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2012-02-06 07:17:41 PM

Bob16: Hector Remarkable: Bob16: What a farkin paranoid mess of a country.

Well, the thing is, most Americans clearly can't even be trusted in their own homes, and this is why I've supported the implantation program from the beginning. It's cheaper and more efficient than incarceration - just a simple prick behind the back of the right ear, and at least with the government knowing where you are and listening to what you're saying, we don't have to worry about terrorists.

If we just put everyone in jail we will solve all our security problems and the terrorists will stop hating us cause we're free


God Bless America, Bob16, God Bless America.
 
2012-02-06 07:18:06 PM
Couldn't terrorists just strangle people?
 
2012-02-06 07:18:29 PM

Walker: If terrorists want to kill people on a train they can just park a truck full of explosives on any of the thousands of miles of unguarded tracks or just stop on a public road that tracks run right over. Searching people with airport-like security is stupid for trains. Nothing is 100% safe. Yes, someone can walk onto a train with a bomb, but they can walk into a shopping mall with a bomb too. Do we need to go thru nude scanners to get into a shopping mall too? Probably one day knowing this country.


Any terrorist can come up with a plot that will kill a few dozen people and/or cause a couple of million in damage. The whole point (at least I thought) was to prevent them from killing a few hundred people and cause billions in damage. You know like nuking the Long Beach port, or flying a plane into the world trade center.

It's just another agency sucking at the taxpayer tit and draining our tax money.

/I always thought that getting a group of like 20-25 terrorist together armed with semi-automatic guns and randomly shooting up malls and Walmart's over the course of a few days near Christmas time would be about the cheapest worst thing they could do.
 
2012-02-06 07:19:41 PM

Inigo: Couldn't terrorists just strangle people?


That sounds like terrorist talk. Show me your hands.
 
2012-02-06 07:19:49 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: 9beers: Amtrak doesn't have shiat to say about it if it's decided that the TSA is going to take over security.

On the face of things, no, they don't. In reality, if Amtrak really doesn't want the TSA around, they probably have the clout and will to make it happen. Airlines don't have Amtrak's incentive to not piss off passengers ("What are you going to do, drive?" is a real possibility for rail customers), and the TSA doesn't have a 9/11-type incident to point to as proof they are needed.


Airports and Amtrak are private (Amtrak is gov owned corporation though). If they dont want them their, then TSA can go fuhk off. But the airports have to implement their own TSA style security.
 
2012-02-06 07:20:26 PM
I have to say, I love Amtrak. Delays, they happen, but travel by rail isn't fast anyway. You don't plan for speed, but relaxation. That's probably part of the appeal. (Well, it is for me. That and riding with lots of patient fellow passengers.) So yes, good on Amtrak for standing up to the TSA, an organization that is anything but relaxing.

That said, last time I travelled by plane, the TSA agents were very polite. And it helped that the first one I met up with was a woman I've known since I was in elementary school. This was especially good, since I hadn't travelled by air since before 2001, and procedures had changed, so she was able to walk me through it. Yeah, the TSA has major issues, but as far as I can tell at least some of the employees are decent human beings. Still would not want that job, though...
 
2012-02-06 07:22:02 PM
FTA;The TSA demanded that VIPR agents be allowed to enter yards at any hour of the day or night without notice and to watch employees from hidden positions. The railroads told the TSA to go to hell. Yards are dangerous places for amateurs, they said. It is easy to lose a leg or be crushed between couplers, not to mention that many yard employees unofficially carry guns to kill rats, and they could kill a rat in the weeds that turned out to be a human being.

Oh please, ho please, oh please, oh please......

/should have let them in, just don't warn them
//would've made a great thread
 
2012-02-06 07:22:02 PM
On any given AMTRAK train there's maybe 7 people who aren't 400lb black women, on drugs or sleeping/crazy.
 
2012-02-06 07:22:06 PM

Inigo: Couldn't terrorists just strangle people?


Try it now.

;)
 
2012-02-06 07:22:37 PM

Hector Remarkable: Bob16: Hector Remarkable: Bob16: What a farkin paranoid mess of a country.

Well, the thing is, most Americans clearly can't even be trusted in their own homes, and this is why I've supported the implantation program from the beginning. It's cheaper and more efficient than incarceration - just a simple prick behind the back of the right ear, and at least with the government knowing where you are and listening to what you're saying, we don't have to worry about terrorists.

