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2012-02-06 12:52:01 PM

Tatsuma: Because the military dictatorship of Pakistan does not believe that Jihad is the best thing ever, they think staying in power and getting billions from America is the best thing ever.


I think it's clear that Ahmadinajad thinks that staying in power is the best thing ever, too. He likes having the US and Israel around to blame, because it takes attention away from any of his leadership failures. If he was to attack Israel or the US, he would be out of power pretty quickly.
 
2012-02-06 12:53:23 PM

GAT_00: Tatsuma: Have you not noticed more than 30 years of 'death to America', the fact that hundreds of Americans have been killed in terrorist attacks by Iran and sponsored by Iran, and that they could literally kill hundreds of millions of Americans with one single nuclear bomb?

So could Israel. So could Russia.

Israel is the only country I expect would actually do it.


Not even trolls say stuff this dumb.
 
2012-02-06 12:54:09 PM
I would like to hear the radically pro-Israel hawk explain what exactly the USA should do - what level of involvement would he like (occupation?), and what would be the ideal end game - what would constitute "victory?"
 
2012-02-06 12:56:11 PM

sweetmelissa31: I think it's clear that Ahmadinajad thinks that staying in power is the best thing ever, too.


Except that Ahmadinejad has said over and over again that we need to bring back the 12th Imam, and we must rid the world of zionism, and that martyrdom is the best thing to ever ever happen

Again: you are dealing with someone who think Allah wants him to rid the world of Jews and America so the Mahdi can come and kill all the infidels.

Think Southern Baptists who want a world war for the return of Yoshke, but about 50 times crazier and working toward nuclear weapons
 
2012-02-06 12:59:54 PM

Tatsuma: sweetmelissa31: I think it's clear that Ahmadinajad thinks that staying in power is the best thing ever, too.

Except that Ahmadinejad has said over and over again that we need to bring back the 12th Imam, and we must rid the world of zionism, and that martyrdom is the best thing to ever ever happen

Again: you are dealing with someone who think Allah wants him to rid the world of Jews and America so the Mahdi can come and kill all the infidels.

Think Southern Baptists who want a world war for the return of Yoshke, but about 50 times crazier and working toward nuclear weapons


So, you're cool with the support of Israel by those Baptists then? You do realize that these folks consider Jews as sort of a place card holder for them until the End Times, right?
 
2012-02-06 01:01:44 PM

Tatsuma: sweetmelissa31: I don't even see how Iran trying to get a nuclear weapon is a huge threat to Israel.

Are you serious? These people have repeatedly claimed that they wanted to wipe out Israel, that it would take at most 2 or 3 nuclear weapons to do so, and that it's a religious duty for them to do so.

They also said that even though Israel would retaliate and it would lead to the death of millions of Iranians, it's a small price to pay in order to be able to rid the world of the zionist entity.

sweetmelissa31: Israel has a much more advanced nuclear program, and the US as an ally. It wouldn't make sense for Iran to try to attack Israel.

MAD only works when your enemy is afraid of death. When they believe that martyrdom, that dying for the sake of killing the enemies of Allah, is literally the best thing ever, then that line of thinking stops working

sweetmelissa31: And Iran is certainly not a threat to the US.

Have you not noticed more than 30 years of 'death to America', the fact that hundreds of Americans have been killed in terrorist attacks by Iran and sponsored by Iran, and that they could literally kill hundreds of millions of Americans with one single nuclear bomb?

All it would take is a detonation of a bomb in the atmosphere of the US.



If there is anyone here that Tatsuma DOESN'T have on ignore, would you PLEASE ask him what, in his view, the Iranians need to do to placate Israel?

What can the Iranians possibly do - what specific "evidence" can they provide that they have not provided? What specific steps can they take that they have not taken that will make Israel feel "safer", so they'll call of the dogs and prevent WWIII?

Your help is appreciated in conveying this question, fellow Farkers.

Thanks in advance.
 
2012-02-06 01:02:16 PM

Tatsuma: Except that Ahmadinejad has said over and over again that we need to bring back the 12th Imam, and we must rid the world of zionism, and that martyrdom is the best thing to ever ever happen


Like I said before, he says these things to take away attention from his own failures. Sort of like how US leaders will invent a crisis to take away attention from important things like the economy.
 
2012-02-06 01:02:34 PM

hubiestubert: So, you're cool with the support of Israel by those Baptists then? You do realize that these folks consider Jews as sort of a place card holder for them until the End Times, right?


