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2012-02-06 05:17:37 AM
Reading those comments on FOX for the article is a said commentary.
 
2012-02-06 06:31:47 AM
Goddamnit, can they just stop talking about this already?

Seriously. Keep your mouths shut.

Iran is crumbling. Sanctions are taking their toll, their economy is in the shiatter, their own people are fed up with the current regime and the plan from the West is to keep piling threat on top of threat, week after week? To a country with a strong nationalistic spirit and a young, educated populace with a firm grasp of history? Really?

If you were to stop lobbing Khamenei these softballs he'd be forced to answer for the real problems within his own country. Instead, you're giving him what he needs to divert the public's attention away from that by stirring up support for this ideology of resistance against Western, Zionist sabre rattling.

And to what end? Israel's threats ring hollow and, no matter how much they goad us, they won't bait us into bombing them on their behalf. Both sides know the ramifications; neither are suicidal enough to actually follow through.

Iran's going nuclear whether the world likes it or not; it's something that just needs to be accepted. At the point in which they do get the bomb, they won't just carelessly fire one off towards Jerusalem. Mutually assured destruction and all that.

So, so stupid.
 
2012-02-06 06:45:27 AM

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: Goddamnit, can they just stop talking about this already?

Seriously. Keep your mouths shut.

Iran is crumbling. Sanctions are taking their toll, their economy is in the shiatter, their own people are fed up with the current regime and the plan from the West is to keep piling threat on top of threat, week after week? To a country with a strong nationalistic spirit and a young, educated populace with a firm grasp of history? Really?

If you were to stop lobbing Khamenei these softballs he'd be forced to answer for the real problems within his own country. Instead, you're giving him what he needs to divert the public's attention away from that by stirring up support for this ideology of resistance against Western, Zionist sabre rattling.

And to what end? Israel's threats ring hollow and, no matter how much they goad us, they won't bait us into bombing them on their behalf. Both sides know the ramifications; neither are suicidal enough to actually follow through.

Iran's going nuclear whether the world likes it or not; it's something that just needs to be accepted. At the point in which they do get the bomb, they won't just carelessly fire one off towards Jerusalem. Mutually assured destruction and all that.

So, so stupid.


That is some rational contrast to what I was referring to.
 
2012-02-06 08:17:03 AM

Frederick: That is some rational contrast to what I was referring to.


Yeah, except the whole 'Mutually assured destruction' doesn't work with enemies who believe that martyrdom is the highest of values.

And yeah, this week Khameini once again came out and said that Israel is a cancerous tumor and that they will remove it from the world.

A website associated with Khameini came out with a religious jurisprudence that explains it's a religious imperative for Iran to 'Kill all Jews and destroy Israel'

This was also reprinted and agreed with by the Fars agency, a news agency controlled by the Republican Guard and semi-state agency.

Yes I mean us Jews, and especially Israeli Jews, are really zionist war-mongering assholes for being worried about this.

After all, the world has a pretty good record of stopping genocidal madmen who say 'we must kill all the Jews' and are working toward that goal.
 
2012-02-06 08:21:04 AM
Oh and it's not like three terrorist attacks by Iranian-linked terrorist groups were stopped in the last month on Jewish targets. Not Israeli, but Jewish targets. Chabad houses are not Zionist Israeli Havens of Murderous Death.


Nope, no reason at all to be worried.
 
2012-02-06 08:41:37 AM
And here we have Tatsuma to cheer the inevitable nuking of Iranian civilians.

Israel has no interest in diplomatic solutions. It's war all the way. Bomb and occupy, it's all they do.

Israel is far and away the biggest threat to world peace.
 
2012-02-06 08:43:42 AM
Also cute to mention Iranian terrorists and not mention the state sponsored terrorism that us the Mossad and the mass occupation of Palestine.
 
