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2012-02-06 11:32:44 AM  
We have trillionaires?
 
2012-02-06 12:28:38 PM  

cmunic8r99: We have trillionaires?


Article: ..and say the US government and others should pay for a major programme of international research.

Its advocating for this on a multi national level.
 
2012-02-06 12:59:42 PM  
These morons sound dangerous and could end up costing taxpayers untold amounts of cash.
 
2012-02-06 01:46:34 PM  
Bill, seriously. Farking with lines of code is a whole lot different than farking with Mother Nature.
You really don't want to experience her BSOD.
 
2012-02-06 02:06:13 PM  

MeinRS6: These morons sound dangerous and could end up costing taxpayers untold amounts of cash.


But enough about the Koch brothers....
 
2012-02-06 02:41:32 PM  
Hell, he wants to waste his money on vaccines, he may as well waste his money on supposed global warming, too.
 
2012-02-06 02:53:29 PM  
Unless you have a plan to clean up what you spray in the atmosphere to "fix" global warming, don't do it.

I'd hate for you to speed up my demise for the premise of trying to save me.

JC
 
2012-02-06 02:58:42 PM  

JoeCowboy: Unless you have a plan to clean up what you spray in the atmosphere to "fix" global warming, don't do it.

I'd hate for you to speed up my demise for the premise of trying to save me.

JC


bostonist.com

Oh, don't be such a worry wart!
 
2012-02-06 03:02:08 PM  
images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-02-06 03:06:49 PM  
I wonder if we will find out what GeneralJim thinks of this idea?
 
2012-02-06 03:07:46 PM  

MeinRS6: These morons sound dangerous and could end up costing taxpayers untold amounts of cash.


Does it make you ill that you are on Greenpeace's side in this? Because it if does, you might finally have proven that it's possible to make stupidity physically painful.
 
2012-02-06 03:10:15 PM  

JoeCowboy: Unless you have a plan to clean up what you spray in the atmosphere to "fix" global warming, don't do it.

I'd hate for you to speed up my demise for the premise of trying to save me.

JC


That would be my primary concern as well. Although I will, at least, give them a nod as they are looking to actually do something beyond finger pointing unlike the lentalist scum in these threads.
 
2012-02-06 03:21:52 PM  
Are there examples of geoengineering efforts on the scale they are considering that have actually been successful? Tampering with a complex, nonlinear system in an effort to reduce your impact on that system always reminds me of:

i40.tinypic.com
 
2012-02-06 03:22:14 PM  

T.rex: Hell, he wants to waste his money on vaccines, he may as well waste his money on supposed global warming, too.


Helping more people live longer, productive, lives... that can't be helping with the overpopulation problem (a lead factor in global warming).

You can reach the apocalypse just as quickly on a road paved with good intentions as you can through ignorance, greed, and negligence.
Gates is going to make something happen based on his convictions rather than on a proper understanding of how the climate works... Most folks would say that's a tad dangerous.
 
2012-02-06 03:24:20 PM  
Yeah, I'm sure the U.N. will get right on that. Because, we know how effective a body they are at enforcing a single countries decision.

Not even going to get worked up about something this stupid. There's no point, because it - manipulating the planets weather without planet wide consent - violates so many laws it's not even worth discussing.

...Alzheimer's is kicking in a bit early Gates. Why don't you just sit back and enjoy the billions you screwed people out of over the past 30 years.
 
2012-02-06 03:26:40 PM  
engl400spr11.pbworks.com

We don't know who struck first, us or them, but we do know it was Bil Gates who scorched the sky.
 
2012-02-06 03:27:08 PM  
Terraforming? Really?

Better to make an earth ship to evacuate to in case we accidentally the whole climate first.

//insert pic of LV-426 atmosphere processor
//insert pic of 'The Arrival'
 
2012-02-06 03:29:51 PM  
If I were a trillionaire, I'd work to have the planet squeezed and flattened into a cube shape, to go along with my time-cube beliefs.
 
2012-02-06 03:31:17 PM  
Is this the start of the Weyland-Yutani corporation?
 
2012-02-06 03:45:45 PM  
Good. It's about time we had some real financial investment into the climate change issue. There's too much pussy-footing from the US about this purely because of political reasons, not scientific ones.

This is a pretty serious issue, but because the effects are long-term and the effort required to do something about it is substantial, no one wants to f*cking do anything. Either there's wishful thinking that the problem will go away, or there's delusional claims that it's not really happening so we don't have to do anything, or there's the even more delusional claims that sure it may be happening but it's not a bad thing.
 
