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(CNN)   Amtrak to TSA: How about no   (cnn.com) divider line 210
    More: Hero, TSA, International Herald Tribune, savannahs, John O'Connor, Keystone Kops, Visible Intermodal Prevention  
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2012-02-06 03:22:39 PM  
Remember in 2001 when the terrorists took over the trains and ran them on the tracks to their desitinations without running them into buildings?
 
2012-02-06 03:32:38 PM  
They might have a point. Even if both legitimate customers ganged up, they probably couldn't take down four terrorists working together.
 
2012-02-06 03:39:11 PM  
Good. Amtrak has always been a pleasant experience for me.
 
2012-02-06 04:08:05 PM  
If terrorists want to kill people on a train they can just park a truck full of explosives on any of the thousands of miles of unguarded tracks or just stop on a public road that tracks run right over. Searching people with airport-like security is stupid for trains. Nothing is 100% safe. Yes, someone can walk onto a train with a bomb, but they can walk into a shopping mall with a bomb too. Do we need to go thru nude scanners to get into a shopping mall too? Probably one day knowing this country.
 
2012-02-06 04:08:41 PM  
The Transportation Security Administration's Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response teams (VIPR) conducted 3,895 surface transportation operations in 2010

That sounds like a lot of money for a bunch of TSA drool clowns to stand around not doing much of anything useful. I thought we were going to put a stop to government waste.

/DEA can go too for that matter
 
2012-02-06 04:23:14 PM  
My favorite part of this article is that it appears that the Amtrak police are refusing to cover up the incompetence of the VIPR teams and requests.

If only all agencies felt so free to criticize each other.
 
2012-02-06 04:30:42 PM  
It often strikes me as eerie that I was in the security line at 1WTC in late 2000 (implemented after the bombing a few years before) and thought to myself "do people really think a guy's going to get in line to deliver a bomb or something?"
 
2012-02-06 04:32:50 PM  

I_C_Weener: Remember in 2001 when the terrorists took over the trains and ran them on the tracks to their desitinations without running them into buildings?


Dammit. Made me read it three times before I caught on. Need coffee.
 
2012-02-06 04:34:02 PM  

MisterTweak: It often strikes me as eerie that I was in the security line at 1WTC in late 2000 (implemented after the bombing a few years before) and thought to myself "do people really think a guy's going to get in line to deliver a bomb or something?"


Yeah, the government agents got to skip the line, probably because they planted the bombs after hours.
 
2012-02-06 05:01:55 PM  

Walker: If terrorists want to kill people on a train they can just park a truck full of explosives on any of the thousands of miles of unguarded tracks or just stop on a public road that tracks run right over. Searching people with airport-like security is stupid for trains. Nothing is 100% safe. Yes, someone can walk onto a train with a bomb, but they can walk into a shopping mall with a bomb too. Do we need to go thru nude scanners to get into a shopping mall too? Probably one day knowing this country.


Dammit, now you're telling the terrorists how to commit their heinous acts... The blood's on your hands, man, on your hands.
 
2012-02-06 05:41:20 PM  
FTFA: Yards are dangerous places for amateurs, they said. It is easy to lose a leg or be crushed between couplers, not to mention that many yard employees unofficially carry guns to kill rats, and they could kill a rat in the weeds that turned out to be a human being.

You don't want to fark over the entire day's schedule by being the dumbass TSA agent that got flattened by a train. They have to halt everything whilst they search for *all* your splattered bits amongst the gravel and then fill out paperwork with the police.

FTFA: O'Connor's rules say passengers are always to be treated with courtesy.

Which means the TSA can't do things their heavy handed way at Amtrak. Amtrak knows that they'd lose all their customers if the TSA locked down train stations and started groping everyone.
 
2012-02-06 06:52:09 PM  
Amtrak doesn't have shiat to say about it if it's decided that the TSA is going to take over security.
 
2012-02-06 06:52:16 PM  
LOVE trains.

Not A-burger-like, just coo, yo...

;)
 
2012-02-06 06:53:41 PM  
The TSA is a totalitarian weapon against the citizens of the United States and should be completely disbanded, immediately.
 
2012-02-06 06:54:32 PM  

Hector Remarkable: The TSA is a totalitarian weapon against the citizens of the United States and should be completely disbanded, immediately.


+1
 
2012-02-06 06:56:18 PM  
Hector Remarkable: The TSA is a totalitarian weapon against the citizens of the United States and should be completely disbanded, immediately.

That is dangerous unauthorized hate speech citizen. Please report to the nearest FEMA reeducation facility immediately.
 
