mom?

Mallory Archer approves.

/why was he dressed like Hitler?

Old_Chief_Scott: The family that drinks together...

Ummmmm...

I'm going to need some help finishing this one.

Goes to rehab together?

"She took the bottle off the lad, opened the can of lager and gave it to her son. He had a mouthful, decided he didn't want it and began to shake the liquid in his mum's face."

So they sell Coors there?

Wow, the war on fun rages on. The government won't be satisfied until we're all drinking tea and going to bed at 6 PM.

Walker:
Welcome to justice in the UK. Instead of criminals being punished they are told "Well, you've had a bad life, nothing you did was your fault, come to think of it it was society's fault, so no jail time for you mate".

Yes I hear this argument from people who watch too much news without paying attention and still think the 'News' is anything but Infotainment with some snippets of the truth mixed in to aid in making things believable.

I cite the case where the Wail was outraged at child abuse and how evil two parents were how they were forcing kids to live in squalor whilst abusing animals and should never, never get them back, then 2 - 4 years later was outraged that the courts were stealing children, no charges had been made or convictions against the parents and the Child Welfare people refused to let the kids go home, up for adoption and time was running out.

It was the same parents and the same children.

It's not "Murder X got 15 years" with the implication that they'll be released after that. It's "Murder is sentenced to 15 years imprisonment and after that time they can begin talking to the probation service about moving them to an open prison or let back out with a tag on at the probation services discretion."

One of those is more closer to the truth than the other but wouldn't get people infuriated with 'broken Britain'.

Ed Finnerty:
It would if all those tax dollars went to corporations that then turned around and used prison labor for a fraction of the cost of actual labor. USA! USA! USA!

It's an interesting argument I've had with someone about this. To sum up:
You can't have them picking litter, digging the streets up, etc because the council employees who do that are a) paid a reasonable amount b) have a very militant union.

The military don't want them because such people tend to be too dumb to work the modern equipment. Same as ditch digging, would you trust someone THAT dumb to be in charge of a JCB?

Old_Chief_Scott: The family that drinks together...

Ummmmm...

I'm going to need some help finishing this one.

Sees the clink together?

Sleeps together?

/That's Fark!

600 years ago this story would not be so "abnormal," and a legal drinking age is a 20th century innovation.

Perhaps a bit more perspective would help you.

Old_Chief_Scott: The family that drinks together...

The Aristocrats!

Krieghund: sarah_t_s: would you trust someone THAT dumb to be in charge of a JCB?

They already are.

[www.med.unc.edu image 400x521]

/stupid cell biologists
//c-Myc Targets, my ass

Why would you name a journal for that after a company that makes heavy plan... *ding!* Ohhh!

A+ would LOL again.

"'She said she was receiving treatment for cancer,' Mr Robinson added.
Paul Genney, mitigating, said his client had 'her fair share of problems'. 'She has had a wretched life,' he said".

So no jail time for her and we will not name her as she just needs a hug.

600 years ago this story would not be so "abnormal," and a legal drinking age is a 20th century innovation.

Perhaps a bit more perspective would help you.

Here's some perspective:

KimNorth:
So no jail time for her and we will not name her as she just needs a hug.

Simply because TFA doesn't mention social services circling like sharks sensing blood in the water doesn't mean they aren't. Nor does it mean that the matter is closed.

We're being told, exactly, enough to go with 'broken Britain' and demand tougher sentencing, more prison time and a harder line on crime.

I'm sure the press does exactly the same sort of thing in America.

Old_Chief_Scott: The family that drinks together...

Are about to have parent/child bond severed?

"We always get drunk together," says a) a college student about his best friend, b) a bride-to-be about her maid of honor, or c) a mother about her 11-year-old son?