2012-02-06 03:47:49 PM  
Geoengineering is opposed by many environmentalists, who say the technology could undermine efforts to reduce emissions

Which is about as intelligent an argument as people who don't want to find a cure for AIDS, because it could undermine their efforts to promote abstinence.

If the most catastrophic problem facing mankind is global warming, then anything that's a solution for global warming should be on the table for discussion. If, on the other hand, what you really want is to drastically reduce industrialization generally, then all you care about is CO2 emissions, and you're just using global warming as a tool to achieve that end. For those people, the worst thing that could happen is that we could find a way to prevent global warming without cutting emissions.
 
2012-02-06 03:53:37 PM  
"Geoengineering is opposed by many environmentalists, who say the technology could undermine efforts to reduce emissions..."

Circular reasoning. If geoengineering works, then there is no need to reduce emissions.

Look, I'm concerned about climate change too, which is why we need to look into this. As Aragorn said in The Two Towers: "Open war is upon you." There is no realistic choice between reducing emissions and not doing it. Even if we cut our per capita emissions by 20%, it won't matter if the human population of earth increases by 20% over the same amount of time. Add to that third world industrialization, and there is zero chance that emissions will be reduced. The U.S. and Europe could cut emissions to zero and Asia, Latin America, and Africa would compensate over the next 20 years.

Find a solution that involves geoengineering, or die. That is our choice as a species.
 
2012-02-06 03:55:47 PM  
images.wikia.com

/hot like the weather service
 
2012-02-06 03:56:02 PM  

Talondel: Geoengineering is opposed by many environmentalists, who say the technology could undermine efforts to reduce emissions

Which is about as intelligent an argument as people who don't want to find a cure for AIDS, because it could undermine their efforts to promote abstinence.

If the most catastrophic problem facing mankind is global warming, then anything that's a solution for global warming should be on the table for discussion. If, on the other hand, what you really want is to drastically reduce industrialization generally, then all you care about is CO2 emissions, and you're just using global warming as a tool to achieve that end. For those people, the worst thing that could happen is that we could find a way to prevent global warming without cutting emissions.


Finally, someone who shares my logic on this issue.
 
2012-02-06 03:56:58 PM  

Talondel: Geoengineering is opposed by many environmentalists, who say the technology could undermine efforts to reduce emissions

Which is about as intelligent an argument as people who don't want to find a cure for AIDS, because it could undermine their efforts to promote abstinence.



Isn't that the official position of the Catholic Church?
 
2012-02-06 03:58:11 PM  
Carbon dioxide, runaway greenhouse effect and uncontrolled desertification:
spiff.rit.edu

It'll never get that bad, but it's a message to anyone thinking this is a trivial issue.

And actually, Venus also has a lot of sulfur dioxide relecting sunlight.
 
2012-02-06 04:02:34 PM  

Tommy Moo: "
Find a solution that involves geoengineering, or die. That is our choice as a species.


But how would that redistribute wealth to the 3rd world or remove all cars & public transport from the roads or let them raise cities not known for their sun/wind/near ocean to the ground? All of which are stated goals of the lentalists.

The lentalist scum MAY be preaching climate change. But underneath it is a 5 year plan and a power play. That's why they'll forever remain lentalist scum.
 
2012-02-06 04:04:34 PM  
A little terraforming and local weather control would be great.

Ever seen Las Vegas covered in snow at night? It's beautiful.
 
2012-02-06 04:13:37 PM  

Carth: Isn't that the official position of the Catholic Church?


No. Not sure if you're a troll or a moron (or both), but since the answer was so short, I figured I'd go ahead and answer.
 
2012-02-06 04:16:49 PM  
They should start with small scale weather changing over an ocean island.
 
2012-02-06 04:20:25 PM  

Tommy Moo: Talondel: Geoengineering is opposed by many environmentalists, who say the technology could undermine efforts to reduce emissions

Which is about as intelligent an argument as people who don't want to find a cure for AIDS, because it could undermine their efforts to promote abstinence.

If the most catastrophic problem facing mankind is global warming, then anything that's a solution for global warming should be on the table for discussion. If, on the other hand, what you really want is to drastically reduce industrialization generally, then all you care about is CO2 emissions, and you're just using global warming as a tool to achieve that end. For those people, the worst thing that could happen is that we could find a way to prevent global warming without cutting emissions.

Finally, someone who shares my logic on this issue.


The only problem with geo-engineering is that if we don't cut emissions and just rely on some active cooling system to keep the temperature from rising then what happens if that system should fail in the future and we are unable to repair it? Like there is a global economic meltdown or a limited nuclear war or some huge epidemic. Then we have a hug amount of greenhouse gases in the air, but we didnt care because we just kept pumping up SO2 as sort of the cost of doing business. When the sulfur precipitates down after a few years and the carbon doesn't then we're really screwed really quickly.

