Who doesn't get Stockholm Syndrome with kidnappers like these guys?

What nice folks.

I'd pay to be kidnapped by those farkers.

cgraves67: Who doesn't get Stockholm Syndrome with kidnappers like these guys?

Possibly! Or maybe this idea that kidnappers are also necessarily violent is a farked up construct from Hollywood with no basis in fact. Well, that is, until the Hollywood trope catches on and turns into a d\social construction.

(or not)

Arab hospitality. And they are Bedouins - they have a honor code where even your worst enemies must be treated with hospitality. It's a tradition that pre-dates Islam.

Sounds like the Stockholm sisters were visiting de-nial.


/ba dum psssh

"Give us the money or we shall begin making rude comments to the hostages and start feeding them leftovers and milk that has passed the sell-by date."

moops: Arab hospitality. And they are Bedouins - they have a honor code where even your worst enemies must be treated with hospitality. It's a tradition that pre-dates Islam.

Sounds like the Sicilian mafia. It's just business, nothing personal, why shouldn't we enjoy each others' company until it's time to shoot you?

Nanawatai

_{/going for obscure}

when your kidnapper offers you "nuts and dried fruit" it isn't what you think it is.

How nice of them.

I'll remember that kind gesture after Seal Snipers simultaneously shoot the kidnappers in the head.

I have a friend from south america who always says that she would rather get kidnapped down there. Reasoning is that she knows they'll just ask for a ransom and release her within a day or two regardless of whether or not it gets paid, whereas in the States she'll end up diced up into small cubes, loaded into a barrel, and sunk at the bottom of a pond.

moops: Arab hospitality. And they are Bedouins - they have a honor code where even your worst enemies must be treated with hospitality. It's a tradition that pre-dates Islam.

That; and it's a little tough to ransom a corpse. That's not to say it isn't possible. But, yes; you are generally safer as a captive of the muja hadin ( or the other groups) than you are crossing the street; as long as you aren't a woman and you don't do anything they find insulting.

/ some exceptions; guarantee void in Tennessee and all that

My friends let me leave when I want to.

Lucky for them it wasn't the Bedouin doing the human trafficking in that area. The rape, torture and organ theft type of Bedouin.

moops: Arab hospitality. And they are Bedouins - they have a honor code where even your worst enemies must be treated with hospitality. It's a tradition that pre-dates Islam.


Yep. i came in to mention this. They're Bedouins, which means that they have their own culture which is very different from the typical ululating head choppers which make the news over here too often. We often get the wrong - or at the very least very incomplete - impressions of other countries because of that selection bias in our news media.

I really wish our media would stop wringing their hands on air and giving all the free publicity that terror can buy every time some ignorant farkstick threatens violence over a cartoon or nabs an American or two to behead. They're specifically doing it FOR that media attention, depriving them of it is the best thing we could do to discourage more.

moops: Arab hospitality. And they are Bedouins - they have a honor code where even your worst enemies must be treated with hospitality. It's a tradition that pre-dates Islam.

Bud: [doing speed with Otto] Never broke into a car, never hotwired a car. Never broke into a truck. 'I shall not cause harm to any vehicle nor the personal contents thereof, nor through inaction let the personal contents thereof come to harm' It's what I call the Repo Code, kid!

i don't think my wheelchair-bound friend was treated as politely when she was kidnapped in the sinai, so ymmv. i guess wheelchairs really impose upon a hostile host.

TFA is missing something. Did they take their money? Maybe they just wanted to go on a forced double date?

Gig103: I don't like violence, Tom. I'm a businessman; blood is a big expense.

Ha! Took me a second.

"Tom, this is business and this man is taking it very, very personal."

mongbiohazard: moops: Arab hospitality. And they are Bedouins - they have a honor code where even your worst enemies must be treated with hospitality. It's a tradition that pre-dates Islam.


Yep. i came in to mention this. They're Bedouins, which means that they have their own culture which is very different from the typical ululating head choppers which make the news over here too often. We often get the wrong - or at the very least very incomplete - impressions of other countries because of that selection bias in our news media.

I really wish our media would stop wringing their hands on air and giving all the free publicity that terror can buy every time some ignorant farkstick threatens violence over a cartoon or nabs an American or two to behead. They're specifically doing it FOR that media attention, depriving them of it is the best thing we could do to discourage more.

