Posted this with a much better headline yesterday

Clearly some contador, didn't want to approve it.

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/stupid archaic image size limits.

I still have doubts - This test wasn't a "pee in the cup and see if the stick turns blue" kind of drug test. I'm pretty sure they took a blood sample and used a Mass Spectrometer to separate individual molecules.

Here's my anecdotal evidence for feeling this way:

I once saw a movie that showed how you could use a similar technique to tell what part of the country the corn products you eat were grown in (I think it was called "KIng Corn").

Also, Elane from Seinfeld once failed a drug test because she ate a poppy seed muffin (although, I must admit that was fiction....)

I can kind of believe that he just got caught-out by a hypersensitive technique.

moel: Posted this with a much better headline yesterday

Clearly some contador, didn't want to approve it.

Ditto.

I'm beginning to wonder if it's the link used, kind of a payola system?

32oz High Life: I still have doubts - This test wasn't a "pee in the cup and see if the stick turns blue" kind of drug test. I'm pretty sure they took a blood sample and used a Mass Spectrometer to separate individual molecules.

Yes, a blood sample..... which also had a level of plasticizer in it.... which would indicate a blood transfusion. The clen was found at 50 picograms..... so, if he transfused a bag from previous when he was training and micro-dosing, that would explain it. More believable than the whole 'tainted meat' defense.

LOLance

32oz High Life: Also, Elane from Seinfeld once failed a drug test because she ate a poppy seed muffin (although, I must admit that was fiction....)

That Mythbusters showed to be plausible.

"What do Alberto Contador and subby have in common?"

They're two people who have never been in my kitchen?

+1 Subby. Funniest headlilne of the morning.

peachpicker: "What do Alberto Contador and subby have in common?"

They're two people who have never been in my kitchen?

Saw this yesterday and laughed at the sawed off lil' pendejo.

Cyclists doping? Shocking!
Unreal they still couldn't nail that farking liar Armstrong

Given how much he was biatching about Armstrong, I guess Contador is the Newt Gingrich of cycling.

moel: Posted this with a much better headline yesterday

Clearly some contador, didn't want to approve it.

What was your much better headline?

doubled99: Cyclists doping? Shocking!
Unreal they still couldn't nail that farking liar Armstrong

Either he was REALLY DAMN GOOD at cheating, or just REALLY DAMN GOOD. And I'm still leaning on the side of innocent until proven guilty.

Speaking of Lance....case dropped as of last Friday.

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Well color me surprised...

Dear Tour De France,

Let the Luxembourgian win.

Think about it.

skrame: moel: Posted this with a much better headline yesterday

Clearly some contador, didn't want to approve it.

What was your much better headline?

Mine was something to the effect of: "Tour de France winner caught doping. This is not a repeat from 2006, nor a preview from 2012, 2013, or 2015."

The UCI is trying to make up for the late 1990 doping scandals by suspending anyone NOW of suspicion or traces of anything in a riders system. The peloton knows Alberto's intake did not give him an advantage in winning those races last year. Some Spanish riders are crying discrimination due to Valverde being suspended when he never failed a test.

Uzzah: skrame: moel: Posted this with a much better headline yesterday

Clearly some contador, didn't want to approve it.

What was your much better headline?

Mine was something to the effect of: "Tour de France winner caught doping. This is not a repeat from 2006, nor a preview from 2012, 2013, or 2015."

Yes, the "this is not a repeat" theme is a real winner.

Well at least we can all celebrate the PED-less sanctuary that is the NFL. Let's have another Super Bowl thread shall we? How about that Vince Wilfork. Hell of a player. Seems like a nice guy. Weighs 323 pounds and runs a 5.08 40. Wee doggies. It really is extraordinary what good genes and hard work can accomplish these days.

Station: doubled99: Cyclists doping? Shocking!
Unreal they still couldn't nail that farking liar Armstrong

Either he was REALLY DAMN GOOD at cheating, or just REALLY DAMN GOOD. And I'm still leaning on the side of innocent until proven guilty.

This.

All we have to go on is if drug tests came up positive or not.
Evidence baby...evidence....

litespeed74: Station: doubled99: Cyclists doping? Shocking!
Unreal they still couldn't nail that farking liar Armstrong

Either he was REALLY DAMN GOOD at cheating, or just REALLY DAMN GOOD. And I'm still leaning on the side of innocent until proven guilty.

This.

All we have to go on is if drug tests came up positive or not.
Evidence baby...evidence....

Lance's teammates confirmed that the entire team infused blood before the races, after the tests.

RE: Armstrong

The only court he will be judged in is that of public opinion. Some will never accept he rode clean throughout his career, while others will never accept he didn't dope.

In the end though, it is all about power output.....

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The court of public opinion......

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Omnivorous: +1 Subby. Funniest headlilne of the morning.