I'm cool with them as long as they don't plan to kill me, or throw the world into chaos that will lead us to be killed, yes.

They think I'll burn in hell? Whatever, I'm much more worried by those who are actively trying to get me there
 
2012-02-06 01:02:48 PM

hubiestubert: Tatsuma: sweetmelissa31: I think it's clear that Ahmadinajad thinks that staying in power is the best thing ever, too.

Except that Ahmadinejad has said over and over again that we need to bring back the 12th Imam, and we must rid the world of zionism, and that martyrdom is the best thing to ever ever happen

Again: you are dealing with someone who think Allah wants him to rid the world of Jews and America so the Mahdi can come and kill all the infidels.

Think Southern Baptists who want a world war for the return of Yoshke, but about 50 times crazier and working toward nuclear weapons

So, you're cool with the support of Israel by those Baptists then? You do realize that these folks consider Jews as sort of a place card holder for them until the End Times, right?


Each considers the other "useful idiots."
 
2012-02-06 01:03:06 PM

give me doughnuts: GAT_00: Tatsuma: Have you not noticed more than 30 years of 'death to America', the fact that hundreds of Americans have been killed in terrorist attacks by Iran and sponsored by Iran, and that they could literally kill hundreds of millions of Americans with one single nuclear bomb?

So could Israel. So could Russia.

Israel is the only country I expect would actually do it.

Not even trolls say stuff this dumb.


Sorry, I meant in general. Of all the countries with nuclear weapons or developing nuclear weapons, I consider Israel most likely to use one.
 
2012-02-06 01:04:33 PM

sweetmelissa31: Like I said before, he says these things to take away attention from his own failures. Sort of like how US leaders will invent a crisis to take away attention from important things like the economy.


Yeah, except he was saying that even before he was elected.

Just because you can't imagine people having deep convictions and be ready to die for them doesn't mean that anyone who proclaims them is being cynical about it.

He's serious about this. The Iranian government is. They sent thousands upon thousands of their own children to run across minefields during the Iran-Iraq war to clear the way for tanks, and draw bullets from Iraqi soldiers to deplete them.

These people say it themselves that they cherish death and martyrdom over life, and that's why they'll be victorious over us
 
2012-02-06 01:05:04 PM

give me doughnuts: GAT_00: Tatsuma: Have you not noticed more than 30 years of 'death to America', the fact that hundreds of Americans have been killed in terrorist attacks by Iran and sponsored by Iran, and that they could literally kill hundreds of millions of Americans with one single nuclear bomb?

So could Israel. So could Russia.

Israel is the only country I expect would actually do it.

Not even trolls say stuff this dumb.



Apparently you've never heard of The Samson Option. (new window)

Are they crazy and paranoid enough to pull a "scorched earth" move on the whole planet?

Well, are they?
 
2012-02-06 01:05:12 PM

Amos Quito: If there is anyone here that Tatsuma DOESN'T have on ignore...


There aren't many. For all his tough talk, Tats is kind of a pussy.
 
2012-02-06 01:07:05 PM

Amos Quito: Apparently you've never heard of The Samson Option. (new window)


How very Strangelovian
 
2012-02-06 01:07:30 PM

sweetmelissa31: Tatsuma: Except that Ahmadinejad has said over and over again that we need to bring back the 12th Imam, and we must rid the world of zionism, and that martyrdom is the best thing to ever ever happen

Like I said before, he says these things to take away attention from his own failures. Sort of like how US leaders will invent a crisis to take away attention from important things like the economy.


Or like how Netanyahu will beat the "Bomb Iran" drum to distract from Israel's current economic issues?
 
2012-02-06 01:08:30 PM

Amos Quito: Apparently you've never heard of The Samson Option. (new window)


I think he interpreted that to mean I thought Israel would nuke us which really wouldn't make any sense.
 
2012-02-06 01:16:39 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Amos Quito: Apparently you've never heard of The Samson Option. (new window)

How very Strangelovian



Yeah, and the shiatty part is that they almost certainly have the means to pull it off.

Their nuclear program has proceeded uninhibited and uninspected from the beginning. They have had "access" to virtually every secret technology developed by the US and others the whole time, so if there is any nasty, horrible weapon that the US (or other Western nations) have developed, you can bet that they have the technology, and that in their perpetual paranoia, they would pursue these things even when more rational nations would not.

