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(Washington Post)   Susan Komen foundation hiring Ari Fleischer to rebuild trust, dispel charges of partisanship. What a bunch of boobs   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 187
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2012-02-06 02:04:51 AM  
Williamson likened the reaction in her office to a Category 5 hurricane. But, she said, "a really good brand can withstand a big hurricane."

Her use of the word brand instead of charity speaks volumes.
 
2012-02-06 03:06:59 AM  
"They would be the first to admit they're a grass-roots organization"


Right.

And Apple Inc. is just a couple nerds in their parents garage.

When you're taking in almost half a billion in donations a year, you can say you've hit the big time.
 
2012-02-06 07:31:45 AM  

Javacrucian: Williamson likened the reaction in her office to a Category 5 hurricane. But, she said, "a really good brand can withstand a big hurricane."

Her use of the word brand instead of charity speaks volumes.


It's a money making machine. If they actually found a cure they'd lose money in donations wouldn't they?
 
2012-02-06 08:09:40 AM  
Still no cure for Komen
 
2012-02-06 08:20:35 AM  
Curing cancer would be a very bad thing for the Komen brand.
 
2012-02-06 08:57:54 AM  
Looks like they've yet to learn a lesson. I will probably hold out on any more support until Handel is gone.
 
2012-02-06 09:39:18 AM  

Javacrucian: Her use of the word brand instead of charity speaks volumes.


Yep.
 
2012-02-06 10:10:53 AM  

Petit_Merdeux: "They would be the first to admit they're a grass-roots organization"


Right.

And Apple Inc. is just a couple nerds in their parents garage.

When you're taking in almost half a billion in donations a year, you can say you've hit the big time.


Conversely, if you're a half billion dollar a year organization and you're still operating as "Grass Roots" you need to get your shiat together.
 
2012-02-06 11:15:21 AM  

clancifer: Looks like they've yet to learn a lesson. I will probably hold out on any more support until Handel is gone.


This. They're going to try and improve their PR instead of removing the problem.
 
2012-02-06 11:27:32 AM  
This should end well
 
2012-02-06 11:35:21 AM  
Few things are more screwed up than the politics of abortion.

i219.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-06 11:35:33 AM  
They say the brand can survive this. Not likely. They only product they offer is trust and that is the only thing their competition has to beat them on:

Breast Cancer Fund
Breast Cancer Research Foundation
Cancer Care
Cancer Research Institute
CureSearch/National Childhood Cancer Foundation
Leukemia & Lymphoma Society
Livestrong (formerly Lance Armstrong Foundation)
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
Multiple Myeloma Research Foundation
National Breast Cancer Coalition Fund
Prevent Cancer Foundation
St. Jude Children's Research Hospital (ALSAC)
 
2012-02-06 11:45:56 AM  

mrshowrules: They say the brand can survive this. Not likely. They only product they offer is trust and that is the only thing their competition has to beat them on:

Breast Cancer Fund
Breast Cancer Research Foundation
Cancer Care
Cancer Research Institute
CureSearch/National Childhood Cancer Foundation
Leukemia & Lymphoma Society
Livestrong (formerly Lance Armstrong Foundation)
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
Multiple Myeloma Research Foundation
National Breast Cancer Coalition Fund
Prevent Cancer Foundation
St. Jude Children's Research Hospital (ALSAC)


Or, the cancer trial "cooperative groups".

I was on a contract years ago with the NCI to build a process and the supporting systems to streamline and standardize clinical trial submissions and approvals, and the data gathering for ongoing trials. In many cases the trials from these groups were combo therapies involving surgical, chemical, radiological, and therapeutic approaches. The trials submitted by Big Pharma and for-profit outfits? All chemical (with a few execptions).
 
2012-02-06 11:46:47 AM  

mrshowrules: They say the brand can survive this. Not likely. They only product they offer is trust and that is the only thing their competition has to beat them on:


I honestly think they're done and I am okay with that. People will still donate to cancer research, but to actual charities, not "brands". Since this whole thing started, their statements have been so poorly worded that they can no longer even sort of conceal the truth.

And as I said before, if people are still pissed at Netflix for their PR flub last summer, this is not going to just wash away with soap and water.
 
2012-02-06 11:49:18 AM  

clancifer: Looks like they've yet to learn a lesson. I will probably hold out on any more support until Handel is gone.


This. Be sure to make this known to those whose opinions matter most.

And why stop with Fleischer? Go full scumbag and hire Rove. The pro-Planned Parenthood people will positively swoon!
 
2012-02-06 11:51:52 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: And why stop with Fleischer? Go full scumbag and hire Rove. The pro-Planned Parenthood people will positively swoon!


Don't you mean pro-abortion?