2012-02-06 08:59:40 AM

Tatsuma: Oh and it's not like three terrorist attacks by Iranian-linked terrorist groups were stopped in the last month on Jewish targets. Not Israeli, but Jewish targets. Chabad houses are not Zionist Israeli Havens of Murderous Death.


Nope, no reason at all to be worried.


Will you be jumping for joy again when Iranian civilians are killed in the Israeli attacks?
 
2012-02-06 09:50:45 AM
Clearly we need ribbons and hourly updates.
 
2012-02-06 09:53:38 AM
This diplomatic approach assumes that the Iranians want to negotiate (new window) You know what they say about assuming.
 
2012-02-06 09:54:32 AM
I think we could solve all the problems if that damned Prince of Persia would stop jumping around and do his damned job.
 
2012-02-06 09:58:39 AM

GAT_00: Israel has no interest in diplomatic solutions. It's war all the way. Bomb and occupy, it's all they do.


That's fine. If Israel wants to nuke the shiat out of Iran and deal with the aftermath, then more power to them. I just don't think we need to be involved. I'm sure we'll share intelligence and use of military bases, but let Israel spend the money and send the troops this time. We've invaded more than our share of middle eastern countries already.
 
2012-02-06 09:59:08 AM

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: So, so stupid.


Interesting points but all based on the premise that Iran is capable of acting like a rationale player. Once they have a nuclear bomb and their internal civil unrest resurfaces, they can now launch conventional attacks on Israel (to whatever level appropriate). That way they control the level of external aggression as they see fit to maintain their regime.

Iran should not be allowed to become a nuclear power.
 
2012-02-06 10:01:24 AM

mrshowrules: Iran should not be allowed to become a nuclear power.


I don't see what right anyone has to tell them they can't but fine. Israel, take this one for once.
 
2012-02-06 10:04:02 AM

EnviroDude: You know what they say about assuming.


I assume that everyone advocating war is on their way to the nearest recruiting station to enlist.
 
2012-02-06 10:10:04 AM

Frederick: Reading those comments on FOX for the article is a said commentary.


I think this is my favorite on based on nothing more than the crazy factor's strong presence.

Obama's administration will do anything it takes with taxpayer money to keep any attacks on Iran from happening while he's trying for second term, while looking for a positive spin so he can boast he was the one in charge to solve the problem. Obama's greatest opposition is Platamier Putin (Spelling?) from Russia working the scenes behind him fueling the fire against the US. Russia's country went bankrupt fighting these people years ago, now there on a rebound, found a way to use there countries resources to gain control in time of the entire area & they don't need...
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Platamier Putin working scenes to gain control of time and they don't need! SHOW MORE!
 
2012-02-06 10:14:49 AM

ignatius_crumbcake: EnviroDude: You know what they say about assuming.

I assume that everyone advocating war is on their way to the nearest recruiting station to enlist.


They don't need soldiers. They need a steady supply of 500 pound bombs.
 
2012-02-06 10:18:42 AM

mrshowrules: They don't need soldiers. They need a steady supply of 500 pound bombs.


Fair enough. I assume that everyone advocating war will be voluntarily paying 60% income taxes so we can finance it.
 
2012-02-06 10:22:13 AM

Frederick: Reading those comments on FOX for the article is a said commentary.


Yep.. I thought we were already in too much debt to pay for something like a war against Iran? Or are we only in too much debt to fix our domestic problems?
 
2012-02-06 10:23:49 AM

Tatsuma: After all, the world has a pretty good record of stopping genocidal madmen who say 'we must kill all the Jews' and are working toward that goal.


If melodrama could get one high, we'd all be tripping balls right now.
 
2012-02-06 10:25:40 AM

Tatsuma: Oh and it's not like three terrorist attacks by Iranian-linked terrorist groups were stopped in the last month on Jewish targets. Not Israeli, but Jewish targets. Chabad houses are not Zionist Israeli Havens of Murderous Death.


Nope, no reason at all to be worried.


If Israel's worried, then they should do something about it. I don't give a shiat. But America should stay the f*ck out.
 
