Apparently people missed the small print about any uploaded photos becoming the property of Facebook. You can't delete them because they are no longer yours.

I don't use facebook but I know a bit about how the internet and servers work. So when you upload a picture to your facebook account they store it on their image server and also on some other server someplace else? When you delete the file why does it take 45 days or years for the file to be "gone" Is there some poor guy in the basement that gets printouts every day of filenames that need to be deleted and he has to do them by hand? I don't get it.

I keep all my friends' embarrassing shots in a folder on my desktop. So deleting them does them no good, anyhow.

Mwah ah ah?

$100 billion company, eh? The lawsuits and eventually user mutiny are going to bury them.

For example, one reader linked me to a photo that a friend of his had posted of his toddler crawling naked on the lawn. He asked his friend to take it down for obvious reasons, and so the friend did-in May of 2008.


Obvious reasons? Oh, don't tell me they're afraid it will be considered child porn or something. Ugh. We REALLY need to stop being so constantly pants-shiatting crazy about nakedness in our society.

How insane is it that there is so much concern about people possibly seeing the human body itself - the thing that EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET IS BORN WITH?!?! Get the fark over it already.

facebook is an intelligence test. Do you pass or fail?

/Hint: When it's free, you are the product

zez: I don't use facebook but I know a bit about how the internet and servers work. So when you upload a picture to your facebook account they store it on their image server and also on some other server someplace else? When you delete the file why does it take 45 days or years for the file to be "gone" Is there some poor guy in the basement that gets printouts every day of filenames that need to be deleted and he has to do them by hand? I don't get it.

I don't know the details of how Facebook stores images, but it's a highly customized system. It's possible that it might legitimately be difficult to delete a photo once they've gotten it.

I talked to a guy who was at a talk given by some senior members of the Facebook photo team about how they cope with the mind-numbing quantities of image data they get. (Facebook has 800,000,000 users, if even just .001% of them are uploading photos at any given time of day, that's still 8000 people uploading photos constantly. Now consider that photo uploading is invariably going to be a "bursty" activity and you have to build out a lot of capacity.)

One problem I remember him describing is how they have a custom filesystem for storing new images. In a traditional filesystem there's going to be something like multiple table of contents in a book, so looking up where a file resides on disk might take multiple pointer redirects. This process turned out to be way too slow for Facebook, given that each of these pointer redirects means another disk seek. So, they built their own filesystem where every file on the disk is simply stored as an offset.

As new files come in they can be written to the disks continuously (and contiguously) and finding files is easy: they can search the master table of contents, find the absolute offset of the file, and then jump there directly, meaning that any file access incurs of maximum of two disk seeks. The downside to this is that if someone wants to delete a file from that disk then they loose that space permanently. But it's worth it, considering the volume of data they have to process.

So, I don't know what specific technical hurdles Facebook has when it comes to image deletion, but I know for sure that they're not running standard webservers.

Moral of the story: don't use Facebook.

J. Frank Parnell: Apparently people missed the small print about any uploaded photos becoming the property of Facebook. You can't delete them because they are no longer yours.

Done in two.

nicoffeine: I keep all my friends' embarrassing shots in a folder on my desktop. So deleting them does them no good, anyhow.

Mwah ah ah?

I thought there was a site that people uploaded other people's failed facebook photos.

PsyLord: nicoffeine: I keep all my friends' embarrassing shots in a folder on my desktop. So deleting them does them no good, anyhow.

Mwah ah ah?

I thought there was a site that people uploaded other people's failed facebook photos.

That too... no matter what your privacy settings are, always assume that everyone in your life will see anything you put on the internet. Also assume that once it's on the internet, it stays on there forever.

Just think, in as little as 25 years we might have presidential candidates defending themselves from facebook photos taken when they were 20.

HotIgneous Intruder: facebook is an intelligence test. Do you pass or fail?

/Hint: When it's free, you are the product

R U a Wizard?

HotIgneous Intruder: facebook is an intelligence test. Do you pass or fail?

/Hint: When it's free, you are the product

, he posted on a free website, unaware of the irony of his righteous indignation.

