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(Sun Sentinel)   Pey Pey says he'll restructure his contract with requirement that he is able to throw a ball, so long as he's still paid as much as everyone else on the team... combined. How big of him   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 56
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2012-02-06 12:45:46 PM  
Did you see what the rest of the team (combined) did without him?
 
2012-02-06 01:44:43 PM  
So in 2006, Peyton won the SB, followed by Eli in 2007. Eli won this year, so Peyton is due next year. As a Miami Dolphin.

The logic is infallible. Book it, done.
 
2012-02-06 01:51:07 PM  
If he is capable of playing, he has all the leverage. There is no reason for him to renegotiate the contract without being guaranteed even more money than he would have gotten otherwise.
 
2012-02-06 01:52:45 PM  
Pey Pey? More like Pay Pey.

forum.gaijinpot.com
 
2012-02-06 02:13:04 PM  
Where in the article does it say anything about Manning wanting an enormous salary? Did I read a different article than the submitter? All I see is a bunch of stuff about Manning willing to get paid only as much as his performance warrants, which is practically the opposite of-

Oh wait, right, this is Fark. Never mind.
 
2012-02-06 02:17:21 PM  

H31N0US: So in 2006, Peyton won the SB, followed by Eli in 2007. Eli won this year, so Peyton is due next year. As a Miami Dolphin.

The logic is infallible. Book it, done.


He'd be a shoe in if he played for the 49;ers next season.
 
2012-02-06 02:17:56 PM  
Indianapolis = 8 games with climate control

Miami = 8 games in WARM weather on a field with some of the best turf in the NFL

Sounds like a no brainer,,,,

/ Please Mr Goodell.....move the Bucs to anywhere but here.
 
2012-02-06 02:21:04 PM  

tampaflacouple: Indianapolis = 8 games with climate control

Miami = 8 games in WARM weather on a field with some of the best turf in the NFL

Sounds like a no brainer,,,,

/ Please Mr Goodell.....move the Bucs to anywhere but here.


Rough division. If I'm Peyton and if they're interested, I sign with San Francisco.
 
2012-02-06 02:35:36 PM  
Nice headline bitter Pats fan.
 
2012-02-06 02:37:14 PM  
Phew, we'd almost gone 48 hours without a non-story about speculation by people not close to the situation. I was getting worried.
 
2012-02-06 02:51:52 PM  
Time for Irsay to nut up or shut up.
 
2012-02-06 03:12:21 PM  

Shaggy_C: Phew, we'd almost gone 48 hours without a non-story about speculation by people not close to the situation. I was getting worried.


Well, we HAVE gone quite some time without a Tebow headline, so don't put your clutching pearls away yet.
 
2012-02-06 03:15:48 PM  

srhp29: He'd be a shoe in if he played for the 49;ers next season.


Kornchex: Rough division. If I'm Peyton and if they're interested, I sign with San Francisco.


I'm sure Alex Smith would be thrilled with your conclusions.
 
2012-02-06 03:18:06 PM  
He can always come to the Giants to be the backup QB for his brother.
 
2012-02-06 03:19:26 PM  

IlGreven: srhp29: He'd be a shoe in if he played for the 49;ers next season.

Kornchex: Rough division. If I'm Peyton and if they're interested, I sign with San Francisco.

I'm sure Alex Smith would be thrilled with your conclusions.


Alex Smith is a UFA
 
2012-02-06 03:26:43 PM  
As someone who doesn't have a fan interest in Peyton or Indy, this story has all the potential to reach epic levels of pointing and laughing from anyone on the outside. I'm holding my index finger at the ready for this, but that time is not now. Not yet.

I was debating with a friend over Indy and Peyton's position there, and this friend was of the opinion that the Colts' organization has done what has been done in Indy over the past decade, not Manning. I reminded him that for 20 seasons before Manning (78-98) their best record was 9-7, with three playoff appearances. But now, on the heels of this past season debacle, with their undersized RB and average WR corp, an untested rookie named Luck is going to lead them to that kind of greatness? It isn't going to happen. With a moderately decent team Peyton will contend. On a team like SF or Arizona they're an SB contender.

So many ways for this to end up with lots of pointing and laughing. I anxiously await the opportunity.
 
2012-02-06 03:28:50 PM  

LemSkroob: He can always come to the Giants to be the backup QB for his brother.


I don't get this talk at all.

Eli this year had a great year this year.. but Peyton has had that same great year, if not better, every year for the past 10.

You factor out their rookie years..