It almost sounds like a beef with the local government. "We show you how vulnerable your tourist dollars are. Come back to the negotiating table."

And if things hadn't worked out so smoothly I'm sure they would have killed the women without batting an eye.

Bennie Crabtree: cgraves67: Who doesn't get Stockholm Syndrome with kidnappers like these guys?

Possibly! Or maybe this idea that kidnappers are also necessarily violent is a farked up construct from Hollywood with no basis in fact. Well, that is, until the Hollywood trope catches on and turns into a d\social construction.

When you end your phone calls with "or we'll kill him/her" people do tend to get the notion that you aren't a nice person.

akula: Bennie Crabtree: cgraves67: Who doesn't get Stockholm Syndrome with kidnappers like these guys?

Possibly! Or maybe this idea that kidnappers are also necessarily violent is a farked up construct from Hollywood with no basis in fact. Well, that is, until the Hollywood trope catches on and turns into a d\social construction.

Taking someone's freedom is inherently a violent act. Kidnapping, by its very definition, is a violent act. You are restraining someone without consent. However well they treat you may be considered as a reason to be more lenient than with somebody who was all torturey, but they have still committed a violent act against you.

Agreed, and that is why kidnapping is such a serious crime. That said, the article was incredibly vague on the details, and I am not sure that these two were "kidnapped." It appeared that the two ladies were detained briefly (for unknown reasons,) treated with courtesy during that time, and then released.

moops: Arab hospitality. And they are Bedouins - they have a honor code where even your worst enemies must be treated with hospitality. It's a tradition that pre-dates Islam.

If they could all just go back to that, that would be great.

Bennie Crabtree: cgraves67: Who doesn't get Stockholm Syndrome with kidnappers like these guys?

Possibly! Or maybe this idea that kidnappers are also necessarily violent is a farked up construct from Hollywood with no basis in fact. Well, that is, until the Hollywood trope catches on and turns into a d\social construction.

Sheesh only on fark would people white knight kidnappers.

TappingTheVein: Lucky for them it wasn't the Bedouin doing the human trafficking in that area. The rape, torture and organ theft type of Bedouin.

Don't these migrants know about "the Bedouin tradition of hospitality"? And that the country they are desperately trying to reach, Israel, is an "apartheid state" much worse than any of its neighbours? Luckily the Farkers are here to set them straight.

TravisBickle62: I'd pay to be kidnapped by those farkers.

yah, instead of kidnapping they should doing tours or something, charge a bucket load of money. Maybe its more profitable than extortion? Would definately be less stressful!

So they practice the hospitality tradition, right up until they behead you.
Got it.

They should just open up a little Bed and Breakfast instead, The Kidnappers B&B. They'll probably make more money than off ransoms.

Plus, they've got guns. I mean, once The Kidnappers have got you, no one else is going to fark with you.

alltandubh: Don't these migrants know about "the Bedouin tradition of hospitality"?

I wonder how many farkers here been to the Egyptian border or in Sinai when they mention the noble Bedouin traditions or even heard what the Bedouin human traffickers there are capable of when there is no profit involved in such a kidnapping. Ruthless Is an understatement.

"Let me see your eyes, let me see your teeth.. mm hmm! [clap clap!] These two here! We'll TAKE them!"

/Run little sisters, RUUUUN!

Is this the thread where the citizens of the country that openly tortures it's captives act affronted by a foreigner's dignity?

oh goody

Well, let's put it like this: Would you rather have a long flight on Delta Air, or get kidnapped by these guys for a day or two?

Isn't that like a surcharge at any given Doubletree Inn?

Good luck with that subby.

You might not want to put all your faith in one story where people claim they were treated with respect (aside from that whole you are being kidnapped aspect of it)

/reminds me of the "yeah but he was just issuing a Fatwa, not calling for Jihad" apologist type argument

The Funktionshäftling were better hosts than my friends....

BBRModitha: How nice of them.

I'll remember that kind gesture after Seal Snipers simultaneously shoot the kidnappers in the head.

Seriously, I would not mess with Americans with Obama in office. That guy takes no crap from pirates or terrorists so I'm sure he'd happily take out kidnappers.

