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(Huffington Post)   LEVEL 1 EMERGENCY: Japan's 59% of female respondents aged 16 to 19 said they were uninterested in or averse to sex, a near 12% increase since 2008   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 545
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2012-02-05 11:37:24 PM  
What the hell is wrong with that country
 
2012-02-05 11:44:26 PM  
"Building a relationship seems like too much effort. To get her to like me and for me to like her... I'd have to give up everything I do at the weekend for her. I don't want to do that."

It sounds like an entire country is tired of her shiat.
 
2012-02-05 11:47:29 PM  
Does this mean they're going to get even weirder?
 
2012-02-05 11:53:52 PM  
We should have a Fark Party there...those sound like better odds than what most of us are used to
 
2012-02-05 11:58:53 PM  
It has certainly been the case that I've not gotten laid as much as I'd like while living here in Japan.

There may be something to this story.
 
2012-02-06 12:01:07 AM  
Yeah, but can you blame them when its all pixels and tentacles over there?

You know youve been watching too much japanese porn when you pop a boner watching cops.
 
2012-02-06 12:01:10 AM  
well, they do get raped by tentacle monsters a lot. not likely to leave a very good impression.
 
2012-02-06 12:14:59 AM  
Sounds like a lot of guys aren't doing enough side quests to get the 100% ending. This means leveling up their pets as well.
 
2012-02-06 12:15:15 AM  

The Incredible Sexual Egg: What the hell is wrong with that country


Considering they have female only subway cars because men keep gropiing women, and it's a hyper sexualized culture that treats women like children, it's probably a lifetime of sexual mistreatment that turns them off to sex.

Treat women with respect and they enjoy sex more. Who would have thunk it???
 
2012-02-06 12:39:49 AM  
Google "Nagasaki Martyrs" if you want to learn about wacky Japanese doings.

www.hanscomfamily.com
 
2012-02-06 12:43:34 AM  
Pics of hot Asian chicks. Stat!
i262.photobucket.com
i104.photobucket.com
i56.photobucket.com
i56.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-06 12:45:13 AM  
Knowing what I know about Japanese men and women my guess would be that a large part of the problem has to do with the way Japanese men treat Japanese women. Also the way men treat women and vice versa is for the most part a learned trait. So part of the problem lies with they way their parents treat(ed) each other.

/that and Japanese women get more excited about a new purse than just about anything else in life
//and Japanese men couldn't find a clit with two hands, a tongue and a copy of Our Bodies Ourselves
///A Japanese guy I knew got laid for the first time in at least 5 years. THE NEXT FARKING DAY he's walking around the house in front of her in his BVD's. His comment "I'm not going to change who I am for her." No surprise when she bolted.
 
2012-02-06 01:07:46 AM  
This chick I worked with had a thing for asian dudes. I wondered why she liked tiny dicks, but I never called her out on it.

/cause asian guys have dicks that are small, get it?
//she's getting married to an asian dude in three weeks
 
2012-02-06 01:08:16 AM  
If all you had to eat were baby carrots and rice cakes, would you be hungry?
 
2012-02-06 01:11:06 AM  
If Japanese porn is in any way representitive of the way they have sex, it's easy to see why.

Smooth, is not in their vocabulary.
It's the clumsiest most mysogonistic thing you'll ever get the see, and the men act like fat uber-nerd middle school students seeing a naked girl for the first time, as they handle the breasts like they're trying to juice a grapefruit.

They all remind me of this guy.
tamaramanor.files.wordpress.com
Oh boy! A naked girl!
Wait till I tell the guys in my guild about this!
 
2012-02-06 01:30:01 AM  
I'm not too adept to Japanese culture, but I have friends that are, and it seems to be a collaboration of a number of different bad societal problems all coming together. The Under 30 crowd in Japan today has been programmed to have completely unrealistic expectations about women and relationships due to the way they're portrayed in popular media over there. Combine this with the fact that A. Asians tend to be naturally shy and B. Prostitution is rampant and inexpensive and copious amounts of aberrant pornography make it much easier for men to spend all day playing video games and occasionally dropping a couple thousand yen on a hooker or buying some tentacle rape porn or soiled underwear from the vending machine, much easier than actually going out and meeting people, establishing a relationship, and growing up into an adult.

