Never, never let your gun
Pointed be at any one
All the pheasant ever bred
Will not replace one man dead.

--Old English hunter's rhyme

Idiots with firearms.

More difficult to adopt a stray cat than it is to buy a Barrett.

A Rincon man accidentally shot himself in the leg

How do they know it was an accident? Maybe the leg was threatening him.

I'd say that's pretty reasonable advice whether you're at a gun show or not

Lake was re-loading the pistol in the parking lot because loaded firearms were not allowed inside the gun show

And it looks like there's a damn good reason for that.

We should require an IQ over 100 in order to possess a firearm.

If his leg had a gun, this never would've happened.

2wolves: Idiots with firearms.

More difficult to adopt a stray cat than it is to buy a Barrett.

You don't have a constitutionally protected right to own a stray cat.

sigdiamond2000: If his leg had a gun, this never would've happened.

The leg was coming right for him!

BravadoGT: 2wolves: Idiots with firearms.

More difficult to adopt a stray cat than it is to buy a Barrett.

You don't have a constitutionally protected right to own a stray cat.

There are already limits on owning firearms, why don't we put in an idiot limiter?

2wolves: There are already limits on owning firearms, why don't we put in an idiot limiter?

We can do that with the First Amendment too and you'dd have nothing to do all day.

R.A.Danny: 2wolves: There are already limits on owning firearms, why don't we put in an idiot limiter?

We can do that with the First Amendment too and you'dd have nothing to do all day.

Nah, there is already an idiot limiter in place with firearms. Unfortunately, as this article shows, it's not quite 100% effective.

dittybopper: 2wolves: Idiots with firearms.

More difficult to adopt a stray cat than it is to buy a Barrett.

No it isn't.

You don't need federal approval to adopt a cat. You need it to buy any kind of modern firearm from a dealer. It's called "NICS". When you have to get the OK of the federal government to buy a cat, then we'll talk.

Does the gun show exemption still exist?

2wolves: Does the gun show exemption still exist?

Gun shows operate under the same laws as every other firearms sale.

R.A.Danny: 2wolves: There are already limits on owning firearms, why don't we put in an idiot limiter?

We can do that with the First Amendment too and you'dd have nothing to do all day.

If you believe the First Amendment applies to Fark then any rational argument you might have had just shot itself in the pons with an 8 gauge shotgun.

Have a nice day.

2wolves: If you believe the First Amendment applies to Fark then any rational argument you might have had just shot itself in the pons with an 8 gauge shotgun.

Have a nice day.

I'm positive you say stupid shiat everywhere you go.

From the ATF site:

Q: What record-keeping procedures should be followed when two private individuals want to engage in a firearms transaction?

When a transaction takes place between private (unlicensed) persons who reside in the same State, the Gun Control Act (GCA) does not require any record keeping. A private person may sell a firearm to another private individual in his or her State of residence and, similarly, a private individual may buy a firearm from another private person who resides in the same State. It is not necessary under Federal law for a Federal firearms licensee (FFL) to assist in the sale or transfer when the buyer and seller are "same-State" residents. Of course, the transferor/seller may not knowingly transfer a firearm to someone who falls within any of the categories of prohibited persons contained in the GCA. See 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(g) and (n). However, as stated above, there are no GCA-required records to be completed by either party to the transfer.

There may be State or local laws or regulations that govern this type of transaction. Contact State Police units or the office of your State Attorney General for information on any such requirements.

Please note that if a private person wants to obtain a firearm from a private person who resides in another State, the firearm will have to be shipped to an FFL in the buyer's State. The FFL will be responsible for record keeping. See also Question B3.


So.

R.A.Danny: 2wolves: If you believe the First Amendment applies to Fark then any rational argument you might have had just shot itself in the pons with an 8 gauge shotgun.

Have a nice day.

I'm positive you say stupid shiat everywhere you go.

Who dropped a deuce in your conservative Cracker Jacks today?