HotIgneous Intruder: /Hint: When it's free, you are the product

Where did this stupid saying come from? It is stupid and doesn't even make sense.

Fubini: PsyLord: nicoffeine: I keep all my friends' embarrassing shots in a folder on my desktop. So deleting them does them no good, anyhow.

Mwah ah ah?

I thought there was a site that people uploaded other people's failed facebook photos.

That too... no matter what your privacy settings are, always assume that everyone in your life will see anything you put on the internet. Also assume that once it's on the internet, it stays on there forever.

Just think, in as little as 25 years we might have presidential candidates defending themselves from facebook photos taken when they were 20.

25 years? Im thinking soonet than that. We are probably only a few years away from facial recognition search software. Upload a picture of somebody, and have every single photo of them archived anywhere, at any time, available to you.

In the background of a gay pride parade posted on some little restaurants website in 1998? Archived. Doing a bong hit on someone elses myspace account? Archived. Posted yourself in casual encounters in the last 10 years? Archived.

Everything everybody has done in the last 10 years is about to be resurfaced. I guarantee if youve done anything shady on a semi public place (like a party), or posted anything online, somebody took a picture or video of it and it's sitting in a server somewhere.

The technology already exists. The only question is when it spreads to some eastern european web entrenpeneur who couldnt give a shiat about your privacy.

Its going to be exciting for sure, but ultimately it will make the world a better place. In 20 years you'll hear about the presidential contender's tits being posted online and you'll just shrug "meh they're probably not that good anyway"

manimal2878: HotIgneous Intruder: /Hint: When it's free, you are the product

Where did this stupid saying come from? It is stupid and doesn't even make sense.

It makes perfect sense once you figure out who the customer is.

A friend showed me a copy of Found magazine yesterday while I reinstalled Snow Leopard on her laptop. That, and articles like this, make me wonder what I would have to do in the event I perceive a need to go off the grid, and how far I should go to eliminate traces of my existence.

/it was the dirty issue
//lots of ass and literotica

PlatinumDragon: manimal2878: HotIgneous Intruder: /Hint: When it's free, you are the product

Where did this stupid saying come from? It is stupid and doesn't even make sense.

It makes perfect sense once you figure out who the customer is.

"Linux"
Your move.

ProfessorOhki: PlatinumDragon: manimal2878: HotIgneous Intruder: /Hint: When it's free, you are the product

Where did this stupid saying come from? It is stupid and doesn't even make sense.

It makes perfect sense once you figure out who the customer is.

"Linux"
Your move.

"Linux" is not a revenue-seeking organization. Facebook is, and they're selling something to someone in exchange for money.

Honestly, this is media literacy 101 here. Do I have to spell it out on a napkin?

PlatinumDragon: ProfessorOhki: PlatinumDragon: manimal2878: HotIgneous Intruder: /Hint: When it's free, you are the product

Where did this stupid saying come from? It is stupid and doesn't even make sense.

It makes perfect sense once you figure out who the customer is.

"Linux"
Your move.

"Linux" is not a revenue-seeking organization. Facebook is, and they're selling something to someone in exchange for money.

Honestly, this is media literacy 101 here. Do I have to spell it out on a napkin?

Could you post a photo of the napkin after you spell it out?

PlatinumDragon: ProfessorOhki: PlatinumDragon: manimal2878: HotIgneous Intruder: /Hint: When it's free, you are the product

Where did this stupid saying come from? It is stupid and doesn't even make sense.

It makes perfect sense once you figure out who the customer is.

"Linux"
Your move.

"Linux" is not a revenue-seeking organization. Facebook is, and they're selling something to someone in exchange for money.

Honestly, this is media literacy 101 here. Do I have to spell it out on a napkin?

Sure, but this time you might want to include all the qualifiers at the beginning so you don't need to add them everytime mentions a blatant counter-example.

PlatinumDragon: ProfessorOhki: PlatinumDragon: manimal2878: HotIgneous Intruder: /Hint: When it's free, you are the product

Where did this stupid saying come from? It is stupid and doesn't even make sense.

It makes perfect sense once you figure out who the customer is.

"Linux"
Your move.

"Linux" is not a revenue-seeking organization. Facebook is, and they're selling something to someone in exchange for money.