Peyton's average season: 31 TDs, 14 Ints, 4200 Yards, 96.9 Rating
Eli's average season: 26 TDs, 17 INTs, 3800 yards, 83.5 Rating

Eli has 2 rings in 2 chances, Peyton has 1 ring in 2 chances.

In Eli's first SB he had an average game, made one partly great, partly lucky play, and is a hero.

In Peyton's 2nd Super Bowl, if Hank Basket can catch an onside kick, the Colts probably run away with the game and Peyton's being called the greatest of all time.

Eli deserves a lot of praise for his 2011 year + Super Bowl, but he still doesn't surpass Peyton. He needs 5 more years of great play to get there.
 
2012-02-06 03:34:02 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: Did you see what the rest of the team (combined) did without him?

 
2012-02-06 03:35:10 PM  
Shut up Lesser Manning! You are no longer allowed to talk!
 
2012-02-06 03:47:01 PM  

MugzyBrown: Peyton's average season: 31 TDs, 14 Ints, 4200 Yards, 96.9 Rating
Eli's average season: 26 TDs, 17 INTs, 3800 yards, 83.5 Rating


Not to mention, Peyton played for the Colts; Eli plays for the Giants.

Swap teams and Peyton might have a LOT more rings, while Eli might still be waiting for his first SB. The Colts let the entire team go to hell because Peyton hid their mismanagement so well on the field. I would certainly call Eli "above average" among QBs, but swap him with a back-up and the Giants are still probably at least a marginal playoff team, a legitimately good team after a season with a league-average QB. Peyton-less Colts were. . . well, we all saw what that looked like.
 
2012-02-06 03:52:27 PM  

dragonchild: MugzyBrown: Peyton's average season: 31 TDs, 14 Ints, 4200 Yards, 96.9 Rating
Eli's average season: 26 TDs, 17 INTs, 3800 yards, 83.5 Rating

Not to mention, Peyton played for the Colts; Eli plays for the Giants.

Swap teams and Peyton might have a LOT more rings, while Eli might still be waiting for his first SB. The Colts let the entire team go to hell because Peyton hid their mismanagement so well on the field. I would certainly call Eli "above average" among QBs, but swap him with a back-up and the Giants are still probably at least a marginal playoff team, a legitimately good team after a season with a league-average QB. Peyton-less Colts were. . . well, we all saw what that looked like.


At this point Dallas Clark is probably the only offensive talent who could survive outside of Indy.
 
2012-02-06 03:55:05 PM  
Swap teams and Peyton might have a LOT more rings, while Eli might still be waiting for his first SB. The Colts let the entire team go to hell because Peyton hid their mismanagement so well on the field. I would certainly call Eli "above average" among QBs, but swap him with a back-up and the Giants are still probably at least a marginal playoff team, a legitimately good team after a season with a league-average QB. Peyton-less Colts were. . . well, we all saw what that looked like.

I would say Peyton would have at least the same 2 rings as Eli on the Giants.. but Eli earned his ring this year. The first ring it was a joke he was given the SB MVP.
 
2012-02-06 04:02:59 PM  
According to the report, Manning's optimism has also been bolstered after talking to Chris Weinke, who won a Heisman Trophy for Florida State the year after he underwent neck surgery.

Hey, how's this neck thing gonna work out... I know, let's ask the guy with career stats equal to not even one season of my own.
 
2012-02-06 04:03:02 PM  

Time Traveling Bunnies: dragonchild: MugzyBrown: Peyton's average season: 31 TDs, 14 Ints, 4200 Yards, 96.9 Rating
Eli's average season: 26 TDs, 17 INTs, 3800 yards, 83.5 Rating

Not to mention, Peyton played for the Colts; Eli plays for the Giants.

Swap teams and Peyton might have a LOT more rings, while Eli might still be waiting for his first SB. The Colts let the entire team go to hell because Peyton hid their mismanagement so well on the field. I would certainly call Eli "above average" among QBs, but swap him with a back-up and the Giants are still probably at least a marginal playoff team, a legitimately good team after a season with a league-average QB. Peyton-less Colts were. . . well, we all saw what that looked like.

At this point Dallas Clark is probably the only offensive talent who could survive outside of Indy.


Garcon put up a career year with the two worst QBs in the game. Wayne topped 1,000 yards in the same condition. He's likely to be a pretty sought after FA, but you can debate whether he's a #1 or #2 at this point. Addai is worth more to the Colts than other teams. Brown has proven he can run behind a competent line. Clark is definitely fading, and Tamme is more than an adequate replacement.
 