2.bp.blogspot.com

"I'm going to blow up the Earth"


And this is not even counting their work on biological, chemical and other weapons.

Is Israel holding the planet hostage?
 
2012-02-06 01:17:50 PM

GAT_00: Amos Quito: Apparently you've never heard of The Samson Option. (new window)

I think he interpreted that to mean I thought Israel would nuke us which really wouldn't make any sense.


Well, that is what it sounded like.

Actually, I think Pakistan is more likely (if they ever figure out where to put the batteries) to set one off in India, and then immediately blame it on a rogue general.
 
2012-02-06 01:18:50 PM

GAT_00: Amos Quito: Apparently you've never heard of The Samson Option. (new window)

I think he interpreted that to mean I thought Israel would nuke us which really wouldn't make any sense.



The moment the US stopped "cooperating" with Israel (spoiling her), we would be seen as an "enemy".

All bets are off.
 
2012-02-06 01:19:46 PM

Amos Quito: Lionel Mandrake: Amos Quito: Apparently you've never heard of The Samson Option. (new window)

How very Strangelovian


Yeah, and the shiatty part is that they almost certainly have the means to pull it off.

Their nuclear program has proceeded uninhibited and uninspected from the beginning. They have had "access" to virtually every secret technology developed by the US and others the whole time, so if there is any nasty, horrible weapon that the US (or other Western nations) have developed, you can bet that they have the technology, and that in their perpetual paranoia, they would pursue these things even when more rational nations would not.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 320x242]

"I'm going to blow up the Earth"

And this is not even counting their work on biological, chemical and other weapons.

Is Israel holding the planet hostage?


Did you run out of tin-foil?
 
2012-02-06 01:25:59 PM

give me doughnuts: GAT_00: Amos Quito: Apparently you've never heard of The Samson Option. (new window)

I think he interpreted that to mean I thought Israel would nuke us which really wouldn't make any sense.

Well, that is what it sounded like.

Actually, I think Pakistan is more likely (if they ever figure out where to put the batteries) to set one off in India, and then immediately blame it on a rogue general.


Glad I guessed right. And Pakistan is only likely if India attacks, and US diplo pressure should keep that off. And I'm unconvinced NK actually has one.

Iran is literally surrounded by US bases and allies, and a trigger-happy Israel within bomber range. Of course they want nukes, so people are less likely to attack them.

Israel will strike without provokation or reason, and doing so with a nuke to Tehran is entirely likely from them. They are the biggest threat to the world.
 
2012-02-06 01:32:06 PM

give me doughnuts: "I'm going to blow up the Earth"

And this is not even counting their work on biological, chemical and other weapons.

Is Israel holding the planet hostage?


Did you run out of tin-foil?



Well, it would go a long way in explaining why Obama (and others) are seemingly so easily manipulated into following Israel on her stupicidal quest - even if t means starting WWIII in the process.

Wouldn't it?


/Please ask Tats what Iran could possibly do to placate Israel
//Thanks
 
2012-02-06 01:34:46 PM

GAT_00: Sorry, I meant in general. Of all the countries with nuclear weapons or developing nuclear weapons, I consider Israel most likely to use one.


On that likelihood, I'd still go with us. But I'm a Bayesian.
 
2012-02-06 01:42:29 PM

Frederick: Reading those comments on FOX for the article is a said commentary.


Well said.
 
2012-02-06 01:42:54 PM
Iran is months away from building the bomb!?!!! every year for the past 25 years!!!
 
2012-02-06 01:43:22 PM
I find it somewhat humorous that both Israel and Iran believe that only firepower can guarantee their defense from the other. Israel is just in the position of already having all of the superior weapons while Iran is on the outside looking in. Very hypocritical, in a lot of ways; but, then again, when it comes to international relations what isn't?
 
2012-02-06 01:45:04 PM
Can we stop being Israel's cat's paw already?
 
2012-02-06 01:45:53 PM

GAT_00: give me doughnuts: GAT_00: Amos Quito: Apparently you've never heard of The Samson Option. (new window)

I think he interpreted that to mean I thought Israel would nuke us which really wouldn't make any sense.

Well, that is what it sounded like.

Actually, I think Pakistan is more likely (if they ever figure out where to put the batteries) to set one off in India, and then immediately blame it on a rogue general.

Glad I guessed right. And Pakistan is only likely if India attacks, and US diplo pressure should keep that off. And I'm unconvinced NK actually has one.