This is actually one of the few reasons I don't advocate the legalization of prostitution in this country. If you don't actually have to work to get the vagina and can just buy it, then what's the motivation to actually work on becoming less of a socially awkward moron who spends all day playing WoW and sewing Cosplay costumes? We've already got an entire generation of basement dwellers, why eliminate the last motivation they might have to leave mom's house and actually become functioning members of society?
 
2012-02-06 01:41:42 AM  

spman: This is actually one of the few reasons I don't advocate the legalization of prostitution in this country. If you don't actually have to work to get the vagina and can just buy it, then what's the motivation to actually work on becoming less of a socially awkward moron who spends all day playing WoW and sewing Cosplay costumes? We've already got an entire generation of basement dwellers, why eliminate the last motivation they might have to leave mom's house and actually become functioning members of society?


How are they going to afford a hooker if they never leave their mom's basement?

And what costumes did Ancient Romans sew before they bought their hookers?
 
2012-02-06 01:50:12 AM  
Just because you dwell in your moms basement doesn't mean you don't make money selling your Warcraft Gold or whatever, or your minimum wage job at Blockbuster which is just an extension of mom's basement.
 
2012-02-06 01:50:41 AM  

spman: This is actually one of the few reasons I don't advocate the legalization of prostitution in this country. If you don't actually have to work to get the vagina and can just buy it, then what's the motivation to actually work on becoming less of a socially awkward moron who spends all day playing WoW and sewing Cosplay costumes?


You can already just buy vagina legally. You can get vagina for free, with virtually no effort.
 
2012-02-06 01:55:20 AM  
And the Rome comparison is apples and oranges. I'd be all for it if it weren't for all these losers out there that would use it as a substitute for esablishing normal stable social relationships which is what would end up happening and the effects of which are evident just based on what's going on in Japan right now. Granted, that's far from their only problem, but it's a contributing factor.
 
2012-02-06 02:01:13 AM  

SchlingFocker: spman: This is actually one of the few reasons I don't advocate the legalization of prostitution in this country. If you don't actually have to work to get the vagina and can just buy it, then what's the motivation to actually work on becoming less of a socially awkward moron who spends all day playing WoW and sewing Cosplay costumes?

You can already just buy vagina legally. You can get vagina for free, with virtually no effort.


Well yeah, there's always the street walkers that have every STD you can name, the very sight of whom makes you throw up in your mouth, but that's a limited specialized market. And if you're the type who looks loke Harry Knowles, I don't care if you're part owner of Facebook, your hopes of getting vagina for free are zero.
 
2012-02-06 02:05:39 AM  
Judging by the video, people are still making the ridiculous connection between having sex (or wanting to have sex) and having kids. In the age of contraception, there's no connection. You can want sex, and not want to have kids. And you can want to have kids, and put up with the sex as a means to an end. It's possible that both men and women there are looking at relationships and not seeing the benefit, and may even be looking long term and seeing marriage and parenting as not worth it either. This isn't a case of "if I only had the money, I'd have kids." It's "being in a relationship is a sacrifice, having kids is a sacrifice, and neither seem like they'd be fulfilling to me long-term." You can't bribe your way out of that.

You all are probably going to hate this analogy, but relationships (and you can apply this to parenting as well) are like getting a newspaper subscription. Each paper is going to give you a balance of things, good and bad (and ambivalent). So maybe the sports section is awesome, but the classifieds are weak. The editorials are ok, and the stories are pretty generic, no better or worse than other papers. But the writers may change, and the price is probably going to go up. Oh, and it's possible that the newspaper will cancel your contract, but you still have to keep paying for it. Now, ideally, you didn't sign up for a lifetime subscription accidentally, but that's not impossible. So there's your relationship. Maybe the sex is good, the conversation is bad, and the day to day life would be meh.