2012-02-06 04:05:01 PM  

Time Traveling Bunnies: dragonchild: MugzyBrown: Peyton's average season: 31 TDs, 14 Ints, 4200 Yards, 96.9 Rating
Eli's average season: 26 TDs, 17 INTs, 3800 yards, 83.5 Rating

Not to mention, Peyton played for the Colts; Eli plays for the Giants.

Swap teams and Peyton might have a LOT more rings, while Eli might still be waiting for his first SB. The Colts let the entire team go to hell because Peyton hid their mismanagement so well on the field. I would certainly call Eli "above average" among QBs, but swap him with a back-up and the Giants are still probably at least a marginal playoff team, a legitimately good team after a season with a league-average QB. Peyton-less Colts were. . . well, we all saw what that looked like.

At this point Dallas Clark is probably the only offensive talent who could survive outside of Indy.


I think Reggie Wayne is a legitimately good receiver. I've seen him haul in too many catches where he barely drags both feet in-bounds to think that it was all his timing with Peyton's throws. And Dallas Clark, definitely an above average tight end as far as being able to catch the ball, but not a blocker. The rest of the Indy offense I'm not so sure about. I've despised Joseph Addai for years, I think he'd have been out of the league a long time ago if the Colts weren't so interested in continuity in their system. Collie and Garcon have shown flashes of potential, but it might just be Manning making them look good. Of course, Garcon made Curtis Painter almost look good at times this past season, so I think he could go elsewhere and be a strong number 3 receiver.
 
2012-02-06 04:05:13 PM  

GoodyearPimp: According to the report, Manning's optimism has also been bolstered after talking to Chris Weinke, who won a Heisman Trophy for Florida State the year after he underwent neck surgery.

Hey, how's this neck thing gonna work out... I know, let's ask the guy with career stats equal to not even one season of my own.


It doesn't matter how good of a QB Weinke wasn't. What matter is if the nerves regenerated and the arm strength came back. If the arm strength comes back, Peyton isn't going to be worse than he was before, especially after a training camp and some games to get the rust off.
 
2012-02-06 04:12:14 PM  
i saw Pey Pey and at first thought this was a headline about soccer and some guy i don't know.
 
2012-02-06 04:14:19 PM  
Passive Aggressive Larry:

redmid17:


Garcon did have a good year this year, but he's one that I've been burned on so many times in the past few years that I hesitate even as a Colts fan to have faith in. Even under Peyton I never knew from week to week which version of Garcon was going to show up... Fumblefingers or Gluehands. Wayne has shown considerable decrease in speed the past couple of years. He's still by all measure a good WR, but his past his prime and decreasing quickly. Collie is a question mark because under Peyton he is a stud of a slot receiver, but is that because of Peyton or because Collie is that good... when he's not counting to potato. I like Addai, but he's too much like Stafford in the sense that his name should be Joseph AddaiIfHe'sHealthy. Even then he's not an explosive runner. I feel like we'd need a surefire threat on the ground instead of another passing option.
 
2012-02-06 04:16:55 PM  
I almost peed my pants.
Peyton in Miami? Please god, yes.
 
2012-02-06 04:22:13 PM  

Time Traveling Bunnies: At this point Dallas Clark is probably the only offensive talent who could survive outside of Indy.


I'd bet on Reggie Wayne first, but yeah, it ain't exactly a bumper crop. Dallas was hurt this year too, remember - in fact, my recollection is that enough of the offense was hurt that even had Peyton played every down again, Colts fans would still be bemoaning the injuries that held them back.

Andrew Luck has to feel good about that, right?
 
2012-02-06 04:22:31 PM  
www.wpbgo.com

/would rather see Flynn out there
 
2012-02-06 04:23:20 PM  

Passive Aggressive Larry: Time Traveling Bunnies: dragonchild: MugzyBrown: Peyton's average season: 31 TDs, 14 Ints, 4200 Yards, 96.9 Rating
Eli's average season: 26 TDs, 17 INTs, 3800 yards, 83.5 Rating

Not to mention, Peyton played for the Colts; Eli plays for the Giants.

Swap teams and Peyton might have a LOT more rings, while Eli might still be waiting for his first SB. The Colts let the entire team go to hell because Peyton hid their mismanagement so well on the field. I would certainly call Eli "above average" among QBs, but swap him with a back-up and the Giants are still probably at least a marginal playoff team, a legitimately good team after a season with a league-average QB. Peyton-less Colts were. . . well, we all saw what that looked like.