For the record, I dont think we'll ever be off hydrocarbons entirely, but we should really find a way to deal with not driving all the time. I hate when people complain about only getting 40 miles/charge in their electric cars. A hundred years ago most people wouldn't travel 40 miles in their entire lives.

/Of course, I also dont like it when people rip on nuclear power.
//Space-based Solar FTW!
///Launch only 3 years away, haters!
 
2012-02-06 04:30:28 PM  

Talondel: Carth: Isn't that the official position of the Catholic Church?

No. Not sure if you're a troll or a moron (or both), but since the answer was so short, I figured I'd go ahead and answer.


My mistake they changed their position in 2010 when they decided condoms were better than having people die of aids.
 
2012-02-06 04:31:46 PM  

xenomorpheus: Terraforming? Really?

Better to make an earth ship to evacuate to in case we accidentally the whole climate first.

//insert pic of LV-426 atmosphere processor
//insert pic of 'The Arrival'


Google "Alternative 3"

Actually I always wondered why the people who believe in Alternative 3 is real (as opposed to an April 1st TV program) didn't wonder if terraforming the Earth back to normal would not be easier than making Mars into a new Earth. (or the moon even more so)

/wow spell check knows 'terraform' but not 'terraforming'
 
2012-02-06 04:32:44 PM  
sarah_t_s

Tommy Moo: "
Find a solution that involves geoengineering, or die. That is our choice as a species.

But how would that redistribute wealth to the 3rd world or remove all cars & public transport from the roads or let them raise cities not known for their sun/wind/near ocean to the ground? All of which are stated goals of the lentalists.

The lentalist scum MAY be preaching climate change. But underneath it is a 5 year plan and a power play. That's why they'll forever remain lentalist scum.


Well, ok then. I think we see the level of considered debate you're bringing to the table, and thanks.

/ lentalists?
 
2012-02-06 04:36:50 PM  

Carth: Talondel: Carth: Isn't that the official position of the Catholic Church?

No. Not sure if you're a troll or a moron (or both), but since the answer was so short, I figured I'd go ahead and answer.

My mistake they changed their position in 2010 when they decided condoms were better than having people die of aids.


Which is of course quite different than actually continuing to promote abstinence only and hoping against a cure for AIDS, which is what certain segments of environmentalists are doing (promoting CO2 abstinence and working against people who are proposing other possible cures for global warming). But at least your 2nd post made it slightly more clear which side of the moron/troll line you come down on.
 
2012-02-06 04:39:52 PM  
One way we already have geo-enginered the Earth.

www.global-greenhouse-warming.com


6 Ways We're Already Geoengineering Earth (new window)
 
2012-02-06 04:49:26 PM  
Isn't Bill just supporting his buddy nathan mhyrvold over at Intellectual ventures? wasn't this their 'patented' idea that was published in Superfreakanomics?
 
2012-02-06 04:55:31 PM  

maxheck:
/ lentalists?


Idiots who think that by going backwards and living in mud huts will save the species. Ever what happened to the young communists at universities from 10 - 20 years ago? Yeah. I've yet to hear one not mention wealth redistribution either outright or via something like 'carbon credits'. We know where they went.

I have attempted debate on this subject, it gets you nowhere except a loverly little circular argument. They are scum. Lentalist scum in fact and we should use them as a fuel source in power stations as at least then they'd be somewhat useful.
 
2012-02-06 05:01:52 PM  

Talondel: Geoengineering is opposed by many environmentalists, who say the technology could undermine efforts to reduce emissions

Which is about as intelligent an argument as people who don't want to find a cure for AIDS, because it could undermine their efforts to promote abstinence.

If the most catastrophic problem facing mankind is global warming, then anything that's a solution for global warming should be on the table for discussion. If, on the other hand, what you really want is to drastically reduce industrialization generally, then all you care about is CO2 emissions, and you're just using global warming as a tool to achieve that end. For those people, the worst thing that could happen is that we could find a way to prevent global warming without cutting emissions.


You dont seem to understand.

There is only ONE way to worship at the alter of global warming. These heretics are blaspheming. They must be scourged and crucified to protect their soles from Mother Gaia. Its the only way to save them.
 
2012-02-06 05:06:24 PM  

pdee:
There is only ONE way to worship at the alter of global warming. These heretics are blaspheming. They must be scourged and crucified to protect their soles from Mother Gaia. Its the only way to save them.


I'd be laughing my ass off if that wasn't pretty much what they believe.
 
2012-02-06 05:34:30 PM  
Unbelievably stupid.
 