2wolves: Who dropped a deuce in your conservative Cracker Jacks today?

Are there no liberal gun owners? JFK was a NRA member and a vocal advocate.

R.A.Danny: 2wolves: Who dropped a deuce in your conservative Cracker Jacks today?

Are there no liberal gun owners? JFK was a NRA member and a vocal advocate.

I own firearms. I just don't go off the rails when the subject is brought up and start insulting people.

2wolves: I own firearms. I just don't go off the rails when the subject is brought up and start insulting people.

I may be grumpy.

R.A.Danny: 2wolves: I own firearms. I just don't go off the rails when the subject is brought up and start insulting people.

I may be grumpy.

We're ok.

dittybopper:

Mr. B, You know I respect your opinions. Does the ATF quote I provided say what I believe it says? Except for a defined set of firearms no paper work is necessary.

2wolves: R.A.Danny: 2wolves: I own firearms. I just don't go off the rails when the subject is brought up and start insulting people.

I may be grumpy.

We're ok.

Cool

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DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: jbuist: 2wolves: Does the gun show exemption still exist?

Gun shows operate under the same laws as every other firearms sale.

Under the terms of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, however, individuals "not engaged in the business" of dealing firearms, or who only make "occasional" sales within their state of residence, are under no requirement to conduct background checks on purchasers or maintain records of sale (although even private sellers are forbidden under federal law from selling firearms to persons they have reason to believe are felons or otherwise prohibited from purchasing firearms).

I think that is the 'exemption' he's refering to.

That exemption has nothing to do with gun shows. There is not now, nor has there ever been an exemption, loophole, etc. that applied to gun shows. Dealers need to conduct background checks, individual sellers do not, inside a gun show, outside a gun show, or wherever.

Why would anyone have a loaded gun for sale at a gun show?

downstairs: Why would anyone have a loaded gun for sale at a gun show?

According to TFA, it was unloaded when he bought it, and he went out to the parking lot to load it, when suddenly his leg attacked him and he had to defend himself.

downstairs: Why would anyone have a loaded gun for sale at a gun show?

They wouldn't. Loaded guns aren't permitted at gun shows. Typically, they have uniformed officers at the door inspecting and securing all firearms before you are allowed entry.

BravadoGT: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: jbuist: 2wolves: Does the gun show exemption still exist?

Gun shows operate under the same laws as every other firearms sale.

Under the terms of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, however, individuals "not engaged in the business" of dealing firearms, or who only make "occasional" sales within their state of residence, are under no requirement to conduct background checks on purchasers or maintain records of sale (although even private sellers are forbidden under federal law from selling firearms to persons they have reason to believe are felons or otherwise prohibited from purchasing firearms).

I think that is the 'exemption' he's refering to.

That exemption has nothing to do with gun shows. There is not now, nor has there ever been an exemption, loophole, etc. that applied to gun shows. Dealers need to conduct background checks, individual sellers do not, inside a gun show, outside a gun show, or wherever.

The article did relate to gun shows. My comment did not. Sorry I went off topic. My point still stands.

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: BravadoGT: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: jbuist: 2wolves: Does the gun show exemption still exist?

Gun shows operate under the same laws as every other firearms sale.

Under the terms of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, however, individuals "not engaged in the business" of dealing firearms, or who only make "occasional" sales within their state of residence, are under no requirement to conduct background checks on purchasers or maintain records of sale (although even private sellers are forbidden under federal law from selling firearms to persons they have reason to believe are felons or otherwise prohibited from purchasing firearms).

I think that is the 'exemption' he's refering to.

That exemption has nothing to do with gun shows. There is not now, nor has there ever been an exemption, loophole, etc. that applied to gun shows. Dealers need to conduct background checks, individual sellers do not, inside a gun show, outside a gun show, or wherever.

Individual sellers are exempt from having to do the backgound checks or the record keeping. That's an exemption. I'm making a guess that is the exemption he referred to, but bump your chest out all you want if you think not.

