Why anyone would want Romney as President is completely beyond me.

My only hope is that they get drunk with their new power an immolate themselves with overreach.

To give unlimited amounts of money an effort to sway elections, are Super PACs required to have ridiculous overly-patriotic cheesy names as some sort of "evil vs goofy" balance?

sprawl15: Why anyone would want Romney as President is completely beyond me.

Well... the Marriott family is Mormon, so they are just helping a brother out.

The other guys are just rich.

sprawl15: Why anyone would want Romney as President is completely beyond me.

It's not about what they want. It's about what they don't want. Obama and the libs are ruining America.

Wish we could know what the largest donors expected in return for their donations. They didn't get rich throwing their money away. They expect a return on their investment.

LarryDan43: Wish we could know what the largest donors expected in return for their donations. They didn't get rich throwing their money away. They expect a return on their investment.

They buy access. That's all they need; essentially, they guarantee themselves an audience with the president and invitations to lavish cocktail dinners and certain favors for their industries when it comes to new legislation.

bulldg4life: To give unlimited amounts of money an effort to sway elections, are Super PACs required to have ridiculous overly-patriotic cheesy names as some sort of "evil vs goofy" balance?

The best way to make an organization that is focused on weakening the political power of the average american appear non-threatening is to give it a name that sounds TOTALLY PRO-AMERICA! If you called it "Wealthy doner provided slush fund for bought candidates" people might actually ask questions.

Im surprised theres not "Ultra American Liberty" or something.

The hilarity of it is someone probaby got paid a good deal of money to come up with some of these names.

/Best one is Colberts

Who didn't see this coming? Honestly.

This is what real class warfare looks like. As middle class people we are fighting with pitchforks and torches these guys are dropping 100 megaton bombs.

Shaggy_C: LarryDan43: Wish we could know what the largest donors expected in return for their donations. They didn't get rich throwing their money away. They expect a return on their investment.

They buy access. That's all they need; essentially, they guarantee themselves an audience with the president and invitations to lavish cocktail dinners and certain favors for their industries when it comes to new legislation.

So it's the big money version of networking?

sprawl15: Why anyone would want RomneyObama as President is completely beyond me.

FIFY. We all have our own perceptions.

bulldg4life: sprawl15: Why anyone would want Romney as President is completely beyond me.

It's not about what they want. It's about what they don't want. Obama and the libs are ruining America.

Yeah, but...Romney. It's like spiting your girlfriend by cheating on her. With her dog.

Can we send a bunch of colorful ghosts after them?

tcan: sprawl15: Why anyone would want Obama as President is completely beyond me.

FIFY. We all have our own perceptions.

Obama's a better Republican than Reagan.

qorkfiend: So it's the big money version of networking?

Pretty much. Notice the majority of money goes to the winners. There's not a causal relationship there - you would think "more money means a winning candidate", but oftentimes it is the candidate that looks like a winner that gets the donations. It's not even to really help the campaign, it's to start a cozy relationship with the man himself. You don't drop a million dollars and not expect something in return.

LarryDan43: Wish we could know what the largest donors expected in return for their donations. They didn't get rich throwing their money away. They expect a return on their investment.

They want a government that will increasingly hand over more and more power to corporations and the super rich.
Democracy is offensive to these people. It's mob rule. They want the power to reside with the elite few that have demonstrated the fitness to control empires.

Wanted for questioning.


Also:



/ Oblig

Check list, first name Soros... no surprises here, Citizens. Carry on.

sprawl15: tcan: sprawl15: Why anyone would want Obama as President is completely beyond me.

FIFY. We all have our own perceptions.

Obama's a better Republican than Reagan.

Please explain to me exactly what a Republican is in your mind. No, seriously.

Shaggy_C: Notice the majority of money goes to the winners.

the article says 12 billionaires gave to Romney where only 2 gave to Democrats, I wouldn't say it is hedging bets, it is about trying to get tax breaks for them specifically and they know Romney is the guy for that.

tcan: sprawl15: tcan: sprawl15: Why anyone would want Obama as President is completely beyond me.