2012-02-06 05:49:20 PM  
I'm actually okay with the idea of the high latitude sulfur spraying

But first we need China to curb their sulfur emissions.

The problem comes about when the sulfur is low in the atmosphere. In the lower atmosphere it quickly become acid, and before we scrubbed there was a lot of it.

When sprayed directly in the highest levels it doesn't quickly become acid rain. There it can be used in much smaller amounts, and produce a correspondingly smaller acidification of rain spread over a larger area.

And when I use the post tense it's because we've seen sulfur injected into the upper atmosphere by volcanic activity.
 
2012-02-06 06:09:01 PM  

sarah_t_s: maxheck:
/ lentalists?

Idiots who think that by going backwards and living in mud huts will save the species.


Oh, so imaginary people.
 
2012-02-06 06:10:06 PM  

sarah_t_s: Tommy Moo: "
Find a solution that involves geoengineering, or die. That is our choice as a species.

But how would that redistribute wealth to the 3rd world or remove all cars & public transport from the roads or let them raise cities not known for their sun/wind/near ocean to the ground? All of which are stated goals of the lentalists.

The lentalist scum MAY be preaching climate change. But underneath it is a 5 year plan and a power play. That's why they'll forever remain lentalist scum.


1) No one knows what "lentalist scum" is, take your meds.
2) Fishcakes.
 
2012-02-06 06:20:10 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Not even going to get worked up about something this stupid. There's no point, because it - manipulating the planets weather without planet wide consent - violates so many laws it's not even worth discussing.


As if.
What do you think the Industrial age has been, anyway? Just because you're messing with a more sensitive switch, don't make it wrong. Sure, some hapless morons are trying and make new laws to make geoengineering experiments illegal in the short term (and to some extent the reactionary UN ETC wackos have succeeded); meanwhile, the entire biosphere pays the price for industrial pollution, roads, and agricultural land-use changes, and nobody but the geoengineers are doing a goddamn thing to fix it, just talk talk talk. and bullshiat carbon taxes.
 
2012-02-06 06:20:45 PM  

wildcardjack: I'm actually okay with the idea of the high latitude sulfur spraying

But first we need China to curb their sulfur emissions.

The problem comes about when the sulfur is low in the atmosphere. In the lower atmosphere it quickly become acid, and before we scrubbed there was a lot of it.

When sprayed directly in the highest levels it doesn't quickly become acid rain. There it can be used in much smaller amounts, and produce a correspondingly smaller acidification of rain spread over a larger area.

And when I use the post tense it's because we've seen sulfur injected into the upper atmosphere by volcanic activity.


Then of course you have to deal with the increase in nighttime temperatures brought on by the droplets radiating back to earth. I really don't see a way of doing this that doesn't invite unintended consequences as disastrous as global warming.
 
2012-02-06 06:24:18 PM  

pdee: There is only ONE way to worship at the alter of global warming. These heretics are blaspheming. They must be scourged and crucified to protect their soles from Mother Gaia. Its the only way to save them.


By Al, I think you might have something there.
 
2012-02-06 06:25:27 PM  
Repo Man:
I wonder if we will find out what GeneralJim thinks of this idea?

Well, since you asked so politely...

It's a bit of a surprise. Well, not that Bill Gates might destroy civilization as we know it -- that's almost a given. But I always thought he would do it with software.

We are freaking inches from another "ice age," or heavy glaciation. We'll get there soon enough on our own. We don't need some panic-driven crappy programmer spewing crap into the air to trigger it. Supervolcanoes can trigger heavy glaciation because of the particulates and sulfur dioxide they put in the air. It's possible that the same could be done by INTENTIONAL spewing.

Well, if he destroys Northern Europe, Russia, Canada, and the U.S.A. down to about Kentucky, make him pay to replace it all. Hopefully it will take him years of planning (Hell, replacing XP took seven years) before anything happens, and those will be years of cooling. Perhaps "cooler heads" will prevail by the time he's ready to do something REALLY stupid.
 
2012-02-06 06:27:34 PM  
sarah_t_s:

Sooo.... conspiracy to redistribute wealth, people calling to return to mud huts, communists, all cars going away, tearing down cities that aren't good alternative energy spots (it's raze, by the way, not "raise.")

Gotcha. Thanks for your thoughtful contribution. We'll get back to you once your meds kick in.
 
2012-02-06 06:32:24 PM  
sarah_t_s:
The lentalist scum MAY be preaching climate change. But underneath it is a 5 year plan and a power play. That's why they'll forever remain lentalist scum.

Yeah, scum. And they don't even have a reasonable band....

www.pathguy.com
 
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