Don't care about the Tour de France-do care about this headline. Well done.

expobill: litespeed74: Station: doubled99: Cyclists doping? Shocking!
Unreal they still couldn't nail that farking liar Armstrong

Either he was REALLY DAMN GOOD at cheating, or just REALLY DAMN GOOD. And I'm still leaning on the side of innocent until proven guilty.

This.

All we have to go on is if drug tests came up positive or not.
Evidence baby...evidence....

Lance's teammates confirmed that the entire team infused blood before the races, after the tests.

And Alberto said he ate bad meat...it's all talk to me..but then again...I could be in denial...

litespeed74: And Alberto said he ate bad meat...it's all talk to me..but then again...I could be in denial...

the amount they found were less than a thumb nail, the bottom line is that the UCI has a no-tolernce policy now.
the riders are upset because anything can happen, as the Contador case.

The only people that haven't done subby's mom?

Oh wait, Contador has? Then nevermind.
JC

Cyclists are tested for things that other sports unions would freak out about. I would love for the same testing to be done to NFL or MLB players.

I'm surprised and impressed they stripped him of the title. Good for them and it's good for cycling.

AFA Lance is concerned, it's over. There will always be talk but the bottom line is he was the best and smartest cheater in the peloton.

Omnivorous: +1 Subby. Funniest headlilne of the morning.

Poison: Don't care about the Tour de France-do care about this headline. Well done.

Ty ty.

/subby

Who is the person here who said it was entirely plausible that he could have gotten it this way and the tests would show its possible? I seriously doubt that level of contamination and nobody else wouldn't show up at least a little bit, not to mention if he got it from a cow that meant it was treated beef and it would have been diluted to undetectable levels by the time he ate it.

rjakobi: Dear Tour De France,

Let the Luxembourgian win.

Think about it.

The Luxembugian thinks he was innocent and that contador beat him fair and square.


Look, i CANT STAND Contador, but clembuterol is basically long acting asthma medicine. Just because its anabolic on a cow at large doses doesnt mean its anabolic at picogram levels in a cyclist.

Theres the claim he could have had it from a blood transfusion. Ok, maybe thats more cause for concern, but farking prove it before you punish the guy.

For all those who say cycling is filled with dopers, i think its more of an issue that they test more often and more strictly than any other sport in the world. I think contador is evidence they might have gone overboard.

rga184: rjakobi: Dear Tour De France,

Let the Luxembourgian win.

Think about it.

The Luxembugian thinks he was innocent and that contador beat him fair and square.


Look, i CANT STAND Contador, but clembuterol is basically long acting asthma medicine. Just because its anabolic on a cow at large doses doesnt mean its anabolic at picogram levels in a cyclist.

Theres the claim he could have had it from a blood transfusion. Ok, maybe thats more cause for concern, but farking prove it before you punish the guy.

For all those who say cycling is filled with dopers, i think its more of an issue that they test more often and more strictly than any other sport in the world. I think contador is evidence they might have gone overboard.

You know shiat about steroids and agents bodybuilders use, clen works really well for endurance and recovery which would make it ideal for runners or cyclists.

steamingpile: Who is the person here who said it was entirely plausible that he could have gotten it this way and the tests would show its possible? I seriously doubt that level of contamination and nobody else wouldn't show up at least a little bit, not to mention if he got it from a cow that meant it was treated beef and it would have been diluted to undetectable levels by the time he ate it.

witch
hunt

expobill: steamingpile: Who is the person here who said it was entirely plausible that he could have gotten it this way and the tests would show its possible? I seriously doubt that level of contamination and nobody else wouldn't show up at least a little bit, not to mention if he got it from a cow that meant it was treated beef and it would have been diluted to undetectable levels by the time he ate it.

witch
hunt

Yes because after all the shiat they have taken recently they really want to strip someone of a title over something so minor, that theory doesnt work. Cycling needed a new golden boy but he just happened to cheat so they want to get this out of the way before someone wants to go back and test his other samples.

steamingpile: Yes because after all the shiat they have taken recently they really want to strip someone of a title over something so minor, that theory doesnt work. Cycling needed a new golden boy but he just happened to cheat so they want to get this out of the way before someone wants to go back and test his other samples.

as a supporter and someone who covers a pro cycling team, the UCI never back tests results, and once tainted, the rider is guilty, no matter the dosage or amount, or evidence!
. i guess we agree on the punishment the federation is giving these riders are for what happened in the late 90's . personally i like Contador because he is a great cyclist, and feel he is getting treated unfairly like Valverde.

Spain is the home of the next "big thing" in doping. Rapha Nadal knows all about that...

expobill: steamingpile: Yes because after all the shiat they have taken recently they really want to strip someone of a title over something so minor, that theory doesnt work. Cycling needed a new golden boy but he just happened to cheat so they want to get this out of the way before someone wants to go back and test his other samples.

as a supporter and someone who covers a pro cycling team, the UCI never back tests results, and once tainted, the rider is guilty, no matter the dosage or amount, or evidence!
. i guess we agree on the punishment the federation is giving these riders are for what happened in the late 90's . personally i like Contador because he is a great cyclist, and feel he is getting treated unfairly like Valverde.