2012-02-06 06:57:03 PM  

Oldiron_79: Hector Remarkable: The TSA is a totalitarian weapon against the citizens of the United States and should be completely disbanded, immediately.

That is dangerous unauthorized hate speech citizen. Please report to the nearest FEMA reeducation facility immediately.


Yes, sir.
 
2012-02-06 06:57:07 PM  
penthesilea: You don't want to fark over the entire day's schedule by being the dumbass TSA agent that got flattened by a train. They have to halt everything whilst they search for *all* your splattered bits amongst the gravel and then fill out paperwork with the police.

Of all the reasons for a train to be delayed, I think that's one of the ones I'd have the fewest problems with.
 
2012-02-06 06:57:29 PM  

Walker: Do we need to go thru nude scanners to get into a shopping mall too?


Don't give them ideas, man. Don't give them ideas.

/they'll just install telescreens
//"It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself--anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face...; was itself a punishable offense. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime..."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 5
 
2012-02-06 06:58:03 PM  

Hector Remarkable: The TSA is a totalitarian weapon against the citizens of the United States and should be completely disbanded, immediately.


imokwiththis.jpg
 
2012-02-06 06:59:37 PM  

Oldiron_79: Hector Remarkable: The TSA is a totalitarian weapon against the citizens of the United States and should be completely disbanded, immediately.

That is dangerous unauthorized hate speech citizen. Please report to the nearest FEMA reeducation facility immediately.


Um.

Who died and made you God and determiner?

Stand down.

P.S. Yer fears are fickle... ;)
 
2012-02-06 06:59:45 PM  
I heard the TSA choir is going to do next years Superbowl Halftime show.
 
2012-02-06 07:00:15 PM  

Walker: Yes, someone can walk onto a train with a bomb, but they can walk into a shopping mall with a bomb too. Do we need to go thru nude scanners to get into a shopping mall too?


Shhh! Don't give the TSA any clever ideas!
 
2012-02-06 07:00:34 PM  

fredklein: Walker: Do we need to go thru nude scanners to get into a shopping mall too?

Don't give them ideas, man. Don't give them ideas.

/they'll just install telescreens
//"It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself--anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face...; was itself a punishable offense. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime..."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 5


That is probably closer than you think.
 
2012-02-06 07:00:59 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-02-06 07:01:01 PM  
The interesting thing to recall here is that Amtrak has it's OWN police. So good on them for teaching TSA how it's done!
 
2012-02-06 07:01:11 PM  
What a farkin paranoid mess of a country.
 
2012-02-06 07:01:45 PM  
You laugh now, but one of these days a terrorist will hijack a train and drive it right through grand central station!

/...and it will be on schedule.
 
2012-02-06 07:02:01 PM  

Another Government Employee: fredklein: Walker: Do we need to go thru nude scanners to get into a shopping mall too?

Don't give them ideas, man. Don't give them ideas.

/they'll just install telescreens
//"It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself--anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face...; was itself a punishable offense. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime..."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 5

That is probably closer than you think.


Link (new window)
 
2012-02-06 07:02:01 PM  

9beers: Amtrak doesn't have shiat to say about it if it's decided that the TSA is going to take over security.


On the face of things, no, they don't. In reality, if Amtrak really doesn't want the TSA around, they probably have the clout and will to make it happen. Airlines don't have Amtrak's incentive to not piss off passengers ("What are you going to do, drive?" is a real possibility for rail customers), and the TSA doesn't have a 9/11-type incident to point to as proof they are needed.
 
2012-02-06 07:02:37 PM  
Those silly VIPR teams occasionally show up on commuter trains here in Texas.. which really seems very pointless because you already know there's a dozen guns riding the train. What are they going to do, ask you if you have any weapons? Why yes TSAman, I do... what are you going to do about it? Welcome to Texas.
 
2012-02-06 07:03:10 PM  

Big Man On Campus: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x860]


farkin' LOVE it.

Replicate and distribute, plz.

Oh, wait.

You already did...

;)
 
2012-02-06 07:03:21 PM  

Walker: Do we need to go thru nude scanners to get into a shopping mall too? Probably one day knowing this country.


Talk about a federal jobs program.......
 
2012-02-06 07:04:23 PM  

Hector Remarkable: The TSA is a totalitarian weapon against the citizens of the United States and should be completely disbanded, immediately.


Hear, hear.
 
2012-02-06 07:05:45 PM  

Indubitably: Big Man On Campus: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x860]

farkin' LOVE it.

Replicate and distribute, plz.

Oh, wait.

You already did...

;)



Don't make fun of me for hotlinking. I can't be photoshoppy/creative on the internets at work, I have to use the works of others...
 