If we just put everyone in jail we will solve all our security problems and the terrorists will stop hating us cause we're free

God Bless America, Bob16, God Bless America.


Hey you said "God bless america" twice.

Thats very suspicious
 
2012-02-06 07:23:02 PM

Oldiron_79: Hector Remarkable: The TSA is a totalitarian weapon against the citizens of the United States and should be completely disbanded, immediately.

That is dangerous unauthorized hate speech citizen. Please report to the nearest FEMA reeducation facility immediately.


Nonsense. The appropriate course is to turn him over to the military for indefinite detention without charge overseas.

/ WOLVERINES!!!
 
2012-02-06 07:26:04 PM

freewill: Oldiron_79: Hector Remarkable: The TSA is a totalitarian weapon against the citizens of the United States and should be completely disbanded, immediately.

That is dangerous unauthorized hate speech citizen. Please report to the nearest FEMA reeducation facility immediately.

Nonsense. The appropriate course is to turn him over to the military for indefinite detention without charge overseas.

/ WOLVERINES!!!


Please close Gitmo.

Please reestablish American law as preeminent on American soil, i.e. the preferred "method," as it were...

We try here or we leave them be.

Grow some balls/ovaries, America.

Seriously.
 
2012-02-06 07:28:41 PM
When are terrorists going to take of the Coast Starlight and make it arrive on time?
 
2012-02-06 07:29:02 PM
Would anyone else rather live with the real threat and danger of terrorism rather than a false sense of security w/ associated loss of rights?
 
2012-02-06 07:30:50 PM
A major question remains: Are such searches constitutional under the Fourth Amendment?"

It's not a major farking question, and the answer is, "fark no they're not constitutional." fark.
 
2012-02-06 07:32:22 PM

Bob16: Hector Remarkable: Bob16: Hector Remarkable: Bob16: What a farkin paranoid mess of a country.

Well, the thing is, most Americans clearly can't even be trusted in their own homes, and this is why I've supported the implantation program from the beginning. It's cheaper and more efficient than incarceration - just a simple prick behind the back of the right ear, and at least with the government knowing where you are and listening to what you're saying, we don't have to worry about terrorists.

If we just put everyone in jail we will solve all our security problems and the terrorists will stop hating us cause we're free

God Bless America, Bob16, God Bless America.

Hey you said "God bless america" twice.

Thats very suspicious


You know, I'd like to talk more, but I have to catch an immediate flight out of the country. I will point out. however, that I spelled 'american' right, just like one of you an american would, so it's rumal, I mean, silly to suspect me of anything other than extreme patriotism and good looks. I'm off to Estonia now for the, uh, John Wayne Festival.
 
2012-02-06 07:32:42 PM

SquiggelyGrounders: Would anyone else rather live with the real threat and danger of terrorism rather than a false sense of security w/ associated loss of rights?


Yes
 
2012-02-06 07:34:15 PM

SquiggelyGrounders: Airports and Amtrak are private (Amtrak is gov owned corporation though). If they dont want them their, then TSA can go fuhk off. But the airports have to implement their own TSA style security.


Well you just made less than no sense.
 
2012-02-06 07:34:48 PM

SquiggelyGrounders: Would anyone else rather live with the real threat and danger of terrorism rather than a false sense of security w/ associated loss of rights?


Newsletter?
 
2012-02-06 07:36:02 PM
I think TSA should take over. I'm sick of those Amway guys coming up to my door.
 
2012-02-06 07:36:04 PM

sharkbeagle: On any given AMTRAK train there's maybe 7 people who aren't 400lb black women, on drugs or sleeping/crazy.


So which one are you?
 
2012-02-06 07:36:53 PM

Walker: Do we need to go thru nude scanners to get into a shopping mall too?


Did someone say nude scanners?

NSFW
 
2012-02-06 07:38:47 PM

Intoxoman: SquiggelyGrounders: Would anyone else rather live with the real threat and danger of terrorism rather than a false sense of security w/ associated loss of rights?

Yes


Damn skippy.
 
2012-02-06 07:39:04 PM
TSA will eventually screw up all forms of transportation. They will be dragging families from their vehicles and put them in concentration camps because they might be terrorists ... oh wait, that was the Nazis from 1933-45 !
 
