billion
Targets 2011 revenues: 67.4 billion (target as they haven't released numbers yet)
Bestbuys 2011 revenues: 50.3 billion
Amazon 2011 revenues: 9.91 billion
Say what you want about the strategy - but you can only achieve so much being an online only shop with a nice cloud business.
FWIW, ever since Amazon beat Google/Android at their own game, derpers have been calling Amazon "da debbil" every chance they get.
Vertdang
2012-02-07 03:20:20 AM
I bought a videocard for my PC yesterday at 2am. I have Amazon Prime w/ free 2 day shipping. It arrived 7 hours after I ordered it.
If they can put service like that in a Retail Store? That'd generate some huge business.
/usually go newegg, but it was the same price w/ the free 2day
//Asus nvidia560gtx 1gb OC... so pretty.
Manfred J. Hattan
2012-02-07 03:50:30 AM
12349876
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Manfred J. Hattan: Three times Best Buy didn't have the computer in stock that either their web site or one of the reputable deal sites said they had. I march in there ready with the reviews and a couple alternatives but every time the alternatives were $100 or more above the deal they advertised but didn't have. In two of those cases they even had the display model of the computer I wanted still on the floor, just none in stock. (Can I have that one at a discount? No. How about at the advertised price? No. So the offer I printed out from your website was entirely farcical? Talk to corporate.)
Your post explains exactly why Amazon SHOULD have a store. Some people still want to buy things in a store, and no one other than really expensive Apple (not an apple hater, it's the luxury brand of tech nothing wrong with that) is doing it in a way that gives a shiat about the customer. I would think given Amazon's commitment to customer service and the way it handles its shipping it would actually have the computer you want in stock or at least do something nice for you if it isn't there.
True, but from the article it seems that these stores, at least, are more designed to deliver the death blow to Barnes and Noble than to mount a challenge to the Best Buys of the world. A pity, but understandable since the margins are so much higher if they can succeed. The PC companies and Apple offer such good direct deals and in PC land the products are so commoditized that I wonder if makes sense for Amazon to compete for that market. To the extent look and feel are important it might actually make sense to go for apparel or housewares or something next.
Con Fabulous
2012-02-07 06:06:15 AM
Well, that certainly beats the Best Buy model of having surly retail clerks do long lines out in the parking lot.
Masso
2012-02-07 07:16:10 AM
Why not? A small Kindle dedicated store here and there may do well. It may very well be used to complement their online store (order online, go pick it up at store).
GameSprocket
2012-02-07 07:24:55 AM
bravian
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LouDobbsAwaaaay: I promise you that if you pay me HALF of what you are paying whatever imbeciles you have in charge of these decisions, I will deliver ideas that are only HALF as retarded. Big savings all-around.
Walmarts 2011 revenues: 421.85 billion
26 billion in profit
Targets 2011 revenues: 67.4 billion (target as they haven't released numbers yet)
5 billion in profit
Bestbuys 2011 revenues: 50.3 billion
2 billion on profit
Amazon 2011 revenues: 9.91 billion
862 Million in profit
Say what you want about the strategy - but you can only achieve so much being an online only shop with a nice cloud business.
This is based on "Operating Income or Loss". Your point still stands, but it bugged me that you were using revenue when Amazon would have must less in operating costs.
Mattevil
2012-02-07 11:23:13 AM
I wonder if they'll have a shipped to store option?
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