Guy before his wedding about his future mother-in-law?
Seriously, there was a young guy in the service who had a nasty breakup with his wife.
She was taking stray dicks home every time he was posted to sea. Now, at the hearing, who should give him backup but his mother-in-law? She not only supports his allegations about his wife, but says that her daughter doesn't deserve to have a man like him for a husband, who's been a good father to his son as well as a good provider and husband. Further, she says that she would NOT want her daughter to be given custody of her grandson in any way, shape or form, which should fall to a responsible adult, like her son-in-law.
Just slight squick factor- 6 months after the divorce, former mother-in-law sold the house and moved in with former son-in-law. Last I checked, 20 years later, they were still living together. She calls him "Sonny", he calls her "Ma", and the kid's long since moved out.

Old_Chief_Scott: I know it's Monday and everything people, but I don't think that you are all putting in the sort of effort that this so desperately needs.

... has handicapped offspring due to the expression of congenial traits caused by autosomal recessive genes being compounded through breeding of ancestors who are commonly homozygous?

Old_Chief_Scott: Stabone33: Sleeps together?


Quotizmo: Pukes in the sink together.


Fish in a Barrel: The Aristocrats!


I know it's Monday and everything people, but I don't think that you are all putting in the sort of effort that this so desperately needs.


david1963: 600 years ago this story would not be so "abnormal," and a legal drinking age is a 20th century innovation.

Perhaps a bit more perspective would help you.

Six hundred years ago these folks would have been drinking a weak beer, say 1% alcohol, that they likely made themselves or traded for with a neighbor, because everyone knew that water was bad for you. Peasants like these would never be able to drink enough to get this intoxicated. How's that for perspective?

And that me boy is why the Ourish made whisky!

Ooo, I think I know how this story ends

Dickens is full of 11-yr-olds drinking.

Old_Chief_Scott: Stabone33: Sleeps together?


Quotizmo: Pukes in the sink together.


Fish in a Barrel: The Aristocrats!


I know it's Monday and everything people, but I don't think that you are all putting in the sort of effort that this so desperately needs.


david1963: 600 years ago this story would not be so "abnormal," and a legal drinking age is a 20th century innovation.

Perhaps a bit more perspective would help you.

Six hundred years ago these folks would have been drinking a weak beer, say 1% alcohol, that they likely made themselves or traded for with a neighbor, because everyone knew that water was bad for you. Peasants like these would never be able to drink enough to get this intoxicated. How's that for perspective?

Well then my "perspective" on that is they were doing it wrong!

Old_Chief_Scott: Stabone33: Sleeps together?


Quotizmo: Pukes in the sink together.


Fish in a Barrel: The Aristocrats!


I know it's Monday and everything people, but I don't think that you are all putting in the sort of effort that this so desperately needs.


david1963: 600 years ago this story would not be so "abnormal," and a legal drinking age is a 20th century innovation.

Perhaps a bit more perspective would help you.

Six hundred years ago these folks would have been drinking a weak beer, say 1% alcohol, that they likely made themselves or traded for with a neighbor, because everyone knew that water was bad for you. Peasants like these would never be able to drink enough to get this intoxicated. How's that for perspective?

Drinking beer instead of water was still the norm well into the Victorian era (1800s). And it wasn't all weak beer, but even if it was, you must remember that it wasn't only adults drinking it. Young children could certainly get intoxicated on weak beer. Though by this time poor people drank mostly tea as it was cheaper than beer.

My great-aunt & uncle allowed their son to drink from a very young age, my mom believed he started younger than 5. He died at 22 in a car accident due to being too drunk to drive. Of course they were also from Czech Republic so what do I know.

Walker: Welcome to justice in the UK. Instead of criminals being punished they are told "Well, you've had a bad life, nothing you did was your fault, come to think of it it was society's fault, so no jail time for you mate".

It takes a special kind of stupid to stop reading at the penultimate paragraph, so bravo to you sir.

"The child has been taken away from his mother and the pair are no longer in contact. The woman received a 12-month community and supervision order, designed to tackle her problems."

The woman pleaded guilty and admitted her problems (discount of one third of her sentence).
The woman has had her child taken away.
The woman can no longer have a bad influence on the child as he has been taken away.
The woman is being compelled to do work in the community for no pay, is being helped to overcome her problems and is being supervised to ensure that she does.
If she breaches the terms of the above orders she will be brought back before the court to face further punishment.