Ok, but now the internet comes along. Now, you can get your sports, your news, your classifieds, all from sources you think are best (or at least best suited to you). And best of all, they're cheaper than a newspaper subscription, and you can cancel without significant penalty at pretty much any time. You really have to wonder if a newspaper subscription is worth it. Parallels here: relationships are social outlets, you can socialize outside of romantic relationships. Sex? You can probably find sex (not that it was guaranteed in the relationship, anyway). And if not, there's porn and toys. Not the same, but better than nothing. Intimacy? There are probably ways of getting that as well, and it really depends on exactly how much you need. Companionship? Affection? You can probably get some of that from a pet. The parenting aspect is a bit trickier, but if you're doing it the socially sanctioned way, you're buying that newspaper subscription with an eye towards that one "feature" section. You then have to ask yourself if it's worth the subscription cost.

I'm not suggesting that romantic relationships/marriage/parenting is wrong for everyone, just that it's no longer an unavoidable path, nor the only path, nor always the best path for an individual. And we live in an age in which we can look at the other paths (or chart our own) and choose accordingly.
 
2012-02-06 02:40:42 AM  
I blame the men and the women equally.

The Japanese men want a woman like their mother: a housewife who takes care of all the non-work business, keeps food on the table with his money, and generally does all the housework. Think Judy Cleaver with black hair and a flat chest.

However, women over here WANT THE SAME THING. Only from their perspective, they want to get married and shiat out kids as soon as humanly possible. But they can only do it with a man who makes enough money to support her and all of expensive habits because as a culture having a baby or three is a career killer. Also, since it's known all women want to have kids and stop working, any woman who doesn't fit the pattern will be put into the square peg anyway and kept from promotions because they know as soon as she can become a mom she's gone pecan.

So what you've got is a rapacious race of wanna be stay home moms and a hopeful crop of mama's boys in an economy where only 25% of the people or less can afford to live the "dream" as it were. So that means the singles scene is wildly disappointing for anyone looking for lasting relationships because you butt heads constantly. She wants your money, you want her to wash your dirty undies, and you're both poor anyway and you have some serious problems.

There's no one factor to any of this, either. I'm simplifying grossly. You could easily write a PhD worthy thesis on this subject and I should know because my friend did just that.
 
2012-02-06 02:49:03 AM  

The Incredible Sexual Egg: What the hell is wrong with that country


You haven't been paying attention.

HINT:

www.tonyrogers.com
 
2012-02-06 02:52:03 AM  

spman: Prostitution is rampant and inexpensive and copious amounts of aberrant pornography make it much easier for men to spend all day playing video games and occasionally dropping a couple thousand yen on a hooker or buying some tentacle rape porn or soiled underwear from the vending machine, much easier than actually going out and meeting people, establishing a relationship, and growing up into an adult.



...So what's the problem?
 
2012-02-06 03:28:34 AM  

spman: Well yeah, there's always the street walkers that have every STD you can name, the very sight of whom makes you throw up in your mouth, but that's a limited specialized market. And if you're the type who looks loke Harry Knowles, I don't care if you're part owner of Facebook, your hopes of getting vagina for free are zero.


You don't have to be a socially responsible or productive person to get laid.

The ability to get laid has pretty much zero to do with your societal contribution. If it did, poor white, brown, and black trash in America wouldn't be breeding like freaking rabbits.
 
2012-02-06 03:34:31 AM  

doglover: There's no one factor to any of this, either. I'm simplifying grossly. You could easily write a PhD worthy thesis on this subject and I should know because my friend did just that.


Email in profile if you're willing to send the title/author/journal (or with your friend's consent, the whole dissertation). I'm kinda bouncing around the idea of doing a post-doc in Japan or Italy on a topic along the same lines (within Social Psychology).

For those wondering "Why Italy?" it has a similar (though not exactly the same) kind of profile as Japan. Sub-1.5 fertility rate, men live at home until their 30s and expect their future wife to be their new mommy, and women are not thrilled at the prospect. Plus, nearby Germany and Spain have a similar situation.
 
2012-02-06 03:49:51 AM  

RodneyToady: Email in profile if you're willing to send the title/author/journal (or with your friend's consent, the whole dissertation). I'm kinda bouncing around the idea of doing a post-doc in Japan or Italy on a topic along the same lines (within Social Psychology).