He appealed it and found his reason that he had it in his system to be laughable and they are right, you do not get those levels from beef and if you do there is a massive issue somewhere if you are not in 3rd world nation. So if you will just accept his excuse is laughable at best and clen is used for more than just asthma then its obvious he had performance enhancing drugs in his system. The punishment fit the crime, it just sucks it takes them so long to arrive at that conclusion.

Either he was REALLY DAMN GOOD at cheating, or just REALLY DAMN GOOD. And I'm still leaning on the side of innocent until proven guilty.

Lance Armstrong had a very, very powerful advantage. He was almost dead, and the millions of dollars in chemotherapy and experimental treatments his sponsors paid for essentially left him a bag of bones and organs, with not much in the way of muscle mass.

The advantage comes in that he got out of bed and got on a bicycle, and during that time he was legally allowed to use EPO and other steroids, which he has documented, and which he quit as soon as his doctors approved his return to training for competitive cycling.

So...he essentially built every muscle in his body, including his heart, from scratch, to ride a bicycle. You can see the difference in his body compostion after his first win, and after his return before his second win. Before, he looked like a triathlete (which he had been), and afterward, he looks like a cyclist with stringy-ass skinny arms, no pecs to speak of, and flippin' chiseled legs.

No other person could do that...most professional cyclists start competing in their teens, or they come from other sports where they've already built certain kinds of muscle. Cyclists reach their peak in their early 30s, so there may be something about muscle development that changes after the "second puberty" that happens in the early 20's, but a lot of it is training and re-purposing muscle built in the teens. Lance just happened to be recovering from near death at that time, so he had a clean slate.

And I'm sure genetics, talent, and the genius of Johan Bruyneel's tactics also had a huge amount to do with Lance's success.

(...but I also have a tinfoil-hat theory that the CIA laundered money through the Motorola and USPS sponsorship to develop endurance-enhancing drugs for our most elite special-forces and clandestine operators, and found an ideal testing subject in Lance Armstrong and perhaps others on the team. Since it's so new and secret-squirrel, it isn't tested for by the UCI.)

Stabone33: (...) Lance just happened to be recovering from near death at that time, so he had a clean slate.

And I'm sure genetics, talent, and the genius of Johan Bruyneel's tactics also had a huge amount to do with Lance's success.


Those are actually really interesting points. I remember reading a (Time?) article about how his body was absurdly well-constructed for cycling: 7%-longer femur than average for his height; an abnormally large rib cage, which obviously helps lung capacity and, I assume, VO2max; and a single testicle, allowing him to sit more comfortably on those tiny racing saddles (okay, so maybe I don't remember that). It reminded me of Phelps, where he had super long arms, a very cylindrical torso, and short stubby (but powerful) legs.

In both cases, they happened to find a person with the physical characteristics almost singularly suited to their sport, and the drive to train and compete harder than almost anyone else.

I'd never read about Lance's rebuild, in that he was able to craft his musculature from scratch, which I imagine wasn't easy, but surely gave him an advantage over other fuller-bodied racers. I'm gonna have to go find an article, because that sounds really fascinating.

I'm gonna have to go find an article, because that sounds really fascinating.

I read his book years ago. In it he admitted using EPO and other stuff to recover, and I think I remember him saying he was down to 105lbs or something at his lowest point. He's 5'8" tall, so he essentially had no meat on his bones. He might have insinuated the "built-from-scratch" part, but I distinctly remember getting that impression from reading his book.

There was something else in there about his lactic-acid threshold being quite a bit higher than the average human, which means his muscles function at higher output longer and flush the lactic acid more efficiently, so he can go deeper into the red zone than most cyclists and stay there longer.

steamingpile: rga184: rjakobi: Dear Tour De France,

Let the Luxembourgian win.

Think about it.

The Luxembugian thinks he was innocent and that contador beat him fair and square.


Look, i CANT STAND Contador, but clembuterol is basically long acting asthma medicine. Just because its anabolic on a cow at large doses doesnt mean its anabolic at picogram levels in a cyclist.

Theres the claim he could have had it from a blood transfusion. Ok, maybe thats more cause for concern, but farking prove it before you punish the guy.

For all those who say cycling is filled with dopers, i think its more of an issue that they test more often and more strictly than any other sport in the world. I think contador is evidence they might have gone overboard.

You know shiat about steroids and agents bodybuilders use, clen works really well for endurance and recovery which would make it ideal for runners or cyclists.

at those concentrations? read my post carefully, I'm not saying it's impossible to use a beta2 agonist to cheat at sports, I'm saying it takes more than just trace amounts. Even if he took a couple of puffs of it before a workout for asthma, it wouldn't help him significantly more than taking a couple of puffs of any other beta agonist. to get the kind of effects that untested bodybuilders and baseball players get off clen, he would have had much, much, much higher levels in his blood. and if he tested positive in some sample, he probably would have tested positive for many samples before that.