2012-02-06 07:05:54 PM  
I took my 1097th flight since 9/11 today. The government still feels the need to search me.

Don't we have a standard list of point/ counter points on TSA to seed all of these discussions? Something like...

You don't have to fly... it is a privilege not a right?
The supreme court ruled that searches at airports are constitutional
Do you not want to be safe?

and then

The TSA has not one success story
The terrorists boarded planes legally
The barricading of the cockpit has solved the problem of 9/11

etc?

Anyone have such a list?
 
2012-02-06 07:06:00 PM  

timujin:

Dammit, now you're telling the terrorists how to commit their heinous acts... The blood's on your hands, man, on your hands.


So chavs with a railway sleeper are terrorists now? Actually.... now I think about it... huh. Yeah ok I'm all for this.
 
2012-02-06 07:06:05 PM  

Bob16: What a farkin paranoid mess of a country.


Well, the thing is, most Americans clearly can't even be trusted in their own homes, and this is why I've supported the implantation program from the beginning. It's cheaper and more efficient than incarceration - just a simple prick behind the back of the right ear, and at least with the government knowing where you are and listening to what you're saying, we don't have to worry about terrorists.
 
2012-02-06 07:06:56 PM  
This must be why the conservatards and authoritarians in congress can't stand Amtrak.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-02-06 07:07:26 PM  
But is the threat sufficient on railroads to allow warrantless searches of people who have stirred no obvious suspicions? That case has yet to be heard.

The case was heard in 2004 and decided adversely to the people. As a show of force for the Democratic National Convention police searched people entering transit stations. A challenge this went to federal appeals court which upheld the searches. Police later searched passengers when there was no big event and courts haven't told them to stop.

At the time they said you could leave without being searched. However, not long after the DNC state authorities won a court ruling that police could forcibly detain and search people who declined "administrative" searches, pursuing them off premises if necessary.
 
2012-02-06 07:07:34 PM  
www.palzoo.net
 
2012-02-06 07:07:55 PM  

Big Man On Campus: Indubitably: Big Man On Campus: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x860]

farkin' LOVE it.

Replicate and distribute, plz.

Oh, wait.

You already did...

;)


Don't make fun of me for hotlinking. I can't be photoshoppy/creative on the internets at work, I have to use the works of others...


No funnin', friend.

I like you and yer makings.

Soooo....

Yay, fun-friend!

;)
 
2012-02-06 07:08:48 PM  

germ78: This must be why the conservatards and authoritarians in congress can't stand Amtrak.


It's retardumblican, I believe...

;)
 
2012-02-06 07:08:50 PM  
fredklein: Walker: Do we need to go thru nude scanners to get into a shopping mall too?

Don't give them ideas, man. Don't give them ideas.

/they'll just install telescreens
//"It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself--anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face...; was itself a punishable offense. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime..."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 5


1984, only off by 28 years.

Seriously we don't want to build a border fence with Mexico. shiat might get crazy enough that we want to go live there.
 
2012-02-06 07:09:41 PM  

I_C_Weener: Remember in 2001 when the terrorists took over the trains and ran them on the tracks to their desitinations without running them into buildings?


Remember how they changed the conversation from "Is this necessary and is it even legal or desirable?" to "Which of these things is the better one that we should implement everywhere?"
 
2012-02-06 07:09:57 PM  
a nephew who spent too much time immersing himself into online conspiracy paranoia sites (negative side effect of long term unemployment) long ago told me the end goal is to one day have checks at all heavily used points of public transportation in the usa.
i'm so glad he found a job and a good woman, now his wife. these things really helped him to lighten up a little.
 
2012-02-06 07:10:13 PM  
Taking over a train feeling like a lot of work when all you need are some pennies on the tracks.
 
2012-02-06 07:10:14 PM  
i2.cdn.turner.com

Apparently Robin Williams is now a reporter for Trains magazine.
 
2012-02-06 07:13:22 PM  

Hector Remarkable: Bob16: What a farkin paranoid mess of a country.

Well, the thing is, most Americans clearly can't even be trusted in their own homes, and this is why I've supported the implantation program from the beginning. It's cheaper and more efficient than incarceration - just a simple prick behind the back of the right ear, and at least with the government knowing where you are and listening to what you're saying, we don't have to worry about terrorists.


If we just put everyone in jail we will solve all our security problems and the terrorists will stop hating us cause we're free
 
2012-02-06 07:16:41 PM  

Bob16: What a farkin paranoid mess of a country.


Keep voting republican.

/The Dems will continue to parrot them so they dont look soft on terror/crime/drugs/etc
 
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