Technically he did his doctorate on Otaku culture. But if you want to talk about people who aren't gettin' laid...
 
2012-02-06 04:10:44 AM  

TommyymmoT: If Japanese porn is in any way representitive of the way they have sex, it's easy to see why.

Smooth, is not in their vocabulary.
It's the clumsiest most mysogonistic thing you'll ever get the see, and the men act like fat uber-nerd middle school students seeing a naked girl for the first time, as they handle the breasts like they're trying to juice a grapefruit.


Even in the main stream Japanese R-rated movies I've seen, the sex is usually all weird with nothing happening that I could imagine a normal woman enjoying. Instant play Cold Fish on Netflix. All the sex is either rape, or violent towards the women. The main character has large breasts, and both male characters treated those things like they were trying to tear them off rather than give any pleasure.

Between the weird sex in porn and weird sex in movies, I wouldn't at all be surprised if you've got a whole generation growing up that has some seriously weird notions about how to treat the female body and who think sex should leave the woman traumatized.

/And yes, I fully realize porn and imported movies might be giving me a non-representative view of Japanese sexuality.
 
2012-02-06 04:59:04 AM  
Does this explain why they seem to be crying every time they have sex?
 
2012-02-06 05:02:23 AM  

real_headhoncho: Does this explain why they seem to be crying every time they have sex?


They only do that in the movies.

Real women here can like sex as much as the next girl, and a lot of the guys know how to please them. But it's a real pain in the ass to meet the emotional obligations of a relationship because both sides want to have their cake and eat it too.
 
2012-02-06 05:23:50 AM  

doglover: Real women here can like sex as much as the next girl, and a lot of the guys know how to please them. But it's a real pain in the ass to meet the emotional obligations of a relationship because both sides want to have their cake and eat it too.


That is what 69's are for.

BOOOYAAAAAA!
 
2012-02-06 06:01:14 AM  
Watch Japanese porn and the answer is clear. Nearly all Japanese genitalia is pixelated. And until scientists can come up with a cure for this condition is it any wonder that so many young Japanese people are turned off by the idea of sex? I mean, seriously, it must really hurt like hell with all the sharp corners down there!
 
2012-02-06 06:04:39 AM  
Tiny dicks, the dudes have tiny farking dicks. There's your problem.
 
Skr
2012-02-06 06:05:06 AM  
Does this mean a shortage of Japanese births in the coming years as well? Or is this more of a "I don't like sex for my own reasons, but I will eventually fulfill my obligation to my parents - I'll marry and have children."

Yes I did read the article but this could also be a culture shift towards having children later in life instead of in the teenage / early twenties. A shift like that would cause a hiccup in population growth but I think it would eventually come closer to evening out . (minus losses for missed child bearing years and lowering maximum amount of children possible.)
 
2012-02-06 06:05:29 AM  

real_headhoncho: doglover: Real women here can like sex as much as the next girl, and a lot of the guys know how to please them. But it's a real pain in the ass to meet the emotional obligations of a relationship because both sides want to have their cake and eat it too.

That is what 69's are for.

BOOOYAAAAAA!


Mmmm, 69 cake.
 
2012-02-06 06:07:37 AM  

m3000: The Incredible Sexual Egg: What the hell is wrong with that country

Considering they have female only subway cars because men keep gropiing women, and it's a hyper sexualized culture that treats women like children, it's probably a lifetime of sexual mistreatment that turns them off to sex.

Treat women with respect and they enjoy sex more. Who would have thunk it???


Or they could just be happy making some sammichs.

Seriously. Rape - it's like saying hello in Japan. All they're doing is setting up a little foreplay for the national pastime.
 
2012-02-06 06:07:44 AM  
Am I the only one having a bit of cognitive dissonance with the concept of *people who post on Fark* talking about all the problems that people face in getting a satisfying relationsh...

Actually never mind, that maked perfect sense.
 
2012-02-06 06:08:33 AM  

stratagos: Am I the only one having a bit of cognitive dissonance with the concept of *people who post on Fark* talking about all the problems that people face in getting a satisfying relationsh...

Actually never mind, that maked perfect sense.