Iran is literally surrounded by US bases and allies, and a trigger-happy Israel within bomber range. Of course they want nukes, so people are less likely to attack them.

Israel will strike without provokation or reason, and doing so with a nuke to Tehran is entirely likely from them. They are the biggest threat to the world.



Well then, I guess we'd better keep coddling and spoiling them, lest they throw a tantrum.
 
2012-02-06 01:46:30 PM
Rape murder and pillage until the Muslim scum are erased from the planet. It's the Jewish destiny to be the 1 master race left on the planet.
 
2012-02-06 01:50:08 PM

Party Boy: Relevant to the discussion

Ground Zero
This mapplet shows the thermal damage caused by a nuclear explosion.

Be advised of differences in H and A bombs.


Thank you for that link. They's a nuking everybody!

/bored at work
 
2012-02-06 01:50:41 PM

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: Iran is crumbling. Sanctions are taking their toll, their economy is in the shiatter, their own people are fed up with the current regime and the plan from the West is to keep piling threat on top of threat, week after week? To a country with a strong nationalistic spirit and a young, educated populace with a firm grasp of history? Really?

If you were to stop lobbing Khamenei these softballs he'd be forced to answer for the real problems within his own country. Instead, you're giving him what he needs to divert the public's attention away from that by stirring up support for this ideology of resistance against Western, Zionist sabre rattling.

And to what end? Israel's threats ring hollow and, no matter how much they goad us, they won't bait us into bombing them on their behalf. Both sides know the ramifications; neither are suicidal enough to actually follow through.

Iran's going nuclear whether the world likes it or not; it's something that just needs to be accepted. At the point in which they do get the bomb, they won't just carelessly fire one off towards Jerusalem. Mutually assured destruction and all that.


Shows how ill-educated you are about the subject. All you can do is play the same tired talking points and buzz words, and you think that people will continue to accept them. Wrong. The problem is that Iranians are terrorists, and by design and instinct, terrorists hate our freedoms. Iran is looking at our freedoms and trying to conceive how they can destroy them. So I don't quite care if you do not support the troops and want this country to be subverted from within. You're either with us, or you're against us. And we will get back at Iran for what they did on September 11th, whether you tax my children into financial ruin or not, liberals.
 
2012-02-06 01:51:51 PM
Between Tats Israeli ultra-nationalist propaganda and the ignorant anti-Israeli paranoia, this thread is a train wreck beyond even the norm for these threads.
 
2012-02-06 01:52:26 PM
The US won't be attacking, much less invading Iran anytime soon. We won't do shiat until either they test a nuke or start shooting at boats in Hormuz.

Israel, being much closer, might not be so patient. And they don't ask the UN for permission to defend themselves.
 
2012-02-06 01:54:51 PM

Mike_LowELL: Shows how ill-educated you are about the subject. All you can do is play the same tired talking points and buzz words, and you think that people will continue to accept them. Wrong. The problem is that Iranians are terrorists, and by design and instinct, terrorists hate our freedoms. Iran is looking at our freedoms and trying to conceive how they can destroy them. So I don't quite care if you do not support the troops and want this country to be subverted from within. You're either with us, or you're against us. And we will get back at Iran for what they did on September 11th, whether you tax my children into financial ruin or not, liberals.


I give this post five sparkly, crying eagles out of five.
 
2012-02-06 01:55:52 PM
Tatsuma:

I read your posts and all I can think is :

Shut up, barjockey, you cock!
 
2012-02-06 01:55:55 PM

Amos Quito: give me doughnuts: "I'm going to blow up the Earth"

And this is not even counting their work on biological, chemical and other weapons.

Is Israel holding the planet hostage?


Did you run out of tin-foil?


Well, it would go a long way in explaining why Obama (and others) are seemingly so easily manipulated into following Israel on her stupicidal quest - even if t means starting WWIII in the process.

Wouldn't it?


/Please ask Tats what Iran could possibly do to placate Israel
//Thanks


Please put down the copy of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" that you are currently highlighting, take off the ReynoldsWrap helmet, and go outside. The fresh air will do you good.
 
2012-02-06 01:57:21 PM

apeiron242: The US won't be attacking, much less invading Iran anytime soon. We won't do shiat until either they test a nuke or start shooting at boats in Hormuz.

Israel, being much closer, might not be so patient. And they don't ask the UN for permission to defend themselves launch unjustified and unprovoked acts of aggression.



FTFY.


/Israel has the right to offend itself
 
2012-02-06 01:58:20 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: I give this post five sparkly, crying eagles out of five.