2012-02-06 07:39:08 PM
Seems legit

scrapetv.com
 
2012-02-06 07:39:48 PM
unclecrazy99: TSA will eventually screw up all forms of transportation. They will be dragging families from their vehicles and put them in concentration camps because they might be terrorists ... oh wait, that was the Nazis from 1933-45 !

Ver are your papers!
 
2012-02-06 07:40:42 PM
I don't understand how the TSA continues to exist when they appear to be universally despised by both the left and right. *Rand Paul* gets strip searched and he barely complains.

Does the TSA have incriminating pics of every single member of congress or what?
 
2012-02-06 07:40:43 PM

Indubitably: Hector Remarkable: The TSA is a totalitarian weapon against the citizens of the United States and should be completely disbanded, immediately.

+1


I'd say that I agree, but I'm afraid I'd be put on some no-ride-fly watch list or somthin.
 
2012-02-06 07:41:06 PM

pedobearapproved: /I always thought that getting a group of like 20-25 terrorist together armed with semi-automatic guns and randomly shooting up malls and Walmart's over the course of a few days near Christmas time would be about the cheapest worst thing they could do.


Steal a small plane from a New Jersey or Pennsylvania airport on New Years Eve. Quickly strip out any extra weight, and install a primitive sheet metal bin with a hatch on the bottom of the plane that can be opened from the cabin. Load bin with flour. (Anthrax optional.) Take off, fly low and slow to NYC, buzz the Times Square crowds, and open the hatch.

Watch hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world panic and run to escape the dust cloud. Watch NYC's tourism shrink to nothing (two attacks, same city). Watch conspiracy theorists claim the dust was anthrax (even if it wasn't), radioactive, dumped by the government, dumped by a missile, not a plane, etc.

/For bonus points, crash the plane into the Statue of Liberty for a symbolic kick-to-the-balls of America
//I'm actually surprised this didn't happen last year, it being the 10th anniversary and all
 
2012-02-06 07:43:07 PM

9beers: SquiggelyGrounders: Airports and Amtrak are private (Amtrak is gov owned corporation though). If they dont want them their, then TSA can go fuhk off. But the airports have to implement their own TSA style security.

Well you just made less than no sense.


Typos aside, TFA states:

"Again, the TSA had no choice. It is not well known, but the TSA must have permission to go onto private property. That makes no difference at airports because the TSA must approve any new airport security arrangements if the agency is ordered to leave. The TSA has made it known that it will immediately move its equipment out of any airport that tells it to leave, and it will take weeks or months to approve any new security arrangements and equipment. At railroads, however, all the security equipment is owned by the railroads."

What do you take issue with?
 
2012-02-06 07:45:14 PM

Hector Remarkable: Inigo: Couldn't terrorists just strangle people?

That sounds like terrorist talk. Show me your hands.


Yup, you've got hands, all right. Those will have to go in the bin, or you don't ride.
 
2012-02-06 07:46:22 PM

9beers: SquiggelyGrounders: Airports and Amtrak are private (Amtrak is gov owned corporation though). If they dont want them their, then TSA can go fuhk off. But the airports have to implement their own TSA style security.

Well you just made less than no sense.


The Screening Partnership Program, or SPP, manages the use of qualified private vendors to perform the screening of passengers and baggage at airports participating in the Program. The Program was designed to meet the requirement for the "opt-out" provision established in the Aviation and Transportation Security Act of 2001, commonly referred to as ATSA. Since November 19, 2004, airport authorities have been eligible under SPP to submit an application to TSA to use private contract screeners.

But then of course, they tack this on:

Can an airport authority / public airport apply to TSA to provide its own contract screening services?

ATSA provisions expressly authorize TSA to award a screening contract to a "qualified private screening company," defined as a company "owned and controlled by a citizen of the United States," to the extent that the Under Secretary (now the Assistant Secretary) determines that such companies exist. Because a public airport does not exist as a company "owned and controlled by a citizen of the United States," TSA interprets the relevant ATSA provisions as excluding a public airport from competing for and obtaining a screening contract with TSA. An airport would need to form a private entity to compete for a screening contract. State laws will set forth what is required to incorporate.


/Link (new window)
 
2012-02-06 07:46:44 PM

Walker: Searching people with airport-like security is stupid for trains. .