2012-02-06 10:26:24 AM

ignatius_crumbcake: mrshowrules: They don't need soldiers. They need a steady supply of 500 pound bombs.

Fair enough. I assume that everyone advocating war will be voluntarily paying 60% income taxes so we can finance it.


Let Israel pay for it.
 
2012-02-06 10:28:59 AM

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: If you were to stop lobbing Khamenei these softballs he'd be forced to answer for the real problems within his own country. Instead, you're giving him what he needs to divert the public's attention away from that by stirring up support for this ideology of resistance against Western, Zionist sabre rattling.


Of course. War (and the threat of war) sells weapons, which makes money.
 
2012-02-06 10:29:34 AM

Lionel Mandrake: If Israel's worried, then they should do something about it. I don't give a shiat. But America should stay the f*ck out.


I don't even see how Iran trying to get a nuclear weapon is a huge threat to Israel. Israel has a much more advanced nuclear program, and the US as an ally. It wouldn't make sense for Iran to try to attack Israel. And Iran is certainly not a threat to the US.
 
2012-02-06 10:33:30 AM

Tatsuma: Frederick: That is some rational contrast to what I was referring to.

Yeah, except the whole 'Mutually assured destruction' doesn't work with enemies who believe that martyrdom is the highest of values.



That, too.

Tatsuma: After all, the world has a pretty good record of stopping genocidal madmen who say 'we must kill all the Jews' and are working toward that goal.


I'd like to think we're 1 for 1, but we may be a bit rusty on that exercise.

PS: nice Godwin, btw. +1
 
2012-02-06 10:34:32 AM

sweetmelissa31: Lionel Mandrake: If Israel's worried, then they should do something about it. I don't give a shiat. But America should stay the f*ck out.

I don't even see how Iran trying to get a nuclear weapon is a huge threat to Israel. Israel has a much more advanced nuclear program, and the US as an ally. It wouldn't make sense for Iran to try to attack Israel. And Iran is certainly not a threat to the US.


Right. If Iran gets nukes, and shoots them at Israel, their utter destruction is inevitable. They should just cut out the middle-man and nuke themselves. I don't care how verbosely belligerent Iran is, they are not dumb enough to sign their own death warrant.

But if Israel wants to open a can of worms, and make themselves even more hated, let them. But America needs to stay way the hell out of that shiatstorm.
 
2012-02-06 10:34:50 AM

sweetmelissa31: Lionel Mandrake: If Israel's worried, then they should do something about it. I don't give a shiat. But America should stay the f*ck out.

I don't even see how Iran trying to get a nuclear weapon is a huge threat to Israel. Israel has a much more advanced nuclear program, and the US as an ally. It wouldn't make sense for Iran to try to attack Israel. And Iran is certainly not a threat to the US.


IIRC, a lot of the Sunni nations (i.e. Saudi Arabia) are also worried about Iran getting the bomb.

But, yeah, America needs to stay the f*ck out. (if it can)
 
2012-02-06 10:37:08 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Right. If Iran gets nukes, and shoots them at Israel, their utter destruction is inevitable. They should just cut out the middle-man and nuke themselves. I don't care how verbosely belligerent Iran is, they are not dumb enough to sign their own death warrant.


Along the lines of what Tats said, Iran having the bomb, in and of itself, isn't the biggest problem. The real problem is that they'd then have the technology to hand it off to people like Hezzbolah, who would have no qualms martyring themselves and a few hundred thousand Jews in the very fires of God.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.
 
2012-02-06 10:37:20 AM

Tatsuma: Yeah, except the whole 'Mutually assured destruction' doesn't work with enemies who believe that martyrdom is the highest of values.


If this is the case, why hasn't Pakistan used their nuclear weapons yet?
 
2012-02-06 10:39:42 AM

xanadian: Lionel Mandrake: Right. If Iran gets nukes, and shoots them at Israel, their utter destruction is inevitable. They should just cut out the middle-man and nuke themselves. I don't care how verbosely belligerent Iran is, they are not dumb enough to sign their own death warrant.