I have repeatedly petitioned the government to make the Sparkly Crying Eagle our national animal but Taxbongo claims I will be arrested if I venture onto the White House lawn again. I guess I will have to wait for Romney to take back this country from the rich elites. *sigh*
 
2012-02-06 01:59:12 PM
...I'm sort of surprised Barrack HUSSEIN N0bama hasn't already given into the Iranian's demands. If he negotiates with the Ayatollahs like he does the House GOP...
 
2012-02-06 02:02:02 PM

give me doughnuts: /Please ask Tats what Iran could possibly do to placate Israel
//Thanks

Please put down the copy of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" that you are currently highlighting, take off the ReynoldsWrap helmet, and go outside. The fresh air will do you good.



Thanks for the Drama Queen hyperbole.

And, since you won't ask Tats, I'll ask you, give me doughnuts:

What can the Iranians possibly do to placate Israel? What specific "evidence" can they provide that they have not provided? What specific steps can they take that they have not taken that will make Israel feel "safer", so they'll call of the dogs and prevent WWIII?

Seriously.

Anyone?
 
2012-02-06 02:04:30 PM

PanicMan: I read your posts and all I can think is :

Shut up, barjockey, you cock!


Well thank you for this well thought-out rebuttal, you've raised up the quality of the debate like I've rarely seen before.

Tip of the hat to you, my good man.
 
2012-02-06 02:05:27 PM
Why would any country listen to our opinion on how military actions will play out?
 
2012-02-06 02:07:59 PM

Lost Thought 00: Rape murder and pillage until the Muslim scum are erased from the planet. It's the Jewish destiny to be the 1 master race left on the planet.


Er yeah. The Israelis are really sticking it to those poor downtrodden muslims.

Which is odd because their muslims neighbors have always been so nice to that fledgling state. Even sending thousands of people over to say high and offer them fruit baskets shortly after the nation was formed.
 
2012-02-06 02:08:03 PM
You libs didn't even want sanctions. I don't see obama having the guts to take out Iran's nukes but when Romney takes office next year that just might change.
 
2012-02-06 02:09:56 PM

evoke: You libs didn't even want sanctions. I don't see obama having the guts to take out Iran's nukes but when Romney takes office next year that just might change.


Tell us about your guts. Will you be enlisting to take part bin that glorious crusade? Are you concerned enough about Iran's nukes to die to eliminate them?
 
2012-02-06 02:10:53 PM

Tatsuma: give me doughnuts: I think it is because they can't put together another one that works. Same reason the Best Koreans only got that one "fizzle-yield" detonation: They don't know what the fark they are doing.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I'm fairly sure Khan knew what he was doing


Heh, in your opinion how many months away is Iran from building the bomb?
 
2012-02-06 02:11:48 PM

Tatsuma: PanicMan: I read your posts and all I can think is :

Shut up, barjockey, you cock!

Well thank you for this well thought-out rebuttal, you've raised up the quality of the debate like I've rarely seen before.

Tip of the hat to you, my good man.


Pot, meet kettle
 
2012-02-06 02:12:03 PM

low_dazzle: Why would any country listen to our opinion on how military actions will play out?


Because if they don't we will bomb them. It's like predicting a traffic jam when you can sabotage street lights at will.
 
2012-02-06 02:13:35 PM

watson.t.hamster: Lost Thought 00: Rape murder and pillage until the Muslim scum are erased from the planet. It's the Jewish destiny to be the 1 master race left on the planet.

Er yeah. The Israelis are really sticking it to those poor downtrodden muslims.

Which is odd because their muslims neighbors have always been so nice to that fledgling state. Even sending thousands of people over to say high and offer them fruit baskets shortly after the nation was formed.


blog.movetolakemary.com

The Zionists chose the worst possible location. Really really bad idea.

Little wonder that most Jews rejected the Zionist plot as insane prior to WWII.
 
2012-02-06 02:17:42 PM

Tatsuma: PanicMan: I read your posts and all I can think is :

Shut up, barjockey, you cock!

Well thank you for this well thought-out rebuttal, you've raised up the quality of the debate like I've rarely seen before.

Tip of the hat to you, my good man.


Thanks , honesty is my policy. You seem to be starting from a position of extreme mistrust and paranoia, and jumping off from there. I have no doubt that you are sincere in your statements and conclusions, but you must be aware that you don't sound reasonable to most people here.
 
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