FIFY. We all have our own perceptions.

Obama's a better Republican than Reagan.

Please explain to me exactly what a Republican is in your mind. No, seriously.

Presumably he means "a pro-war conservative capitalist".

These people have always run the show. Politics has always been rigged and the government has always worked to benefit the rich over the poor. It's just that now that process has become slightly more transparent, and generating appropriate rage. Citizens United has helped everything after all.

RandomExcess: Check list, first name Soros... no surprises here, Citizens. Carry on.

Yes, the richest person is listed first when they make a list of people who donated, sorted by rich-ness.

Instead of spewing idiocy, you could've taken an extra two seconds to see that a few other people gave much more than him to specific candidates.

Shaggy_C: LarryDan43: Wish we could know what the largest donors expected in return for their donations. They didn't get rich throwing their money away. They expect a return on their investment.

They buy access. That's all they need; essentially, they guarantee themselves an audience with the president and invitations to lavish cocktail dinners and certain favors for their industries when it comes to new legislation.

I would just love to hear the conversations during that access. Do the kochs want environmental regulations dropped because they know one of their plants can't meet the limits, but their providing a hard hit community with jobs so... or someone wants estate taxes eliminated because his offspring are idiots and will never survive on their own.

RandomExcess: Check list, first name Soros... no surprises here, Citizens. Carry on.

That's it. I'm voting for McCain.

Headso: the article says 12 billionaires gave to Romney where only 2 gave to Democrats, I wouldn't say it is hedging bets, it is about trying to get tax breaks for them specifically and they know Romney is the guy for that.

It's also very early in the campaign season. You'll see the amount of money going to Obama increase big time in the summer. Right now, Romney is in need, and when you have someone desperate for the cash they're more likely to make a deal. It's almost like extortion, really :)

LarryDan43: Shaggy_C: LarryDan43: Wish we could know what the largest donors expected in return for their donations. They didn't get rich throwing their money away. They expect a return on their investment.

They buy access. That's all they need; essentially, they guarantee themselves an audience with the president and invitations to lavish cocktail dinners and certain favors for their industries when it comes to new legislation.

I would just love to hear the conversations during that access. Do the kochs want environmental regulations dropped because they know one of their plants can't meet the limits, but their providing a hard hit community with jobs so... or someone wants estate taxes eliminated because his offspring are idiots and will never survive on their own.

They're. Stupid phone.

A Dark Evil Omen: tcan: sprawl15: tcan: sprawl15: Why anyone would want Obama as President is completely beyond me.

FIFY. We all have our own perceptions.

Obama's a better Republican than Reagan.

Please explain to me exactly what a Republican is in your mind. No, seriously.

Presumably he means "a pro-war conservative capitalist".

So would that make a Democrat " a anti-war liberal socialist?"

RandomExcess: Check list, first name Soros... no surprises here, Citizens. Carry on.

George Soros, 81, investor, NY , $22 billion. He gave $100,000 to the pro-Senate Democrats Majority PAC on 12/29/11.

Sheldon Adelson, 78, casinos, NV , $21.5 billion. He and his family gave a combined $11 million to pro-Gingrich Super PAC "Winning Our Future" in December 2011 and January 2012.

Both sides are bad - vote Republican.

B-b-b-b-butttt Soros!

A Dark Evil Omen: tcan: sprawl15: tcan: sprawl15: Why anyone would want Obama as President is completely beyond me.

FIFY. We all have our own perceptions.

Obama's a better Republican than Reagan.

Please explain to me exactly what a Republican is in your mind. No, seriously.

Presumably he means "a pro-war conservative capitalist".

You forgot pro-gun and anti-tax. Though they could be covered by 'conservative' and 'capitalist', respectively.

bulldg4life: RandomExcess: Check list, first name Soros... no surprises here, Citizens. Carry on.