They should really just give up, they've failed about 100 times now.
 
2012-02-06 12:09:30 PM  

serpent_sky: Lionel Mandrake: And why stop with Fleischer? Go full scumbag and hire Rove. The pro-Planned Parenthood people will positively swoon!

Don't you mean pro-abortion?

They should really just give up, they've failed about 100 times now.


Well, abortion is 90% of what PP does, right?
 
2012-02-06 12:19:16 PM  
You'd think they'd have a better feel for their customers.
 
2012-02-06 12:21:21 PM  

Diogenes: mrshowrules: They say the brand can survive this. Not likely. They only product they offer is trust and that is the only thing their competition has to beat them on:

Breast Cancer Fund
Breast Cancer Research Foundation
Cancer Care
Cancer Research Institute
CureSearch/National Childhood Cancer Foundation
Leukemia & Lymphoma Society
Livestrong (formerly Lance Armstrong Foundation)
Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
Multiple Myeloma Research Foundation
National Breast Cancer Coalition Fund
Prevent Cancer Foundation
St. Jude Children's Research Hospital (ALSAC)

Or, the cancer trial "cooperative groups".

I was on a contract years ago with the NCI to build a process and the supporting systems to streamline and standardize clinical trial submissions and approvals, and the data gathering for ongoing trials. In many cases the trials from these groups were combo therapies involving surgical, chemical, radiological, and therapeutic approaches. The trials submitted by Big Pharma and for-profit outfits? All chemical (with a few execptions).


I actually have some confidence that we will see major cancer cures in the next 30 years. BTW. Shouldn't someone update the GOP enemies list and add "breast cancer screenings".
 
2012-02-06 12:35:43 PM  
I was doing some work on Friday for a customer's daughter who lived in an upscale Boston apartment. The whole time I was there she was on the phone. I'm pretty sure she belonged to Komen in some way, shape or form. She kept saying, "Let's not make this about national policy, let's keep this local."

And some other stuff that was full of spin.
 
2012-02-06 12:43:55 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Curing cancer would be a very bad thing for the Komen brand.


Just like the guy who invented the rape whistle. It's a great product to deter rape, but if rapes actually dropped, so would the sale of rape whistles.
 
2012-02-06 12:45:10 PM  

jaylectricity: I was doing some work on Friday for a customer's daughter who lived in an upscale Boston apartment. The whole time I was there she was on the phone. I'm pretty sure she belonged to Komen in some way, shape or form. She kept saying, "Let's not make this about national policy, let's keep this local."

And some other stuff that was full of spin.


FAIL
 
2012-02-06 12:48:35 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Vodka Zombie: Curing cancer would be a very bad thing for the Komen brand.

Just like the guy who invented the rape whistle. It's a great product to deter rape, but if rapes actually dropped, so would the sale of rape whistles.


Uh...

A lower number of house fires doesn't stop people from buying smoke detectors.
 
2012-02-06 12:53:16 PM  
Looks like they're expecting women to forget...

Thing about that for a moment.

Bwa-hahaha-snort-giggle-... oh my.
 
2012-02-06 12:54:21 PM  

Diogenes: clancifer: Looks like they've yet to learn a lesson. I will probably hold out on any more support until Handel is gone.

This. They're going to try and improve their PR instead of removing the problem.


Yep. The only way I consider giving Komen another dime is if they:

1: Fire Karen Handel
2: Publicly admit that their initial decision WAS an intentional attempt to defund an organization because it provides birth control and abortion services.
3: Publicly admit that their attempt at damage control, including the lie about defunding ALL organizations under any sort of investigation, was purely window dressing in an attempt to "legitimize" cutting off funds to Planned Parenthood.
4: Publish a statement confirming that the Komen Foundation will never make funding decisions based upon a requesting organization's involvement with women's reproductive health.

I'll think about giving them money then. Or maybe not, since having the Komen Foundation collapse in a big pink heap will serve as a serious warning to other foundations who abase themselves before the Religious Right.
 
2012-02-06 01:21:27 PM  

dahmers love zombie: I'll think about giving them money then. Or maybe not, since having the Komen Foundation collapse in a big pink heap will serve as a serious warning to other foundations who abase themselves before the Religious Right.


I see no reason to ever give them a cent again. All their PR spin is nothing more than a response to a backlash, and not remotely based in truth or admitting they made a mistake -- because they don't think they did. They will find ways to pull this crap again, just taking steps to better hide that they care more about what the religious right thinks than they do about actually screening for, preventing, and curing breast cancer.