It's not a question of "bumping my chest out"--it's a question of refuting the the myth of a "gun show loophole" gun-rights opponents enjoy perpetuating.

dittybopper: 2wolves: dittybopper:

Mr. B, You know I respect your opinions. Does the ATF quote I provided say what I believe it says? Except for a defined set of firearms no paper work is necessary.

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking.

You were talking about a 'gun show exemption', and there isn't one: The same laws apply both in and outside a gun show: Dealer sales require a NICS check, with some exceptions, and private sales don't.

If you are an FFL and you set up a table at a gun show, and you try to sell a gun without doing a NICS check, you'd be in violation of federal law.

If you are a private individual, and you take some of your gun collection to the gun show to sell them, you don't need to do a NICS check, because you aren't a federally licensed dealer. You are a private individual selling to other private individuals.

My original comment had nothing to do with gun shows, which was admittedly off topic. I was certain that there was a "No papers" process for buying firearms and made an error with the gun show exemption. Tthe ATF appears to be saying that individual to individual swaps/sales are legal without any notice to anyone if the firearm type does not fall into the restricted set.

So yes, it is easier for me to purchase, from a private individual, a firearm than to adopt a cat in Montgomery County, MD.

BravadoGT:

It's not a question of "bumping my chest out"--it's a question of refuting the the myth of a "gun show loophole" gun-rights opponents enjoy perpetuating.

Which I've admitted to being in error. My mistake.

Move on.

2wolves: BravadoGT:

It's not a question of "bumping my chest out"--it's a question of refuting the the myth of a "gun show loophole" gun-rights opponents enjoy perpetuating.

Which I've admitted to being in error. My mistake.

Move on.

Actually, that particular comment was a response to DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke. To quote his his majesty Ronius Paulus: "I wasn't even thinking about you... so you are overly sensitive."

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: /didn't realize gunshows had a mythology

Ever read American Gods?

2wolves: So yes, it is easier for me to purchase, from a private individual, a firearm than to adopt a cat in Montgomery County, MD.

Hmm.

So what kind of restrictions do you have on cat sales by individuals in MD?

jbuist: 2wolves: So yes, it is easier for me to purchase, from a private individual, a firearm than to adopt a cat in Montgomery County, MD.

Hmm.

So what kind of restrictions do you have on cat sales by individuals in MD?

Adoption was the word I used. Not sale. SPCA requires a signed contract.

Humane Society:

Step One

The first step in the adoption process is to view the animals during visiting hours. All family members must visit with the animal within 24 hours of filling out the application.

Please bring paper and a pen. When you arrive at the shelter, you may go directly back to the animal areas. You do not need to sign in or wait in line at the front desk for this first step. Once you are in the animal areas, if you see an animal that you would like to visit with, write down the pet's name and/or number. Cats, kittens and puppies are given names; adult dogs are given numbers.

At this step in the process, it is a good idea to write down information on as many different animals as possible, since some of the animals that interest you may already have adoption applications.
Step Two

Once you have a list of animals in which you are interested, bring it to the information desk in the lobby (if open) or if not, to the front counter and sign in. Please attempt to limit your request to three different animal visits.

When a customer service representative is available, they will review your list and give you the pertinent information on each of the animals that interest you, so that you can make notes accordingly.

Select the animals that are still available to visit with and go back to that area and wait for an animal caretaker to assist you. Please wait in the designated areas, not by the animal's cage. This is very important as if you wait by the animal's cage, there may be a long delay in getting assistance.

If you are visiting with a dog, wait just inside the main kennel door by the sign.

If you are visiting with a cat, wait in the main cat room (the second door on the right of the cat area).

If you are interested in small animals, birds or reptiles, please ask the front office for assistance as many of these animals are out of view to the general public.
Step Three

Once you have finished your visits and have chosen an animal(s), return to the front counter in the lobby and sign in. When your name is called, you will be given an application to complete for the animal you have selected.