But yeah, locking her up would have achieved a great deal more.

Jackass...

It sounds like terrible parenting described in a story to shock us. Then again, it's the Daily Fail. It could just be pure bullshiat.

" 'shno good I tell ya'. Jush no goddam good!"

This popped into my mind:

♫ "me and you
and you and me
no matter how drunk we are
it had to be
the only drunk for me is you
and you for me
So Drunk together!

Imagine how the world could be
so very fine
so drunk together!
I can't see me having another drinking buddy but you, for all my life!" ♫

Old_Chief_Scott wrote back:


david1963: 600 years ago this story would not be so "abnormal," and a legal drinking age is a 20th century innovation.

Perhaps a bit more perspective would help you.


Old_Chief_Scott: Six hundred years ago these folks would have been drinking a weak beer, say 1% alcohol, that they likely made themselves or traded for with a neighbor, because everyone knew that water was bad for you. Peasants like these would never be able to drink enough to get this intoxicated. How's that for perspective?

Me again:

Unless of course they were in a wine-drinking region (though they'd probably be drinking wine diluted to about 5% alcohol unless they could afford to drink it straight and had no pressing reason not to), or if they were in a place that had learned to build stills (or could afford to have "aqua vitae" imported for them), or if they were part of a community that used "freeze-distillation" to remove some of the water, or maybe they'd be Vikings who quaffed mead, or... something. (new window)

But yes, poor folks in England in 1412 would probably be drinking pretty weak beer at least most of the time simply because they couldn't get any better. (Unlike the rich, who'd probably be drinking claret [new window] if they could get it.) Unless said poor people joined the army and went to fight in France, where as often as they could they'd guzzle whatever wine was to be found wherever they were.

Customs about drinking varied from place to place and time to time (as they still do): the ancient Greeks served their children wine (if children drinking wine was the custom in their region) that was diluted a little more than they did what they drank themselves, as much because adults are bigger as for the kid's own good. Etc. etc.

Yet the concept of a law setting a minimum age for alcohol consumption was a 20th century invention, at least as far as I've been able to discover in years of research into justifying my own self-pickling. And generally speaking, at least throughout recorded history, most people have been prone to drink as much alcohol as they could hold and/or afford to and/or get away with. Surely you're aware that Egyptologists are still debating whether bread or beer came first there.

So, like, what's your point?

(How's that for arrant pedantry?)

"...so intoxicated he could barely stand. The boy swore at his mother. He then slumped to the ground. He was crying and began to vomit."

Just another typical Friday night then?

Thoroughly With Foil: "...so intoxicated he could barely stand. The boy swore at his mother. He then slumped to the ground. He was crying and began to vomit."

Just another typical Friday night then?

Except for the crying and puking it sounds like fun to me. But then I'm weird: plenty of people must enjoy crying and puking.

Ed Finnerty: vpb: Walker: Sentencing, Recorder Neil Clark told the woman: 'This is a very serious matter.

'You were drunk and your son was exceptionally drunk, so drunk that he was detained in hospital. Many people would say you should go to prison.

'But the reality is that you have had a wretched life. It seems to me that examining what has gone wrong and addressing it is the better option in this case.

Welcome to justice in the UK. Instead of criminals being punished they are told "Well, you've had a bad life, nothing you did was your fault, come to think of it it was society's fault, so no jail time for you mate".

Yes, I'm sure that prison (at taxpayer expense) would have solved the whole problem.

It would if all those tax dollars went to corporations that then turned around and used prison labor for a fraction of the cost of actual labor. USA! USA! USA!

Your take-away message from this story is "the USA sucks"?

Huh.

Old_Chief_Scott wrote back:

david1963: So, like, what's your point?

I'm not sure I want to tell you now.

Thank you. I type with one finger, even slower than I think.

I just remembered to take my meds. Which don't include antabuse: I'll give up my booze when they squeeze it out of my swollen bloody liver.

Fish in a Barrel: Mallory Archer approves.

/why was he dressed like Hitler?

Why was I dressed as Hitler?