At this point Dallas Clark is probably the only offensive talent who could survive outside of Indy.

I think Reggie Wayne is a legitimately good receiver. I've seen him haul in too many catches where he barely drags both feet in-bounds to think that it was all his timing with Peyton's throws. And Dallas Clark, definitely an above average tight end as far as being able to catch the ball, but not a blocker. The rest of the Indy offense I'm not so sure about. I've despised Joseph Addai for years, I think he'd have been out of the league a long time ago if the Colts weren't so interested in continuity in their system. Collie and Garcon have shown flashes of potential, but it might just be Manning making them look good. Of course, Garcon made Curtis Painter almost look good at times this past season, so I think he could go elsewhere and be a strong number 3 receiver.


I agree with everything you say, but wanted to add that Addai is great at blitz pickup, something that doesn't show on a stat sheet but a QB can very much appreciate. Brown however... (new window)
 
2012-02-06 04:24:59 PM  

mohron: I agree with everything you say, but wanted to add that Addai is great at blitz pickup, something that doesn't show on a stat sheet but a QB can very much appreciate. Brown however... (new window)


Hehe I giggle every time.
 
2012-02-06 04:40:36 PM  

Time Traveling Bunnies: Passive Aggressive Larry:

redmid17:

Garcon did have a good year this year, but he's one that I've been burned on so many times in the past few years that I hesitate even as a Colts fan to have faith in. Even under Peyton I never knew from week to week which version of Garcon was going to show up... Fumblefingers or Gluehands. Wayne has shown considerable decrease in speed the past couple of years. He's still by all measure a good WR, but his past his prime and decreasing quickly. Collie is a question mark because under Peyton he is a stud of a slot receiver, but is that because of Peyton or because Collie is that good... when he's not counting to potato. I like Addai, but he's too much like Stafford in the sense that his name should be Joseph AddaiIfHe'sHealthy. Even then he's not an explosive runner. I feel like we'd need a surefire threat on the ground instead of another passing option.


Garcon showed a distinct lack of the fumblefingers this year while still showing off the gluehands. He's going to draw a lot of interest this offseason.
 
2012-02-06 05:06:09 PM  

MugzyBrown: In Peyton's 2nd Super Bowl, if Hank Basket can catch an onside kick, the Colts probably run away with the game and Peyton's being called the greatest of all time.


If Scott Norwood had only kicked a little more to the left. If Bill Buckner had gotten his body in front of the ball.
 
2012-02-06 05:23:06 PM  

IlGreven: srhp29: He'd be a shoe in if he played for the 49;ers next season.

Kornchex: Rough division. If I'm Peyton and if they're interested, I sign with San Francisco.

I'm sure Alex Smith would be thrilled with your conclusions.


That could be the first time Alex Smith and thrilled have been used in the same sentence since the day he was drafted.
 
2012-02-06 05:26:00 PM  

walkerhound: MugzyBrown: In Peyton's 2nd Super Bowl, if Hank Basket can catch an onside kick, the Colts probably run away with the game and Peyton's being called the greatest of all time.

If Scott Norwood had only kicked a little more to the left. If Bill Buckner had gotten his body in front of the ball.


Definitely. But at the same time we don't say that Marty Barrett was a worse 2nd baseman than Tim Teufel because Buckner didn't catch a ball. You can look at them independent of that play.

Just like how you can take any other position and compare players objectively, regardless of team success.
 
2012-02-06 06:17:05 PM  
Well, after yesterday, I say come on East and meet Tom, your backup.

Stupid safety - stupidest play in SB history.
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Bitter? Yeah.
 
2012-02-06 06:31:09 PM  
Well lets see:

Eli Manning - 5 playoff appearances, 8-3 record and 2 Super Bowl titles.

Peyton Manning - 9 playoff appearances, 7-8 record and 1 Super Bowl title.

Peyton is statistically better but effectively the lesser of the two. Scoreboard.
 
2012-02-06 06:44:38 PM  

Le Bomb Suprize: Well lets see:

Eli Manning - 5 playoff appearances, 8-3 record and 2 Super Bowl titles.

Peyton Manning - 9 playoff appearances, 7-8 record and 1 Super Bowl title.

Peyton is statistically better but effectively the lesser of the two. Scoreboard.


Um, where did you get your stats? You have Eli's current, but you seem to have found Peyton's lying in a time machine from 2008.
 
2012-02-06 06:48:09 PM  

MugzyBrown: Eli this year had a great year this year..