Demonizing Planned Parenthood is not a good idea when so many women rely, or at some point, relied on them for routine health care and/or affordable birth control. Most of us are damned thankful for Planned Parenthood. I'd probably be dead from cancer if they'd not identified precancerous cells and treated me for about $50 -- since I was unemployed and without insurance at the time. No way I could have afforded a gynecologist's rates, so I wouldn't have gotten the care I needed.
 
2012-02-06 01:39:26 PM  

clancifer: Looks like they've yet to learn a lesson. I will probably hold out on any more support until Handel is gone.


Karen Handel screwed up. she put her personal ideology ahead of the goals of her organization and got Komen involved in a fight it could only lose.

I'd be surprised if Handel isn't already under serious pressure to resign.
 
2012-02-06 02:18:25 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: serpent_sky: Lionel Mandrake: And why stop with Fleischer? Go full scumbag and hire Rove. The pro-Planned Parenthood people will positively swoon!

Don't you mean pro-abortion?

They should really just give up, they've failed about 100 times now.

Well, abortion is 90% of what PP does, right?


That number is only accurate when you count in the mandatory abortions laid out in Obamacare.
 
2012-02-06 02:21:30 PM  
Pink Ribbons Inc (new window)

Auspicious timing. This is going to slap 'em down even further.
 
2012-02-06 02:21:39 PM  
I can picture how this went down it is all too common. The bullyish social conservatives run their yaps non stop about their stupid pet cause ,nobody else calls them out because most people are polite and don't want to ruffle feathers even if they belong to a bigoted old hen. Then the douchebag/battle ax, whatever, thinks everyone thinks like them and they get a false perception of the popularity of their ideas and they run with it.
 
2012-02-06 02:23:51 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: serpent_sky: Lionel Mandrake:

Well, abortion is 90% of what PP does, right?

*

* This is not intended to be a factual statementTM Jon Kyl
 
2012-02-06 02:25:33 PM  
 
2012-02-06 02:27:43 PM  

Weaver95: clancifer: Looks like they've yet to learn a lesson. I will probably hold out on any more support until Handel is gone.

Karen Handel screwed up. she put her personal ideology ahead of the goals of her organization and got Komen involved in a fight it could only lose.

I'd be surprised if Handel isn't already under serious pressure to resign.


Apparently, she was trying to burnish her anti-abortion bonafides for another run in Georgia politics. She seemingly didn't realize that the stances you need to win a Republican primary in Georgia are not the same stances you should apply to a national charity.
 
2012-02-06 02:28:10 PM  

Weaver95: clancifer: Looks like they've yet to learn a lesson. I will probably hold out on any more support until Handel is gone.

Karen Handel screwed up. she put her personal ideology ahead of the goals of her organization and got Komen involved in a fight it could only lose.

I'd be surprised if Handel isn't already under serious pressure to resign.


I don't think she's going anywhere. She got hired with her...qualifications out in the open. They knew what they were getting, and I think that indicates like-minded people are running the show there.

There is probably little talk of ousting her, they're probably just figuring out a more palatable way to kill the funding.
 
2012-02-06 02:28:33 PM  

Weaver95: Karen Handel screwed up. she put her personal ideology ahead of the goals of her organization and got Komen involved in a fight it could only lose.

I'd be surprised if Handel isn't already under serious pressure to resign.


I would bet that the people in charge at SBK think they can wave some shiny objects in front of the masses and then after a short while masses will all forget about this. Their response to this wasn't to fire Handel, they hired another rightwing douchebag in Ari Fleischer.

If a year or two from now they are really hurting for donations, then maybe they'll let Handel go (and probably with a golden parachute).
 
2012-02-06 02:28:37 PM  
Sound like Ari Might be more involved than most people think. Link
 
2012-02-06 02:30:20 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Weaver95: clancifer: Looks like they've yet to learn a lesson. I will probably hold out on any more support until Handel is gone.

Karen Handel screwed up. she put her personal ideology ahead of the goals of her organization and got Komen involved in a fight it could only lose.

I'd be surprised if Handel isn't already under serious pressure to resign.

I don't think she's going anywhere. She got hired with her...qualifications out in the open. They knew what they were getting, and I think that indicates like-minded people are running the show there.

There is probably little talk of ousting her, they're probably just figuring out a more palatable way to kill the funding.


Some of the rank-and-file members, and probably large portions of the marketing division would like her out. But yeah, the management that brought her in probably thinks the problem is with how the thing was handled, not the policy or Handel themselves.
 
2012-02-06 02:30:34 PM  

Umeraken Ideut: Lionel Mandrake: serpent_sky: Lionel Mandrake: And why stop with Fleischer? Go full scumbag and hire Rove. The pro-Planned Parenthood people will positively swoon!

Don't you mean pro-abortion?

They should really just give up, they've failed about 100 times now.

Well, abortion is 90% of what PP does, right?