Yes, the richest person is listed first when they make a list of people who donated, sorted by rich-ness.

Instead of spewing idiocy, you could've taken an extra two seconds to see that a few other people gave much more than him to specific candidates.

tcan: A Dark Evil Omen: tcan: sprawl15: tcan: sprawl15: Why anyone would want Obama as President is completely beyond me.

FIFY. We all have our own perceptions.

Obama's a better Republican than Reagan.

Please explain to me exactly what a Republican is in your mind. No, seriously.

Presumably he means "a pro-war conservative capitalist".

So would that make a Democrat " a anti-war liberal socialist?"

Ideally.

Shaggy_C: Headso: the article says 12 billionaires gave to Romney where only 2 gave to Democrats, I wouldn't say it is hedging bets, it is about trying to get tax breaks for them specifically and they know Romney is the guy for that.

It's also very early in the campaign season. You'll see the amount of money going to Obama increase big time in the summer. Right now, Romney is in need, and when you have someone desperate for the cash they're more likely to make a deal. It's almost like extortion, really :)

true, good point

Hmm, they should order that list by money donates instead of position in the Forbes top 400. I say this because it appears that Obama supports are cheapskates.

Soros $100,000 (pro senate democrat)
Spielberg $100,000 (pro Obama)

Compare that to:
Adelson 11 mil (pro Gingrich)
Paulson 1 mil (pro Romney)
Koch 1 mil (pro Romney)
Thiel 900k (pro RON PAUL)
Bill Marriott 500k (pro Romney)
Richard Marriott 500k (pro Romney)

sprawl15: A Dark Evil Omen: tcan: sprawl15: tcan: sprawl15: Why anyone would want Obama as President is completely beyond me.

FIFY. We all have our own perceptions.

Obama's a better Republican than Reagan.

Please explain to me exactly what a Republican is in your mind. No, seriously.

Presumably he means "a pro-war conservative capitalist".

You forgot pro-gun and anti-tax. Though they could be covered by 'conservative' and 'capitalist', respectively.

That's why I stipulated "conservative capitalist" instead of just conservative. American conservatism pulls in a lot of other stuff, and there is no anti-capitalist sentiment in major American politics worth speaking of. The Dems have largely positioned themselves, at least in recent years, as dove-ish liberal capitalists. Obama has governed to the right of the party's overall positioning, largely in line with DLC ideas - which are on the hawkish and conservative side - and a bit to the left of some of the most conservative Dems like those that make up the Blue Dog Coalition.

A Dark Evil Omen: sprawl15: A Dark Evil Omen: tcan: sprawl15: tcan: sprawl15: Why anyone would want Obama as President is completely beyond me.

FIFY. We all have our own perceptions.

Obama's a better Republican than Reagan.

Please explain to me exactly what a Republican is in your mind. No, seriously.

Presumably he means "a pro-war conservative capitalist".

You forgot pro-gun and anti-tax. Though they could be covered by 'conservative' and 'capitalist', respectively.

That's why I stipulated "conservative capitalist" instead of just conservative. American conservatism pulls in a lot of other stuff, and there is no anti-capitalist sentiment in major American politics worth speaking of. The Dems have largely positioned themselves, at least in recent years, as dove-ish liberal capitalists. Obama has governed to the right of the party's overall positioning, largely in line with DLC ideas - which are on the hawkish and conservative side - and a bit to the left of some of the most conservative Dems like those that make up the Blue Dog Coalition.

Eh, even then. Take the most socialist communism to ever liberal out of Washington: Obamacare. It's basically the old GOP plan. That the scale has tilted so far in the last few years doesn't really bother me when comparing to someone from before the tilt.

sprawl15: Why anyone would want Romney as President is completely beyond me.

sprawl15: A Dark Evil Omen: sprawl15: A Dark Evil Omen: tcan: sprawl15: tcan: sprawl15: Why anyone would want Obama as President is completely beyond me.