Along the lines of what Tats said, Iran having the bomb, in and of itself, isn't the biggest problem. The real problem is that they'd then have the technology to hand it off to people like Hezzbolah, who would have no qualms martyring themselves and a few hundred thousand Jews in the very fires of God.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.


Well, then Israel better attack Pakistan and all the former Soviet nations with their "loose nukes" and poorly protected nuke components.
 
2012-02-06 10:40:59 AM

ignatius_crumbcake: EnviroDude: You know what they say about assuming.

I assume that everyone advocating war is on their way to the nearest recruiting station to enlist.


I assume so, for those living in Iran. lol
 
2012-02-06 10:41:09 AM

sweetmelissa31: Tatsuma: Yeah, except the whole 'Mutually assured destruction' doesn't work with enemies who believe that martyrdom is the highest of values.

If this is the case, why hasn't Pakistan used their nuclear weapons yet?


Because...SOCIALISM!
 
2012-02-06 10:43:40 AM

Lionel Mandrake: xanadian: Lionel Mandrake: Right. If Iran gets nukes, and shoots them at Israel, their utter destruction is inevitable. They should just cut out the middle-man and nuke themselves. I don't care how verbosely belligerent Iran is, they are not dumb enough to sign their own death warrant.

Along the lines of what Tats said, Iran having the bomb, in and of itself, isn't the biggest problem. The real problem is that they'd then have the technology to hand it off to people like Hezzbolah, who would have no qualms martyring themselves and a few hundred thousand Jews in the very fires of God.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

Well, then Israel better attack Pakistan and all the former Soviet nations with their "loose nukes" and poorly protected nuke components.


To be fair, it might be entertaining to see more cells quietly exterminate themselves in the purchase and storage of non-weapons grade nuclear materials that are all over that market. At this point, it is a great time to bilk terrorist groups and then blame the running dog lackies of the West on sabotaging their programs.
 
2012-02-06 10:47:50 AM

Tatsuma: Oh and it's not like three terrorist attacks by Iranian-linked terrorist groups were stopped in the last month on Jewish targets. Not Israeli, but Jewish targets. Chabad houses are not Zionist Israeli Havens of Murderous Death.


Nope, no reason at all to be worried.


Err, I think Herr Hitler did a little more than that....
 
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2012-02-06 10:53:41 AM
We have already paid billions to Israel in the form of weapons. They even have an ABM system that we paid for. I think we have done our part.

Link (new window)
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2012-02-06 11:15:01 AM

ignatius_crumbcake: GAT_00: Israel has no interest in diplomatic solutions. It's war all the way. Bomb and occupy, it's all they do.

That's fine. If Israel wants to nuke the shiat out of Iran and deal with the aftermath, then more power to them. I just don't think we need to be involved. I'm sure we'll share intelligence and use of military bases, but let Israel spend the money and send the troops this time. We've invaded more than our share of middle eastern countries already.


I agree. Let them do what they are going to do. We should just step out of the way and make Israel makes its own bed and deal with the mess. I still cant understand why we need to be involved.
 
2012-02-06 11:27:54 AM
www.arts.ualberta.ca

"The president sought to assure allies and foes alike that the
United States was working in lockstep with Israel to solve the crisis"
 
2012-02-06 11:36:34 AM

xanadian: Tatsuma: After all, the world has a pretty good record of stopping genocidal madmen who say 'we must kill all the Jews' and are working toward that goal.

I'd like to think we're 1 for 1, but we may be a bit rusty on that exercise.

PS: nice Godwin, btw. +1


I know "The Chosen People" have a pretty high opinion on their importance but the US didn't fight WWII to save the Jews. The Jews weren't even the only people being slaughtered in the Holocaust. No, really! They killed others too. Hollywood will get to them eventually.
 