That number is only accurate when you count in the mandatory abortions laid out in Obamacare.



Not to mention the ones done by NPR.
 
2012-02-06 02:30:49 PM  
Um, Komen has always been run by crazy fundies, this is far from new. Did people not find this out by googling the charity when they have a run in your town or whatever? Am I the only person that donates to things that isn't terminally incurious?

Then, once I looked them up they didn't get any of my money, though it was more that the 80% overhead and focus on lobbying kinda elbowed me in the ribs and muttered "front organization" than the religious thing. There are religious charities that are perfectly cool, I note St. Jude's has already been mentioned.

//I'm not sure whether I'm more annoyed by the stunt itself or the fact that people are so uninformed about a fairly large public institution that the stunt came as a surprise. It's about as surprising as the chamber of commerce coming out against a tax increase for businesses.
 
2012-02-06 02:30:53 PM  

dogdaze: Few things are more screwed up than the politics of abortion.

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Flip that entire decription to the other side (pro-abortion=anti capital punishment) and its true also

/which is why I'm pro-choice/pro death penalty -- death for everyone!
 
2012-02-06 02:31:02 PM  

Headso: I can picture how this went down it is all too common. The bullyish social conservatives run their yaps non stop about their stupid pet cause ,nobody else calls them out because most people are polite and don't want to ruffle feathers even if they belong to a bigoted old hen. Then the douchebag/battle ax, whatever, thinks everyone thinks like them and they get a false perception of the popularity of their ideas and they run with it.


Classic groupthink. "Everyone I know agrees with me so how could I be wrong."

Every office has the "way-too-political guy" who yammers incessantly about politics and doesn't realize that silence/changing the subject is not the same as agreement.
 
2012-02-06 02:31:09 PM  
Handel hasn't been fired yet?

I guess that's why they need a hatchet man.
 
2012-02-06 02:31:23 PM  

Magorn: In case anyone wasn't sure of this already:

Proof that the decision to Defund PP WAS political, that Handel, initiated and drove the it almost single-handedly and that shefought tooth and nail against reversing the decision even after it blew up in SGK's face. (new window)


ftfa: "She said, 'If we just say it's about investigations, we can defund Planned Parenthood and no one can blame us for being political.'"

A woman so stupid that she believes everyone would just go along with that line of complete and utter bullshiat is their vice president for public policy. Knowing someone that idiotic and out of touch holds such a high position there suggests the whole place must be full of retards.
 
2012-02-06 02:31:30 PM  
The stupid CEO looks like a typical Republican woman: ugly, trapped in the '80s, and full of shiat.

The fact that she's still trying to repair the 'brand' shows just how out of date she is. You just revealed that your 'charity' is a useless middleman that skims some off the top to donate. Who the fark needs a farking foundation that can't even pass the vast majority of donations to the actual charities themselves?

If she had any grace she'd resign. If she was a human being, she would walk out a window.
 
2012-02-06 02:32:00 PM  
Ari Fleischer? Yeah, that's gonna make it look like it was a completely non-partisan decision to cut off Planned Parenthood.

Are these people morons?
 
2012-02-06 02:32:46 PM  

Befuddled: Weaver95: Karen Handel screwed up. she put her personal ideology ahead of the goals of her organization and got Komen involved in a fight it could only lose.

I'd be surprised if Handel isn't already under serious pressure to resign.

I would bet that the people in charge at SBK think they can wave some shiny objects in front of the masses and then after a short while masses will all forget about this. Their response to this wasn't to fire Handel, they hired another rightwing douchebag in Ari Fleischer.

If a year or two from now they are really hurting for donations, then maybe they'll let Handel go (and probably with a golden parachute).


I don't think there's any "probably" about it.
 
2012-02-06 02:33:41 PM  
They lost my confidence and trust when they went crawling back to the abortionists at Planned Parenthood.
 
2012-02-06 02:34:24 PM  

clancifer: Looks like they've yet to learn a lesson. I will probably hold out on any more support until Handel is gone.


but ari got handel in in the first place ... so ari who caused the problem will now be in charge of fixing the problem?

still no cure for ari handel
 
2012-02-06 02:37:23 PM  

theorellior: Ari Fleischer? Yeah, that's gonna make it look like it was a completely non-partisan decision to cut off Planned Parenthood.

Are these people morons?


It's very possible that they are used to people giving them lots of leeway because they are a charity.
 
2012-02-06 02:37:42 PM  
This Komen sounds like a real piece of work. After watching Ari fling complete BS at us during the Iraqi invasion how can anyone want to hire him unless they were looking for a BS artist?

Apparently, more women die of lung cancer than breast cancer and it's not getting the attention it needs. Maybe it's time to move support where it's needed more.
 
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