Unlike my comment. Damn you, autocorrect
 
2012-02-06 06:12:49 AM  
Japanese girls are weird in the sack, and not necessarily in a good way. Also, terrible kissers.

/and sharp knees
 
2012-02-06 06:19:34 AM  
Both interviews they did with the uninterested stressed the importance of being able to do what they wanted and not being willing to change their lifestyle or habits to accommodate another. I'm not a psychiatrist but doesn't that sound a bit narcissistic and wouldn't that pretty much quash the possibility of successful relationships?
 
2012-02-06 06:21:26 AM  
Meh. I don't see the big deal. In my own studies, I've determined that 100% of women would be averse to sex with me.

/i638.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-06 06:21:27 AM  
Of course, this just means the acceleration of the creation of human-looking robots that we can have sex with.
 
2012-02-06 06:21:45 AM  

bighasbeen: "Building a relationship seems like too much effort. To get her to like me and for me to like her... I'd have to give up everything I do at the weekend for her. I don't want to do that."

It sounds like an entire country is tired of her shiat.


yep, good to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.
 
2012-02-06 06:22:40 AM  

m3000: The Incredible Sexual Egg: What the hell is wrong with that country

Considering they have female only subway cars because men keep gropiing women, and it's a hyper sexualized culture that treats women like children, it's probably a lifetime of sexual mistreatment that turns them off to sex.

Treat women with respect and they enjoy sex more. Who would have thunk it???


That there sounds like some of that librul, socialist garbage they keep talking bout down at the moose lodge.
 
2012-02-06 06:24:28 AM  

doglover: RodneyToady: Email in profile if you're willing to send the title/author/journal (or with your friend's consent, the whole dissertation). I'm kinda bouncing around the idea of doing a post-doc in Japan or Italy on a topic along the same lines (within Social Psychology).

Technically he did his doctorate on Otaku culture. But if you want to talk about people who aren't gettin' laid...


Otaku Culture... i would really like to read that... EIP if it's not to much trouble.
 
2012-02-06 06:29:45 AM  
I wouldn't be that excited about sex either if people kept sticking ocean life in my cooch.
 
2012-02-06 06:30:33 AM  

Skr: Does this mean a shortage of Japanese births in the coming years as well? Or is this more of a "I don't like sex for my own reasons, but I will eventually fulfill my obligation to my parents - I'll marry and have children."

Yes I did read the article but this could also be a culture shift towards having children later in life instead of in the teenage / early twenties. A shift like that would cause a hiccup in population growth but I think it would eventually come closer to evening out . (minus losses for missed child bearing years and lowering maximum amount of children possible.)


Assuming this worked: Japanese birthrate 1960-2009 (pops). It's been sub-2.0 from the 1980s, and sub-1.5 since the early 90s. I can only imagine that to go along with the people having 2 kids and the ones having 1, there's a decent group having 3+ and a bunch having zero. So to answer your question, it's probably difficult to say. There are probably five or six factors going on at one time. An increasing trend towards longer education; an increase in technology that allows for more entertainment and virtual social interaction; well over a decade of economic stagnation with no prospects of improving; changing cultural norms and values; improved contraception; yadda yadda.

And if you want to take a step back further, this is a common trend in most industrialized nations. Hard to say where it will lead at this point.
 
2012-02-06 06:30:58 AM  
Bisphenol A for the win!
 
2012-02-06 06:34:27 AM  

Natsumi: doglover: RodneyToady: Email in profile if you're willing to send the title/author/journal (or with your friend's consent, the whole dissertation). I'm kinda bouncing around the idea of doing a post-doc in Japan or Italy on a topic along the same lines (within Social Psychology).

Technically he did his doctorate on Otaku culture. But if you want to talk about people who aren't gettin' laid...

Otaku Culture... i would really like to read that... EIP if it's not to much trouble.


I'll do you one better. He wrote the Otaku Encyclopedia Link (new window). It's about all the shiat in Akiba that's weird. New book coming out soonish on the interviews Otaku themselves.

But not so much about the sex. Quite the opposite. I've often been told how many things, like the maid cafes, are a benign copy of Japan's darker side. There's very little sex going on in Akiba.
 
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