2012-02-06 11:39:03 AM

Mugato: xanadian: Tatsuma: After all, the world has a pretty good record of stopping genocidal madmen who say 'we must kill all the Jews' and are working toward that goal.

I'd like to think we're 1 for 1, but we may be a bit rusty on that exercise.

PS: nice Godwin, btw. +1

I know "The Chosen People" have a pretty high opinion on their importance but the US didn't fight WWII to save the Jews. The Jews weren't even the only people being slaughtered in the Holocaust. No, really! They killed others too. Hollywood will get to them eventually.


ANTI-SEMITE!!1!
 
2012-02-06 11:41:03 AM
I'm sure the other 5 million Hitler had killed would like some recognition every now and then. Everything isn't all about the Jews.
 
2012-02-06 12:31:08 PM
IAEA, Feb 01:


IAEA, Iran to meet again after "good" talks (new window)

QUOTES:

"We are committed to resolve all the outstanding issues and the Iranians said they are committed too," Herman Nackaerts, IAEA deputy director general, told reporters after returning from Tehran.

"But of course there is still a lot of work to be done and so we have planned another trip in the very near future."

Asked if he was satisfied with the talks, Nackaerts said: "Yeah, we had a good trip."

[...]

Proliferation expert Mark Fitzpatrick described Nackaerts' statement about more meetings as a positive sign.

"The IAEA would not be scheduling another trip unless they had an expectation of progress in clearing away at least some of the questions about suspicious past nuclear activity," said Fitzpatrick, a director of the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

In Tehran, Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi also said more talks would be needed but did not say when.

"We had very good meetings and we planned to continue these negotiations. The team had some questions about the claimed studies. One step has been taken forward," he told the semi- official Fars news agency in Tehran.

IAEA BOARD MEETING

By "studies," Salehi was alluding to intelligence reports indicating that Iran has covertly researched ways to design a nuclear weapon - Western allegations that were backed up by a detailed IAEA report in November.

Salehi added: "We were ready to show them our nuclear facilities, but they didn't ask for it."

Lower-level IAEA inspectors based in Iran have regular, if limited, access to Iran's declared nuclear installations.

END QUOTES

TODAY

Obama slaps new sanctions on Iran

(new window)

QUOTES:


President Obama slapped new sanctions on Iran Monday, freezing all property of the Central Bank of Iran, other financial institutions, and the central government.

"These actions underscore the administration's resolve to hold the Iranian regime accountable for its failure to meet its international obligations," said a statement from the Treasury Department. "Iran now faces an unprecedented level of pressure due to intensified sanctions applied by the United States and complementary actions by many others around the world.

"The new E.O. issued today reemphasizes this administration's message to the government of Iran -- it will face ever-increasing economic and diplomatic pressure until it addresses the international community's well-founded and well-documented concerns regarding the nature of its nuclear program."

END QUOTES


So the IAEA says that Iran is cooperating. BRAVO!

And how do we reward this cooperation?

WITH MORE SANCTIONS!

What the fark???
 
2012-02-06 12:35:14 PM

sweetmelissa31: I don't even see how Iran trying to get a nuclear weapon is a huge threat to Israel.


Are you serious? These people have repeatedly claimed that they wanted to wipe out Israel, that it would take at most 2 or 3 nuclear weapons to do so, and that it's a religious duty for them to do so.

They also said that even though Israel would retaliate and it would lead to the death of millions of Iranians, it's a small price to pay in order to be able to rid the world of the zionist entity.

sweetmelissa31: Israel has a much more advanced nuclear program, and the US as an ally. It wouldn't make sense for Iran to try to attack Israel.


MAD only works when your enemy is afraid of death. When they believe that martyrdom, that dying for the sake of killing the enemies of Allah, is literally the best thing ever, then that line of thinking stops working

sweetmelissa31: And Iran is certainly not a threat to the US.