Searching people with airport-like security is pretty stupid for airports
 
2012-02-06 07:47:48 PM
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Terrorism - the new Red Scare! Buy now!
 
2012-02-06 07:50:17 PM

ProfessorOhki: 9beers: SquiggelyGrounders: Airports and Amtrak are private (Amtrak is gov owned corporation though). If they dont want them their, then TSA can go fuhk off. But the airports have to implement their own TSA style security.

Well you just made less than no sense.

The Screening Partnership Program, or SPP, manages the use of qualified private vendors to perform the screening of passengers and baggage at airports participating in the Program. The Program was designed to meet the requirement for the "opt-out" provision established in the Aviation and Transportation Security Act of 2001, commonly referred to as ATSA. Since November 19, 2004, airport authorities have been eligible under SPP to submit an application to TSA to use private contract screeners.

But then of course, they tack this on:

Can an airport authority / public airport apply to TSA to provide its own contract screening services?

ATSA provisions expressly authorize TSA to award a screening contract to a "qualified private screening company," defined as a company "owned and controlled by a citizen of the United States," to the extent that the Under Secretary (now the Assistant Secretary) determines that such companies exist. Because a public airport does not exist as a company "owned and controlled by a citizen of the United States," TSA interprets the relevant ATSA provisions as excluding a public airport from competing for and obtaining a screening contract with TSA. An airport would need to form a private entity to compete for a screening contract. State laws will set forth what is required to incorporate.

/Link (new window)


Standing corrected
 
2012-02-06 07:50:36 PM
I went on Amtrak for the first time on March last year. Trip was 15 hours each way but I was able to take it as a substitute to Airline travel.
The seats were as big as bus seats, much more room than an airplane. On the way back, I had to suffer through some guy playing loud music from his phone to impress the girl next to him. Only lasted 1 hour, but was still better than the crap you have to deal with when flying.

I really liked it and had some time to read. You trade smelling jet fumes on takeoff and landing for the bus toilet smell. It is not always there. But remember to bring water with you, a lot.
 
2012-02-06 07:50:42 PM

Avery614: FTA;The TSA demanded that VIPR agents be allowed to enter yards at any hour of the day or night without notice and to watch employees from hidden positions. The railroads told the TSA to go to hell. Yards are dangerous places for amateurs, they said. It is easy to lose a leg or be crushed between couplers, not to mention that many yard employees unofficially carry guns to kill rats, and they could kill a rat in the weeds that turned out to be a human being.

Oh please, ho please, oh please, oh please......

/should have let them in, just don't warn them
//would've made a great thread


More like sliced up lie French-cut string bean.
 
2012-02-06 07:51:27 PM

kd1s: The interesting thing to recall here is that Amtrak has it's OWN police. So good on them for teaching TSA how it's done!


All major railroads and many smaller ones in the US operate their own police force. Usually they're just there to chase away/arrest trespassers and assist with accident investigation, but the Amtrak ones also did the bulk of the security screening until the TSA arrived, then they switched to supervising the TSA clowns.

Good on Amtrak. I never feel pressured on Amtrak like I do walking through an airport TSA cancer-scanner. Heck, the TSA, Amtrak police, and MBTA (Boston transit) police were downright friendly and while visible, their presence never felt obtrusive. The airport TSA can learn a few things from them.

/Chicago TSA/transit police presence felt a little more intense.
 
2012-02-06 07:53:16 PM
I love the implied blackmail by government agencies. FTFA:

"Again, the TSA had no choice. It is not well known, but the TSA must have permission to go onto private property. That makes no difference at airports because the TSA must approve any new airport security arrangements if the agency is ordered to leave. The TSA has made it known that it will immediately move its equipment out of any airport that tells it to leave, and it will take weeks or months to approve any new security arrangements and equipment."

Blackmail, pure and simple

/"nice airport. Wouldn't want anything to happen to it"
//no parking in the red zone
 
2012-02-06 07:54:24 PM

SquiggelyGrounders: What do you take issue with?


You say that Amtrak is private and then say it's owned by the government. You then say that a business owned by the government can tell the government to "fark off" when it comes to what policies they'll be made to follow.

The TSA could announce tomorrow that they were taking over security and Amtrak couldn't do a damn thing about it.
 