Honestly, this is media literacy 101 here. Do I have to spell it out on a napkin?

People advertise to you all the time even when you're paying for it. By far the most permeating advertising presence in our society is cable television. And that is far from free, i was shocked recently when i saw a friend's bill: $220. Thats over $2500 per year! All to get bombarded with jingles to some corporate restaurants chicken wings or which HFCS-laden caffeneited beverage you should choose during lunch hour

MadSkillz: ChuDogg: Fubini: PsyLord: nicoffeine: I keep all my friends' embarrassing shots in a folder on my desktop. So deleting them does them no good, anyhow.

Mwah ah ah?

I thought there was a site that people uploaded other people's failed facebook photos.

That too... no matter what your privacy settings are, always assume that everyone in your life will see anything you put on the internet. Also assume that once it's on the internet, it stays on there forever.

Just think, in as little as 25 years we might have presidential candidates defending themselves from facebook photos taken when they were 20.

25 years? Im thinking soonet than that. We are probably only a few years away from facial recognition search software. Upload a picture of somebody, and have every single photo of them archived anywhere, at any time, available to you.

In the background of a gay pride parade posted on some little restaurants website in 1998? Archived. Doing a bong hit on someone elses myspace account? Archived. Posted yourself in casual encounters in the last 10 years? Archived.

Everything everybody has done in the last 10 years is about to be resurfaced. I guarantee if youve done anything shady on a semi public place (like a party), or posted anything online, somebody took a picture or video of it and it's sitting in a server somewhere.

The technology already exists. The only question is when it spreads to some eastern european web entrenpeneur who couldnt give a shiat about your privacy.

Its going to be exciting for sure, but ultimately it will make the world a better place. In 20 years you'll hear about the presidential contender's tits being posted online and you'll just shrug "meh they're probably not that good anyway"

What if Drew lost his scruples and decided to blackmail users with things they said here? I've said things here I would never repeat in public, but they're still damning.



Haha, someone actually uses their real name when creating a profile on Fark?

MadSkillz: What if Drew lost his scruples and decided to blackmail users with things they said here? I've said things here I would never repeat in public, but they're still damning.

What's he going to do? Shame me? HA.

ChuDogg: PlatinumDragon: ProfessorOhki: PlatinumDragon: manimal2878: HotIgneous Intruder: /Hint: When it's free, you are the product

Where did this stupid saying come from? It is stupid and doesn't even make sense.

It makes perfect sense once you figure out who the customer is.

"Linux"
Your move.

"Linux" is not a revenue-seeking organization. Facebook is, and they're selling something to someone in exchange for money.

Honestly, this is media literacy 101 here. Do I have to spell it out on a napkin?

People advertise to you all the time even when you're paying for it. By far the most permeating advertising presence in our society is cable television. And that is far from free, i was shocked recently when i saw a friend's bill: $220. Thats over $2500 per year! All to get bombarded with jingles to some corporate restaurants chicken wings or which HFCS-laden caffeneited beverage you should choose during lunch hour

Which is one of the reasons we dropped pay TV; why the fark were we paying nearly $100/month for imbecilic programming and the same ads we could be subjected to on over-the-air TV? CBC, TVO, and PBS at least occasionally have interesting documentaries and flicks, and their OTA digital feed is less likely to be degraded than the pay TV feeds...

But, yeah; user/audience demographics and headspace is the product being sold to advertisers, with the product being attracted by free pretty images and interaction with other people. On the Internet, they'll even offer up every last detail of their interests and purchases without so much as a second thought to the agreement they "signed" allowing the service operator to hand every last bit of that data over to the people and organizations giving them actual money. In my more paranoid moments, I wonder if the resources originally designated for John Poindexter's "Total Information Awareness" project were simply diverted to Zuckerberg's project when Congress forbade funding for the DARPA project named "Total Information Awareness". No, seriously, go look up the legislation in question. It left a legal loophole a nearly-blind guy (say, me) could drive a dump truck full of nitroglycerin through.

Grables'Daughter: Wait, so... photos stay on the Internet?

some even stay on my hard drive.



/ahhhh, TorD threads!!