Which year?
 
2012-02-06 08:04:06 PM  

Passive Aggressive Larry: Le Bomb Suprize: Well lets see:

Eli Manning - 5 playoff appearances, 8-3 record and 2 Super Bowl titles.

Peyton Manning - 9 playoff appearances, 7-8 record and 1 Super Bowl title.

Peyton is statistically better but effectively the lesser of the two. Scoreboard.

Um, where did you get your stats? You have Eli's current, but you seem to have found Peyton's lying in a time machine from 2008.


I stand corrected, I did indeed miss 2 years.

Peyton Manning - 11 playoff appearances, 9-10 record and 1 Super Bowl title.

Adding 2 more years of his playoff record doesn't exactly strengthen his case.
 
2012-02-06 08:12:55 PM  

Le Bomb Suprize: Passive Aggressive Larry: Le Bomb Suprize: Well lets see:

Eli Manning - 5 playoff appearances, 8-3 record and 2 Super Bowl titles.

Peyton Manning - 9 playoff appearances, 7-8 record and 1 Super Bowl title.

Peyton is statistically better but effectively the lesser of the two. Scoreboard.

Um, where did you get your stats? You have Eli's current, but you seem to have found Peyton's lying in a time machine from 2008.

I stand corrected, I did indeed miss 2 years.

Peyton Manning - 11 playoff appearances, 9-10 record and 1 Super Bowl title.

Adding 2 more years of his playoff record doesn't exactly strengthen his case.


Team record and # of SB titles are an indicator of team success. Please compare their effectiveness in the playoffs to me.
 
2012-02-06 10:03:47 PM  

Le Bomb Suprize: Passive Aggressive Larry: Le Bomb Suprize: Well lets see:

Eli Manning - 5 playoff appearances, 8-3 record and 2 Super Bowl titles.

Peyton Manning - 9 playoff appearances, 7-8 record and 1 Super Bowl title.

Peyton is statistically better but effectively the lesser of the two. Scoreboard.

Um, where did you get your stats? You have Eli's current, but you seem to have found Peyton's lying in a time machine from 2008.

I stand corrected, I did indeed miss 2 years.

Peyton Manning - 11 playoff appearances, 9-10 record and 1 Super Bowl title.

Adding 2 more years of his playoff record doesn't exactly strengthen his case.


He went to the Super Bowl one of those years, and the other one he didn't really lose through any fault of his own. Peyton Manning was standing on the sidelines while their special teams and defense allowed the Jets to drive into field goal range in the final minute of the game after the Colts took the lead.

But I can already see you're one of those, "The quarterback is the only player accountable for anything, and responsible for everything, and their win-loss records and Super Bowl rings are the only indicators you can rank any player by," type of people, so this discussion is going to be pointless.
 
2012-02-06 10:18:07 PM  

Le Bomb Suprize: Well lets see:

Eli Manning - 5 playoff appearances, 8-3 record and 2 Super Bowl titles.

Peyton Manning - 9 playoff appearances, 7-8 record and 1 Super Bowl title.

Peyton is statistically better but effectively the lesser of the two. Scoreboard.


Peyton's Indy has been FAR better in the regular season, but only one ring. Eli's Giants has two SB rings, and a better playoff record. Can't be dismissed lightly.

However, Peyton is better in every meaningful statistical performance category - completions per attempt, yards per pass, yards per attempt, interceptions per attempt, career QB rating, fumbles per play, touchdowns per attempt. Pretty much no matter how you map it, Peyton beats Eli when you compare them one-on-one. I don't think a reasonable argument can be made that Eli is better.
 
2012-02-06 10:24:26 PM  

redmid17: Le Bomb Suprize: Passive Aggressive Larry: Le Bomb Suprize: Well lets see:

Eli Manning - 5 playoff appearances, 8-3 record and 2 Super Bowl titles.

Peyton Manning - 9 playoff appearances, 7-8 record and 1 Super Bowl title.

Peyton is statistically better but effectively the lesser of the two. Scoreboard.

Um, where did you get your stats? You have Eli's current, but you seem to have found Peyton's lying in a time machine from 2008.

I stand corrected, I did indeed miss 2 years.

Peyton Manning - 11 playoff appearances, 9-10 record and 1 Super Bowl title.

Adding 2 more years of his playoff record doesn't exactly strengthen his case.

Team record and # of SB titles are an indicator of team success. Please compare their effectiveness in the playoffs to me.