Have you not noticed more than 30 years of 'death to America', the fact that hundreds of Americans have been killed in terrorist attacks by Iran and sponsored by Iran, and that they could literally kill hundreds of millions of Americans with one single nuclear bomb?

All it would take is a detonation of a bomb in the atmosphere of the US.
 
2012-02-06 12:38:03 PM

xanadian: I'd like to think we're 1 for 1, but we may be a bit rusty on that exercise.

PS: nice Godwin, btw. +1


Well to be fair, I was also including the 1948, 1967 and 1973 wars, which all had the same goal.

sweetmelissa31: If this is the case, why hasn't Pakistan used their nuclear weapons yet?


Because the military dictatorship of Pakistan does not believe that Jihad is the best thing ever, they think staying in power and getting billions from America is the best thing ever.

The people trying to take over Pakistan, on the other hand...
 
2012-02-06 12:41:11 PM

Tatsuma: sweetmelissa31: I don't even see how Iran trying to get a nuclear weapon is a huge threat to Israel.

Are you serious? These people have repeatedly claimed that they wanted to wipe out Israel, that it would take at most 2 or 3 nuclear weapons to do so, and that it's a religious duty for them to do so.

They also said that even though Israel would retaliate and it would lead to the death of millions of Iranians, it's a small price to pay in order to be able to rid the world of the zionist entity.

sweetmelissa31: Israel has a much more advanced nuclear program, and the US as an ally. It wouldn't make sense for Iran to try to attack Israel.

MAD only works when your enemy is afraid of death. When they believe that martyrdom, that dying for the sake of killing the enemies of Allah, is literally the best thing ever, then that line of thinking stops working

sweetmelissa31: And Iran is certainly not a threat to the US.

Have you not noticed more than 30 years of 'death to America', the fact that hundreds of Americans have been killed in terrorist attacks by Iran and sponsored by Iran, and that they could literally kill hundreds of millions of Americans with one single nuclear bomb?

All it would take is a detonation of a bomb in the atmosphere of the US.


OMFG!!1! We must invade Iran and occupy them indefinitely!! It's the ONLY to be sure they won't kill our children!!1!

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?!!??
 
2012-02-06 12:44:15 PM
Relevant to the discussion

Ground Zero
This mapplet shows the thermal damage caused by a nuclear explosion.


Be advised of differences in H and A bombs.
 
2012-02-06 12:45:04 PM

sweetmelissa31: Tatsuma: Yeah, except the whole 'Mutually assured destruction' doesn't work with enemies who believe that martyrdom is the highest of values.

If this is the case, why hasn't Pakistan used their nuclear weapons yet?


I think it is because they can't put together another one that works. Same reason the Best Koreans only got that one "fizzle-yield" detonation: They don't know what the fark they are doing.
 
2012-02-06 12:48:27 PM

Tatsuma: Have you not noticed more than 30 years of 'death to America', the fact that hundreds of Americans have been killed in terrorist attacks by Iran and sponsored by Iran, and that they could literally kill hundreds of millions of Americans with one single nuclear bomb?


This is a steaming pile of bullshiat. Absolute nonsense.
 
2012-02-06 12:49:34 PM

give me doughnuts: I think it is because they can't put together another one that works. Same reason the Best Koreans only got that one "fizzle-yield" detonation: They don't know what the fark they are doing.


I wouldn't be so sure about that. I'm fairly sure Khan knew what he was doing, and American Intelligence seems to think we absolutely need to prop up Karachi and make sure they don't fall because they have so many nukes all over the place, it'll end up for sure in the hand of the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Or explode all over India.
 
2012-02-06 12:49:46 PM

Tatsuma: Have you not noticed more than 30 years of 'death to America', the fact that hundreds of Americans have been killed in terrorist attacks by Iran and sponsored by Iran, and that they could literally kill hundreds of millions of Americans with one single nuclear bomb?


So could Israel. So could Russia.

Israel is the only country I expect would actually do it.
 
2012-02-06 12:50:48 PM
 
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