2012-02-06 07:54:49 PM
I wonder how we've gone so long without terrorists attacks on our roads without the TSA grabbing our junk everyday on our way to school/work/the market.....every driveway should have a TSA checkpoint
 
2012-02-06 07:55:38 PM
I guess I have to duck when I say this, but I've never had any problems with airport security. Yes, the lines are occassionally too long when they don't manage throughput appropriately. But I never thought the security screening itself was a big deal. I guess I'm the lucky one, but I've never even seen anyone from security be rude.

/yes, I do travel a good bit
 
2012-02-06 07:57:00 PM
What kind of douche asses make their anagram spell VIPR, just so they can tell women they're a Viper?

Their dicks must be about an inch long and half and inch thick.
 
2012-02-06 07:57:05 PM

rev. dave: I went on Amtrak for the first time on March last year. Trip was 15 hours each way but I was able to take it as a substitute to Airline travel.
The seats were as big as bus seats, much more room than an airplane. On the way back, I had to suffer through some guy playing loud music from his phone to impress the girl next to him. Only lasted 1 hour, but was still better than the crap you have to deal with when flying.

I really liked it and had some time to read. You trade smelling jet fumes on takeoff and landing for the bus toilet smell. It is not always there. But remember to bring water with you, a lot.


I visited the US for the first time last year and rode the train from Chicago to Milwaukee (and back again a week later) - only about a 90 minute trip, but it was comfortable, the train crew was courteous and professional and I got to see the countryside a bit. It's a good service and stations in the middle of the city makes transfers to your accommodation much simpler than faffing around at the airport.
 
2012-02-06 07:58:58 PM

Jimmysolson: Indubitably: Hector Remarkable: The TSA is a totalitarian weapon against the citizens of the United States and should be completely disbanded, immediately.

+1

I'd say that I agree, but I'm afraid I'd be put on some no-ride-fly watch list or somthin.


Dude,

Try next time you fly you die...

;)
 
2012-02-06 07:59:18 PM

Mikeyworld: I love the implied blackmail by government agencies. FTFA:

"Again, the TSA had no choice. It is not well known, but the TSA must have permission to go onto private property. That makes no difference at airports because the TSA must approve any new airport security arrangements if the agency is ordered to leave. The TSA has made it known that it will immediately move its equipment out of any airport that tells it to leave, and it will take weeks or months to approve any new security arrangements and equipment."

Blackmail, pure and simple

/"nice airport. Wouldn't want anything to happen to it"
//no parking in the red zone


Damn Obama. Damn Democrats. When will they stop stealing our civil liberties by starting agencies like the TSA? They just want to spend more money and have an excuse to collect more tax $$$.
 
2012-02-06 07:59:59 PM
Meanwhile, over at the yards, freight railroads were having their own problems with the VIPR teams. The TSA demanded that VIPR agents be allowed to enter yards at any hour of the day or night without notice and to watch employees from hidden positions. The railroads Mafia told the TSA to go to hell.

FTFY
 
2012-02-06 08:00:14 PM

gimmegimme: Mikeyworld: I love the implied blackmail by government agencies. FTFA:

"Again, the TSA had no choice. It is not well known, but the TSA must have permission to go onto private property. That makes no difference at airports because the TSA must approve any new airport security arrangements if the agency is ordered to leave. The TSA has made it known that it will immediately move its equipment out of any airport that tells it to leave, and it will take weeks or months to approve any new security arrangements and equipment."

Blackmail, pure and simple

/"nice airport. Wouldn't want anything to happen to it"
//no parking in the red zone

Damn Obama. Damn Democrats. When will they stop stealing our civil liberties by starting agencies like the TSA? They just want to spend more money and have an excuse to collect more tax $$$.


Pffft.

Politics started, party aside, and you know that.
 
2012-02-06 08:00:14 PM
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...Is he this guy?

Alternative Transportation Reporter:

www.filmschoolrejects.com
 
2012-02-06 08:01:06 PM

9beers: SquiggelyGrounders: What do you take issue with?

You say that Amtrak is private and then say it's owned by the government. You then say that a business owned by the government can tell the government to "fark off" when it comes to what policies they'll be made to follow.

The TSA could announce tomorrow that they were taking over security and Amtrak couldn't do a damn thing about it.


See above
 
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