Pretty sure I just did. 8-3 vs 9-10. Unless you are saying that statistics mean more than the outcome of the game?
 
2012-02-06 10:28:11 PM  

Le Bomb Suprize: redmid17: Le Bomb Suprize: Passive Aggressive Larry: Le Bomb Suprize: Well lets see:

Eli Manning - 5 playoff appearances, 8-3 record and 2 Super Bowl titles.

Peyton Manning - 9 playoff appearances, 7-8 record and 1 Super Bowl title.

Peyton is statistically better but effectively the lesser of the two. Scoreboard.

Um, where did you get your stats? You have Eli's current, but you seem to have found Peyton's lying in a time machine from 2008.

I stand corrected, I did indeed miss 2 years.

Peyton Manning - 11 playoff appearances, 9-10 record and 1 Super Bowl title.

Adding 2 more years of his playoff record doesn't exactly strengthen his case.

Team record and # of SB titles are an indicator of team success. Please compare their effectiveness in the playoffs to me.

Pretty sure I just did. 8-3 vs 9-10. Unless you are saying that statistics mean more than the outcome of the game?


Let me know when Peyton or Eli can kick the FGs and line up on defense. There is more than one aspect of the game. I can't speak as specifically to Eli, but I point out 3 direct fark ups where STs alone absolutely f*cked the Colts in the playoffs.

/No, it wasn't the SB against the Saints
 
2012-02-07 01:12:28 AM  

redmid17: Le Bomb Suprize: redmid17: Le Bomb Suprize: Passive Aggressive Larry: Le Bomb Suprize: Well lets see:

Eli Manning - 5 playoff appearances, 8-3 record and 2 Super Bowl titles.

Peyton Manning - 9 playoff appearances, 7-8 record and 1 Super Bowl title.

Peyton is statistically better but effectively the lesser of the two. Scoreboard.

Um, where did you get your stats? You have Eli's current, but you seem to have found Peyton's lying in a time machine from 2008.

I stand corrected, I did indeed miss 2 years.

Peyton Manning - 11 playoff appearances, 9-10 record and 1 Super Bowl title.

Adding 2 more years of his playoff record doesn't exactly strengthen his case.

Team record and # of SB titles are an indicator of team success. Please compare their effectiveness in the playoffs to me.

Pretty sure I just did. 8-3 vs 9-10. Unless you are saying that statistics mean more than the outcome of the game?

Let me know when Peyton or Eli can kick the FGs and line up on defense. There is more than one aspect of the game. I can't speak as specifically to Eli, but I point out 3 direct fark ups where STs alone absolutely f*cked the Colts in the playoffs.

/No, it wasn't the SB against the Saints


Come on, throw out the Dilfer vs Marino argument, you know you want to!
 
2012-02-07 01:27:36 AM  

Passive Aggressive Larry: redmid17: Le Bomb Suprize: redmid17: Le Bomb Suprize: Passive Aggressive Larry: Le Bomb Suprize: Well lets see:

Eli Manning - 5 playoff appearances, 8-3 record and 2 Super Bowl titles.

Peyton Manning - 9 playoff appearances, 7-8 record and 1 Super Bowl title.

Peyton is statistically better but effectively the lesser of the two. Scoreboard.

Um, where did you get your stats? You have Eli's current, but you seem to have found Peyton's lying in a time machine from 2008.

I stand corrected, I did indeed miss 2 years.

Peyton Manning - 11 playoff appearances, 9-10 record and 1 Super Bowl title.

Adding 2 more years of his playoff record doesn't exactly strengthen his case.

Team record and # of SB titles are an indicator of team success. Please compare their effectiveness in the playoffs to me.

Pretty sure I just did. 8-3 vs 9-10. Unless you are saying that statistics mean more than the outcome of the game?

Let me know when Peyton or Eli can kick the FGs and line up on defense. There is more than one aspect of the game. I can't speak as specifically to Eli, but I point out 3 direct fark ups where STs alone absolutely f*cked the Colts in the playoffs.

/No, it wasn't the SB against the Saints

Come on, throw out the Dilfer vs Marino argument, you know you want to!


Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer have more SB rings than Otto Graham.
 
2012-02-07 03:13:37 AM  

Passive Aggressive Larry: He went to the Super Bowl one of those years, and the other one he didn't really lose through any fault of his own.


When are we going to start admitting that demanding a large portion of the payroll for one's self does in fact make it more difficult to sign talent at other positions? How is that not a fault? Granted, Indy is an amoeba as well for going along with his demands.
 
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