Wait for another ineffectual, arm chair tough guy like bushy-boy or ronald reagan.

Bennie Crabtree: Possibly! Or maybe this idea that kidnappers are also necessarily violent is a farked up construct from Hollywood with no basis in fact. Well, that is, until the Hollywood trope catches on and turns into a d\social construction.

It really, really depends. Kidnappers in the USA and Mexico are usually quite violent. It's considered an achievement when you get a kidnapping victim(that was taken for Ransom) back from a Mexican Cartel 'mostly intact'.

In this case, who knows why they were taken? It was probably some high level power play on the part of the Bedouin with the Egyption government, and a reasonable bribe/concession was made. All the Bedouin needed was for them to not show up at some point, showing that yes, they had them. They know how important tourism is, and how an excessively scared US tourist can cause all sorts of problems.

alltandubh: TappingTheVein: Lucky for them it wasn't the Bedouin doing the human trafficking in that area. The rape, torture and organ theft type of Bedouin.

Don't these migrants know about "the Bedouin tradition of hospitality"? And that the country they are desperately trying to reach, Israel, is an "apartheid state" much worse than any of its neighbours? Luckily the Farkers are here to set them straight.

Like anything, it can vary. US citizens have the backing of a powerful government, the Africans trying to flee to Israel and such don't.

It's not politically correct, but it's the difference between kidnapping a noble and a peasant.

FTFA: First the women complained about the smoke and made them put out their cigarettes. Then they said they didn't drink coffee and made the kidnappers get them some tea....

I'm thinking it's more like the desert version of The Ransom of the Red Chief.

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(or not)

I think you're on the right track, there.

Firethorn: Like anything, it can vary. US citizens have the backing of a powerful government, the Africans trying to flee to Israel and such don't.

It's not politically correct, but it's the difference between kidnapping a noble and a peasant.

BARTLET
[pause] Did you know that two thousand years ago a Roman citizen could walk across the face of the known world free of the fear of molestation? He could walk across the earth unharmed, cloaked only in the words 'Civis Romanis' I am a Roman citizen. So great was the retribution of Rome, universally understood as certain, should any harm befall even one of its citizens. Where was Morris' protection, or anyone else on that plane? Where is the retribution for the families and where is the warning to the rest of the world that Americans shall walk this earth unharmed, lest the clenched fist of the most mighty military force in the history of mankind comes crashing down on your house!? In other words, Leo, what the hell are we doing here?

LEO
We are behaving the way a superpower ought to behave.

BARTLET
Well our behavior has produced some pretty crappy results. In fact, I'm not a hundred percent sure it hasn't induced them.

LEO
What are you talking about?

BARTLET
I'm talking about two hundred and eight-six American marines in Beirut, I'm talking about Somalia, I'm talking about Nairobi.

LEO
And you think ratching up the body count's gonna act as a deterrent?

BARTLET
You're damn right.

LEO
Then you are just as dumb as these guys who think that capital punishment is going to be a deterrent for drug kingpins. As if drug kingpins didn't live their day to day lives under the possibility of execution. And their executions are a lot less dainty than ours and tend to take place without the bother and expense of due process. So my friend, if you want to start using American military strength as the arm of the Lord, you can do that, we're the only superpower left. You can conquer the world, like Charlemenge, but you better be prepared to kill everyone and you better start with me cause I will raise up an army against you and I will beat you!

BARTLET
He had a ten-day-old baby at home.

LEO
I know.

BARTLET
We are doing nothing. They dest...

LEO
We are not doing nothing. Four high rated military targets.

BARTLET
And this is good?

LEO
Of course it's not good, there is no good. It's what there is. It's how you behave if you're the most powerful nation in the world. It's proportional, it's reasonable, it's responsible, it's merciful. It's not nothing, four high rated military targets.

BARTLET
Which they'll rebuild again in six months.

LEO
So we'll blow 'em up again in six months! We're getting really good at it. [beat] It's what our fathers taught us.

BARTLET
Why didn't you say so?

The Bedouins I saw in Sinai pretty much just lounged around, smoked hookahs and sold hash to tourists. Pretty chill bunch.

For all the how nice the kidnappers were, I bet you could not have driven a BB up the butts of the kidnapped with a jackhammer the entire time.