FIFY. We all have our own perceptions.

Obama's a better Republican than Reagan.

Please explain to me exactly what a Republican is in your mind. No, seriously.

Presumably he means "a pro-war conservative capitalist".

You forgot pro-gun and anti-tax. Though they could be covered by 'conservative' and 'capitalist', respectively.

That's why I stipulated "conservative capitalist" instead of just conservative. American conservatism pulls in a lot of other stuff, and there is no anti-capitalist sentiment in major American politics worth speaking of. The Dems have largely positioned themselves, at least in recent years, as dove-ish liberal capitalists. Obama has governed to the right of the party's overall positioning, largely in line with DLC ideas - which are on the hawkish and conservative side - and a bit to the left of some of the most conservative Dems like those that make up the Blue Dog Coalition.

Eh, even then. Take the most socialist communism to ever liberal out of Washington: Obamacare. It's basically the old GOP plan. That the scale has tilted so far in the last few years doesn't really bother me when comparing to someone from before the tilt.

Well, yeah, kinda my point. I am a socialist, veering anarchist, but in terms of federal politics I understand perfectly the realities of the situation. Obama governs from a similar position as Bush the Elder or Brian Mulroney and either is infinitely preferable to the far-right psychos the Republicans are standing.

A Dark Evil Omen: sprawl15: A Dark Evil Omen: sprawl15: A Dark Evil Omen: tcan: sprawl15: tcan: sprawl15: Why anyone would want Obama as President is completely beyond me.

Well, yeah, kinda my point. I am a socialist, veering anarchist, but in terms of federal politics I understand perfectly the realities of the situation. Obama governs from a similar position as Bush the Elder or Brian Mulroney and either is infinitely preferable to the far-right psychos the Republicans are standing.

Please explain which of Romney's policies are "far right". Thanks

Soros doesn't bother me. It's not fascism when we do it.

tcan: A Dark Evil Omen: sprawl15: A Dark Evil Omen: sprawl15: A Dark Evil Omen: tcan: sprawl15: tcan: sprawl15: Why anyone would want Obama as President is completely beyond me.

Well, yeah, kinda my point. I am a socialist, veering anarchist, but in terms of federal politics I understand perfectly the realities of the situation. Obama governs from a similar position as Bush the Elder or Brian Mulroney and either is infinitely preferable to the far-right psychos the Republicans are standing.

Please explain which of Romney's policies are "far right". Thanks

thanks SC_rOTUS!

PanicMan: Who didn't see this coming? Honestly.

The Supreme Court, apparently

America is the greatest representative democracy money can buy.

tcan: A Dark Evil Omen: sprawl15: A Dark Evil Omen: sprawl15: A Dark Evil Omen: tcan: sprawl15: tcan: sprawl15: Why anyone would want Obama as President is completely beyond me.

Well, yeah, kinda my point. I am a socialist, veering anarchist, but in terms of federal politics I understand perfectly the realities of the situation. Obama governs from a similar position as Bush the Elder or Brian Mulroney and either is infinitely preferable to the far-right psychos the Republicans are standing.

Please explain which of Romney's policies are "far right". Thanks

Making the tax code more regressive is the obvious one.

tcan: Please explain which of Romney's policies are "far right". Thanks

A short list:

His solution to the housing crisis is "foreclose the shiat out of people".
He's fundamentally opposed to McCain-Feingold and other campaign finance reform.
He wants to start a trade war with China.
He wants to get rid of unemployment insurance because it's hurting the unemployed.
He supports the Bush Tax Cuts.
He wants to eliminate the estate tax.
He would ignore the War Powers Resolution if he felt like it.
He wanted to double the population of Guantanamo Bay: "I want them in Guantanamo where they don't get the access to lawyers they get when they're on our soil. I don't want them in our prisons. I want them there."
He supports torture as long as you call it 'enhanced interrogation'.
He said he would nuke Iran to prevent Iran from getting nukes.