Please make sure that you bring your driver's license or other form of ID with you, as well as your landlord's contact information, if needed. All family members must visit with the animal within 24 hours of filling out the application. The application cannot be processed until this is done and we have received the landlord's permission.

Applications are taken on a first come, first-serve basis to adopters within a 60-mile radius.
Step Four

Once this process has been completed, your application will be assigned to one of our adoption counselors. This counselor will contact you to arrange an interview, answer any questions, and discuss ways to make this adoption a smoother transition for both you and your pet.

The counselor will offer vital information such as how to introduce your new pet to your current pet(s), how to get help with illness, if necessary, and the importance of monitoring children with your new pet.

We try to assign all applications within 72 hours of the time that the animal becomes available. The adoption process may take longer if the animal you have selected 1) is a stray that must be held for six days or 2) has a previous application that must be processed.

Please do not be discouraged to apply for an animal that already has an application. It is commonplace for applications to be withdrawn and as a result, your application could become the first one on the animal.
Step Five

Once the adoption counselor has contacted you, the interview must be done ASAP, as it is our goal to find appropriate homes for the animals as fast as possible in order to make room at the shelter for incoming animals. Once the interview has been completed, we ask that you return to the shelter within 24 hours to complete the contract unless other arrangements have been made.
Step Six

When you come to the shelter to complete you adoption paperwork, you will need to be prepared to pay all adoption fees. Included in the fees is a mandatory fee for the animal's spay or neuter (unless the animal is already spayed or neutered) at a flat rate of $70 for cats and $120 for dogs.

Your pets will also be required to see a veterinarian for a complimentary post-adoption screening. You will be furnished with a coupon and list of participating vets when you sign your adoption contract.

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It can be worse

2wolves: Adoption was the word I used. Not sale. SPCA requires a signed contract.

Humane Society:

Step One

Ok, those are just private rules set by the organization. There's no law against private sales of pets, right?

Another case of "Glock leg", eh?

2wolves: jbuist: 2wolves: So yes, it is easier for me to purchase, from a private individual, a firearm than to adopt a cat in Montgomery County, MD.

Hmm.

So what kind of restrictions do you have on cat sales by individuals in MD?

Adoption was the word I used. Not sale. SPCA requires a signed contract.

Humane Society:

Step One

The first step in the adoption process is to view the animals during visiting hours. All family members must visit with the animal within 24 hours of filling out the application.

Please bring paper and a pen. When you arrive at the shelter, you may go directly back to the animal areas. You do not need to sign in or wait in line at the front desk for this first step. Once you are in the animal areas, if you see an animal that you would like to visit with, write down the pet's name and/or number. Cats, kittens and puppies are given names; adult dogs are given numbers.

At this step in the process, it is a good idea to write down information on as many different animals as possible, since some of the animals that interest you may already have adoption applications.
Step Two

Once you have a list of animals in which you are interested, bring it to the information desk in the lobby (if open) or if not, to the front counter and sign in. Please attempt to limit your request to three different animal visits.

When a customer service representative is available, they will review your list and give you the pertinent information on each of the animals that interest you, so that you can make notes accordingly.

Select the animals that are still available to visit with and go back to that area and wait for an animal caretaker to assist you. Please wait in the designated areas, not by the animal's cage. This is very important as if you wait by the animal's cage, there may be a long delay in getting assistance.

If you are visiting with a dog, wait just inside the main kennel door by the sign.

If you are visiting with a cat, wait in the main cat room (the s ...

And what kind of requirements are there if you are just a private seller and not in the business of selling/giving away animals?

jbuist: 2wolves: Adoption was the word I used. Not sale. SPCA requires a signed contract.

Humane Society:

Step One

Ok, those are just private rules set by the organization. There's no law against private sales of pets, right?

I don't know. I referenced adoption.

Let me look.